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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 14:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone around? | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | \o | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Looked pretty empty in the #openstack-nova channel this morning, so let's give people a few more minutes | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | well, let's get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Master is now open for Ocata | 14:03 |
| edleafe | as we cut RC1 last week | 14:03 |
| * bauzas waves late | 14:03 | |
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| edleafe | Is there anything we need to be looking at now? | 14:03 |
| * edleafe realizes we are still working on Newton, too | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | ok, moving on | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | Any release-blocking bugs to discuss? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | nothing I know | 14:05 |
| edleafe | bauzas: ok, thanks | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1622538 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622538 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Wrong "can_host" field of compute node resource providers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:05 |
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| Yingxin | not sure why it is -2ed.. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: is that potentially release-blocking? | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | no | 14:06 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: that's something we agreed to not merge by Newton | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: dan said probably not even in ocata | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: also, dansmith's comment suggests that we may be chaning the whole 'can_host' approach | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | changing | 14:07 |
| edleafe | let | 14:07 |
| edleafe | oops | 14:07 |
| edleafe | let's move on | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | We have two open topics | 14:07 |
| edleafe | First is summit discussion topics | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Any thoughts on this yet? | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | OK, let's push that to a later meeting | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Next is workload sharing | 14:09 |
| edleafe | I wrote a thing with some ideas: | 14:09 |
| edleafe | #link https://blog.leafe.com/pair-development/ | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | cdent isn't around, but he gave me very positive feedback on the notion | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | I tend to disagree :) | 14:10 |
| edleafe | I'd like to have people think about it | 14:10 |
| edleafe | We can discuss in more depth at the summit | 14:10 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I'm shocked! :) | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | yeah, I'm not surprised you'd be shocked :p | 14:11 |
| bauzas | that's something I'd like rather to discuss during the retrospective | 14:11 |
| bauzas | but tl;dr | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I like the idea of being able to semi-continuously make progress on something, for sure. | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: I added it to the retrospective page | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I hate pair programming, but this isn't that :) | 14:12 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-retrospective | 14:12 |
| bauzas | I think the problem is not related to a methodology, rather that the placement effort was difficult to have all the changes being merged for only one cycle | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | for example, we don't have this problem with cellsv2 IMHO | 14:12 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: yeah, I rarely found anyone who matched my focus | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: but this isn't new this cycle | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: what particular problem are you talking about? | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: that cellsv2 doesn't have? | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | when we rush for freeze, people help me when I sleep a lot, I got a lot of help on update the patch in the night, and catch up the deadline :) | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: I just think that all the needed changes for Newton were just too huge for only one cycle | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: there is a definite advantage in different timezones, but there should ideally be enough overlap for 1:1 communication | 14:14 |
| bauzas | but again, it seems to be a retrospective discussion | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | yea | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I'm not a fan of long release cycles (or releases at all, frankly) | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed | 14:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I just think that 6 months for what we wanted to merge was too shorty | 14:15 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that ship sailed long ago. I never wanted releases like we have | 14:15 |
| edleafe | but that's way off-topic | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | given of course the other priorities and reviews | 14:15 |
| edleafe | so let's all contribute our experiences to the Newton retrospective page | 14:15 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I think we could have gotten a lot more done in Newton had I had the time to focus on placement API and not been pulled away for endless management bullshit ;) | 14:16 |
| bauzas | agreee to disagree :) | 14:16 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that's definitely part of the problem | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah :( | 14:16 |
| edleafe | critical path management | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | also, summer vacations always play a part in things this time of year | 14:16 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: winter holidays, too | 14:17 |
| edleafe | having more coverage will help alleviate that, IMO | 14:17 |
| edleafe | Anyway, it's something for us to think about | 14:18 |
| edleafe | and unless anyone has any other open topics... | 14:18 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 14:18:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-19-14.00.html | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-19-14.00.txt | 14:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-19-14.00.log.html | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Thanks, everyone! | 14:18 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:18 |
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| sindhu | n | 14:54 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 15:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:00 |
| korzen | hello | 15:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:00 |
| sindhu | hello | 15:00 |
| dasanind_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| johndperkins | o/ hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | stable/newton is branched now, master is open for Ocata development | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | we should be able to land more ovo related patches now | 15:02 |
| electrocucaracha | yeah | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | now that stable/newton is created and the 'old' side of the grenade job has all the needed linuxbridge fixes, we can restart work on -linuxbridge partial grenade job | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | I will reach out to folks responsible for that part in next weeks | 15:04 |
| korzen | is stable/newton set as lates stable in grenade now? | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: well that's something to check actually. you think it's still mitaka? we may then need to wait for the switch to happen | 15:04 |
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| korzen | I've heard that is is still mitaka | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I honestly lack details about when grenade job switches to a newer stable branch, I thought (probably wrongly) it's automatic | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | ok good to know :) | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | now that master is open for Ocata, I want us to get model moving patches in quick | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I will check those this week, so if you think you have some patches of those that need more love and are not ready to land, please respin and polish | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | once we move all models, the review focus will switch to actual objects. I noticed we have quite some, and some folks are kind enough to review those (thanks korzen!). | 15:07 |
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| electrocucaracha | I tried to rebase some of them(relocate patches) during the morning, | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha++ | 15:07 |
| korzen | I'm trying to rebase the network object but got stuck in UT rework | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | atm I believe it's a matter of review attention to make progress in this topic, I will fulfil my part. hopefully second +2s won't wait. | 15:08 |
| korzen | it is and nightmare | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: if it takes too much of your time, you may upload a WIP and I can take a look at missing bits. | 15:09 |
| * dasm is late... o/ | 15:09 | |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha also noticed some issues with ports object today. | 15:09 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: is network depending on port ovo? | 15:09 |
| korzen | yes | 15:09 |
| korzen | it is kind of stacked | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I would like us to stick to procedure where we don't respin patches but add fixes on top, so that the author have a chance to look at the diff before applying it | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | we had some wrong changes applied in the past (for db_obj patch), so it's better to check first | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | reverting is sometimes not as easy. | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: are we in agreement here? | 15:11 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: sure | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok cool. | 15:12 |
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| korzen | UT framework for objects is getting more and more complicated, now if we have some exception that for example some object do not have relationship defined, it is screwing the tests | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | people who worked on new objects lately, do you have any specific issues to raise here? | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, I wanted to look at refactoring the test suite a bit, but I first wanted to land ports and networks not to introduce more mess | 15:13 |
| korzen | network IS introducing real mess :) | 15:13 |
| korzen | in UT | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | korzen: some test cases may also use some details on failure. | 15:13 |
| ndahiwade | korzen:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452/.Could you answer this? | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | ndahiwade: what's the concern there? I think you identified the direction correctly. | 15:15 |
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| korzen | I guess you can cherry pick ontop on network patch | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | ndahiwade: you should work on integrating it, and hopefully we land network object quick so that you can respin the patch to integrate it into the object too. | 15:15 |
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| dasanind_ | ihrachys: Queries for the objects VXlan, Gre, Genevetype allocation/endpoints uses session there is no context in these functions. I am introducing context in the apis for these. Is that teh correct approach? | 15:16 |
| ndahiwade | korzen:ihrachys:Okay thanks,should i wait for the Network patch merge conflicts to be resolved before cherry-picking? | 15:16 |
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| manjeets | o/ | 15:16 |
| korzen | ndahiwade, I will push the patch in a second | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: generally yes, and I think we discussed that in one of prev meetings. | 15:17 |
| ndahiwade | korzen:Thanks | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: tl;dr as long as it's not a real public api, it should be fine to change signatures. | 15:17 |
| sindhu | ihrachys: I used the context.get_admin_context() https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368499/3/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_flat.py | 15:17 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: Thanks will do that then | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | sindhu: I don't think THAT is correct | 15:18 |
| sindhu | ihrachys: is it ok to do that? | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | sindhu: we should not allow users to create any random objects as admin | 15:18 |
| sindhu | ihrachys: hmm I knew it would be a problem. Will change that :) thank u | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | sindhu: I would need to look at the code closely, but seems wrong. the question is, how would you pull in the current context from there? | 15:19 |
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| sindhu | ihrachys: Ah okay ... !! | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | sindhu: that's a tough one, let's discuss details in the patch once I get to it | 15:21 |
| sindhu | ihrachys: sure | 15:22 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, does test_filtering_by_fields() in test_base correctly handle list fields? I had to add a condition to make the unit test pass here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356766/22/neutron/tests/unit/objects/test_base.py@1226 | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | sshank: it's not. I already have that kind of change in some other patch :) we probably should have landed it separately. | 15:22 |
| korzen | sshank, yes, it is correct | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | sshank: but for now it's fine you maintain it locally | 15:23 |
| korzen | sshank, I mean that this is correct approach but it is also included in other patch | 15:23 |
| sshank | Okay. I can rebase once the other gets merged. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:24 |
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| manjeets | since master is open for c-1 would relocation patches now be accepted ? | 15:24 |
| korzen | when talking about filtering by fields, I'm getting error when trying to filter by synthetic field 'segments' for network object | 15:24 |
| korzen | it seems like segments are now generated in UT by default | 15:24 |
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| korzen | so it is populated in db_objs | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | korzen: you think we will be able to solve it in this audience? :) | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yes, we discussed that above | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I mean not the audience but venue | 15:25 |
| korzen | I'm just asking, maybe someone had idea why it is now happening ;) | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | ok, not me | 15:26 |
| korzen | ok, I will push the code with workarounds | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | yeap. once it's up and we see how it fails, I may give more reasonable suggestions ;) | 15:27 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: lemme now when you have that ready to take a look | 15:27 |
| ndahiwade | korzen:I was facing the same error in NetworkDhcpAgentBinding UT for dhcpagent as synthetic fields | 15:28 |
| manjeets | korzen I am issues with type of synthetic fields type | 15:28 |
| manjeets | for quotas | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so re topic, I don't have any upgrade specific patches in the queue. | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | we probably need to spin up a patch that forbids contract migrations this cycle | 15:29 |
| manjeets | when i create object it shows field type as list but when i do get_object its show <?> | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | as per the plan tentatively set in Cork | 15:29 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: do we have some priorities for ocata release as we have for newton? | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yes?.. switching the whole code to OVO :) | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: + making it possible to evolve the db without --contract | 15:30 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: so basically, it's as much as we can hehehe | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you grasp the idea | 15:30 |
| * electrocucaracha challenge accepted | 15:30 | |
| ndahiwade | manjeets:I was facing the exact same error for synthetic fields | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: but first, model moves, then objects with adoption, in parallel we will look at forbidding contraction | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | and supporting folks in evolving db for their respective features | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | without the latter, the plan of no contraction will not happen | 15:31 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: this is only in the neutron scope right, without covering stadium projects | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | no, just neutron repo so far. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | we may look at *aas maybe, but I would suggest we don't for the first phase | 15:32 |
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| manjeets | ihrachys, to forbid contract is downgrade option would be removed ? | 15:32 |
| manjeets | from neutron db-manage | 15:32 |
| korzen | ihrachys, it would be nice to have spec for no API downtime by the summit | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: downgrade was removed like several cycles ago | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | korzen: makes sense, let me put that in my high prio list :) | 15:33 |
| manjeets | ok so it is already not there what else is needed to forbid downgrade ? | 15:33 |
| manjeets | contract I mean | 15:33 |
| korzen | ihrachys, if you need any help, let me know | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: I don't follow, sorry. downgrade is a feature that allows you to go back in time for db schema | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: it has nothing to do with no-downtime upgrade | 15:34 |
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| manjeets | ok contract migration is which removing something from schema | 15:34 |
| manjeets | i related it with downgrade | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: as for what's needed, technically nothing, but we need object facades so that people can evolve schema | 15:35 |
| manjeets | got it now | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: so every time people will come up with an idea of db schema change, we need to provide them with tools (facade) and ideas on how to make it the new way | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:36 | |
| ihrachys | any more topics to cover? | 15:36 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, i think i rebased your dns objects on top of your patch | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | we don't have the summit etherpad started yet. we may need to think in advance if we need community attention to any work we track there. | 15:37 |
| manjeets | I guess a unit test in ports patch is messing up | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: ack. we need to land those two bits (ports and networks) asap, I will talk to armax next time we have a session with him | 15:37 |
| korzen | manjeets, which one? | 15:37 |
| manjeets | korzen, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334695/ | 15:38 |
| manjeets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369744/ | 15:38 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, not related to upgrades but a point would virtual attendance work for design summit this time ? | 15:39 |
| korzen | manjeets, you need to rebase to PS30 | 15:39 |
| korzen | port patch PS30 | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: I don't think so. it never worked. | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: hell, it doesn't even work if you are in the room but sit far from the front... | 15:40 |
| korzen | ihrachys, true | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: it's usually people shouting 'please use the mic' from the back | 15:40 |
| manjeets | i wonder how it works for other projects | 15:40 |
| korzen | I know that midcycles for cinder are available online | 15:40 |
| manjeets | ironic too | 15:40 |
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| korzen | but nova, neutron is too much community | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, midcycles could in theory work because of smaller room and all. but design summits? nope, I don't see it working in any case. | 15:41 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: we noticed that IPAvailabilityRange model was removed during newton release, are you aware of others? | 15:42 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, I had even patch with OVO and adoption ready for it :P | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: oh right, it's not used anymore | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: the only reason it was there is to detect collisions, and I believe it's now in solved some other way | 15:43 |
| korzen | I gues it is done in netaddr lib | 15:43 |
| korzen | IPRange or smth | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: yes, that's my concern... having that kind of effort ending in abandoned changes | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: unless you track all efforts in neutron, you can't know about everytihng | 15:44 |
| korzen | unless you touch it with a stick, nobody will tell you it is outdated | 15:45 |
| korzen | or when you break smth :) | 15:45 |
| electrocucaracha | I personally like the biweekly report that korzen was sending | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: up to prepare it? | 15:47 |
| manjeets | electrocucaracha, to mailing list ?? | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | I think it's just that some people were pulled into 'other stuff' (like releasing newton), so there was no one to prepare it | 15:47 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I can do my best, I was thinking to include some of the changes that we're planning to do | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ack, let's do it this way - you will write up something in etherpad, then ask someone to review it, and sen | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | *send | 15:48 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | ok I will wait for your ping ;) | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | ok, any more topics to cover, or we close the meeting? | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | ok thanks everyone for joining | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:49 | |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 15:49:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-19-15.00.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-19-15.00.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-19-15.00.log.html | 15:49 |
| korzen | thanks | 15:49 |
| sshank | Thank you. | 15:50 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks | 15:50 |
| sindhu | thanks | 15:50 |
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| dasanind_ | Thanks | 15:50 |
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| ndahiwade | Thanks | 15:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:00 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi. | 16:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | o/ (partial) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi there, how's folks doing? | 16:01 |
| * ihrachys is alive it seems | 16:01 | |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:01 |
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| johnsom | Good | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | good good :) | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
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| ihrachys | I don't have a red one, but I wanted to clarify something | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | whats up | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | so neutron has that bug assigned: | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing here | 16:02 |
| osh | No red flags from murano | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1602081 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1602081 in neutron "Use oslo.context's policy dict" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jamie Lennox (jamielennox) | 16:02 |
| bknudson | nothing for keystone that I know of. | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | and I don't know how to determine if more work to do there | 16:02 |
| bknudson | keystone would like to get all the projects using oslo.context | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | description seems rather generic | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, osh thx | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | bknudson: we do use it for some time. it's about something more specific it seems | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | ohh wait, I see a patch uploaded several days ago that claims to close it | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | so I am slow on reading the bug comments... | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | sorry, I guess I need to get back to that patch then, sorry for the waste of time | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | np, its a lot of info in that bu :-P | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | i nearly just got finished reading it, ha | 16:05 |
| bknudson | thanks for looking at it! | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, so no red flags otherwise, that's cool | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | so just fyi, let's hold off on any releases until the newton release (just incase people are getting nervous about releasing) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, thats what we've been doing before right, just wanting to make sure :) | 16:08 |
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| dims | yep | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | which is btw, 'The Newton coordinated release will happen on October 6th, 2016.' | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | so don't get to nervous folks, releases will happen :) | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Summit and specs | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit and specs (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:10 | |
| harlowja_at_home | just a reminder also for folks | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-summit-planning | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | add your ideas :) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll likely go throw a bunch up this week | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | others are more than welcome to do the same :) | 16:11 |
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| bknudson | I still have to get stuff done from the last summit. | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | me to, lol | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | the work never ends, ha :-P | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | also, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103560.html | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'Oslo: 3fb 5wr cm' | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so we have pretty much the same layout as last time | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | and this time a 'cm: Friday afternoon contributors meetup' | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | which we can use to hang out or work on things or discuss oslo stuff :) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | or reminisce | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews needing review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| harlowja_at_home | any reviews folks want to highlight so that other folks can try to look at them? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | bring your reviews, any reviews, 2for1 | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | i've got one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366645/ :-P | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | people sure are shy today, lol | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, stop being so shy | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:19 |
| johnsom | Everyone is still reminiscing... | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | i guess so | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:20 | |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, that's all i had :-P | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, you'll be in barcelona ? | 16:21 |
| * jungleboyj is sorry I am late again. *Sigh* | 16:21 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, how goes it | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Keep getting busy with other things and forgetting. | 16:21 |
| johnsom | Yes Sir | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cinder seems ok, http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master/8248a8c/console.html.gz#_2016-09-16_06_09_01_689034 was the only recent thing i saw | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | but looks unrelated | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, cool, jimbaker from rackspace also going to be there, probably will have some taskflow chit/chats u might be interested in | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Yeah, I am not aware of any issues. We are just busy trying to get to RC and get things tested. | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup :) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | and/or reminiscing | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:22 |
| johnsom | harlowja_at_home Ok, sounds good. Keep me in the loop. | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | aka, the run to RC | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, cool | 16:23 |
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| johnsom | A lot of the networking talks didn't get approved this year, including our LBaaS team talk, so I have more free time at this Summit and will be hanging out in the dev area. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | well u can come to | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16217/live-from-oslo | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | just remembered we have that :-P | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | probably should start throwing together what we are going to talk about soon in that :) | 16:24 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | sounds like a good topic for next week :-P | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-live-from-oslo | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok created that | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people want to throw ideas for that session on there, that's cool :) | 16:25 |
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| * harlowja_at_home ok just wrote my current idears on there | 16:28 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, anything else from folks? | 16:29 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home : not shy at all, just had to step away :) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:30 |
| dims | nothing else from me :) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, same here, ha | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright best of luck for folks for RC and work related to that | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people hit any issues #openstack-oslo as usual :) | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thanks for showing up and keeping things pretty quiet around RC time (+100 for that, ha) | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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| bknudson | the pre-release testing is working well | 16:31 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 16:31:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-19-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-19-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-19-16.00.log.html | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, nice | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | it is | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | tis it is | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, bbiab | 16:33 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 20:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
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| * redrobot checks the time | 20:01 | |
| kfarr_ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:02 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:02 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | not a whole lot of barbicaneers here today | 20:02 |
| redrobot | no matter we'll still have an awesome meeting | 20:03 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| redrobot | let's get started | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic Newton RC1 Status | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | RC1 was released last week | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103862.html | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | If we don't find any critical bugs, then this will end up being the Newton final release | 20:04 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Is anyone aware of any critical bugs thus far? | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I'll take that as a no | 20:06 |
| redrobot | well we still have this week and next to re-spin an RC if needed | 20:07 |
| redrobot | so keep an eye out for any bugs that may require a new RC | 20:07 |
| redrobot | also | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #info barbican master is now tracking Ocata | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Midcycle Action Item Review | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle Action Item Review (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:08 | |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-newton-midcycle-topics | 20:08 |
| redrobot | whose topic is this? | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | I added it | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | I was looking at the midcycle notes to come up with ideas for summit topics and noticed a bunch of action items. | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | i don't know if they have been completed or not. | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | some doc items, some blog posts | 20:09 |
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| * redrobot looks at redrobot action items and realizes he's been slacking off | 20:11 | |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan I don't think much progress has been made on those :-\ | 20:11 |
| redrobot | we did start the installation guide | 20:11 |
| redrobot | but it still needs some work | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan anything in particular you were interested in seeing, or just a general checking on status? | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | just checking. we can keep it as a weekly item until complete or we decide not to them. | 20:14 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan sounds good to me | 20:15 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #topic Barcelona Design Summit Topics | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona Design Summit Topics (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:15 | |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit | 20:15 |
| redrobot | looks like the etherpad is starting to shape up | 20:15 |
| redrobot | please take some time to add topics that you think may be worth discussing in Barcelona | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | hopefully the attendee list will grow some more. anyone else planning on joining? (add name to attendee list) | 20:17 |
| redrobot | I think kfarr_ said she's going for sure | 20:17 |
| redrobot | and hopefully diazjf too, since he's supposed to be doing the hands-on tutorial with us | 20:18 |
| kfarr_ | oh yeah, thanks! Didn't see the attendee list | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #topic Ocata Blueprints | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | as I was mentioning earlier, the master branch is now tracking Ocata, so we should start thinking about ocata blueprints ahead of the summit | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I've got one blueprint up for review already: | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363945/ | 20:21 |
| redrobot | the cliff's notes for the bp: a new deployer-only API to gather usage metrics from the system | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | I think it would be awesome if we can get it reviewed/approved soon instead of waiting until the summit | 20:23 |
| redrobot | anyone else have blueprints submitted for Ocata? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | or old blueprints that need to be moved ? | 20:24 |
| redrobot | alrighty then, moving on | 20:25 |
| redrobot | #topic Container Install with Kolla | 20:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container Install with Kolla (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:25 | |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I'm guessing this one is yours? | 20:25 |
| dave-mccowan | Kolla is an openstack installer that uses containers as a deployment tool. basically it builds docker containers out of openstack services (nova, cinder, keystone, ...) | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | then it deploys those containers across a set of severs, then configures and starts the services. | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | they added barbican during the Newton cycle as part of Kolla's missions to containerize all-the-things. | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | but, they kept the default barbican config | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | which is developer friendly, but not production ready. | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | there are a couple bugs open to turn on authentication and configure a database backend | 20:28 |
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| dave-mccowan | if no one else wants to, i'll write the ansible to make the config updates, but i'd like to collaborate with you all on a good default config | 20:29 |
| redrobot | I'm definitely interested in contributing, but it would have to be an after-hours affair for me | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | I've been tinkering with dockerizing barbican using softhsm as a backend | 20:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | does the in-progress installation guide have some tips for a production config? | 20:30 |
| redrobot | by "production config" you mean something that doesn't use the simple_crypto plugin? | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | not sure. we could brainstorm some ideas. i think it's tough to make something both secure and still turn-key. we can find a good compromise a think. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | one thing is to make it multinode compatible. it can't be local filesystem based, since kolla provides HA across multiple servers. | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | maybe worth having a session in Barcelona to discuss with the Kolla team | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | it's the kolla users that are asking. kolla team is looking to us to recommend a config. | 20:35 |
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| dave-mccowan | but, yea... barcelona sounds good. i've got a placeholder on the etherpad already. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan cool deal | 20:37 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:37 |
| redrobot | #topic PTL Election | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL Election (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:37 | |
| redrobot | PTL self-nomination period is over | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | and our very own dave-mccowan is in the running | 20:38 |
| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/election/tree/candidates/ocata/Barbican | 20:38 |
| redrobot | and since nobody else is running we won't be having a vote this week | 20:38 |
| redrobot | so join me in congratulating our new Ocata PTL! | 20:39 |
| redrobot | It's been a pleasure for me to serve as PTL for 2 years now, and I'm confident that dave-mccowan will do a much better job than I did ;) | 20:39 |
| kfarr_ | Congrats dave-mccowan! | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | Congrats Dave! | 20:40 |
| kfarr_ | redrobot, you did a great job :) | 20:40 |
| redrobot | kfarr_ thanks! :D | 20:40 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks! and thanks redrobot for your service! | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: yep hard to believe 2 years already, went by fast | 20:40 |
| redrobot | woodster_ no kidding! | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | so expect dave-mccowan to run this meeting next week, while I relax with a margarita | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | 10-4. | 20:42 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:42 |
| redrobot | #topic Review Requests | 20:42 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot let me know if i need to do anything to finish Newton. | 20:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Requests (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:42 | |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372060 | 20:42 |
| diazjf | congrats dave-mccowan! | 20:42 |
| redrobot | ^^ not sure who added that reveiw to the agenda, but we should review it | 20:43 |
| redrobot | anyone else have pending reviews that need some reviewing love? | 20:43 |
| redrobot | I wonder if that bug may need an RC respin? | 20:44 |
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| panatl | i added that review | 20:45 |
| panatl | we need to review that ... is related to Lbaas consumer change ... | 20:45 |
| panatl | looks good me .. probably woodster_ can help :) | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | panatl: I'll take a look | 20:46 |
| panatl | thank you woodstre_ :) | 20:46 |
| panatl | woodster_ :) | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:50 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:50 | |
| redrobot | anything else we should talk about in the last 10 minutes of the meeting? | 20:50 |
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| * woodster_ ...margaritas... | 20:54 | |
| redrobot | woodster_ haha, yeah, still margarita weather in SA | 20:54 |
| redrobot | alrighty guys, thanks for coming! | 20:55 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 20:55:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-19-20.00.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-19-20.00.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-19-20.00.log.html | 20:55 |
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| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 21:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi - Who's here for the Product WG meeting? | 21:00 |
| CarolBarrett | you can find the agenda here | 21:01 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#September_19th.2C_2016_Product_Team_Meeting_Agenda | 21:01 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:01 |
| KrishR | hi | 21:02 |
| sgordon | o/ | 21:02 |
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| CarolBarrett | Hi sgordon - thanks for joining! | 21:02 |
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| CarolBarrett | Let's get going | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic 9/26 meeting leadership | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "9/26 meeting leadership (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:03 | |
| CarolBarrett | I'm on vacation next week and won't be able to lead this meeting. Any volunteers to take that on? | 21:03 |
| MeganR | *was lurking | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | If there aren't any volunteers then I'll cancel the meeting | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | cannot commit to run call next week | 21:05 |
| rocky_g | o/ | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we need to cover sdometing next week for summit? | 21:05 |
| shamail | Im out as well. | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | arkady: I don't think there is anything pressing | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | then lets cancel it. | 21:06 |
| MeganR | it might be best to cancel - I won't be able to attend, and sounds as if there are several "key" people out next week (certainly not including myself) | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | sounds good | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Carol to cancel next week's team meeting | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Barcelona Session Planning | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona Session Planning (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:07 | |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN | 21:07 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail submitted our requests for Bof and working session. | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett | We should hear back around 10/3 | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett | We're using the etherpad to start the planning now | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls add your thoughts on agenda items | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett | And +1/-1 topics too | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what about items we droped from midcycle due to only one day duration? | 21:09 |
| shamail | Also, please keep in mind that we requested 3 hours | 21:09 |
| shamail | so realistically, we can probably focus on 2-3 topics | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:09 |
| CarolBarrett | arkady: Pls go ahead and add topics you think we should consider. Time will be tight as always | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | also ocata is short cycle | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | let's be realistic what we can do during it | 21:09 |
| CarolBarrett | how convienent | 21:09 |
| shamail | lol | 21:10 |
| CarolBarrett | good point | 21:10 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 21:10 |
| CarolBarrett | From the roadmap updates, seems like many projects are planning to focus on stabilization for ocata | 21:10 |
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| CarolBarrett | any questions or discussion on this? | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nope - agree | 21:11 |
| CarolBarrett | I think we should lockdown our plan in our meeting on the 10th | 21:11 |
| CarolBarrett | OK - moving on... | 21:12 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic User Stories | 21:12 |
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| CarolBarrett | The focus of this agenda item is to understand Barcelona plans and support needed for each user story | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett | kencjohnston - are you here? | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett | I think Pete is on vacation and Leong is traveling | 21:14 |
| CarolBarrett | Shamail - Can you talk to Capacity Management? | 21:14 |
| shamail | The capacity management user story will not have much to do at this summit except for sharing the updated user story (based on findings from the UX study on quotas) and checking on the status of related items (e.g. shelfed instance accounting, nested quotas, delimiter) | 21:14 |
| shamail | Will essentially firm up user story before summit and monitor whether it is in-line with community needs at summit | 21:14 |
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| CarolBarrett | Sounds good - do you need any help? | 21:14 |
| shamail | I will also try speaking with people to see if others are interested in helping to move it forward (Scientific community has an interest) | 21:15 |
| shamail | Good for now, thanks though CarolBarrett | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett | OK | 21:15 |
| MadhuKashyap | Shamail, I am working on some edits to capacity management based on some NFV requirements. NFV community has an interest. | 21:15 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | When will workflow go from draft to solid? | 21:16 |
| shamail | Thanks MadhuKashyap, I’ll keep an eye out for them and reach out to you if I need to understand anything. | 21:16 |
| MadhuKashyap | It would be good to discuss with NFV community at the summit. | 21:16 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: This story has no resources committed so it can’t move until then | 21:16 |
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| shamail | MadhuKashyap: +1 | 21:16 |
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| MadhuKashyap | Thanks | 21:16 |
| shamail | I’ll email you to see what will be the best way to do that | 21:16 |
| MadhuKashyap | ok. I will also add it to the etherpad. | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. on capacity management can I get a few reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358888/? | 21:17 |
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| MadhuKashyap | working on the reviews. | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett | All sounds good | 21:18 |
| CarolBarrett | KrishR - can you cover fleet management | 21:18 |
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| KrishR | CarolBarrett: I can, though it's gone down in priority in OSIC | 21:19 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | OSIC? | 21:19 |
| CarolBarrett | Why don't you give folks an update on that and the plans for Barcelona | 21:19 |
| sgordon | Arkady_Kanevsky, https://osic.org/ | 21:20 |
| KrishR | now, or later? | 21:20 |
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| CarolBarrett | now pls | 21:20 |
| KrishR | Plan for barcelona is to do a MVP of Inventory with 2-3 audit/remediation workflows | 21:21 |
| KrishR | one of the workflows is the OSA Security Role | 21:21 |
| KrishR | remaining workflows still TBD | 21:21 |
| KrishR | there is a session under Ops Tools on Tue. 10/25 | 21:21 |
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| CarolBarrett | what's an MVP? | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can use a few reviews for fleet management PR - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358781/ ? | 21:22 |
| KrishR | beyond that, I'm a bit out of the loop as Rackspace is doing their own internal planning to decide next steps | 21:22 |
| KrishR | MVP=Minimal Viable Product | 21:22 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks | 21:23 |
| KrishR | i can check with Kenny later this week to get an update from Rackspace | 21:24 |
| CarolBarrett | moving forward, will you continue to lead this team? | 21:24 |
| KrishR | am looking for someone else to step up, until then I'm the lead | 21:24 |
| CarolBarrett | OK, thanks for making sure we get a good hand-off | 21:25 |
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| shamail | +1 | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:25 |
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| rocky_g | +1 | 21:25 |
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| CarolBarrett | Do you need any help with your Summit plans? | 21:26 |
| KrishR | CarolBarrett: was that question for me? | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | Yes | 21:26 |
| KrishR | I wont be at the Summit | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett | Wondering if you need any help with the MVP, etc. | 21:27 |
| KrishR | I'm going to ask Kenny if he can help | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | who is going to present the status of fleet at the summit? | 21:27 |
| KrishR | during the Product WG meeting? | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:28 |
| KrishR | I'm hoping it will be Kenny, otherwise I'll have to dial in | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Kenny? | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:28 |
| CarolBarrett | OK | 21:29 |
| CarolBarrett | Anything else on User Story plans for Barcelona from anyone? | 21:29 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic CPL updates | 21:31 |
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| CarolBarrett | Arkady_kanevsky: Are you ready for Rally update? | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | biggest chunk of work for newton was refactoring plugins | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The goal is for Ocata to split rally into frameowrk and plugins repos | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1plwLpHm4PckQLvQra8yvyWzAyQz2SWsWWzZ36NiyT-A/edit#slide=id.p4 | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | addintion to case scenarios. | 21:33 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Plugins for Magnum, Monasco, Senlin, Watcher | 21:33 |
| rocky_g | that's pretty cool. Much better architecture | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | More cleanup, more scalability | 21:33 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | adding steraming algorithms and finally support for multiple API versions | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The last one is critical for upgrades and microversions support | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | Good! | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For Ocata move to have Rally as a service as part of deployment for multuple distros and vendors | 21:35 |
| shamail | Very nice | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | What does that mean? | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | HA testsing and reliability | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | RaaS? | 21:35 |
| rocky_g | Raas and RAS | 21:35 |
| rocky_g | all inone ;-) | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | LOL | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Rally is part of deployment so you can validate (tempest) before and after upgrade, or new deployments, | 21:36 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | You can have rally service run independent from OpenStack deployments and compare rally results between different deplpoyments | 21:36 |
| CarolBarrett | That sounds like a good benefit | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | both for validation and for prefromance and for specific scenario testing | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can be extended to use not just keystone but other identity management. | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Longer term to be able to test pure kubernetes with or without opentstack deployment. | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Rally is very ambitions project... | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | any other questoins? | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am also talking to them about configuration capture. That is one of the reasons I am proposing separate project to capture SW and HW config. Rally needs it as well as refstack | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Done | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | Will we be able to get data on Rally usage moving forward? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will try. I thought that is part of questionare that fgoundation send out. | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Heidi is in a better position to answer it. I will ping her | 21:41 |
| CarolBarrett | I think they are doing a light survey this time. | 21:41 |
| CarolBarrett | Would be good to know if people actually use Rally to validate their installation... | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will check with Heidi | 21:41 |
| rocky_g | ++ | 21:41 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks | 21:41 |
| CarolBarrett | Anyone else have anything for Arkady? | 21:42 |
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| CarolBarrett | OK - Let's move on.. | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Community Roadmap | 21:43 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail - Can you take this? | 21:43 |
| shamail | Sure | 21:43 |
| shamail | The community roadmap team is making great progress and we have collected the majority of the data needed for this next release | 21:43 |
| shamail | we are waiting confirmation on content from about 3-4 projects and still working to collect data on another 4-5 | 21:44 |
| shamail | We believe we will be in a good condition to review the draft of the roadmap by this Thursday | 21:44 |
| rocky_g | Yay! | 21:45 |
| shamail | We have setup a call at 1700UTC on 9/22, use this link to join if interested: https://zoom.us/j/272384703 | 21:45 |
| shamail | Also, there will be a marketing preview of the Newton release on 9/27 | 21:45 |
| shamail | Do you all have details (sent out to marketing ML) or should I send it to our ML? | 21:46 |
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| MadhuKashyap | Please send it out to the PWG ML. | 21:47 |
| shamail | That’s all I had | 21:47 |
| shamail | Okay MadhuKashyap | 21:47 |
| rocky_g | For the summit presentation of roadmmap, please use my speaker slot for someone who has been working this topic. | 21:47 |
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| shamail | Alright rocky_g, thanks for the update | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | +1 | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +2 | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail, any help needed on any unfihished projects? | 21:48 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky, I think we are good… most projects have assigned owners (just waiting on responses) | 21:49 |
| shamail | On another note, I have two more projects to add | 21:49 |
| shamail | We had to project teams (DragonFlow and Karbor) reach out to us to be included | 21:49 |
| shamail | The more the merrier as long as they were willing to provide the info :) | 21:49 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. can they generate a singel slide for hteir roadmap? | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett | that's good to hear! | 21:49 |
| shamail | Yep, they sent me the data and i’ll build it for them Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We will still need to figure our who will be CPL for them | 21:50 |
| shamail | Agreed CarolBarrett | 21:50 |
| shamail | They don’t need a CPL | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:50 |
| shamail | CPL is only for projects with high adoption and potentially user story dependencies | 21:50 |
| shamail | I should have said don’t need a CPL (yet) | 21:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | will they maintain their roadmap slides? will they be able to participate on our call once in a while to provide updtae? | 21:51 |
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| shamail | They won’t have to Arkady_Kanevsky, we generally do that. If nooone volunteers to pick it up then they will have to reach out to us with the data. | 21:51 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:52 |
| shamail | Roadmap is built on availability of volunteers and adoption data sets the priority | 21:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | I wonder if we should consider setting up a self-service process for projects - all of them...? | 21:52 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:52 |
| shamail | It would be easy to do | 21:52 |
| shamail | That would allow us to actively work with highly adopted projects (if they dont use self-service) but everyone else can opt-in | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | as long as we have template, sample and list of questoins. | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | +1 | 21:53 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to create outreach subteam for new projects | 21:53 |
| shamail | We could then just send out a reminder email on dev ML and things would happen | 21:53 |
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| rocky_g | Sounds good to me | 21:53 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: We can discuss that as a potential summit topic or I can setup a roadmap debrief meeting after the busy season ends | 21:54 |
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| shamail | We can try for that during the next cycle | 21:54 |
| shamail | Great idea | 21:54 |
| rocky_g | We could get the release team to add it to the dev schedule | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | love it | 21:54 |
| CarolBarrett | Pls add it to to the Barcelona planning etherpad so we don't lose the topic | 21:54 |
| shamail | will do | 21:54 |
| CarolBarrett | thanks | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Any other opens? | 21:55 |
| shamail | I’ll be in Seattle next week if anyone happens to be in the area :) | 21:55 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | good luck | 21:56 |
| shamail | I think there is an OpenDayLight event (https://www.opendaylight.org/events/2016-09-27-000000-2016-09-29-000000/opendaylight-summit-2016) | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | Have a good trip! | 21:56 |
| shamail | Im not going for the event but it increases chances of others being there | 21:56 |
| shamail | Thanks CarolBarrett | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | If there's nothing else, we can all have 3 mins back... :) | 21:57 |
| rocky_g | WFM | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye everybody | 21:57 |
| KrishR | :) | 21:57 |
| MeganR | Bye | 21:57 |
| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| rocky_g | Thanks all! | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 21:57:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-09-19-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-09-19-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-09-19-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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