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IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:59 |
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jpena | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 13:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jpena. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
jpena | #topic roll call | 13:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
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toabctl | hi | 13:00 |
jpena | #chair toabctl IgorYozhikov | 13:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl | 13:00 |
dirk | o/ | 13:00 |
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jpena | #chair dirk | 13:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena toabctl | 13:01 |
dirk | thanks | 13:01 |
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jpena | number80 can't attend today, not sure about jruzicka | 13:02 |
number80 | I'll be around but do not block on me (conference wifi being the reason) | 13:03 |
* dirk too, but probably different conference :) | 13:03 | |
jpena | shall we start with the agenda, then? | 13:03 |
toabctl | yes | 13:03 |
IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:03 |
jpena | #topic Project Team Gathering | 13:03 |
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number80 | yep, who thinks he could manage to get there? | 13:04 |
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number80 | I'm not sure we can send out someone from RDO side (but I'll try asking to get few of us there) | 13:04 |
number80 | Mirantis, Suse? | 13:04 |
number80 | anyone else? | 13:05 |
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IgorYozhikov | number80, what kind of meeting? could you please clarify :) | 13:05 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: see email | 13:05 |
number80 | IgorYozhikov: PTG are replacement of design summit/mid-cycles | 13:05 |
number80 | it'll be in Atlanta in Feb. | 13:05 |
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IgorYozhikov | ah, I saw that one | 13:05 |
toabctl | not sure from my side. need to ask | 13:06 |
IgorYozhikov | do not have clear answer now | 13:06 |
IgorYozhikov | :( | 13:06 |
IgorYozhikov | require to talk to mgmt 1st | 13:06 |
number80 | let me know, when you have definitive or semi-definitive answers | 13:06 |
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IgorYozhikov | sure | 13:06 |
jruzicka | o/ | 13:06 |
jpena | according to the e-mail, we can provide an answer until Oct 16, so we could ask during the week and gather the output during next week's meeting | 13:06 |
dirk | I guess the major topic we need to decide on is whether we want to have a room allocated | 13:06 |
jpena | #chair jruzicka | 13:06 |
openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena jruzicka toabctl | 13:06 |
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IgorYozhikov | got it | 13:07 |
dirk | for me personally I would prefer if it would be in europ in that week but that is not the case :) | 13:07 |
dirk | I will be there, at least partially | 13:07 |
dirk | we could also decide to schedule a pure-virtual meeting I guess at the same time | 13:08 |
dirk | but that misses all the fun of being in atlanta | 13:08 |
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IgorYozhikov | dirk - it is a good idea | 13:08 |
IgorYozhikov | i mean every1 could join | 13:08 |
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IgorYozhikov | anyway - will clarify this question with mgmt and provide answers | 13:10 |
number80 | ack | 13:10 |
jpena | so we'll discuss it again next week? | 13:11 |
IgorYozhikov | why not - 1 week should be enough i think to ask and get back with preliminary results :) | 13:12 |
jpena | #action Discuss it again next week, after we have gathered mgmt input | 13:13 |
jpena | let's move on to the next topic, then | 13:13 |
jpena | #topic packages reviews | 13:13 |
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jruzicka | astsmtl`'s epoch patch has been merged | 13:14 |
jpena | I need to look at the mistral patch, I'd love to get that in to unblock the tripleo stuff | 13:15 |
IgorYozhikov | I'm trying to build mistral as promised, not very successfully | 13:15 |
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IgorYozhikov | at 1st I want to reach green builds | 13:16 |
IgorYozhikov | after that will fix linter errors | 13:16 |
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astsmtl` | \o/ | 13:16 |
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jpena | is there any review that needs special attention? | 13:17 |
IgorYozhikov | toabctl, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/ | 13:17 |
IgorYozhikov | https://build.opensuse.org/project/monitor/home:suse-cloud-ci:rpm-packaging-sles12-Master-439b366e7579c415857de0735eaa599d9cc265c0?blocked=0&building=0&dispatching=0&finished=0&scheduled=0&signing=0&succeeded=0 | 13:17 |
toabctl | there is the question about systemd service files and config handling | 13:17 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, I'll have a look later | 13:18 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: looks like there are a few issues in teh suse ci, will take a look at that | 13:18 |
IgorYozhikov | I see a lot of packages in unresolvable | 13:18 |
dirk | for mistral | 13:18 |
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IgorYozhikov | toabctl, yes, what questions? | 13:18 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, see comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379784/ | 13:19 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, would be nice if somebody from mirantis could comment there, too | 13:19 |
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toabctl | but we don't have to discuss it here now I guess | 13:20 |
IgorYozhikov | o i c, will take a look, thanx | 13:20 |
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dirk | IgorYozhikov: main issue with mistral is probably the missing zaqarclient | 13:20 |
IgorYozhikov | dirk, thanks, so it means that we need to package it 1st in rpm-packaging | 13:21 |
dirk | number80: do you plan to fix the zaqarclient review any time soon? :) | 13:21 |
IgorYozhikov | right? | 13:21 |
dirk | it is open since ~ 3 months | 13:21 |
dirk | or can anyone else help out | 13:22 |
number80 | dirk: I'll look after GA release | 13:22 |
number80 | (litterally after finishing the builds) | 13:22 |
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number80 | (FYI, GA releases have been merged in gerrit) | 13:23 |
jpena | btw, I've proposed a renderspec release including the latest patch: https://review.openstack.org/382549 | 13:24 |
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IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I read comments related to multi configuration service setup in unit files | 13:27 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yes | 13:27 |
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IgorYozhikov | looks fine, i just want to test such kind of setup 1st | 13:27 |
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IgorYozhikov | and all these conf dirs should be created from spec files | 13:28 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, the only thing you need to take care about is that the files/dirs need to exists | 13:28 |
toabctl | yes | 13:28 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, I've already written a sample program where you can play with some options and see which parameters win if you use multiple config-file/config-dir parameters : https://gist.github.com/toabctl/58504087cd0c6adf63f1d6eb1573c279 | 13:29 |
IgorYozhikov | fine, 1 concern here - does matter order of conf files? | 13:30 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, it does. that's the whole point for the change | 13:30 |
IgorYozhikov | ah, ok - that is exactly what I'm asking | 13:30 |
toabctl | last mentioned file wins. for config-dir, last file in order wins | 13:30 |
IgorYozhikov | got it | 13:31 |
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IgorYozhikov | moving next? anything more interesting 4 review? | 13:32 |
jpena | nothing for me, so let's move on | 13:33 |
jruzicka | yup, let's move on | 13:33 |
jpena | there's no open pymod2pkg review | 13:33 |
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jpena | same for renderspec, just a WIP review by toabctl | 13:33 |
jpena | anything to mention there? ^^ | 13:33 |
toabctl | no news there. still WIP | 13:34 |
jpena | ok then | 13:34 |
jpena | #topic open floor | 13:34 |
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jpena | we still have 25 minutes | 13:34 |
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jruzicka | 25 minutes saved ;) | 13:35 |
toabctl | I guess we are fast today :-) | 13:35 |
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jpena | ok, if nobody has anything to add, we can close the meeting | 13:35 |
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jpena | #endmeeting | 13:35 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 13:35:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:35 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-10-06-13.00.html | 13:35 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-10-06-13.00.txt | 13:35 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-10-06-13.00.log.html | 13:35 |
jpena | thanks! | 13:35 |
toabctl | thanks jpena ! | 13:36 |
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slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 13:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 13:59:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 13:59 |
slashme | Hello everyone :) | 13:59 |
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slashme | As usual, meeting agenda and meeting notes are available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 13:59 |
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slashme | Let's wait a few minutes for everyone. | 14:00 |
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szaher | Hello slashme | 14:00 |
m3m0 | hello slashme | 14:01 |
szaher | Hi m3m0 | 14:01 |
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slashme | Okay, I think our friends from China are all in holiday for the week :) Lucky them. | 14:07 |
slashme | This will be a quick one then. | 14:07 |
slashme | #topic survey | 14:08 |
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slashme | Here is the link we will use to prepare the survey we want to propose to the comunity | 14:08 |
slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_user_survey | 14:08 |
slashme | I suggest that we wait for after the summit to send it. | 14:09 |
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slashme | This will give us the time to refine our questions and include any feedback we get there. | 14:09 |
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szaher | slashme: Can't we make this available during the summit ? | 14:12 |
szaher | or do you think after the summit will be better | 14:12 |
slashme | Well I think it's better to do it right after the summit | 14:13 |
szaher | Ok ... | 14:13 |
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domhnallw | o/ | 14:13 |
slashme | So we can use the feedback we get there to improve our survery and tell people there to do it when they get back. | 14:13 |
slashme | Hi domhnallw | 14:13 |
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slashme | #topic barcelona | 14:20 |
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szaher | slashme: Ok | 14:20 |
slashme | Same as past weeks: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona_summit_preparation | 14:21 |
slashme | What kind of topic would you like to be discussed during the Barcelona Summit ? | 14:21 |
slashme | What do you think should be discussed with the community | 14:21 |
slashme | Head to that etherpad to propose your ideas if you have some. | 14:22 |
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szaher | slashme: I am adding some topics | 14:22 |
szaher | like remote backups ? | 14:22 |
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slashme | Thank you for your contributions. | 14:30 |
slashme | Well, this is all I had. | 14:31 |
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slashme | Anyone wants to discuss about anything ? | 14:31 |
slashme | #topic All the rest | 14:31 |
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slashme | Okay. So let's close the meeting. | 14:37 |
slashme | Thank you for comming :) | 14:37 |
slashme | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 14:37:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-10-06-13.59.html | 14:37 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-10-06-13.59.txt | 14:37 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-10-06-13.59.log.html | 14:37 |
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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 15:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
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vponomaryov1 | Hello | 15:00 |
ganso | hello | 15:00 |
toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
ravihandran | hi | 15:00 |
gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
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dustins | \o | 15:01 |
* bswartz wonders where everyone is | 15:01 | |
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bswartz | markstur xyang tbarron: courtesy ping | 15:01 |
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markstur___ | hi | 15:02 |
gouthamr | you need to add a couple "_"s | 15:02 |
gouthamr | :P | 15:02 |
bswartz | >_< | 15:02 |
markstur___ | I did. It would let me back in with 1 or 2 or 3 | 15:02 |
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bswartz | markstur: maybe try 4 _s? | 15:02 |
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bswartz | lol | 15:03 |
bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
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bswartz | Newton shipped today! | 15:03 |
xyang2 | hi | 15:03 |
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markstur___ | release party! | 15:03 |
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kaisers | hi | 15:03 |
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ravichandran | hi | 15:03 |
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bswartz | The final newton bits ended up being the same as the RC1 bits because we didn't have any critical bugs | 15:03 |
tbarron | hi | 15:04 |
vkmc | o/ hi | 15:04 |
bswartz | We did push a bugfix release of manila-ui earlier this week | 15:04 |
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bswartz | This means that the quiet period on the stable branches is over and master is TRULY open for Ocata development | 15:04 |
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dustins | Devstack isn't gonna know what hit it | 15:05 |
bswartz | there's no reason not to merge features if they're ready at this point | 15:05 |
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gouthamr | dustins: usually its the other way round | 15:05 |
bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:06 |
bswartz | #topic Ocata Design Summit | 15:06 |
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bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-design-summit-topics | 15:06 |
bswartz | okay so I'd like to make some decisions about the agenda for the design summit today | 15:06 |
bswartz | the etherpad doesn't have the topics divided into fishbowls or working sessions currently | 15:07 |
bswartz | but please vote (using +1 on etherpad) on the topics you'd like to cover right now | 15:08 |
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tbarron | gouthamr: :) | 15:09 |
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gouthamr | bswartz: to understand correctly, elimination of race conditions is not the same as DLM and our road to HA? :) | 15:09 |
bswartz | gouthamr: correct | 15:10 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: we can fix all of our race conditions without a DLM and not have HA support | 15:10 |
bswartz | we cannot have HA support without fixing our race conditions and without a DLM | 15:10 |
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gouthamr | bswartz: okay.. yes.. but i'm interested in the DLM support because of an existing feature breaking when deployed according to the recommended way of deploying manila services | 15:11 |
gouthamr | bswartz: s/an existing feature/share replication | 15:11 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: I'm sure that topic will get some coverage | 15:12 |
gouthamr | bswartz: i think this can be done in parallel, i'd revive the DLM patch when im done prepping for summit | 15:12 |
gouthamr | bswartz: nice, thank you.. | 15:12 |
bswartz | gouthamr: share replication probably needs another pass after we agree on solution for locking and states | 15:13 |
gouthamr | yes, its possible that we might use fine grained state transitions even with replication | 15:13 |
bswartz | I don't want to rewrite everything but we should consider that if necessary | 15:14 |
gouthamr | we have gigantic critical sections so we can avoid the state transitions, you convinced me that's untenable.. so i'm in agreement :P | 15:14 |
bswartz | I notice that "share groups" is absent from this list | 15:14 |
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gouthamr | so is ameade | 15:15 |
bswartz | If interest in that feature has waned then perhaps it's time to delete the much-maligned "consistency groups" feature | 15:15 |
cknight | bswartz: I'll ping ameade about it | 15:15 |
bswartz | okay | 15:16 |
bswartz | I don't want to carry around consistency groups forever if we know we don't want to keep it as is | 15:16 |
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tbarron | I'm surprised more people aren't voting for getting the generic driver to work better | 15:18 |
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bswartz | tbarron: it may be that we just do that and it doesn't need much discussion | 15:18 |
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bswartz | tbarron: I'm willing to lead that effort | 15:19 |
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ganso | bswartz: I am not aware of the fact that the container driver has been a disappointment. I am not fond of the idea of improving the generic driver, we wanted to deprecate it with the container driver | 15:20 |
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bswartz | ganso: well that is what the discussion would be about | 15:20 |
markstur___ | ganso, I don't see your -1 on that subject | 15:20 |
bswartz | not everyone is up to date with the status of the generic driver | 15:20 |
bswartz | some of these things we can cover in weekly meetings between now and barcelona | 15:21 |
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tbarron | bswartz: I think we need a status report at least, and then maybe common direcitoin | 15:21 |
tbarron | direction | 15:21 |
bswartz | we have today and 2 more weeks before the summit | 15:21 |
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tbarron | yeah, not everything has to be at summit, and some things need to be async as well and involve people who can't attend summit | 15:22 |
bswartz | tbarron: good point | 15:22 |
bswartz | who will attend the summit and who won't? | 15:22 |
* bswartz will attend | 15:22 | |
ganso | 'me will | 15:22 |
* tbarron will | 15:22 | |
ganso | oops | 15:22 |
cknight | I'll be there | 15:22 |
* vponomaryov1 will | 15:22 | |
* markstur___ will be there! | 15:22 | |
tbarron | vponomaryov1: +1000 | 15:22 |
bswartz | yay markstur! | 15:22 |
ganso | markstur___: :D | 15:23 |
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tbarron | markstur___: awesome | 15:23 |
markstur___ | vponomaryov1, Finally get to meet you | 15:23 |
bswartz | Will it be markstur or markstur______? | 15:23 |
gouthamr | i'll be there | 15:23 |
vponomaryov1 | )) | 15:23 |
markstur___ | I'll fill in the blank next week | 15:23 |
bswartz | markstur: see if you can get them to put the extra underscores on your badge | 15:23 |
tbarron | markstur___: hee hee | 15:23 |
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bswartz | okay well based on the etherpad voting I'm seeing some clear preference for certain topics | 15:24 |
markstur___ | Seriously. I got kicked out with all shorter attempts (nick in use race) | 15:24 |
kaisers | oops, will be on the summit, too | 15:25 |
bswartz | kaisers: cool | 15:26 |
bswartz | I didn't see anyone who says they can't attend | 15:26 |
bswartz | but not everyone answered | 15:26 |
vponomaryov1 | whre is xyang? | 15:26 |
ganso | xyang2 ? | 15:26 |
vponomaryov1 | ganso: sooo , slooow ) | 15:26 |
gouthamr | #shamelessplug https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16280/manila-share-data-does-not-simply-move-and-protect-itself-oh-wait-it-does | 15:27 |
bswartz | I know xyang will be there from the cinder meeting | 15:27 |
bswartz | although we have more conflicts with cinder than we have in the past | 15:27 |
xyang2 | sorry. I"m in a call | 15:27 |
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xyang2 | I"ll be at the summit | 15:27 |
bswartz | so people will have to make choices about which sessions to attend | 15:27 |
ganso | xyang2: cool :) | 15:28 |
bswartz | okay I have enough information that I cna take a pass at scheduling sessions this afternoon | 15:28 |
tbarron | vkmc and rraja will be there | 15:28 |
bswartz | it's good to see that people are focused on incremental improvements rather than huge new things given the extremely short schedule | 15:28 |
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bswartz | wow I don't know if I've seen rraja since the hong kong summit | 15:29 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: owners of such features are just hiding from us ) | 15:29 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov1: that's fine but they're missing their chance to bring up topics in Barcelona | 15:30 |
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bswartz | okay we better move on | 15:30 |
bswartz | next up: | 15:30 |
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bswartz | #topic Microversion-ing addition or removal of transitional ('micro') states | 15:30 |
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bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369668/ | 15:31 |
bswartz | gouthamr: you're up | 15:31 |
gouthamr | thanks bswartz okay, a little background -> we've had bad race conditions in manila since iirc share instances appeared | 15:31 |
gouthamr | in mitaka, we cleaned up access rules a little bit, added a new driver interface update_access and removed the per instance access rule state | 15:32 |
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gouthamr | and subsequently fixed a bunch of bugs with different approaches.. | 15:32 |
bswartz | yes and a mistake was made during mitaka | 15:32 |
gouthamr | and one was left that we know of... https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1626249 | 15:32 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1626249 in Manila "Concurrency issues with bulk access rule updates" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Goutham Pacha Ravi (gouthamr) | 15:32 |
gouthamr | originally reported by tpsilva | 15:33 |
bswartz | when we introduced new access rule states, we should have hidden the ones users don't need to know about | 15:33 |
gouthamr | so, the solution after much brainstorming with ganso tpsilva vponomaryov1 bswartz cknight + has been restoring the per rule access state | 15:33 |
bswartz | in particular "updating_multiple" should have been mapped to simply "updating" at the view builder level | 15:33 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: that is the problem, how do we map states and microversions? | 15:34 |
gouthamr | so, that patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369668/ does that | 15:34 |
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gouthamr | vponomaryov1 had a question about the approach though and i'm open to ideas | 15:34 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov1: this is the point from the review that I think requires discussion here | 15:34 |
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gouthamr | i'm knocking two legit states from the share instance's access_rules_status | 15:34 |
bswartz | so the general rule is that any user-visible change should be microversioned | 15:34 |
gouthamr | with no microversion change (oh the horror) | 15:35 |
bswartz | there are exceptions to that rule though | 15:35 |
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gouthamr | :) so wanted to bring that up for discussion here hoping we can reason out the approach | 15:35 |
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bswartz | in cases where preserving backwards compatibility is impossible or undesirable (such as when fixing a bug), then microversioning the change is pointless | 15:36 |
gouthamr | bswartz: i kind of agree, because users may not have expected that behavior per se... | 15:36 |
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gouthamr | but i'm wary of saying that for certain | 15:36 |
gouthamr | the scripts that we write 'usually' only care about two states: available or error | 15:37 |
bswartz | one of the main points of microversioning is to introduce new behavior while preserving old behavior for clients that expect the old behavior | 15:37 |
gouthamr | for example, in tempest | 15:37 |
bswartz | when fixing a bug, it's hard to argue that anyone "expected" the old buggy behavior | 15:37 |
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ganso | bswartz: there may be tools dependent on that state | 15:38 |
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ganso | bswartz: or scripts | 15:38 |
bswartz | ganso: yes that's where the tension comes from | 15:38 |
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markstur___ | there are sometimes bug vs feature arguments | 15:38 |
ganso | bswartz: microversioning allows the users to go back to the previous microversion until their scripts are fixed | 15:38 |
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bswartz | ganso: however consider when the nature of the bugfix makes it impossible to emulate the old (buggy) behavior for those clients who expect it | 15:38 |
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gouthamr | ganso: what kind of scripts do you expect that expect a second rule to transition state to "updating_multiple"? | 15:38 |
bswartz | ganso: cinder faces this conundrum with their attachment APIs | 15:39 |
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ganso | bswartz: oh I see your point... backwards compatbility :\ | 15:39 |
gouthamr | these transitional (micro) states are so brief and unpredictable to be relied upon | 15:39 |
gouthamr | expected to be brief* | 15:39 |
tbarron | yeah in this case it's a theoretical possibility but the actual liklihood is minimal i think | 15:39 |
ganso | gouthamr: true, it is highly unlikely | 15:40 |
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markstur___ | gouthamr, brief as in permanent? | 15:40 |
markstur___ | like bad tattoo | 15:40 |
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bswartz | so my stance is that unless we really see value in supporting both the old behavior (for backward compatibility) and the new behavior, then microversioning the change achieves almost nothing | 15:40 |
gouthamr | markstur___: yes.. the true states for that field are 'active', 'out_of_sync' or 'error' | 15:40 |
bswartz | markstur___: you have experience in that area? | 15:41 |
gouthamr | markstur___: haha | 15:41 |
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gouthamr | some transitional states make sense, some don't imho | 15:41 |
gouthamr | so, we should have always mapped the states for consistent user experience | 15:42 |
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gouthamr | with that said, it's going to be difficult to maintain backwards compatibility | 15:42 |
bswartz | transitional states have value to the user insofar as they signal "don't do anything else to this share right now" | 15:43 |
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gouthamr | bswartz: i consider 'out_of_sync' as a transitional state then | 15:43 |
bswartz | GUI clients should ideally suppress actions on shares in transitional states | 15:43 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: that's a bit different because it's the replica state not the share state | 15:44 |
bswartz | and transitions into and out of that state can happen with NO user interaction | 15:44 |
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ganso | bswartz: it is the instance, in fact | 15:44 |
gouthamr | bswartz: nope, overloaded in "access_rules_status" | 15:44 |
bswartz | oh you're talking about that access rule status | 15:45 |
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ganso | gouthamr: but bswartz stated a good example of what could be relying on the states... fortunately our vanilla manila-ui does not do anything special | 15:46 |
bswartz | I'll say again the main value of states at the API level is to give the user a clue about what he can/can't do with that share at that time | 15:46 |
gouthamr | my proposal is that we microversion this, but don't care about breaking clients that expect these transitional states, 'updating', 'updating_multiple' | 15:46 |
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gouthamr | and do things right from here on out when introducing any states | 15:46 |
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bswartz | from a user's perspective, all they need to know is whether the access rules they've set on the share are active or not, so they can wait for them to become active | 15:47 |
gouthamr | i.e, microversion and/or map to existing states taht users should rely upon when we expect a state transition only for the sake of internal logic | 15:47 |
gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:47 |
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vponomaryov1 | gouthamr: I agree with bswartz here, if we cannot keep backwards compat then no need in microversion | 15:47 |
gouthamr | vponomaryov1: anything that changes in behavior in the server should ideally bump the microversion | 15:48 |
ganso | gouthamr: +1 | 15:48 |
bswartz | gouthamr: why do you propose adding a microversion? | 15:48 |
gouthamr | vponomaryov1: that patch also adds 'applying' and 'denying' | 15:48 |
ganso | gouthamr: we could make that adjustment in the view only, it would not affect internal logic | 15:48 |
gouthamr | as per instance access rule state | 15:48 |
bswartz | ganso: +1 | 15:49 |
vponomaryov1 | gouthamr: addon of microversion means you should support ol dstatuses for old microversions, that is my point | 15:49 |
ganso | gouthamr: the internal logic is being fixed, it could be seen as a mistake to expose so many statuses to the API | 15:49 |
bswartz | we can have as many states as we want internally and the viewbuilder should map those to a small number of user visible states | 15:49 |
ganso | gouthamr: since for the user, the only important states would be "active" or "out_of_sync" | 15:49 |
gouthamr | yes... so we're in agreement. i could write up a spec if anyone wants for these changes | 15:49 |
vponomaryov1 | in agreement for what? )) | 15:50 |
bswartz | gouthamr: I feel a spec is required here -- there's too many details to argue about | 15:50 |
gouthamr | (i intend to modify the associated ORM models (add backrefs) and the DB APIs as well, in line with share instances and share snapshot instances) | 15:50 |
bswartz | it would be better to argue about those in the spec and then just implement the spec, avoiding all the arguments in the code review | 15:50 |
gouthamr | bswartz: okay.. if you aren;t tired of my writing :D | 15:51 |
gouthamr | sure +1 | 15:51 |
ganso | or we could not have the spec (as we currently don't) and discuss it at the summit, there is a topic for that proposed | 15:51 |
markstur_ | gouthamr, Your writing is excellent | 15:51 |
ganso | unless we agree we do not need that topic anymore | 15:51 |
bswartz | yes specs are going to be more important for ocata | 15:51 |
bswartz | I need to update my own spe | 15:52 |
bswartz | my spec about specs | 15:52 |
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bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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gouthamr | markstur_: :) thanks... | 15:52 |
bswartz | okay anyone have something else? | 15:52 |
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ganso | "Access rules fixes (patch proposed by goutham) +1+1+1+1+1+1" | 15:52 |
tbarron | i think having this written down will be very helpful | 15:52 |
markstur_ | gouthamr, It's your artwork that is subpar :) | 15:52 |
bswartz | a few things came up earlier during the meeting... | 15:52 |
gouthamr | markstur_: i don't do the ascii diagrams! :P | 15:52 |
bswartz | ganso asked about the container driver | 15:52 |
bswartz | tbarron asked about the generic driver service image | 15:52 |
bswartz | gouthamr: I use plantuml for diagrams | 15:53 |
bswartz | ganso: so quick update on the container driver | 15:53 |
gouthamr | bswartz: yes.. and i've had it in my post it notes to plantuml our thin provisioning logic #someday | 15:53 |
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bswartz | after working on the container driver for about a year, I feel it's about as good as it will get given the existing limitations in docker and ganesha, which are significant | 15:54 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: don't forget to say that ganesha is not used yet at all because of such limitations )) | 15:55 |
bswartz | our options with the container driver are to either wait for docker and ganesha to get better, or to rearchitect the driver significantly | 15:55 |
ganso | bswartz: so it will not be good enough to be a generic driver replacement? | 15:55 |
ganso | bswartz: would rearchitecting solve these issues? has this been researched? | 15:55 |
gouthamr | ganso: loopback, i'll add the spec link to the etherpad when done.. we can possibly integrate it into the micro-states discussion.. its all intertwined | 15:55 |
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ganso | gouthamr: +1 | 15:55 |
bswartz | ganso: as vponomaryov points out, the existing driver doesn't even support NFS because ganesha is so bad at basic things which we need | 15:56 |
bswartz | I had high hopes for ganesha after hearing how it was being used for various production use cases | 15:56 |
tbarron | do we have written down somewhere what is needed of ganesha? has anyone involved themselves in the upstream ganesha community? | 15:57 |
bswartz | but while working with aovchinnikov on the driver it became clear that ganesha is still missing some essential things | 15:57 |
bswartz | tbarron: I wrote in their mail list what we want from them | 15:57 |
tbarron | we aren't just consumers of other upstream projects, sometimes we need to participate | 15:57 |
bswartz | tbarron: it's also on the etherpad | 15:57 |
tbarron | i have a more vital interest in this subject now so want to catch up again :) | 15:58 |
bswartz | tbarron: yes I suspect that the ganesha team won't address our use cases unless we join them and do the work ourselves | 15:58 |
bswartz | tbarron: but because we work in python and they work in C++ my personal preference is to put container driver on the back burner and pursue approaches which we can more directly help with | 15:59 |
tbarron | so i want to discover how much the needs for container driver overlap with needs for, say, nfs gateway to native cephfs | 15:59 |
bswartz | tbarron: that's certainly worth looking into | 15:59 |
tbarron | bswartz: k, i'll listen about that ... | 15:59 |
bswartz | we're out of time for today | 16:00 |
bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
* xarses waves | 16:00 | |
bswartz | tbarron I'll ping you about the other thing | 16:00 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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tbarron | bswartz: sure, running to meeting now though | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-10-06-15.00.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-10-06-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-10-06-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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ashtokolov | o/ | 16:01 |
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xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 16:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
maximov_ | Hi | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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xarses | lets get started =) | 16:02 |
xarses | #topic Fuel Newton RC1 (ashtokolov) | 16:02 |
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ashtokolov | I'm going to tag all fuel-core projects tomorrow and that will be the RC1 for Fuel Newton | 16:02 |
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maximov_ | Sounds good | 16:02 |
xarses | woot | 16:02 |
ashtokolov | The release date is Oct20 | 16:02 |
ashtokolov | So I've requested a swarm run against stable/newton | 16:03 |
xarses | We can be up to two weeks behind if needed | 16:03 |
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ashtokolov | OpenStack Newton release is today | 16:03 |
xarses | oh =) | 16:03 |
ashtokolov | so Oct20 is right in 2 weeks | 16:03 |
xarses | that is our two weeks | 16:03 |
ashtokolov | yeap) | 16:03 |
xarses | I live under a rock sometimes | 16:04 |
xarses | moving ? | 16:04 |
maximov_ | Btw mos packages will be rebuilt soon | 16:04 |
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maximov_ | To accumulate latest changes | 16:04 |
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ashtokolov | do you mean next week? | 16:05 |
ashtokolov | maximov_: ^ | 16:05 |
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maximov_ | I think so | 16:05 |
ashtokolov | great! | 16:05 |
ashtokolov | Please let me know | 16:05 |
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ashtokolov | moving? | 16:05 |
maximov_ | Yes | 16:06 |
xarses | #topic Barcelona Deisgn Summit Schedule (ashtokolov) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ocata-summit-planning | 16:06 |
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ashtokolov | We got an extra fishball | 16:06 |
xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ocata-summit-planning | 16:06 |
ashtokolov | I've allocated this slot for upgrades | 16:06 |
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ashtokolov | Roman Sokolkov and Ilya Kharin will present their approaches | 16:07 |
maximov_ | Ok. This is a hot topic as usual | 16:07 |
ashtokolov | and we are going to discuss next steps with custom graphs | 16:07 |
ashtokolov | also Fuel-CCP team asked for a workroom | 16:07 |
ashtokolov | the schedule should be stabilized next week | 16:08 |
ashtokolov | and I'll update sessions titles | 16:08 |
ashtokolov | xarses: are you going to join us at Barcelona? | 16:09 |
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xarses | ashtokolov: I'm not this time =( | 16:09 |
ashtokolov | It's a pity! | 16:09 |
xarses | ya, I know it didn't work out for me this time, maybe next | 16:09 |
xarses | anything else? | 16:10 |
ashtokolov | I hope | 16:10 |
ashtokolov | just one update | 16:10 |
ashtokolov | Kolla and Intel guys are going to join our CCP tracks | 16:10 |
xarses | cool | 16:10 |
ashtokolov | so CCP session can be moved to align with Kolla's sessions | 16:11 |
ashtokolov | I'll share an update asap | 16:11 |
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ashtokolov | that's all from my side | 16:12 |
ashtokolov | any questions? | 16:12 |
xarses | none here | 16:12 |
maximov_ | Nope | 16:12 |
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ashtokolov | looks like we can finish our dialog) | 16:13 |
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ashtokolov | thank you guys! | 16:13 |
xarses | alright folks, have a good rest of the day. | 16:13 |
xarses | #endmeeting | 16:13 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-10-06-16.01.html | 16:13 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-10-06-16.01.txt | 16:13 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-10-06-16.01.log.html | 16:13 |
ashtokolov | cheers | 16:13 |
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tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 17:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | o/ | 17:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
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tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:01 |
ccneill | o/ | 17:01 |
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knangia | o/ | 17:02 |
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capnoday | o/ | 17:02 |
michaelxin | o/ | 17:02 |
mdong | o/ | 17:02 |
dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:02 |
vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:02 |
tmcpeak | #topic Bandit Bugs | 17:03 |
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unrahul | o/ | 17:03 |
tmcpeak | tkelsey: we've had a few bugs that I think we need to address in Bandit | 17:03 |
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tmcpeak | will you have some cycles? | 17:03 |
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tmcpeak | I'll devote some too | 17:03 |
sicarie | o/ | 17:03 |
tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah | 17:03 |
tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: has offered to fix this yaml bug, but I'd like to do a bug squash and roll a new version | 17:03 |
tkelsey | will take a look | 17:03 |
tmcpeak | you good to help? | 17:03 |
tmcpeak | sweet | 17:03 |
tkelsey | yup yup | 17:03 |
tkelsey | :) | 17:03 |
tmcpeak | great | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | that was easy | 17:04 |
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tmcpeak | #action tkelsey, tmcpeak to squash Bandit bugs & roll new version | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | #topic PTG | 17:04 |
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tmcpeak | who's is this? | 17:04 |
dave-mccowan | i added it. | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | ahh cool, thank you | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | so this is what would have been our midcycle | 17:04 |
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dave-mccowan | it's an item from the os-dev mail list. the foundation is asking project to RSVP if they want a room at the PTG | 17:05 |
dave-mccowan | http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 17:05 |
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capnoday | that is a _long_ way out | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | yeah it is | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | I might have quit security and be running a bar by then :P | 17:05 |
sicarie | So this is the "new" mid-cycle? | 17:05 |
capnoday | I have literally no idea if we will have a travel budget at that point in time | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | sicarie: yeah, think so | 17:05 |
capnoday | tmcpeak I'll drink to that | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | well suffice it to say that we'll have at least some security people that can make it, so we need to reserve a space | 17:06 |
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tmcpeak | "The event is not the occasion to sell goods or to propose jobs to the attendees -- hiring managers and product vendors will therefore also probably feel out of place." boooo | 17:06 |
tmcpeak | ;) | 17:06 |
michaelxin | nice | 17:06 |
capnoday | plan. lets ask for a room and if it turns out no-one can make it, say we're sorry? | 17:06 |
sicarie | I should be able to make it to that one, but obviously pending approval, etc... | 17:06 |
tmcpeak | capnoday: yeah, think so | 17:06 |
dave-mccowan | for February, this would be instead of a mid-cycle, except it will actually be timed at the beginning of the Pike cycle. Ocata will be a short cycle. | 17:06 |
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michaelxin | capnoday: +1 | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: do you know how we can request a space? | 17:07 |
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dave-mccowan | Monday and Tuesday are for horizontal teams (QA, docs, performance), and Wednesday-Friday are for vertical projects (nova, cinder, ...) | 17:07 |
dave-mccowan | security could qualify for either or both. | 17:07 |
capnoday | both | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | hmm | 17:08 |
sicarie | +1 to both | 17:08 |
capnoday | if I'm flying 10 hours for it, I'm staying around all week | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | yeah, really is both | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | capnoday: not 10 hours | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | Atlanta, only like 5 hours | 17:08 |
sicarie | docs, OSSN, and TA could get dedicated time | 17:08 |
dave-mccowan | tmcpeak there's a form to fill out. i'll send you and rob the link/email offline. it went out to PTLs. | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: gotcha, thanks for bringing this to our attention | 17:08 |
capnoday | tmcpeak 9hrs for me :( | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | yikes | 17:09 |
capnoday | thanks dave-mccowan | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | +1 thanks! | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:10 |
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tmcpeak | ccneill: | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | unrahul: | 17:10 |
ccneill | so we finished up our testing last week | 17:10 |
michaelxin | I gave them a break for this week | 17:10 |
ccneill | haven't had a chance to sift through launchpad/email to see if any bugs have been resolved | 17:10 |
mdong | ccneill wrote a great retrospective | 17:10 |
mdong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-retrospective | 17:10 |
unrahul | mdong: ccneill +1 indeed. | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | you know where this needs to go... | 17:11 |
sicarie | blog post? | 17:11 |
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ccneill | thanks mdong :D | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | boom! | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | sicarie: correct | 17:11 |
ccneill | sicarie: yep, we're planning on it | 17:11 |
michaelxin | ccneill: +1 | 17:11 |
ccneill | as michaelxin said, we were off for a couple days this week relaxing | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | terrible, the bad guys, they don't relax | 17:11 |
michaelxin | hha | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | :P | 17:11 |
ccneill | but we will definitely get it in blog post form soon | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | this is an awesome retrospective though | 17:11 |
sicarie | +1 | 17:11 |
michaelxin | Thanks. | 17:11 |
knangia | +1 | 17:12 |
michaelxin | Great job! ccneill, mdong, unrahul, knangia, vinaypotluri | 17:12 |
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ccneill | so yeah, check out the retrospective, let us know if you have any ideas for future development | 17:12 |
tmcpeak | cool, soundss good | 17:13 |
knangia | thank you michaelxin | 17:13 |
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ccneill | we're planning on using launchpad more in the future so that our plans are more visible to the community | 17:13 |
vinaypotluri | thank you michaelxin | 17:13 |
ccneill | that's all I've got, unless someone else has more? | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | awesome, thanks guys | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:13 |
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tmcpeak | no lhinds today | 17:14 |
tmcpeak | so punting... | 17:14 |
tmcpeak | #topic Blog | 17:14 |
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tmcpeak | looks like nothing new | 17:14 |
tmcpeak | although looking forward to lhinds post and one from Syntribos in the future | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | also encourage everybody to go out and write one, they're fun :) | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | #topic Barcelona Sessions | 17:15 |
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tmcpeak | if you have anything to present please add it here | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | also if you know you're going to Barcelona please add your name | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-security-sessions | 17:16 |
sicarie | gmurphy is working on his - it's going to be awesome | 17:16 |
tmcpeak | working on what? | 17:16 |
Daviey | Is the OSSP having any input into sec' brown bag sessions? | 17:16 |
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sicarie | whoops, got my nomenclature mixed up - presentation vs session | 17:16 |
sicarie | +1 Daviey | 17:16 |
capnoday | whys that Daviey? | 17:16 |
tmcpeak | lol | 17:16 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: good question | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | I don't know anything about brown bag sessions | 17:17 |
Daviey | capnoday: There were some security sessions at the last one... and the group had some feedback on it | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | does anybody | 17:17 |
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capnoday | seems like an action for Rob | 17:17 |
capnoday | im aware there may be another one of those security sessions that we may have more feedback on | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | what is the deal with the brown bag sessions? | 17:17 |
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tmcpeak | I mean, where are they even held? are they in a bar? | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | some back alley somewhere? | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | seems like something the foundation would have to be involved in, doesn't it | 17:18 |
capnoday | they film them, on youtube | 17:18 |
sicarie | They're in smaller rooms | 17:18 |
Daviey | just a room.. at lunctimes | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | fungi: you around? | 17:18 |
Daviey | sponsored by some corp | 17:18 |
sicarie | They have one or two rooms, and then do semi-"lightning talks" through the day | 17:18 |
fungi | yep, here | 17:18 |
Daviey | "lunch and learn" | 17:18 |
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tmcpeak | do you know anything about brown bag sessions and how those topics are selected? | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | I'm just randomly picking on you because you work for the foundation | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | I guess if we don't get answers this could be a ML topic | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | but I don't want to blast it to everybody and I don't know who to address it to :) | 17:19 |
fungi | i think vbrownbag is an independent organization and the foundation sort of just gives them some space to "do their thing" | 17:19 |
Daviey | fungi: There were some quality concerns from Austin | 17:20 |
fungi | i know there have been issues in the past with conference organizers having limited input into what vbrownbag does and how | 17:20 |
Daviey | fungi: Such that the OSSP felt they had to respond to them | 17:20 |
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tmcpeak | #link http://vbrownbag.com/2016/09/vbrownbag-techtalks-at-openstack-barcelona/ | 17:20 |
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fungi | perfectly valid, and i can pass that along to the organizers to help them decide whether to continue their relationship with vbrownbag | 17:21 |
tmcpeak | fungi: awesome, thank you | 17:21 |
fungi | what/where was the ossp response? | 17:21 |
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capnoday | fungi on the blog, i'll find the link | 17:22 |
capnoday | #link http://openstack-security.github.io/vulnerabilities/2016/05/05/clearing-the-air.html | 17:22 |
fungi | thanks capnoday! | 17:22 |
fungi | i will make absolutely sure they see it | 17:23 |
tmcpeak | fungi: thank you! | 17:23 |
capnoday | you should probably watch the presentation first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twOC6OqXBAU&list=PL2rC-8e38bUVvUc0oZ0RDXnzbxz5wFcJ5&index=57 | 17:23 |
fungi | giving them a heads up on it now so that it's fresh in their minds | 17:23 |
Daviey | fungi: One of the talks talked about known vulnerabilities not being addressed... simply select a CVE and metasploit it with a few clicks | 17:23 |
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capnoday | Daviey thats how you do it, right? | 17:23 |
fungi | heh | 17:24 |
Daviey | :) | 17:24 |
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fungi | script kiddies with jobs | 17:24 |
tmcpeak | indeed | 17:24 |
Daviey | fungi: That is us. x | 17:24 |
capnoday | to be fair to that talk, it did motivate me to re-write the security.openstack.org | 17:24 |
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* fungi was referring to people who think that just because a nids says something is vulnerable they believe it | 17:25 | |
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tmcpeak | fungi: yeah, that about sums up the talk | 17:25 |
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fungi | er, s/nids/scanner/ | 17:25 |
capnoday | yeh | 17:25 |
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capnoday | this talk wasnt even talking about vulns in current openstack, some of them were ancient, but you can form your own opinions | 17:26 |
capnoday | tmcpeak moving on? | 17:26 |
sicarie | or in 3rd party apps | 17:26 |
tmcpeak | heh, allright, not fully opening that can of worms again | 17:26 |
tmcpeak | #topic Sec Guide | 17:26 |
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tmcpeak | sicarie: | 17:26 |
sicarie | So we have published release notes for recent changes | 17:27 |
sicarie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382600/ | 17:27 |
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sicarie | I tagged a few of you as FYI | 17:27 |
sicarie | There was discussion with docs resources about a bit of a roadmap for this next release, so working on TA materials and doing the neutron/nova chapter reviews | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | what kind of roadmap? | 17:29 |
sicarie | I'm not going to have much time to work on it this month, but I will be picking it up in Nov | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | yayy, sicarie has returned to us | 17:29 |
sicarie | TA materials and neutron/nova reviews | 17:29 |
sicarie | I've been opening bugs on some of the lighter chpaters, and they have been getting fixed, so that's a plus as well | 17:29 |
sicarie | and that's about it for the sec-guide for now | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | awesome, thanks sicarie | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:30 |
capnoday | sicarie TA stuff is WIP. we had a meeting with Kolla today that reminded me quite how much work I need to do on it :( | 17:30 |
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tmcpeak | oh right | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | capnoday: want to give an update on the work with Kolla? | 17:30 |
capnoday | yeah sure | 17:30 |
sicarie | capnoday: yep - per our convo yesterday I put it in as a note, but made no promises :) | 17:30 |
capnoday | tmcpeak and I met with the Kolla team a couple of hours back in a google hangout. | 17:30 |
capnoday | We went over the TA work, explained a bit about the latest evolution of the TA process, talked about the requirements for artifacts | 17:31 |
capnoday | Kolla team are commited to completing this and were very understanding of our work-in-progress process and documentation | 17:32 |
Daviey | capnoday: dammit, i'd have joined that | 17:32 |
Daviey | (i'm kolla core now) | 17:32 |
capnoday | no way! | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | Daviey: sick! get with inc and work on it | 17:32 |
capnoday | we are going to have a hangout fairly soon | 17:32 |
capnoday | 2 weeks or so | 17:33 |
Daviey | capnoday: ok, keep me updated pls | 17:33 |
capnoday | then have a face to face in spain to wrap it up | 17:33 |
capnoday | daviey & tmcpeak you will have to lead the face to face, I'm unlikely to be there, particuarly if its late in the week | 17:33 |
tmcpeak | capnoday: boo | 17:33 |
Daviey | cheers bro. | 17:33 |
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tmcpeak | cool | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | otherwise I'll wrap us early | 17:34 |
capnoday | sgtm | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 17:34:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-10-06-17.01.html | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-10-06-17.01.txt | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | have a good week | 17:34 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-10-06-17.01.log.html | 17:34 |
capnoday | thanks guys | 17:34 |
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fungi | tmcpeak: have a mirror of openstack-security.github.io that doesn't have privacy-invading third party google integration? | 17:35 |
fungi | privacy badger is pretty unhappy with it | 17:35 |
fungi | but i'd be curious to read articles on it if i could do so without telling google what i read and when | 17:36 |
tmcpeak | fungi: ahh interesting | 17:36 |
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tmcpeak | let me add that as a topic for our next meeting | 17:36 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: owns all that | 17:36 |
* fungi is surprised to be the only one wearing a tinfoil hat to a security team meeting | 17:36 | |
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tmcpeak | fungi: I've given up on privacy :P | 17:37 |
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fungi | fair enough. hard to work in security and be an optimist at the same time ;) | 17:37 |
tmcpeak | fungi: exactly | 17:37 |
tmcpeak | it's a good point though, I've added it for our next meeting | 17:38 |
fungi | thanks! | 17:38 |
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Rockyg | Yup, fungi. Google owns all my info. =P | 17:50 |
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anteaya | fungi: I'm glad you still advocate for privacy, it is work to keep it and I value it | 19:02 |
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Rockyg | ++ I'm with anteaya. It's so needed. I try, to, but it's with the assumption that we are at our low point wrt it | 19:04 |
auggy | o/ | 19:04 |
anteaya | oh I assume many of my things are accessible to others, but I still do what I can to keep my private things private | 19:04 |
Rockyg | yup | 19:05 |
anteaya | Rockyg: I'm not holding onto any illusions there | 19:05 |
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Rockyg | Hey auggy. no meetbot ping and few folks here. | 19:05 |
auggy | thanks Rockyg, i was just double checking i was in the right place | 19:06 |
auggy | SpamapS said in openstack-dev he wouldn't be here today so he asked dtroyer to run the meeting | 19:06 |
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Rockyg | ah. running late. | 19:06 |
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dtroyer_zz | anyone still here? | 19:07 |
auggy | oh hey! | 19:07 |
auggy | i just pinged you in #openstack-dev | 19:07 |
Rockyg | cool! thanks | 19:07 |
dtroyer_zz | ok, let's try this, even a little late | 19:07 |
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dtroyer_zz | #startmeeting arch_wg | 19:08 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 19:08:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer_zz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:08 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:08 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:08 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 19:08 |
auggy | o/ | 19:08 |
dtroyer_zz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 19:08 |
Rockyg | o/ | 19:08 |
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jroll | \o | 19:08 |
dtroyer_zz | #topic previous meeting action items | 19:08 |
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dtroyer_zz | #link https://review.openstack.org/379768 | 19:09 |
Rockyg | spamaps sent the APAC email | 19:09 |
dtroyer_zz | SpamapS proposed that for the alternate time | 19:10 |
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Rockyg | nikhil, are you around? | 19:10 |
dtroyer_zz | no opposition so far, but also nobody from APAC time zones have commented | 19:10 |
dtroyer_zz | ((not sure if tonyb intends to attend)) | 19:11 |
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dtroyer_zz | any comments here? | 19:11 |
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Rockyg | nope | 19:11 |
dtroyer_zz | #topic repo creation | 19:12 |
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dtroyer_zz | I haven't seen nikhil yet... | 19:12 |
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dtroyer_zz | #topic Proposal Process Review | 19:13 |
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dtroyer_zz | this was on the agenda, nothing specific listed under it | 19:13 |
jroll | feels like this was last meeting's agenda | 19:14 |
dtroyer_zz | was it? | 19:14 |
cdent | I forgot to say I'm here | 19:14 |
cdent | hi | 19:14 |
dtroyer_zz | ugh, | 19:14 |
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* dtroyer_zz assumed the wiki accumulated it... | 19:15 | |
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dtroyer_zz | ok, how about this: | 19:15 |
dtroyer_zz | #topic Summit Cross-Project Space Request | 19:15 |
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jroll | hasn't been significantly updated since sept 29, dunno if it was before or after, just looks familiar | 19:15 |
Rockyg | yeah. This is last week's. But reviewing AIs | 19:15 |
dtroyer_zz | the tentative schedule was put together, pending further review, Arch WG has a session on Wednesday at 12:15 | 19:16 |
jroll | nice | 19:16 |
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dtroyer_zz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:17 |
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dtroyer_zz | given I don't ave a better agenda, what's on your minds? | 19:17 |
Rockyg | Should we put together an agenda on the Summit xproject etherpad? | 19:18 |
dtroyer_zz | for the session? that sounds good | 19:18 |
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Rockyg | Yup | 19:18 |
dtroyer_zz | wait, on the schedule one? maybe we should build one for that session specifically | 19:18 |
Rockyg | yup | 19:20 |
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ttx | dtroyer_zz: o/ | 19:20 |
dtroyer_zz | can you get that started Rockyg? | 19:20 |
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ttx | bit late, any urgent matter? | 19:21 |
cdent | a new etherpad seems right thing | 19:21 |
Rockyg | sure....gimme a sec. | 19:21 |
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dtroyer_zz | ttx: nothing urgent, do you have anything to mention about the etherpadding action you and SpamapS had? | 19:21 |
ttx | dtroyer_zz: not started, planning to try to d osomething about it tomorrow | 19:22 |
dtroyer_zz | ok, thanks | 19:22 |
ttx | somehow I had noted that this week was the APAC timing | 19:22 |
Rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ArchWG-xproject_meeting | 19:22 |
dtroyer_zz | thanks Rockyg | 19:22 |
dtroyer_zz | ttx: I do that more than I care to admit | 19:23 |
cdent | did the apac time get set? | 19:23 |
dtroyer_zz | something (outlook maybe) numbers the weeks differently so I can never trust if it is an odd or even week | 19:23 |
ttx | dtroyer_zz: based mine on the "start dates" on the patch, but the patch is not approved yet | 19:24 |
dtroyer_zz | cdent: it isn't approved yet, but https://review.openstack.org/379768 is the proposal | 19:24 |
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cdent | thanks dtroyer_zz | 19:24 |
ttx | I guess I bet that it would be approved by now :p | 19:24 |
dtroyer_zz | if only we knew someone... | 19:25 |
jroll | I think we were waiting for anyone from APAC to chime in :P | 19:25 |
dtroyer_zz | yes | 19:25 |
Rockyg | yup | 19:25 |
ttx | ah, so it's ready for approval now ? | 19:25 |
Rockyg | I don't think we have a good meeting time for Israel, though. | 19:26 |
ttx | ah, we need SpamapS to un-W-1 it | 19:26 |
jroll | ttx: it's unclear if tony's vote was for "yes wfm" or "this change looks ok" | 19:26 |
jroll | he's the only apac on it | 19:26 |
ttx | Rockyg: it's not exactly what I'd call EU-friendly either | 19:26 |
Rockyg | Hopefully that's a so far... | 19:26 |
ttx | It's just not EU-unfriendly | 19:26 |
dtroyer_zz | I read tonyb as approving the form, not necessarily the meeting time | 19:26 |
jroll | ditto | 19:27 |
Rockyg | ttx, yeah. Be good to move this one earlier. | 19:27 |
dtroyer_zz | but I don't know if he intends to come or not, so salt grains and all that | 19:27 |
ttx | Rockyg: It's hard anyway. Earlier is in dinner time for me | 19:27 |
markvoelker | set | grep OS_ | 19:27 |
ttx | markvoelker: wrong window | 19:27 |
dtroyer_zz | OS_USERNAME=admin | 19:27 |
dtroyer_zz | :) | 19:27 |
markvoelker | hah, sorry | 19:27 |
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dtroyer_zz | anything else anyone? | 19:28 |
Rockyg | <snicker> | 19:28 |
dtroyer_zz | ttx: I mentioned the tentative cross-project session schedule, when do you expect to call it final? | 19:28 |
ttx | I publish it tomorrow, unless someone complains | 19:28 |
ttx | we can always alter it though | 19:29 |
ttx | so.. near-final | 19:29 |
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ttx | nothing else from me | 19:30 |
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dtroyer_zz | me either | 19:30 |
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dtroyer_zz | short housekeeping week, when we get the repo I'll propose the draft etherpad | 19:30 |
auggy | hey everyone, i heard about this wg and wanted to come check it out | 19:30 |
auggy | so i guess i'm just introducing myself :) hi! | 19:31 |
ttx | auggy: hi! | 19:31 |
dtroyer_zz | auggy: thanks for coming, this wasn't a very impressive meeting to show off our grand plans | 19:31 |
auggy | hahahaha no it's fine | 19:31 |
auggy | i run the nova bugs team and i'm lucky if i have one other person at my meetings :( haha | 19:31 |
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Rockyg | You are doing a yeoman's work. At least I appreciate it. | 19:32 |
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dtroyer_zz | ok, let's call it a day/night | 19:32 |
* dtroyer_zz likes the idea of food before pre-board | 19:32 | |
auggy | dtroyer_zz: burgerville!! | 19:32 |
auggy | they even have insulated cups for your "milkshakes" | 19:33 |
Rockyg | Yup. Put ideas for the xproject agenda on the etherpad.... and linbks and stuff | 19:33 |
auggy | (ahem, beer) | 19:33 |
cdent | auggy: aw | 19:33 |
cdent | now I want burgerville | 19:33 |
dtroyer_zz | there's a Potbelly over thereI've been smelling since I sat down | 19:33 |
ttx | b.u.r.g.e.R | 19:33 |
cdent | and it is a _long_ way away | 19:33 |
dtroyer_zz | thanks everyone! | 19:33 |
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auggy | thanks dtroyer_zz ! | 19:33 |
dtroyer_zz | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 19:33:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:33 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-10-06-19.08.html | 19:33 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-10-06-19.08.txt | 19:34 |
ttx | thanks, dtroyer_zz | 19:34 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-10-06-19.08.log.html | 19:34 |
Rockyg | Thanks! | 19:34 |
jroll | thanks :) | 19:34 |
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