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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 14:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone around? | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| pkholkin | + | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Let's give everyone one more minute | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Let's start | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | No one added anything to the agenda | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i have something | 14:02 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ - the series starting there, | 14:02 |
| edleafe | (which is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler BTW) | 14:02 |
| edleafe | sure | 14:02 |
| mriedem | quick nit, we need a new ocata bp for that | 14:02 |
| mriedem | since generic-resource-pools was closed in newton | 14:02 |
| mriedem | doesn't need a spec | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | just a generic-resource-pools-ocata blueprint for tracking, something like that | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: sure, sounds good | 14:03 |
| bauzas | mriedem: +1 | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to add an Ocata BP for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ series | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: I'll create one. | 14:04 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: too late | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | oh, ok edleafe can :) | 14:04 |
| edleafe | already called it | 14:04 |
| edleafe | :-P | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:04 |
| mriedem | just ping me | 14:04 |
| mriedem | and i'll approve it | 14:04 |
| edleafe | sure | 14:04 |
| alex_xu | the traits API spec was update https://review.openstack.org/345138 | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: yup, currently re-reviewing that one. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/345138 | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: thanks | 14:05 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: saw your replies - will review again later | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: cool, thanks | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | and there's a spec for performance improvement for get_all_host_states | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | I'd love some review on both nested resource providers and custom resource classes work. | 14:06 |
| Yingxin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345874 | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: link? | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nested-resource-providers | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/custom-resource-classes | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nested-resource-providers | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/custom-resource-classes | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | heh, thanks ed | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: hey, it helps me remember what I need to review | 14:07 |
| edleafe | Any others? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | the resource classes spec isn't approved? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | And a reminder: it helps to add those to the agenda *before* the meeting so that they can be reviewed ahead of time | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: nope AFAKK | 14:08 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696/ | 14:08 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: are you and dansmith on the same page about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312696/ ? | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no, I've been working on *code* not spec to prove it out, since lots of folks at the midcycle complained about too much focus on the specs and not enough on code. | 14:08 |
| dansmith | yeah, and I've reviewed some of that code | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: the code is what dansmith has been reviewing. been waiting on more reviews on that before I update the spec. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: do you think it should still be an enum now that custom classes are a thing? | 14:09 |
| dansmith | edleafe: it's not an enum anymore | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: it's no longer an enum... it's a StringField. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | ah, ok | 14:09 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: dansmith: ok i guess we need to sort out the bp then, since it's not approved | 14:09 |
| edleafe | the version I had the field was still BaseEnum | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | I need to push another rev that fixes up the test_objects.py and updates the version, but that should be done shortly. | 14:10 |
| mriedem | so i guess we're saying, approve the bp, review the code, write the spec afterward as a doc artifact? | 14:10 |
| edleafe | caused all sorts of problems changing ALL to STANDARD | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: that works for me. | 14:10 |
| mriedem | dansmith: ^? | 14:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: that sounds fine to me, but I was just getting a little spec tired | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:10 |
| bauzas | mriedem: jaypipes: I'd rather love to see an updated spec saying that is an implementation detail | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: though it's more "update the spec afterward" instead of "write the spec afterward" | 14:10 |
| edleafe | Isn't a spec to keep from writing dead-end code? | 14:11 |
| dansmith | cripes | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: jaypipes: so we could +A the spec, and then discuss on the implementation detail afterwards | 14:11 |
| bauzas | during the change review | 14:11 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that sounds saner to me | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I wrote 9 specs -- and the accompanying hell of reviews/revisions -- last cycle. Feedback at the midcycle was I focused too much on specs and not enough on code. trying to change that now. | 14:11 |
| mriedem | if there is momentum i don't want to stifle this | 14:11 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: agreed | 14:11 |
| dansmith | mriedem: +1 | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i use the spec as a reference to review a thing i haven't been involved in, | 14:12 |
| mriedem | but if dansmith is on this right now i'll just approve the bp | 14:12 |
| mriedem | and the spec can be updated later | 14:12 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: but I think the problem is that the specs had too much detail, and were being reviewed like they were code | 14:12 |
| bauzas | we have a process ? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | my guess is the spec is overly detailed and it was getting bogged down in that | 14:12 |
| bauzas | I mean, if we say that needs a spec, then let's update the spec, remove that detail and accept that | 14:12 |
| bauzas | sure, some details are probably nitty | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | The process is supposed to *help* development, right? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | and I don't want to have jaypipes working during all the cycle about the specs | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | but there is also something we say about having at least the design written in specs | 14:13 |
| bauzas | but like I said, discussing about the format of that field seems a detail to mre | 14:14 |
| bauzas | me | 14:14 |
| dansmith | bauzas: how about you update the spec to remove all the detail while we work on the code? maybe they can be merged in parallel then, | 14:14 |
| bauzas | not really a design point | 14:14 |
| dansmith | if the impl details are out | 14:14 |
| bauzas | dansmith: okay, I can do that | 14:14 |
| dansmith | otherwise I'm kinda sick of delaying the code for things that have to be figured out in code just so we can write them as text first | 14:14 |
| edleafe | I can chip in too | 14:14 |
| mriedem | bp is approved | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | Let's move on then | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:15 |
| pkholkin | I have one thing to propose | 14:15 |
| pkholkin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381912 | 14:16 |
| pkholkin | similar one was merged for Juno (but for images only) | 14:16 |
| pkholkin | the link in the spec | 14:16 |
| edleafe | pkholkin: Do you have any questions, or just want some eyeballs on that? | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | the latter I think | 14:16 |
| pkholkin | I don't have questions now, just a presentation for now) because there were no reviews except alaski | 14:17 |
| edleafe | pkholkin: ok, thanks - just wanted to make sure | 14:17 |
| pkholkin | want reviews/opinions | 14:17 |
| pkholkin | I want to implement this in Ocata | 14:17 |
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| pkholkin | PoC is ready, too, the link is in the spec | 14:17 |
| pkholkin | I decided to make another review and bp for this | 14:18 |
| edleafe | pkholkin: ok, added to my review list | 14:18 |
| pkholkin | ok, thanks | 14:19 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | First up : summit topics | 14:19 |
| edleafe | We have two slots for scheduler/placement, right mriedem? | 14:19 |
| * edleafe hasn't checked recently | 14:19 | |
| mriedem | edleafe: yes | 14:20 |
| mriedem | first is quantitative, | 14:20 |
| mriedem | 2nd is traits | 14:20 |
| edleafe | cool | 14:20 |
| mriedem | 3 slots if you count the retrospective | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Are we still good with those two topics? | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | (asking the group) | 14:20 |
| mriedem | btw the etherpads are up | 14:20 |
| mriedem | so can start filling in the agenda | 14:20 |
| edleafe | OK, next up: Cells awareness in scheduler | 14:22 |
| edleafe | alaski: around? | 14:22 |
| pkholkin | I think no | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381275/ | 14:23 |
| edleafe | The spec looks good, but there are a lot of "to be figured out later" sections | 14:23 |
| edleafe | It would be good to get some more reviews on that | 14:24 |
| edleafe | pre-summit | 14:24 |
| edleafe | I had one other thing to discuss | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Should we have this meeting next week? I don't know if people will be too busy one week before the summit | 14:24 |
| edleafe | I'll be available to run it | 14:25 |
| edleafe | The silence is deafening! | 14:26 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I'd rather ask what could be the objective | 14:26 |
| mriedem | might as well leave it here | 14:26 |
| mriedem | if there is nothing to talk about, then end early | 14:26 |
| mriedem | you might want to double check on summit prep | 14:26 |
| edleafe | OK, I'll keep it just in case last-minute questions come up | 14:26 |
| bauzas | maybe | 14:26 |
| edleafe | So are we done? | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | yes from me :) | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 14:27:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-10-14.00.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-10-14.00.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-10-14.00.log.html | 14:27 |
| edleafe | Thanks everyone! | 14:27 |
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| macsz | Tkanka :) | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | thx edleafe :) | 14:28 |
| pkholkin | thanks! | 14:28 |
| macsz | Thanks * | 14:28 |
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| dbite | Alright, any suggestions for the current release? I will do repeat tests on Arch, Fedora, Mac OS X (the one shipped this week) and do a one time run on Windows and test the same. | 18:27 |
| dbite | For both KVM and VirtualBox. | 18:27 |
| julen | guys... it's probably not the best moment to bring this topic up, but it would be really cool if we would figure out how to speed up the install process a little bit | 18:27 |
| dbite | Additionally I will test the same with PXE and normal installation. | 18:27 |
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| dbite | julen: Sounds like another good topic for the summit! | 18:28 |
| julen | dbite: I just tried the normal cluster in Ubuntu and it seems to work fine | 18:28 |
| dbite | julen: Thanks for bringing this up. I think we should aim for this with the python port. | 18:28 |
| rluethi | julen: there are a few places where we have weird pauses, but other than that I doubt we can speed up the process much unless we want to start distributing preinstalled images. | 18:29 |
| dbite | julen: Awesome, could you run the repeat tests overnight or for 5-8 hours and see how many times it was successful? | 18:29 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting Barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 20:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | Hello Barbicaneers! | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | the few, the proud, the dedicated meeting attendees \o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | small group, short agenda today. | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | as usual the agenda is here: | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic action item review | 20:03 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | i don't have an update on these. i think we might need to reboot on the action items at the summit. (most of the AIs are left over from the midcycle) | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | does anyone have an action item update? | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | or know of an action item that needs action by me or someone else? | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic upcoming design summits | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-pike-ptg | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-pike-ptg | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | please update the the barcelona wiki page with any more session ideas. i'll roughly slot them in our available times. | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | save the date in February for the Pike Design Summit in Atlanta. | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | any thoughts or comments on these? | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | moving on to the good stuff.... | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic LBaaS user context | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "LBaaS user context (Meeting topic: Barbican)" | 20:09 | |
| dave-mccowan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1592612 | 20:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592612 in neutron "LBaaS TLS is not working with non-admin tenant" [Undecided,New] | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | a couple weeks ago someone dropped in the channel saying that LBaaS was broken. someone helped debug it. i think it's working as designed (after all the other bug fixes have been patched). | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | but, if you see in the launchpad comments, @johannes has an idea to save user context for LBaaS. | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | any thoughts on this? (i see to recall a long discussion on this eons ago maybe?) | 20:12 |
| johnsom | o/ from LBaaS/Octavia Just joining | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | hi johnsom ! | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Also just joining | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | (Also from LBaaS / Octavia ) | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: I mentioned this but in the LBaaS channel | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | but -> bug | 20:13 |
| woodster_ | is the ask to save user info on the container or consumer? | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | is this something we want to do? (i guess the code won't be in barbican. but it would be nice to have cross-project gates and documentation so everyone knows how this is supposed to work and that it stays working) | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | woodster_ i think the suggestion is to save the user context from the client and pass it through LBaaS, then through Barbican/Castellan client, to get permissions to the container and secrets. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Which client in this case? | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | The neutron client? The barbican client? | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | now, the barbican user has to define an ACL to give the LBaaS user (admin/admin by default) access to the secret. | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | That's correct. | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | the neutron client, i guess. whatever starts the LBaaS listener i think. | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | It's also a pretty terrible user experience. | 20:17 |
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| sbalukoff | So, part of the problem here lies in the fact that LBaaS / Octavia may need to access the secrets at a time when the user isn't actively deploying a load balancer that requires a secret. That is to say, in a fail-over situation, LBaaS / Octavia will need to access the secret. | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | sbalukoff johnsom is there ask of barbican on this? i think the change will all be in neturon, right? | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | So, when you say, "save the user context" do you actually mean we save something to the database? | 20:18 |
| johnsom | But failover would work if they granted us permission to the container right? | 20:18 |
| johnsom | I have not seen this bug before, so I'm still coming up to speed on it, sorry. | 20:19 |
| woodster_ | I recall the idea of ACLs was to grant specific users access to secrets...so the user grants the LBaaS service user access correct? | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | woodster_: Yes, and by default that's admin/admin | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | However! | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | A normal user might not know the admin's ID. | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | And the ACL system works off IDs and not names. | 20:20 |
| johnsom | If I understand right, the proposed fix is to take the user context and use that to add permission for the LBaaS account to access the content. Is that what I'm hearing here? | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | (that's the second bug referenced and called a "scary hack" in the one you linked.) | 20:20 |
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| sbalukoff | Yeah, if we use the user's credentials to create an ACL on their behalf, that would work. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | And yes, to do this we'd need the context passed through somehow. | 20:21 |
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| woodster_ | I recall that coming up early on in discussions with rm_work. I thought the idea was to go thru a UI to upload the secret (sorry, thinking Rackspace workflow here, but could be Horizon), and then that intermediate service would stamp the right user info on there. Sorry, it's been a long time :\ | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | And in any case, that seems less scary than turning the 'neutron' user into a key admin account in barbican that can simply access all secrets on any project without having to have permission explicitly granted. | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I don't want Octavia to have open access to barbican content. It kind of defeats the purpose. | 20:23 |
| woodster_ | I also recall rm_work wanting to have another role introduced to barbican, like a secret-reader role, to restrict this access | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | I also don't want to make deploying TLS-terminated load balancers something that can only be done through the UI. | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | sbalukoff: makes sense | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Yeah, sadly we just missed rm_work being online by a few hours. | 20:24 |
| johnsom | Ok, reading through this. I think you are right that this is more of an LBaaS/Octavia bug than Barbican at this point. I have added Octavia to the projects affected | 20:25 |
| dave-mccowan | do we want to take some time to research and understand history? we can follow up later on IRC or at the summit. | 20:26 |
| johnsom | Yes, probably a good idea. The three of us, rm_work included will be at the summit | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | johnsom great! we can give time in a barbican work session, if that's the right place. | 20:27 |
| johnsom | Ok, sounds good | 20:27 |
| johnsom | Is that time slot scheduled already? | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Er... also, if y'all could make time to handle this bug, this would help solve a security concern for us: https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1629511 | 20:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1629511 in Barbican "API get requests should list secret owner's project_id" [Undecided,New] | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | not specifically, we can use part of one of our friday sessions: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | (Sorry to switch subjects on you; But... eh... since we're here, and you're here and we have your ear....) | 20:29 |
| johnsom | Ok, I will watch that space. | 20:29 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic add more owner info to secret meta data | 20:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1629511 | 20:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1629511 in Barbican "API get requests should list secret owner's project_id" [Undecided,New] | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | woodster_, thoughts? | 20:30 |
| * woodster_ taking a look.... | 20:31 | |
| dave-mccowan | sbalukoff thanks. we'll look at it. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic postgres SQL bug fix | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383577 | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | we need some reviews on this one ASAP. it turns out we've been broken using postgres database for a while now. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | that patch should fix it. | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | dave-mccowan: Thanks! Ok, I'mma go back to my LBaaS corner. Have a good rest of your meeting, eh! | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | sbalukoff johnsom thanks for joining. now i know i can always summon you with the term "lbaas" :-D | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: adding metadata to the response doesn't seem bad to me. It'd be an issue if were were defcore certified (would require a version bump) but don't think that affects us. We'd just have to make sure the client don't break adding this data to the response | 20:34 |
| johnsom | Sure, NP | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | johnsom: sbalukoff take care | 20:35 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan just reviewed the SQL bug fix, Looks Good :) | 20:35 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | woodster_ sounds like a good Ocata blueprint. i don't think it's something we can backport, even though it addresses a security concern. | 20:38 |
| * woodster_ would be nice to have a PostgreSQL gate test :) | 20:38 | |
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| diazjf | dave-mccowan seems as though theres an error with the postgre gate. I merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383577 since its valid and does not affect MYSQL gate | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: not sure about the backport side of things | 20:38 |
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| dave-mccowan | woodster_ there's an experimental gate job for postgres now. i just kicked off a test of it before the meeting. | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: nice! | 20:39 |
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| dave-mccowan | http://logs.openstack.org/77/383577/1/experimental/gate-barbican-simple-crypto-devstack-dsvm-postgres/97562fd/ | 20:39 |
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| dave-mccowan | still needs some debugging | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | here's another run, that seemed to get farther. | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | http://logs.openstack.org/99/381099/1/experimental/gate-barbican-simple-crypto-devstack-dsvm-postgres/f3c23a7/console.html | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | that's all i have this week. thanks! see you all later! | 20:42 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 20:43:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-10-20.00.html | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-10-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-10-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
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| Carolbarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 21:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| Carolbarrett | Hi - Who's here for the Product WG Meeting? | 21:00 |
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| KrishR | o\ | 21:01 |
| pchadwick | hello | 21:01 |
| leong | o/ | 21:01 |
| Carolbarrett | You can find the agenda here | 21:01 |
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| Carolbarrett | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Product_WG | 21:02 |
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| Carolbarrett | i meant here | 21:02 |
| Carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| GeraldK | hello | 21:02 |
| Carolbarrett | Let's start with our working session in Barcelona | 21:02 |
| MadhuKashyap | Hi | 21:02 |
| Carolbarrett | #topic BCN Working Session Planning | 21:02 |
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| Carolbarrett | Hi GeraldK and MadhuKashyapp | 21:03 |
| Carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN | 21:03 |
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| Carolbarrett | Looking at the etherpad, it looks like defining Ocata Goals and Defining PWG's role in the Forum are high interest | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:04 |
| Carolbarrett | we have time for 1 more topic - what do you think? | 21:04 |
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| shamail | hi everyone | 21:04 |
| Carolbarrett | Hi Shamail | 21:05 |
| GeraldK | going through the user stories seems to be important as this is a core part of the PWG | 21:05 |
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| MadhuKashyap | Just wondering if PWG's role at Forum events should be in the BoF | 21:06 |
| shamail | MadhuKashyap: It’s more of an open item (e.g. working topic) as we haven’t had a chance to agree on our role yet | 21:07 |
| Carolbarrett | Our working session is before the BoF, so if we do have something we want to share about our role, we can add it. | 21:08 |
| shamail | Carolbarrett: +1 | 21:08 |
| Carolbarrett | Do we want to include User Stories as the 3rd topic? If so, what | 21:08 |
| Carolbarrett | angle would we want to take? | 21:08 |
| Carolbarrett | I'm just thinking that the design summit wouldn't have concluded so the leads of the top 5 user stories probably won't have an update | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | review the status of user stories we are currating now? the 5 we did for newton. | 21:09 |
| shamail | I’d rather defer user stories to an IRC meeting (IMHO) since that topic is fairly easy to discuss via IRC | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | discuss how many new stories we can take on our plate for Ocata. | 21:10 |
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| shamail | thats reasonable Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:10 |
| GeraldK | yes. IMHO, reflecting the current top 5 user stories and see what we have achieved could be a good topic. IMHO, our reach during the Summit would be greater compared to IRC meetings. | 21:10 |
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| Carolbarrett | We could review our capacity, revisit the list, identify what's done (maybe rolling upgrades?) and then prioritize to get to our capacity? | 21:11 |
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| shamail | Carolbarrett: +1 | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | <Carolbarrett +1 | 21:12 |
| GeraldK | +1 | 21:12 |
| GeraldK | also check what's missing, what did not went that well. | 21:12 |
| MadhuKashyap | It would be good to make progress with existing user stories instead of discussing new user stories IMO | 21:12 |
| Carolbarrett | MadhuKashyap: I agree completing user stories takes time and persistence. If we have capacity in the team to advocate for more, would like to get that going. | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | By capacity - do we mean this groups capacity or what we think is capable in the broader technical community? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. But we should get new members from Telco. HPC and other user community if they understand and accept the process. | 21:13 |
| Carolbarrett | +1 | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | Ok - so this team's capacity. | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | thanks. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:14 |
| Carolbarrett | Are we set? Lines 22-25 in the etherpad? | 21:15 |
| shamail | Carolbarrett: I had just added “Discuss the role of PWG as a market research consultant for project teams” | 21:15 |
| shamail | Sorry for the late addition | 21:15 |
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| Carolbarrett | If so, are there volunteers to lead the discussion for each topic? Pls add your name to the topic in the etherpad. | 21:15 |
| shamail | I added this topic due to a request from the Swift PTL | 21:15 |
| shamail | I added it after the vote though | 21:16 |
| Carolbarrett | Shamail: That's a good one. We could add an Open Discussion section to the agenda. As time permits we could cover them...? | 21:16 |
| shamail | Perfect | 21:16 |
| shamail | I wouldn’t expect this to be more than 5 min | 21:16 |
| Carolbarrett | OK - Do we also want to add roadmap self-service approach to this discussion list? | 21:17 |
| shamail | Please sign up on lines 23-27 :) | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | carol can you post etherpad piinter again? | 21:17 |
| shamail | We can add it under opens as well | 21:17 |
| * shamail just realized that our roadmap timeframe will change as well since it is release align | 21:18 | |
| Carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN | 21:18 |
| Carolbarrett | Shamail: Good point! Have added a discussion on timing and self-service to the list | 21:18 |
| shamail | thanks | 21:19 |
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| pchadwick | shamail: What does "self-service" mean or is that what you want to discuss in BCN? | 21:19 |
| rocky_g | ola! | 21:19 |
| Carolbarrett | Anything else on our Working Session in Barcelona? | 21:20 |
| Carolbarrett | Hi RocjkyG | 21:20 |
| Carolbarrett | oops - RockyG | 21:20 |
| shamail | pchadwick: It means building a process where project teams can input to roadmap as part of release process | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | shamail: thanks. | 21:20 |
| shamail | e.g. create RST template that can be submitted to our repo by project teams instead of us reaching out to them | 21:20 |
| shamail | pchadwick: np | 21:20 |
| Carolbarrett | We still need more volunteers to lead discussions.... | 21:22 |
| Carolbarrett | moving to the next topic | 21:22 |
| Carolbarrett | #Topic Review BoF slides | 21:22 |
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| Carolbarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12C16giMZ_XOcG36aD-O7k0P498Yn6gZuTs8ndfG3hsE/edit?usp=sharing | 21:22 |
| shamail | LOL @ “We really, really want to herd cats ;-)” | 21:22 |
| Carolbarrett | It's a good one....and certainly a role most of us play much of our days... | 21:23 |
| shamail | Carolbarrett: Is HP still involved | 21:23 |
| Carolbarrett | On Slide 2 - I think the proposal was to outline the discussion that led to the formation...hidden influencers, etc. | 21:24 |
| Carolbarrett | Shamail: Yes, MadhuKashyap is with HPE | 21:24 |
| shamail | Cool :) | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will need to update Dell logo and replace with DellEMC one. | 21:24 |
| Carolbarrett | We've come a long way from Atlanta and hidden influencers. What do you all think about that slide? | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: you probably have the best context for that no? | 21:25 |
| Carolbarrett | pchadwick: Shamail and Rocky have the background too | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | thanks. | 21:25 |
| shamail | I think we can remove slide 2, we have been going long enough that the context for why this was formed is less important than what it is we do and why | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | great question. How much do we influence our developers to work on our prioritized user stories. | 21:26 |
| shamail | IMHO: Remove slide 2, leave slide 3 | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail +1 | 21:26 |
| Carolbarrett | +1 | 21:26 |
| Carolbarrett | pchadwick: Are you OK with that? | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | Or we just take bullet 3 from slide 3 and move it to slide 2. | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | like so | 21:28 |
| Carolbarrett | works for me | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | I am in favor of more slides with less density. | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that bullet is already covered on slide 4 | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: 4 is the logos, do you mean 5? | 21:30 |
| Carolbarrett | I updated slide 3 to remove redundancy | 21:30 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes 5. | 21:30 |
| shamail | We can turn slide 5 into a “how we do it” | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | shamail: +1 | 21:31 |
| Carolbarrett | +1 | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. that slide 2 can be removed. We can say all these bullets on slide 4 (really 4) where we have diagram and bullets on the left | 21:31 |
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| pchadwick | Why do you want to remove slide 2? | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think all bullets of sldie 2 are covered on flow of slide 4. I am OK to repeat the message. | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Slide 2 is the group goal. Sldie 4 shows what we are doing to macth it | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:33 |
| MadhuKashyap | Slide 5 looks more like a workflow | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that is slide 4 - workflow | 21:34 |
| Carolbarrett | I agree, slide 5 is the how we do slide 2 and 3 | 21:34 |
| shamail | Yeah, I can update slide 5 to show workflow and build slide 6 to seperate roadmap out if that makes sense | 21:35 |
| Carolbarrett | Shamail: Do you have an update work flow from our NYC midcycle? | 21:35 |
| pchadwick | I think that Arkady starts counting slide with the title slide as 0 | 21:35 |
| shamail | Not yet, I can put one together this week | 21:35 |
| Carolbarrett | Shamail - Thanks | 21:36 |
| Carolbarrett | pchadwick: LOL - his engineering is showing | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am seeing only 6 slides including title one - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtM4AiszlEyWnhITHBSMjE3R3M/view | 21:36 |
| GeraldK | slide 5 currently shows the ideal work flow. what about reviews, gates, going back to an earlier step, and the like? | 21:36 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12C16giMZ_XOcG36aD-O7k0P498Yn6gZuTs8ndfG3hsE/edit#slide=id.p9 | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | Ah - now it makes sense. | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks shamail | 21:37 |
| shamail | n[ | 21:38 |
| shamail | np | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I followed the link from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we need to update it to point to latest | 21:38 |
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| Carolbarrett | ahhh - I'll delete that section from the etherpad | 21:38 |
| Carolbarrett | let's keep going - only 20 mins left | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is redhat really droped? I recalled Steve Gordon show pu once in a while... | 21:39 |
| Carolbarrett | Want to look at slides 7 & 8 | 21:39 |
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| shamail | I really like slide 7 | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for slide 5 do we want a table in left low corner to be specific to shorter Ocata cycle? | 21:40 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on slide 7 | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | I think we can just say that we will run a shorter cycle | 21:41 |
| Carolbarrett | Arkady_Kanevsky: Yes, I think we need to rework the timeline given Ocata cycle | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | But I assume that Ocata is an anomaly | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or maybe have a slide that is specific to ocata while keeping current slide 5 as generic one | 21:42 |
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| Carolbarrett | On slide 7 - does anyone have info to add to the Newton or Ocata/Pike sections? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Expect Pike to be shorter also till we lined up forum and summit | 21:42 |
| MadhuKashyap | Nothing on Capacity Management for slide 7? | 21:42 |
| pchadwick | and given that: a - Ocata is mostly maintenance so we likely won't have much added and b - we will go back to this flow for Pike, I would leave it as is. | 21:42 |
| rocky_g | I think we should use the summit to work on the timeline | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ok with that. Carol and Shamail and verbal state what is being planned for Ocata and Pike | 21:43 |
| KrishR | MadhuKashyap: feel free to start adding Capacity Mgmt details on slide 7 - I didn't have the info | 21:43 |
| Carolbarrett | I'm good with that approach for slide 5 - speakers notes that the cycle will be shorter for Ocata | 21:43 |
| shamail | same | 21:44 |
| Carolbarrett | MadhuKashyap: Do we have accomplishments around Capacity Management to list? | 21:44 |
| MadhuKashyap | Sorry, I don't know for the Newton release. | 21:44 |
| Carolbarrett | KrishR: Thoughts | 21:45 |
| Carolbarrett | ? | 21:45 |
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| Carolbarrett | On Slide 7 - I think Keystone has also implemented Rolling Upgrades in Newton | 21:45 |
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| Carolbarrett | Leong: Are you here? | 21:46 |
| leong | yes | 21:46 |
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| Carolbarrett | can you add the info into slide 7 for HA and bare metal? | 21:46 |
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| KrishR | Carolbarrett: I'll ahve to do some research on Capacity mgmt; also, you're right about RU for Keystone, and I think Cinder didnt make it at the end | 21:47 |
| Carolbarrett | OK - I added Keystone. Will leave the Cinder update to you to check out | 21:47 |
| Carolbarrett | What about slide 8? | 21:47 |
| leong | yes for Baremetal... | 21:47 |
| Carolbarrett | Who is the best person to update for HA? | 21:48 |
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| leong | as for HA_VM, probably pchadwick? | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | yes I can follow up on that. | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | how is slide 8 different from slide 7? | 21:49 |
| Carolbarrett | Thanks - updated comment on the slide | 21:49 |
| KrishR | pchadwick: thanks; i was going to ask if you could talk to Adam and get an update | 21:49 |
| Carolbarrett | I think slide 8 covers non-user story contributions | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | krishr: I will | 21:49 |
| shamail | MadhuKashyap: would you like to take over leading capacity management? I was owning it to continue refinement until we had enough momentum for resource allocation | 21:50 |
| MadhuKashyap | Shamail, Can we take it offline? Not sure how much work is involved. I don't mind though... | 21:51 |
| shamail | Sure, glad to email you about it! Thanks. | 21:51 |
| Carolbarrett | I propose we delete slide 8, unless we want to use it to say more about the Community Roadmap...? | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | We cover it on slide 5. | 21:53 |
| rocky_g | +1 | 21:53 |
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| shamail | Yeah, that was the plan.. make slide 5 cover both input/output | 21:54 |
| shamail | e.g. stories workflow and roadmap | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | Slide 7 is good because it shows specific accomplishments. | 21:54 |
| shamail | yeah | 21:55 |
| Carolbarrett | +1 | 21:55 |
| GeraldK | +1 | 21:55 |
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| Carolbarrett | But it only represents user stories - not the other PTL/Project feedback we provide or impact through the roadmap | 21:55 |
| Carolbarrett | I'm OK with that, though more help on the roadmap would be good. | 21:55 |
| shamail | Carolbarrett: Are you thinking we should highlight roadmap beyond slide 5? | 21:56 |
| KrishR | Carolbarrett: agreed we need to talk about roadmap process in addition to user stories | 21:56 |
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| Carolbarrett | If we can articulate the value/impact of the Roadmap, then I think we should include it | 21:56 |
| pchadwick | carollbarrett: or are you thinking of using slide 8 as "here is where you can get involved"? | 21:56 |
| shamail | That might be difficult, I can ask the web team if they have stats on downloads | 21:57 |
| Carolbarrett | shamail: That would be good - I wonder if there's anything from the press/analyst sessions that we could use to showcase the value | 21:58 |
| shamail | ah good point | 21:58 |
| shamail | there might be something there | 21:59 |
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| Carolbarrett | pchadwick: not sure I'm following your Slide 8 comment | 21:59 |
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| pchadwick | Your comment "though more help on the roadmap would be good." | 22:00 |
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| Carolbarrett | Gotcha - yea, that would be good to include there | 22:00 |
| MadhuKashyap | If we are done with the slides then I do have one question. I sent out to the PWG ML an email with a couple of new user stories to the capacity mgmt user story. Should the next step be to submit a review patch? | 22:00 |
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| Carolbarrett | MadhuKashyap: I saw that, but haven't dug into yet. Yes, I think that's a good next step. | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I was not able to see attachments for it | 22:01 |
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| MadhuKashyap | Carolbarrett: Thank you | 22:01 |
| Carolbarrett | We're out of time for today. Pls add coments/changes to the slides during the week and we'll finalize in our team meeting next week. | 22:01 |
| Carolbarrett | Thanks all | 22:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I had updated one of my patches so they are ready for review | 22:01 |
| Carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 22:01:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-10-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-10-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-10-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| rocky_g | I'll take a look, Arkady_Kanevsky | 22:02 |
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