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EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 14:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
EmilienM | hello | 14:00 |
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rbrady | hi | 14:01 |
jrist | o/ | 14:01 |
qasims | hi | 14:01 |
dtrainor | howdy | 14:01 |
jtomasek | \m/ | 14:01 |
pradk | o/ | 14:01 |
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qasims | o/ | 14:01 |
beagles | hi | 14:01 |
shadower | hey | 14:01 |
bandini | o/ | 14:01 |
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cdearborn | o/ | 14:01 |
trown | o/ | 14:01 |
jrist | can you guys tell dtrainor is from way out west | 14:01 |
matbu | o/ | 14:01 |
adarazs | o/ | 14:01 |
hrybacki | o/ | 14:01 |
jpich | o/ | 14:01 |
dprince | hi | 14:01 |
* dtrainor tips his hat | 14:01 | |
chem | o/ | 14:01 |
ccamacho | hey! o/ | 14:01 |
weshay | 0/ | 14:01 |
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dtantsur | o/ | 14:01 |
jistr | o/ | 14:01 |
shadower | jrist: I thought howdy was a Texas thing | 14:02 |
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jrist | west/south | 14:02 |
slagle | hi | 14:02 |
dtrainor | better known as "southwest" | 14:02 |
shadower | lol | 14:02 |
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EmilienM | welcome everyone! | 14:02 |
EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:03 |
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EmilienM | * CI | 14:03 |
EmilienM | * bugs | 14:03 |
EmilienM | * projects releases or stable backports | 14:03 |
EmilienM | * specs | 14:03 |
EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:03 |
EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:03 |
EmilienM | during the meeting, feel free to add more off items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:03 |
marios | o/ | 14:03 |
EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:03 |
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matbu | for CI i have 2 topics | 14:04 |
EmilienM | it seems like derekh and panda worked on fixing an issue with OVB jobs, I saw some successful runs | 14:04 |
akrivoka | hi \o | 14:04 |
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EmilienM | this morning, I also saw some transient issues on multinode jobs with something trying to reach EPEL servers (wtf?) | 14:05 |
mwhahaha | hi | 14:05 |
EmilienM | it seems fixed now, (I have no idea why yet) | 14:05 |
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matbu | 1/ looks like the mitaka periodic is broken for a while (september 30), idk how to solve, but i can help | 14:05 |
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EmilienM | so I guess you can use 'recheck' if some jobs were failing | 14:05 |
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EmilienM | matbu: yes, I started to investigate it last week and found 2 problems | 14:05 |
EmilienM | matbu: one was networking-cisco package that were depending on python-neutron-tests, now fixed | 14:06 |
matbu | 2/ since https://review.openstack.org/383825 is landed i switch the upgrade from newton to master, i would like to propose 2 jobs one mitaka to newton and newton to master (but idk if mitaka to newton make sense actually ?) | 14:06 |
EmilienM | another was unknown and requires more investigation. | 14:06 |
matbu | EmilienM: those make the undercloud install failling ? | 14:06 |
EmilienM | matbu: maybe could you sync with slagle who is doing similar work for undercloud AFIK | 14:07 |
EmilienM | matbu: yes, eventually | 14:07 |
matbu | EmilienM: ack | 14:07 |
EmilienM | matbu: it was making neutron-db-manage failing | 14:07 |
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EmilienM | but I've been off 3 days, I might need to catch-up on this Mitaka failure. | 14:07 |
slagle | matbu: i have a patch to make undercloud upgrades tested: https://review.openstack.org/381286 | 14:08 |
matbu | EmilienM: k, afaik it start to failing on OC deployment and then UC | 14:08 |
matbu | slagle: thx /me looks | 14:08 |
slagle | matbu: if you wanted to add periodic jobs to make sure it's tested daily, i think that's a good idea | 14:08 |
matbu | so EmilienM slagle does it make sense to maintain a mitaka to newton job ? or should we switch to newton to master ? | 14:08 |
EmilienM | +1 for a periodic job, reporting results to some ML maybe | 14:09 |
slagle | matbu: we need both imo | 14:09 |
slagle | my patch adds support for both (or fixes, rather) | 14:09 |
matbu | slagle: EmilienM ack | 14:09 |
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EmilienM | do we have any question or useful information about CI ? | 14:10 |
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EmilienM | ok, let's go ahead then | 14:10 |
EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:11 |
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EmilienM | so we still have 3 bugs in progress for RC3 https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-rc3 | 14:11 |
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matbu | EmilienM: there is a new one | 14:12 |
matbu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1632330 | 14:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1632330 in tripleo "Undercloud upgrade fails on the yum update we run before undercloud is re installed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:12 |
marios | hi i filed this today https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1632330 with proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385012/1 - especially wanted to hear from bnemec about landing this as workaround until we get the proper undercloud upgrade moved to instack-undercloud as per the spec | 14:12 |
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marios | matbu: did you add info on the openstack-heat issue you saw there /me refresh | 14:12 |
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chem | EmilienM: and another https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1632232 | 14:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1632232 in tripleo "M/N upgrade: Cinder upgrade fails to converge." [Undecided,New] | 14:12 |
matbu | marios: not yet, i'm collecting info before running the UC upgrade | 14:12 |
marios | matbu: ack | 14:13 |
EmilienM | chem: could you self-triage it when filing a bug? | 14:13 |
EmilienM | chem: High - newton-rc3 | 14:13 |
chem | EmilienM: ack, oki | 14:13 |
EmilienM | marios: I thought we agreed to document this workaround | 14:13 |
slagle | marios: why do we need the workaround? | 14:13 |
EmilienM | slagle: do you remember this discussion wrt https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385012/ ? | 14:13 |
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marios | slagle: hanging service on yum update | 14:14 |
slagle | yes, we documented it | 14:14 |
slagle | so if you're hitting that issue, the docs aren't being followed | 14:14 |
EmilienM | http://tripleo.org/installation/installation.html#updating-undercloud-components | 14:15 |
slagle | we can add the support to instack-undercloud if we want to remove the documentation, but i dont think a workaround in tripleoclient is the right thing | 14:15 |
EmilienM | I agree we need to find a longterm solution | 14:15 |
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marios | slagle: OK... there was a docs review from bnemec as part of the spec i thought you were referring to that | 14:15 |
EmilienM | slagle: yes, +1 for i-u | 14:15 |
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bnemec | Yeah, this should eventually live in i-u, but the docs look sane right now. | 14:16 |
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marios | slagle: EmilienM if it is known that we should stop services before running the undercloud upgrade (docs are fine i missed that) then works for us | 14:16 |
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slagle | marios: yea, i'd suggest just using steps 3 thru 5 from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-docs/installation/installation.html#updating-undercloud-components | 14:16 |
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EmilienM | chem: triage done. | 14:16 |
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marios | slagle: EmilienM we just have the same in osp10 docs for upgrade | 14:16 |
slagle | then we dont need any workarounds, or any last minutes fixes as of now | 14:16 |
marios | slagle: ack wfm matbu chem... so we can rely on docs | 14:17 |
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EmilienM | chem: also please use newton-backport-potential tag in launchpad | 14:17 |
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dtrainor | re: bugs, We've seen this creep up when using the ui https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1632007 , to quote jtomasek "when GUI shows the parameter value, it displays it inside input and when this happens the string gets mangled". he picked it up but jistr mentioned that this might be a bigger issue being that we don't preserve data types properly | 14:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1632007 in tripleo "Failed deployment due to Hiera resolution of keystone::wsgi::apache::workers" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Jiri Tomasek (jtomasek) | 14:17 |
chem | EmilienM: oki, (couldn't set the milestone, neither the importance), adding the tag | 14:18 |
rhallisey | Bug I saw yesterday when updating: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1631976 | 14:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1631976 in tripleo "Updating fails with heatclient auth url attribute error" [Undecided,New] | 14:18 |
jtomasek | I am on it now, I'll mark that bug with newton-backport-potential tag | 14:18 |
social_ | I'd like to bring up https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1626128 as the fix we are delivering is changing command options eg api for the newton release. I think change is ok if we document it. | 14:19 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1626128 in tripleo "openstack overcloud update stack is broken" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Brad P. Crochet (brad-9) | 14:19 |
EmilienM | rhallisey: same, could you please make self triage of bugs | 14:19 |
EmilienM | it makes me think I might need to send a reminder again, about self triage in launchpad :( | 14:19 |
rhallisey | EmilienM, I don't have perms | 14:19 |
EmilienM | rhallisey: ask for it :) | 14:20 |
rhallisey | can you add me as a driver pls | 14:20 |
EmilienM | I'll see if I'm adming | 14:20 |
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EmilienM | admin* | 14:20 |
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EmilienM | #action EmilienM to add rhallisey and chem into launchpad tripleo group | 14:20 |
chem | EmilienM: can you add me as a bug supervisor pls | 14:20 |
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EmilienM | chem: i'll try :) | 14:20 |
chem | hehe | 14:20 |
EmilienM | social_: what is your question? | 14:22 |
social_ | EmilienM: are we ok with changing the overcloud update the way that --templates and -e will be ignored? | 14:22 |
EmilienM | social_: if it's documented, why not | 14:23 |
EmilienM | and it looks like it is, looking at the patch | 14:23 |
social_ | EmilienM: yeah got updated today, for me this is now OK | 14:23 |
EmilienM | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381899/12/tripleoclient/v1/overcloud_update.py | 14:23 |
EmilienM | ok | 14:23 |
EmilienM | anything else about bugs? | 14:23 |
EmilienM | please target new bugs to ocata-1 and use the newton-backport-potential tag if needed | 14:24 |
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EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:25 |
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EmilienM | I have some updates about release management | 14:25 |
EmilienM | I sent an email on Friday but let me repeat it here | 14:25 |
EmilienM | dhellmann sent an email about projects that use trailing release | 14:25 |
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EmilienM | so it seems that we have more time to produce a last RC (was scheduled on Friday) | 14:26 |
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EmilienM | I think we are in a good shape to propose RC3 by next week and tag final release just before the Summit | 14:27 |
EmilienM | so I'll propose RC3 early next week | 14:27 |
EmilienM | and the final release will be 20 Oct | 14:27 |
EmilienM | so if you have patches that we need in Newton, please use the gerrit topic: | 14:28 |
EmilienM | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tripleo/rc3+status:open | 14:28 |
EmilienM | also, please take care of your backports | 14:28 |
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EmilienM | if a patch merges in master, and we need the fix in Newton, please backport it to stable/newton | 14:28 |
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EmilienM | I saw a lot of patches merged in master, targeted for newton but not backported | 14:28 |
EmilienM | sorry to repeat but it doesn't seem clear to everyone | 14:29 |
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EmilienM | today I'll go through the patches and do the backports myself if I still see them not backported | 14:29 |
EmilienM | everything that is related to upgrades *needs* to be backported | 14:30 |
EmilienM | chem, marios, bandini ^ | 14:30 |
marios | EmilienM: ack | 14:30 |
bandini | EmilienM: ack | 14:30 |
mwhahaha | probably would be a good idea to come up with rules around who cherry-picks | 14:30 |
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EmilienM | mwhahaha: well, my hope is that patches owners would do it | 14:31 |
mwhahaha | like it should be the core's responsibility or the submitters (probably the core's) | 14:31 |
bandini | I have no outstanding patches that need cherry-picking atm | 14:31 |
dtrainor_ | this is a bad time to have connection issues, sorry | 14:31 |
mwhahaha | i think the cores would be better because they would hopefully have a better understanding if it should be in the previous release | 14:31 |
trown | I would think submitters responsibility as well | 14:31 |
mwhahaha | but we should codify it | 14:31 |
EmilienM | mwhahaha: it would be easier if submitters would do it, it's hard to catchup with all patches | 14:31 |
marios | mwhahaha: i feel like it should be the review author but anyone can propose a cherrypick really i don't think we need rules... important thing is not to land into earlier branch (stable/newton before master) | 14:31 |
mwhahaha | well since it's not happening, this is why i say come up with a standard rule | 14:32 |
marios | mwhahaha: i.e. you can't stop people proposing reviews, like cherrypicks... the rules are for when we land them | 14:32 |
trown | ya, +1 to having a standard | 14:32 |
mwhahaha | (i don't actually care who it is) we just need to make sure that expectation is clear | 14:32 |
EmilienM | mwhahaha: it means the cores would have to follow all merged patches and backport them? | 14:32 |
trown | marios, not so much a rule about who CAN submit them... more who is RESPONSIBLE for submitting them | 14:32 |
mwhahaha | other projects it's the cores | 14:32 |
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EmilienM | I would prefer to let authors to do it and cores to vote | 14:33 |
mwhahaha | EmilienM: the one who +A's could do it | 14:33 |
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bandini | +1 for having the authors submit it | 14:33 |
EmilienM | indeed, that's an option | 14:33 |
mwhahaha | i'm generally not seeing a whole bunch of people paying attention to reviews so to me i think it encourages more thought into the patches | 14:33 |
mwhahaha | but that's my opinion it it, we can take it off line | 14:34 |
trown | we do already have the rule that if a core submits a backport it only requires 1 +2, so in that sense it could make sense to have cores responsible | 14:34 |
EmilienM | I'm fine either way | 14:34 |
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slagle | i feel it's the author's responsibility tbh | 14:34 |
marios | yeah I would also back a general 'rule' for patch authors to also be responsible for proposing to stable... but again, we can't enforce that absolutely... if author doesn't care if her patch makes it to stable, just wants in on master for whatever reason | 14:34 |
slagle | just as it is is the author's responsibility to get the backport to pass CI | 14:35 |
slagle | how will they even know it's been backported if someone does it for them | 14:35 |
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EmilienM | slagle: they have gerrit notif | 14:35 |
marios | slagle: it is on the review as a cherrypick or should be (I mean gerrit ui)... personally i also notify the person if i've done that, e.g. is somethign urgent | 14:35 |
EmilienM | when someone backports a patch where you are author, Gerrit adds you as reviewer | 14:35 |
EmilienM | (in case you read Gerrit emails :-)) | 14:36 |
slagle | ok, so they know when the master patch merges then, so why does someone else need to propose the backport? | 14:36 |
marios | slagle: maybe timezone/still early for them and you can propose and merge it now | 14:36 |
mwhahaha | you have to understand people may fix bugs but not know it needs a backport | 14:36 |
mwhahaha | to be more community friendly i think the cores need to be more proactive | 14:36 |
mwhahaha | rather than assume the reviewer is going to know | 14:37 |
marios | mwhahaha: +1 only takes a second to ping someone and say you just backported foo | 14:37 |
EmilienM | maybe we can find a middleground here: cores to propose the backports and teach authors to do it themselves by communicating (IRC, etc) | 14:37 |
EmilienM | so longterm authors will do it themselves | 14:37 |
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marios | EmilienM: also can we bear in mind there is literally a button you click on the review and it will stable/branch review for you assuming no merge conflict | 14:37 |
marios | just sayin | 14:38 |
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mwhahaha | just something to keep in mind, i think we need to be more proactive on the bugs/backports/etc | 14:38 |
mwhahaha | it's honestly everyones responsibility | 14:38 |
* shardy is late, apologies | 14:38 | |
mwhahaha | so don't just assume it's someone elses problem | 14:38 |
EmilienM | mwhahaha: you ok to start documenting it in tripleo-specs? we have a doc for that, i'll chat with you after meeting | 14:38 |
shardy | meeting conflict | 14:39 |
mwhahaha | k | 14:39 |
EmilienM | shardy: np | 14:39 |
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EmilienM | #action mwhahaha & EmilienM to improve backport doc in tripleo-specs and get feedback from other cores | 14:39 |
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EmilienM | #action EmilienM to cherry-pick missing backports for newton rc3 | 14:40 |
EmilienM | anyone can help ^ | 14:40 |
EmilienM | I have a last update about release management | 14:40 |
EmilienM | this week-end I updated https://launchpad.net/tripleo/ocata with the deadlines for Ocata: a good FYI if you wonder about scheduling | 14:40 |
EmilienM | basically one milestone per month | 14:41 |
EmilienM | starting from november, then december, then january and February is final :-) | 14:41 |
EmilienM | so really short cycle this time. | 14:41 |
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EmilienM | any question or feedback about release management and backports? | 14:42 |
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shardy | EmilienM: I can help with backports | 14:42 |
EmilienM | shardy: cool, let's sync post meeting then, thanks | 14:42 |
EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:43 |
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EmilienM | we're running short time | 14:43 |
EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:43 |
EmilienM | we have some specs open, most of them are for ocata, I would ask authors to make sure specs are ready for review, so discussion can happen prior Summit | 14:44 |
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EmilienM | do we have anything about specs this week? | 14:44 |
EmilienM | #topic off items | 14:45 |
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EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:45 |
EmilienM | dtrainor: you want to start? | 14:45 |
dtrainor | Sure, thank you. I'm in the process of writing a spec which should be done today, but the jest of it is, make an Undercloud SSL-enabled whenever enable_ui = true. This enables haproxy, which will then be used to proxy connections for the API endpoint services that UI needs to talk with. These endpoints would listen on an external, routable IP address/interface as defined by a new undercloud.conf variable. | 14:45 |
dtrainor | This is something we've been trying to get working in a better manner for UI for a while and based on discussion on the list and testing various setups, this seems to be the most viable and least intrusive option | 14:45 |
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dtrainor | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/enable-communication-ui-undercloud | 14:46 |
dtrainor | (can I use link?) | 14:46 |
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jaosorior | dtrainor: isn't that functionality already available if you set the undercloud_public_vip variable from the undercloud.conf? You could set that to a public interface already and that's what HAProxy will use. | 14:46 |
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EmilienM | dtrainor: yes you can use link | 14:46 |
dtrainor | jaosorior, I'm not familiar with the finer details of undercloud_public_vip but i would love to look in to this. If undercloud_public_vip is configured, does this have any impact on any Overcloud components that expect to access it from the ctrlplane? | 14:47 |
EmilienM | I'm not sure "Essential" is the right priority | 14:47 |
EmilienM | maybe "High" ? | 14:47 |
dtrainor | without something like this, the ui will not work. jrist re: priority? | 14:48 |
jaosorior | dtrainor: the overcloud should be using the internal/admin endpoints, so it should be fine | 14:48 |
dtrainor | jaosorior, i'll test that, thank you | 14:48 |
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EmilienM | dtrainor: not a big deal, we can rediscuss it offline | 14:49 |
EmilienM | dtrainor: is it something we can do during ocata-1 ? | 14:49 |
EmilienM | I set the milestone, but feel free to propose a new one | 14:49 |
dtrainor | we would still need a server in haproxy to proxy traffic for ui to enable ssl, even if undercloud_public_vip opens these services up as we need them to be opened, i'd still like the option of making this work if that doesn't achieve what we're looking for (i'll of cours edo more testing) | 14:50 |
dtrainor | i'm certain it is yes | 14:50 |
EmilienM | ok | 14:50 |
EmilienM | dtrainor: does it requires a design change? if yes, maybe a tripleo-specs would be useful | 14:51 |
jaosorior | dtrainor: alright, lets see if that does the trick. Anyway, feel free to add me as a reviewer if you come up with some patches. Even if they're WIP | 14:51 |
dtrainor | EmilienM, I'm in the process of writing a spec | 14:51 |
EmilienM | dtrainor: nice. Thanks | 14:51 |
EmilienM | ok, let's move on | 14:51 |
EmilienM | shadower: go ahead | 14:51 |
dtrainor | if undercloud_public_vip solves this then i'd love for it to be in newton | 14:51 |
dtrainor | (sorry, wanted to add that) | 14:51 |
shadower | We've added the tripleo-validations repo in Newton | 14:52 |
dtrainor | thanks for the time | 14:52 |
shadower | right now it's just me and mandre who know it well | 14:52 |
EmilienM | dtrainor: np, sorry we're running out of time | 14:52 |
dtrainor | completely understood, thank you | 14:52 |
shadower | but we need other 8cores to review (as in +2/A) to get things merged | 14:52 |
jaosorior | dtrainor: undercloud_public_vip is already in newton :) | 14:52 |
EmilienM | shadower: I was wondering, would it be useful to put this doc in the repo itself? | 14:52 |
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EmilienM | like other python projects, in docs/ dir | 14:52 |
shadower | EmilienM: I think so, will do taht | 14:52 |
shadower | so the doc in question: | 14:52 |
dtrainor | jaosorior, yes it is, but i want to test this and make sure it will achieve what i was looking to do as defined in the blueprint (and whatever the spec ends up being) | 14:52 |
EmilienM | that would be documented on docs.openstack.org/developer/ | 14:52 |
shadower | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105364.html | 14:53 |
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EmilienM | shadower: or in tripleo-docs | 14:53 |
shadower | this ^ is a list of things you can look for when reviewing a tripleo-validations patch | 14:53 |
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shadower | would appreciate people having a look and reviewing tripleo-validations more | 14:53 |
EmilienM | or in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-validations/ | 14:53 |
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EmilienM | actually, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-validations/ would be the perfect place I think | 14:53 |
slagle | shadower: you can also add the repo here: http://tripleo.org/reviews.html | 14:54 |
shadower | slagle: ah, will do thanks | 14:54 |
slagle | shadower: via scripts/website/tripleo-reviewday.yaml in tripleo-ci | 14:54 |
shadower | EmilienM: I'd like to send a few patches for tripleo-docs shortly to talk about validations etc | 14:54 |
EmilienM | good | 14:54 |
EmilienM | more docs! | 14:54 |
shadower | and yeah add more specific stuff to the tripleo-validations docs | 14:54 |
shadower | YEP | 14:54 |
shadower | next week or so | 14:54 |
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shadower | in the meantime, people can get more familiar with the reviews by checking out the email | 14:55 |
shadower | that's it from me | 14:55 |
EmilienM | excellent, thanks | 14:55 |
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EmilienM | ok so my turn, I have 2 infos: | 14:55 |
EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tripleo | 14:55 |
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EmilienM | this is another reminder for our group to review the topics and prepare the agenda | 14:56 |
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EmilienM | I sent emails to topic chairs about it, and make sure we have an outcome for each session | 14:57 |
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EmilienM | for each session, we want to define the problem to solve and propose / discuss eventual solutions | 14:57 |
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EmilienM | that's what we need to prepare before the Summit | 14:57 |
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EmilienM | the other topic is PTG | 14:58 |
trown | EmilienM: I missed that email for "Growing the Team", or is that one good since we went through it together? | 14:58 |
EmilienM | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 14:58 |
EmilienM | trown: it's good :) | 14:58 |
trown | cool | 14:58 |
EmilienM | trown: iirc, I just sent an email on containers & upgrades | 14:58 |
EmilienM | just a reminder to marios / dprince etc to update etherpad | 14:59 |
marios | ack thanks EmilienM already had first pass | 14:59 |
trown | CI topic still needs a chair as well | 14:59 |
EmilienM | so I need to tell OpenStack foundation if tripleo needs PTG sessions | 14:59 |
trown | oh nevermind, I see slagle volunteered | 14:59 |
EmilienM | ok we're running overtime | 14:59 |
slagle | i can chair or co-chair the CI one if anyone else is eager | 14:59 |
EmilienM | slagle: ++ | 14:59 |
slagle | which i gather no one is since it was TBD :) | 15:00 |
EmilienM | I need to close the meeting | 15:00 |
EmilienM | open discussion on #tripleo, I'll stay available if anything | 15:00 |
EmilienM | thanks everyone ! | 15:00 |
ccamacho | thanks! | 15:00 |
EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 15:00:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
beagles | cheers | 15:00 |
trown | thanks for chairing | 15:00 |
jtomasek | thanks | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-10-11-14.00.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-10-11-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-10-11-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
jrist | o/ | 15:00 |
EmilienM | (I'll catch up the PTG thing after the meeting) | 15:00 |
shardy | thanks EmilienM ! | 15:00 |
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dtrainor | thank you EmilienM, great job | 15:01 |
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tmorin1 | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:07 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 15:07:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
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tmorin1 | hi everyone | 15:08 |
tmorin1 | hi bfernando, doude, lewo, matrohon, pcarver, timirnich ... | 15:08 |
doude | hi | 15:09 |
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tmorin1 | we'll wait a bit for matrohon | 15:13 |
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tmorin1 | but I can start with what he already knows | 15:13 |
tmorin1 | #topic announcements | 15:13 |
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tmorin1 | I've triggered yesterday a last mitaka release 4.0.2, including a pile of fixes among which the one merged end of last week (doude) | 15:15 |
tmorin1 | and after merges the last pending things for our newton.0 release, we've just asked for a release | 15:15 |
doude | thanks for the backport tmorin1 | 15:15 |
tmorin1 | you're welcome :) | 15:15 |
tmorin1 | I expect our 5.0.0 to be out very soon (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383624/) | 15:16 |
matrohon | hieulq_, sorry | 15:17 |
matrohon | hieulq_, sorry | 15:17 |
tmorin1 | we have one small horizon bug, but which can be fixed in a 5.0.1 (bug 1632264) | 15:18 |
openstack | bug 1632264 in networking-bgpvpn "horizon admin GUI: failure if there is one BGPVPN with non-existant tenant" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1632264 | 15:18 |
matrohon | hi sorry | 15:18 |
matrohon | :) | 15:18 |
tmorin1 | :) | 15:18 |
tmorin1 | I just explained the release work done/in progress | 15:18 |
tmorin1 | next topic ? | 15:19 |
tmorin1 | odl driver ? | 15:19 |
tmorin1 | #topic ODL driver | 15:19 |
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tmorin1 | we've hit an issue yestreday, where our gate was broken because of a broken DB migration script in ODL | 15:20 |
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tmorin1 | because we have odl as a test-requirement and we have a db migration test that runs every db hook installed in the venv | 15:20 |
tmorin1 | all this was quite easily worked around | 15:20 |
matrohon | yamahata, is on the patch too | 15:21 |
tmorin1 | but lead us to think that its probably time for ODL driver to move in networking-odl | 15:21 |
matrohon | it is targeted for ocata : | 15:21 |
matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1632117 | 15:21 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1632117 in networking-bgpvpn "odl driver for bgpvpn should be moved to networking-odl and v2 type driver is needed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:21 |
tmorin1 | see bug 1632117 | 15:22 |
openstack | bug 1632117 in networking-bgpvpn "odl driver for bgpvpn should be moved to networking-odl and v2 type driver is needed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1632117 | 15:22 |
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tmorin1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1632117 | 15:22 |
tmorin1 | openstack bot doing funky things :) | 15:23 |
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tmorin1 | we currently also have bagpipe bgpvpn driver sitting partly in networking-bgpvpn and partly in networking-bagpipe, we'll consider changing that in ocata as well | 15:23 |
tmorin1 | but we'll have other things to do for ocata... | 15:24 |
tmorin1 | ... next topic : stadium ? | 15:24 |
tmorin1 | #topic networking-bgppvn in stadium | 15:24 |
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matrohon | well, this way we would avoid assessment for bagpipe... | 15:24 |
tmorin1 | matrohon: perhaps, but perhaps not, it would still be a dependency ... | 15:25 |
tmorin1 | anyhow, the goal for bagpipe is to meet the stadium criteria as well | 15:26 |
matrohon | I mean avoid assesment for net-bagpipe | 15:26 |
tmorin1 | maybe others wonder what assessment we are talking about | 15:26 |
matrohon | maybe :) | 15:26 |
tmorin1 | matrohon: yes, but I'm not sure we can/want avoid it :) | 15:26 |
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tmorin1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/383906 | 15:26 |
tmorin1 | it's basically a checklist of things we should do | 15:26 |
tmorin1 | we do a fair number of them, but not all | 15:27 |
tmorin1 | here is an HTML version | 15:27 |
tmorin1 | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/06/383906/2/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/5191893//doc/build/html/specs/stadium/ocata/networking-bgpvpn.html | 15:27 |
tmorin1 | we pretty good on N.* | 15:28 |
tmorin1 | we are also pretty good for D.* | 15:28 |
tmorin1 | tmorin1: we are partially meeting C.* criteria | 15:28 |
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tmorin1 | the parts missing are: C4 (fulstack), do better on C3 (functional), C6 (grenade), C7 (multinode: does it apply for us?), C8 (python3) | 15:30 |
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tmorin1 | and C1 is missing as well (grafana) | 15:30 |
tmorin1 | R1 and R2 are ok | 15:31 |
tmorin1 | S1 ok as well | 15:31 |
matrohon | I think we can emulate multinode with fullstack... | 15:32 |
tmorin1 | possibly | 15:32 |
matrohon | AFAIR, neutron does that | 15:32 |
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tmorin1 | neutron has also grenade... multinode tests | 15:33 |
tmorin1 | last criteria is " L1. If the project requires a client library, how does it implement CLI and API bindings? " | 15:33 |
matrohon | neutron has a lot of dev... | 15:33 |
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tmorin1 | I think our answer won't be in our favor until we support openstack client | 15:34 |
tmorin1 | armax: we're discussing about networking-bgpvpn scorecard | 15:34 |
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tmorin1 | armax: how are we expected to update it ? first merge the empty score card then we push changes with real content ? or we push PS2..PS3... to the current change (https://review.openstack.org/383906) ? | 15:36 |
armax | tmorin1: I’ll have a first pass, then you can review/comment and go from tehre | 15:36 |
tmorin1 | armax: ok, is it helpful if we comment on certain items | 15:37 |
matrohon | armax summed it up in : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383907/ | 15:37 |
matrohon | armax, ok | 15:38 |
tmorin1 | matrohon: ok, thanks for the pointer | 15:38 |
tmorin1 | armax: thanks | 15:38 |
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tmorin1 | so quite obviously, the better we fare on this scorecard at ocata-1 deadline, the better | 15:42 |
tmorin1 | we'll need willing contributors to help improve on the criteria that we don't meet yet | 15:42 |
tmorin1 | in particular (no order): openstack client (L1), grafana (C1), fullstack (C4), python3, grenade (C6), multinode (C7) | 15:44 |
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tmorin1 | I have a colleague with whom we've already started looking at adding fullstack testing for networking-bgpvpn and networking-bagpipe | 15:45 |
matrohon | cool! | 15:46 |
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tmorin1 | pcarver, doude, lewo/bfernando, timirnich: don't be shy, don't hesitate to take on one of these items ! | 15:47 |
doude | :) | 15:47 |
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tmorin1 | doude: I'm sure doing the openstack client stuff, or adjusting code for python 3, are the kind of things that would take you only 2-3 hours :) | 15:48 |
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doude | sorry, I don't follow all the OpenStack neutron activities. What is fullstack? Or perhaps is no the place to discuss it, but do you have doc link? | 15:48 |
tmorin1 | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/fullstack_testing.html | 15:49 |
doude | certainly | 15:49 |
doude | not | 15:49 |
doude | thanks tmorin1 | 15:49 |
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tmorin1 | in Barcelona, i'll buy drinks to whoever has started work on any of these ! ;) | 15:49 |
doude | I take the openstaclient one | 15:50 |
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matrohon | Ill buy nachos and tacos! | 15:50 |
doude | do you have a bug , | 15:50 |
doude | ? | 15:50 |
tmorin1 | goood :) | 15:50 |
tmorin1 | let me check | 15:50 |
pcarver | tmorin1: I don't expect to have any time before the summit, but will hopefully be able to help with some of this after | 15:50 |
tmorin1 | I think that we do | 15:50 |
matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1561993 | 15:50 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1561993 in networking-bgpvpn "support for openstack CLI" [High,Confirmed] | 15:50 |
tmorin1 | pcarver: ok... ocata-1 is November 17th, so we won't have /that/ much time after Barcelona | 15:51 |
tmorin1 | doude ^ for the openstack client bug | 15:51 |
doude | ok | 15:52 |
tmorin1 | thanks matrohon | 15:52 |
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tmorin1 | #topic barcelona | 15:52 |
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tmorin1 | about Barcelona | 15:52 |
tmorin1 | we didn't check yet where to "ask" for a design summit slot | 15:52 |
tmorin1 | or did anyone ? | 15:53 |
tmorin1 | matrohon: ? | 15:53 |
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matrohon | not really | 15:53 |
matrohon | I thinks we will do as previous summit | 15:53 |
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tmorin1 | doude, this is a better link on fullstack : http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/development.environment.html#fullstack-tests | 15:54 |
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doude | tmorin1: yes thanks | 15:54 |
tmorin1 | matrohon: yes | 15:54 |
tmorin1 | which means meeting at sometime in the week, and then on Friday morning if need be | 15:55 |
tmorin1 | ok | 15:56 |
tmorin1 | anything else for today ? | 15:56 |
tmorin1 | #topic open discussion, wrap up... | 15:56 |
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tmorin1 | ok, thanks everyone | 15:57 |
tmorin1 | bye bye... | 15:57 |
tmorin1 | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 15:57:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-10-11-15.07.html | 15:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-10-11-15.07.txt | 15:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-10-11-15.07.log.html | 15:57 |
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adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 16:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-10-11_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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strigazi | o/ Spyros | 16:00 |
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adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
hongbin | o/ | 16:00 |
tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
eghobo | o/ | 16:00 |
Drago | o/ | 16:01 |
rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:01 |
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adrian_otto | hello strigazi hongbin tonanhngo eghobo Drago rpothier | 16:02 |
dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:02 |
adrian_otto | hello dane_leblanc | 16:02 |
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adrian_otto | ok, let's continue, Feel free to chime in at any time to be recorded in attendance. | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | 1) Reminder: There will be no team meeting on 2016-10-25 because that is the week of the OpenStack Summit in Barcelona. | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | 2) Please review our NodeGroup spec draft to prepare for our Summit discussion on this topic: | 16:03 |
adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/352734 [WIP] Add NodeGroup specification | 16:03 |
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adrian_otto | We'd like to get as much (+core) team feedback prior to the summit as possible, so we can be very clear with our community about what to expect | 16:04 |
Drago | Will we be having a discussion on the NodeGroup spec in our meeting next week? | 16:04 |
adrian_otto | yes, and we can touch on it today as well, time permitting | 16:04 |
Drago | So we can do the fishbowl before the summit design session | 16:04 |
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adrian_otto | is anyone prepared to have that discussion today, or do you need time to review it first? | 16:04 |
Drago | I have pushed another update to the spec, but it's mostly to move things around | 16:05 |
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strigazi | I want to do one more detailed pass | 16:05 |
tonanhngo | I would need time | 16:05 |
adrian_otto | ok, we'll come prepared for a discussion next meeting. | 16:05 |
adrian_otto | any announcements form team members? | 16:06 |
adrian_otto | s/form/from/ | 16:06 |
adrian_otto | ok, advancing topics... | 16:06 |
adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:06 |
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adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto follow up with Kuryr PTL to arrange a joint session | 16:06 |
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adrian_otto | Status: Pending. I expect to complete this today. | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | #topic Essential Blueprint Review | 16:07 |
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adrian_otto | Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:07 |
adrian_otto | any update? | 16:07 |
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adrian_otto | strigazi: you still there? | 16:08 |
strigazi | We still test the fixed_network work, after that we can hav the same driver for vm and bm | 16:08 |
adrian_otto | so additional work is ongoing, correct? | 16:09 |
strigazi | yes | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | do you need any help from the team to move this forward? | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | *from | 16:09 |
adrian_otto | lazy fingers today | 16:09 |
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strigazi | In testing, if you will to deploy devstack with ironic | 16:10 |
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strigazi | and have a big enough host | 16:10 |
strigazi | In a vm is pretty slow | 16:10 |
adrian_otto | what size should we recommend? | 16:10 |
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strigazi | >=14 GB of RAM and >=8 cores | 16:10 |
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adrian_otto | let's plan to put that in the operator guide | 16:11 |
strigazi | Ok, I'll do it this week | 16:11 |
adrian_otto | any remarks on this work from the team? | 16:11 |
strigazi | I have a concern | 16:11 |
adrian_otto | ok | 16:11 |
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strigazi | about having this as essential, is it really? For us is a 6 month plan | 16:12 |
strigazi | we don't have ironic yet | 16:12 |
strigazi | Do you mind moving it to high? | 16:13 |
adrian_otto | Is there any objection to downgrading it? I think hongbin set it with this priority because we felt it was important to deliver BM support in N. | 16:13 |
hongbin | i have no problem to change the priority | 16:14 |
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adrian_otto | considering Newton is out now, it makes sense to relax this. | 16:14 |
strigazi | I expect to finish during Nov | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | we did make progress on this for Newton, enough that it's still noteworthy. | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | let's adjust it right now, 1 sec. | 16:14 |
strigazi | ok, thanks | 16:14 |
adrian_otto | Done. I will strike it from the next agenda. | 16:15 |
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adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to remove BM Blueprint from Essential BP Review on team agenda | 16:15 |
strigazi | thanks | 16:15 |
adrian_otto | next one... | 16:15 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:15 |
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tonanhngo | I don't have any update. | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | tonanhngo: should this also be reset to High? | 16:16 |
tonanhngo | That would be good also | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | the same logic applies here | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | ok, doing it... | 16:16 |
tonanhngo | Thanks | 16:16 |
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adrian_otto | oh, it already is. | 16:16 |
adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to remove Docs Blueprint from Essential BP Review on team agenda | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | ... drumroll please ... | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers COE Bay Drivers (muralia) | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 16:17 |
strigazi | We should define the essential bps in the summit | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | the code merged yesterday! | 16:17 |
Drago | I have muralia's update | 16:17 |
adrian_otto | thanks Drago | 16:17 |
Drago | "The only update I have is that my patch got merged" | 16:18 |
Drago | (there's one more update) | 16:18 |
Drago | "I need one more patch to address 2 things. release notes and docs. and to move the 'cluster delete' method to the drivers." | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | hah! | 16:18 |
Drago | That's it | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | excellent. | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | thanks to all the contributors who helped with making and reviewing that contribution. | 16:18 |
adrian_otto | it's nice to see it completed. | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | (almost) | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | any other remarks on this BP? | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | #topic Other Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:19 |
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adrian_otto | Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:19 |
adrian_otto | tonanhngo: anything to share? | 16:19 |
tonanhngo | I attended the meeting yesterday | 16:20 |
tonanhngo | Mostly the team continues with the implementation | 16:20 |
adrian_otto | what was the outcome on the consideration of our security concern? | 16:20 |
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adrian_otto | I got the sense that triggered a reset of sorts | 16:20 |
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tonanhngo | There was some discussion on the nested VM implementation, but no new development on the driver regarding the security concern | 16:20 |
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tonanhngo | Yes, they were still storing a credential for the agent to talk to the driver | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | ok | 16:21 |
hongbin | for this, i can brief talk about that | 16:21 |
hongbin | i submitted a bp for kuryr team to split the agent into two | 16:21 |
adrian_otto | thanks hongbin | 16:21 |
hongbin | the first agent is for interfacing with neutron, the second agent is for doing the port binding | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | can we share the link to that BP? | 16:22 |
hongbin | one second | 16:22 |
hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/split-libnetwork-agent | 16:22 |
adrian_otto | tx! | 16:23 |
hongbin | the goal is to have one agent deployed on master node, another deployed on worker node | 16:23 |
hongbin | the credential will be stored in the master node, and used by the master agent to talk to neutron | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | good idea, hongbin | 16:23 |
hongbin | this will release the credential concern a little | 16:23 |
hongbin | that is all from me | 16:23 |
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tonanhngo | so there is no credential on the worker node? | 16:23 |
adrian_otto | did we put any thought into what would control access to the remote portion of that agent? | 16:24 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: no | 16:24 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: the worker node will do the port binding purely | 16:24 |
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tonanhngo | The master node is still a user VM though? | 16:24 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: no so far | 16:24 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: but will get into that | 16:24 |
hongbin | tonanhngo: yes | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | ok, that's promising progress. Thanks so much for the update and your contribution. | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | any other remarks on the topic of Kuryr? | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | ok, advancing... | 16:25 |
adrian_otto | magnum-specs repository (strigazi) | 16:25 |
strigazi | I'd like to add a magnum-specs repo to publish our specs here: http://specs.openstack.org/ | 16:26 |
adrian_otto | anythign to cover on this topic this week, or is this an artifact from last time? | 16:26 |
adrian_otto | great, I love that idea. | 16:26 |
strigazi | It's from last time, do you hava an objection? | 16:27 |
adrian_otto | does the team have any concerns about proceeding with this | 16:27 |
adrian_otto | ? | 16:27 |
Drago | +1 | 16:27 |
hongbin | i think this is a good idea as well | 16:27 |
tonanhngo | +1 | 16:27 |
vijendar | +1 | 16:27 |
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strigazi | ok | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | sounds like we are all-in! | 16:28 |
strigazi | #action strigazi to create a magnum-specs repo | 16:28 |
strigazi | or you must do it? | 16:28 |
strigazi | I mean the action | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | GIve it a try | 16:28 |
Drago | he did | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | LMK if you need anything from me to proceed | 16:28 |
Drago | oh | 16:28 |
adrian_otto | #action strigazi to create a magnum-specs repo | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | It would be nice if meetbot would ACK actions. | 16:29 |
strigazi | anyway, I'll do it | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | anyway, it's recorded. | 16:29 |
adrian_otto | any other discussion before we advance the agenda? | 16:29 |
strigazi | Since we have some time, I started to draft this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-driver-upgrades | 16:29 |
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strigazi | It is incomplete but I want to add as much content as possible until the summit | 16:30 |
adrian_otto | good | 16:30 |
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adrian_otto | directionally approved | 16:30 |
hongbin | strigazi: so the bp proposed to use software config to do the upgrade? | 16:30 |
strigazi | Yes, but if we decide to have a magnum agent we change | 16:31 |
Drago | strigazi: Have you started a spec yet? | 16:31 |
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strigazi | Yes, but not pushed, I'll push tomorrow | 16:31 |
hongbin | strigazi: then the bp needs to revise to avoid the restriction on using software config | 16:31 |
strigazi | That's why is drafting. This bp will introduce two things | 16:32 |
Drago | I think that which agent is used is a more minor detail in how upgrades are achieved | 16:32 |
strigazi | How to version drivers | 16:32 |
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strigazi | and how to actually do the upgrades | 16:32 |
hongbin | Drago: agree | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | +1 | 16:33 |
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hongbin | strigazi: get that. my concern is the implementation details are over-specified in the bp | 16:33 |
strigazi | We'll iterate on that | 16:33 |
adrian_otto | strigazi: ok, we should make sure that's in the Summit Session Planning etherpad, which we will get to in a moment. | 16:33 |
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adrian_otto | but before we get to that... | 16:34 |
adrian_otto | #topic Auth Plugin Discussion | 16:34 |
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adrian_otto | vijendar has been working on this. The question is: Should the binary plugin for Swarm auth plugin be baked into our cluster node image, or downloaded separately? | 16:34 |
hongbin | for this topic, i have a big concern on the direction | 16:34 |
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vijendar | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/docker-authz-plugin | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/383061 (WIP)Docker auth plugin to prevent deletion of infra containers | 16:35 |
hongbin | i have went through the bp, and not sure if this is part of the magnum mission to maintain such plugin | 16:35 |
hongbin | 1. the plugin is not written in python | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | well, let's make it clear what this is for. | 16:35 |
adrian_otto | the purpose of this is to prevent users from accidentally deleting portions of their COE | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | which is a feature for cloud operators who run Magnum | 16:36 |
hongbin | is that specific to magnum? | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | the plugin could certainly be written in python if there was a good reason for that. | 16:36 |
hongbin | it sounds like a general purpose plugin to me | 16:36 |
adrian_otto | yes, that's why I asked for it to be part of the contrib tree, and not in our main code base. | 16:37 |
hongbin | ok, if it will go to contrib tree, then it is fine | 16:37 |
strigazi | it definately must be in our repo | 16:37 |
adrian_otto | but I do understand your concern, hongbin. If there is a better approach, what do you suggest? We don't really care where it lives as long as we integrate the result. | 16:37 |
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adrian_otto | but whether or not the plugin is in our repo, the hook to add it to Magnum clusters should be | 16:38 |
Drago | Unless it's some sort of OpenStack-wide mandate, I do not see how the language used matters. | 16:38 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: i would argue that it should go to some docker upstream repo or other teams. if it needs to go into magnum, it should be in contrib tree | 16:38 |
adrian_otto | vijendar: I think this is contemplated as an optional feature, right? | 16:38 |
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vijendar | adrian_otto: current change does not make it optional | 16:39 |
vijendar | adrian_otto: but we can make it optional | 16:39 |
hongbin | Drago: the openstack said limit the usage of programming lauguage such as go land | 16:39 |
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hongbin | well, it looks this discussion should go into the summit | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: that decision was about OpenStack API services. What we are after here is a completely different scope. | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | that woudl be like saying storage device drivers must be written in python to be available in Cinder. Its apples/oranges. | 16:40 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: could you elaborate? | 16:40 |
adrian_otto | there is an abstraction interface that allows docker plugins to be done in any language. | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | and if you look at the plugin, what it does is completely trivial | 16:41 |
hongbin | adrian_otto: yes, get that. but if it is not written in python, it will cause problem to deliver and package that plugin i guess | 16:41 |
adrian_otto | there is no possible way it would ever use any component of oslo, for example | 16:41 |
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adrian_otto | and that's really what the OpenStack TC is concerned about | 16:42 |
strigazi | Can we verify from TC that it is ok to have it in go? | 16:42 |
adrian_otto | if we feel that's necessary | 16:42 |
strigazi | for sure it is completely different from solo | 16:43 |
strigazi | oslo | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | let's just think about what the lowest friction approach to getting the desired outcome... we want Magnum clusters that user's can't accidentally destroy through normal use. | 16:43 |
adrian_otto | the patch in question is one approach to solving that. | 16:43 |
hongbin | i think this is a good feature, but i would argue that this should be a optional feature | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | yes, we can certainly have a follow-up patch to add it as optional. | 16:44 |
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vijendar | sure… we can make it an optional feature | 16:44 |
hongbin | by default, users should get a standard coe cluster without any plugins (other than the official one) to surprise them | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | (although I honestly can't imagine a cloud operator deciding to turn that off) | 16:44 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: good point. | 16:45 |
strigazi | One more thing to think about is how to deliver the code | 16:45 |
strigazi | I mean the binary | 16:45 |
vijendar | but at the same time, user could accidentally delete their infra containers if we don't enable this plugin | 16:45 |
hongbin | then, the operators will enable the plugin if they care about this | 16:46 |
vijendar | strigazi: currently I am thinking about following options | 16:46 |
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vijendar | Plugin installation options: | 16:46 |
vijendar | 1. Pre-install docker authorization plugin on the image | 16:46 |
vijendar | 2. Download the authorization plugin on cluster creation and install | 16:46 |
vijendar | 3. Download the authorization plugin source code on cluster creation and then build and install | 16:46 |
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strigazi | We can have a look on what we can do on infra | 16:46 |
strigazi | Can you bake a script to build the binary? | 16:47 |
vijendar | strigazi: I think we can | 16:47 |
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strigazi | Even in a container | 16:47 |
Drago | Since this is a driver-level feature, it could be optional in the sense that if an operator didn't want it, they could fork the driver and remove it | 16:47 |
strigazi | true | 16:47 |
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Drago | sorry, @hongbin | 16:48 |
strigazi | but it depends on how we implemented it, to be easy to remove | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | ok, so let's look at the three options vijendar mentioned above | 16:48 |
hongbin | Drago: well, that is your point. i respect | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | today we use the #1 approach for basically everything | 16:48 |
adrian_otto | so we could do it that way to be consistent. | 16:48 |
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hongbin | i would still argue that the operations should add the driver instead of remove | 16:49 |
hongbin | s/operation/operators/ | 16:49 |
adrian_otto | alternatively, we could use one of the other approaches which could simplify image creation a bit. | 16:49 |
adrian_otto | one disadvantage of downloading a binary is that it may not be as safe as baking it into the image | 16:50 |
adrian_otto | it makes it harder to audit as well | 16:50 |
strigazi | If I have a straight forward way to build the binary I can put it in the infra build easily | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | strigazi: that's my preference, but I wanted to consider wider team input as well. | 16:51 |
adrian_otto | hongbin: I have noted your objection, and we will revisit this as a team. | 16:51 |
vijendar | strigazi: I can work on it | 16:51 |
strigazi | thanks | 16:52 |
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hongbin | adrian_otto: yes, would like to discuss this further with the team as well | 16:52 |
vijendar | strigazi: I mean, I can work on building the binary script | 16:52 |
adrian_otto | ok, one more thing before open discussion, as we are running low on time... | 16:52 |
strigazi | DDDDvijendar, yeap, get it | 16:52 |
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strigazi | vijendar, yeap, get it | 16:52 |
adrian_otto | #topic Summit Session Planning Check-up | 16:52 |
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adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-ocata-summit-topics Summit Planning | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | please make sure all topics you want to cover at the Summit are listed on this etherpad | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | I'm going to match them to slots this week. | 16:53 |
adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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tonanhngo | Just want to mention that we have Magnum Newton running on a 100 nodes OpenStack | 16:54 |
tonanhngo | Big thanks to Rackspace team for helping to build the environment | 16:54 |
adrian_otto | strigazi: please check that cluster driver upgrades are adequately represented in the above etherpad. | 16:55 |
strigazi | ok | 16:55 |
adrian_otto | tonanhngo: maybe explain a bit about why we did it | 16:55 |
tonanhngo | The CNCF Lab provides us a large cluster to do scalability study | 16:56 |
tonanhngo | This is similar to the OSIC lab | 16:56 |
tonanhngo | Their interest is mainly in Kubernetes, but they help us because of the common interest | 16:57 |
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tonanhngo | So in the past 2 weeks, we have been building OS Newton on this environment, from scratch | 16:57 |
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tonanhngo | We looked at using Kolla, Openstack Ansible, and other tools | 16:58 |
tonanhngo | but in the end, we used Openstack Ansible because it was ready for Newton | 16:58 |
tonanhngo | The Rackspace team (Adrian, Chris, Drago) has expertise on this, so they stepped in and helped | 16:58 |
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tonanhngo | Now we are ready to run a collection of benchmarks, including Rally plugin for Magnum | 16:59 |
tonanhngo | We will share the result at the Summit, both in a talk and in a design session | 16:59 |
tonanhngo | That's the story :) | 16:59 |
adrian_otto | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
adrian_otto | see you next week at 1600 UTC! | 17:01 |
adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 17:01:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-10-11-16.00.html | 17:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-10-11-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 17:02:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:02 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:02 |
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osh | O/ | 17:04 |
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kzaitsev_mb | osh: at least I'm not alone today =) | 17:04 |
DavidPurcell | o/ | 17:04 |
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osh | (: | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | hey DavidPurcell! | 17:05 |
DavidPurcell | hello! | 17:05 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I'd like to thank you and your team for the efforts on making our tests great | 17:05 |
kzaitsev_mb | it's 81% already! | 17:06 |
DavidPurcell | Hooray! | 17:06 |
DavidPurcell | And we appreciate the thanks :) | 17:06 |
DavidPurcell | Although some guys are getting a bit tired of it, haha. | 17:06 |
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kzaitsev_mb | DavidPurcell: if your team is getting tired of unit tests — we can probably think of/find a feature you guys might be interested to develop | 17:11 |
kzaitsev_mb | or maybe you have some suggestions =) | 17:11 |
kzaitsev_mb | looks like we don't have much folks today on the meeting,so I expect it will be rather short ) | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Items Review | 17:11 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb gat a list of topics and choose one for WS | 17:12 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I've been too busy with release and *company* things | 17:12 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so going to do that this week | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | huh =( | 17:13 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #topic Release Model Change | 17:13 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384720/ | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | almost there ) | 17:13 |
felipemonteiro_ | kzaitsev_mb: I'd be willing to do unit tests on occasion, but working on a feature to break up the monotony would be nice. | 17:14 |
kzaitsev_mb | not sure if there is much to say here ) thanks to the team for chiping in with +1s | 17:14 |
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kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro_: we had a list of features we wanted to implement in newton and I'm going to have a similar for ocata =) | 17:15 |
kzaitsev_mb | this is part of my preparations for the summit in Barcelona | 17:16 |
kzaitsev_mb | building a list of priorities and making sure all the team agrees on them ) | 17:16 |
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kzaitsev_mb | so I'll definitelly share it this or next week with you guys =) | 17:16 |
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DavidPurcell | That'd be great! | 17:17 |
kzaitsev_mb | I think we've already moved to the Open Discussion part ) | 17:17 |
kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:17 |
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kzaitsev_mb | DavidPurcell: felipemonteiro_: not sure if you guys saw the email about the time change for our community meeting | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | just a heads up for the change | 17:19 |
DavidPurcell | I didn't see the email, but I saw the discussion in here. | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | we're probably going to implement it right after the summit | 17:19 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104529.html | 17:20 |
kzaitsev_mb | also it's that time of the month, when we get a new portion of backports | 17:21 |
kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk is not here today, but he did that as usual | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | also mitaka is entering 2d phase and liberty will soon meet it's EOL (just another heads up) | 17:25 |
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DavidPurcell | Our company still uses Kilo... :'( | 17:25 |
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kzaitsev_mb | DavidPurcell: yeah, I know how it feels | 17:26 |
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sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: https://review.openstack.org/381716 any chance you know why this fails? | 17:33 |
kzaitsev_mb | A lot of people talking around me %)) so I get distracted | 17:33 |
* sergmelikyan trying to merge pkg-check | 17:34 | |
kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: not really — gotta ping folks on #openstack-requirements channel | 17:35 |
sergmelikyan | I've rechecked couple of times but doesn't help :( | 17:35 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I think I wanted to share smth more, but can't remember =) | 17:37 |
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kzaitsev_mb | if there is nothing more to discuss — I'm going to end our meeting in 5 mins and save ourselves a bit of our lives ) | 17:41 |
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kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb share ocata cycle plan with DavidPurcell and felipemonteiro_ | 17:46 |
kzaitsev_mb | ok thanks everyone for joining today! | 17:46 |
kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 17:47:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
DavidPurcell | thanks for the information | 17:47 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-10-11-17.02.html | 17:47 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-10-11-17.02.txt | 17:47 |
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catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 19:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
luzC | o/ | 19:02 |
sslypushenko | o/ | 19:02 |
catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-10-11 | 19:02 |
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catherineD | let's start .. | 19:03 |
catherineD | #topic RefStack client whitelist | 19:03 |
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catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381232/ | 19:04 |
catherineD | Please review and merge ... users reported that test time increase by 3x because of testing using UUID | 19:05 |
catherineD | this patch will fix that .... | 19:05 |
catherineD | please review... | 19:05 |
luzC | done | 19:05 |
catherineD | luzC: thx | 19:05 |
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catherineD | pvaneck: sslypushenko: we need an other +2 please target to merge this today .... so that the user can start their test ... | 19:06 |
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catherineD | pls see yesterday and today's #refstack IRC logs for more info | 19:07 |
catherineD | moving on ... | 19:07 |
sslypushenko | catherineD LGTM, merged | 19:07 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: GREAT Thanks!!!! | 19:07 |
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catherineD | moving on ... | 19:09 |
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catherineD | #topic Taget to merge feature/vendor to master | 19:09 |
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catherineD | the code in feature/vendor branch is for vendor/product registration ... | 19:10 |
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catherineD | we target to merge all pending patches to feature/vendor branch: Oct 12, 2016 ... | 19:10 |
catherineD | we still have one day ... | 19:10 |
catherineD | currently we have 2 patches that need to review ... | 19:11 |
catherineD | #link Add tests to product page ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382697/ ) | 19:11 |
catherineD | Andrey had reviewed this patch and have a comment ... | 19:11 |
pvaneck | working on a patchset for that one | 19:11 |
Rockyg | o/ | 19:12 |
catherineD | pvaneck: to address Andrey's comments? | 19:12 |
catherineD | Rockyg: meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-10-11 | 19:12 |
pvaneck | yes | 19:13 |
catherineD | pvaneck: thanks! Really appreciate that .... | 19:13 |
catherineD | Andrey is not here but I hope that he will review pvaneck: 's response to his comment in the next patch ... | 19:14 |
Rockyg | thanks | 19:14 |
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catherineD | next one .. | 19:14 |
catherineD | #link Add ability in UI to associate test to product/version ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384272/ ) | 19:14 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: could you please review ... | 19:15 |
catherineD | I will send Andrey an email for him to review ... | 19:15 |
catherineD | hopefully we can merge the patch as targeted tomorrow ... | 19:16 |
catherineD | moving on .... | 19:16 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: I will | 19:16 |
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catherineD | sslypushenko: thx | 19:16 |
catherineD | assuming we will be able to merge the two patches to feature/vendor branch tomorrow | 19:17 |
catherineD | our next target is to merge feature/vendor branch to master: Oct 14, 2016 .... | 19:17 |
catherineD | that will give us one week before the summit ... | 19:18 |
catherineD | currently we plan to publish the vendor/product registration code to https://refstack.openstack.org/#/ on Monday Oct 17 | 19:19 |
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catherineD | we have a very tight schedule ... | 19:20 |
sslypushenko | sounds challenging) | 19:20 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: yup | 19:20 |
sslypushenko | I guess now refstack is getting extra attention because of interop challenge | 19:21 |
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sslypushenko | so maybe release on Monday is not so good idea) | 19:22 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: yea ... it would be more meaningful for refstack to associate data to vendor/product | 19:22 |
catherineD | sslypushenko: because of more people using it? | 19:22 |
sslypushenko | yeap | 19:22 |
catherineD | From users point of view , it is good to release on Friday (over the weekend) ... but from support point of view ... we do not have infra suppor during the weekend | 19:23 |
catherineD | on the last release we actaully need someone on infra to do some taks on the server due to server package change ... | 19:24 |
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catherineD | sslypushenko: I do see your concern though | 19:26 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: you are right | 19:26 |
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catherineD | Let try to meet the other target dates first those have no impact to the website | 19:27 |
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catherineD | let move on | 19:28 |
catherineD | #topic Waiver | 19:28 |
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catherineD | the spec had merged | 19:28 |
catherineD | #link Implemenation: Added Defcore additional properties waiver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370534/ | 19:29 |
catherineD | we need to review this patch .. | 19:29 |
catherineD | luzC: what is the priority of this patch? Does it need to be landed before the summit? | 19:29 |
luzC | no, I don't think so, I consider it low priority | 19:30 |
catherineD | luzC: OK that is good .... if so let's target this after the summit since we are so busy with the vendor target dates ... | 19:31 |
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luzC | yes | 19:31 |
catherineD | luzC: thank you ... | 19:31 |
catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:32 |
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catherineD | any other thoughts? | 19:32 |
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catherineD | if not we will have a shot meeting today ... before we go .... please do review any patch put up for feature/vendor branch so we can meet our target dates ... | 19:34 |
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catherineD | sslypushenko: thx for merging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381232/ ! | 19:35 |
sslypushenko | catherineD: np at all) | 19:35 |
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catherineD | that is it for today's meeting .... thank you all !! | 19:35 |
catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:36 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 19:36:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-10-11-19.00.html | 19:36 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-10-11-19.00.txt | 19:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-10-11-19.00.log.html | 19:36 |
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