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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Anyone around today? | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes is on holiday in Barcelona, so he won't be joining us | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | Well, let's get started. This should be a quick meeting | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | First up: laski's policy changes for placement | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382640/ | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Doesn't seem like laski is around now | 14:03 |
| cdent | cdent I put that up as a reminder that it is there and because there are some questions about code location | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Has everyone had a chance to look that over? | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Or, more to the point, does anyone have anything about that to discuss now? | 14:04 |
| * edleafe is sure it will be a topic at the Summit | 14:04 | |
| cdent | the code that checks the policy enforcement is in the existing nova policy file, I thought perhaps extracting to the placement hierarchy might ease extraction later | 14:04 |
| cdent | and if not, we may as well just merge it | 14:05 |
| edleafe | cdent: policy for placement? | 14:06 |
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| cdent | sorry, not clear, I meant policy.py file, not the json config file | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | cdent: ah, ok. | 14:07 |
| cdent | the implementation is nice: it actually requires no config file at the moment | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I'll have to look that part over in more depth, but first impression is that it should be in placement | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | IN any case, we can discuss on the review | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Next up: aggregates | 14:08 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Lots of +1s | 14:08 |
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| cdent | ditto, just a reminder, look at those three patches, not merging is blocking some neutron progress on starting to use resource providers | 14:08 |
| edleafe | cdent: good point. We should probably poke the cores in -nova | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | optional placement db | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-optional-db-spec | 14:10 |
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| cdent | this is also from me (I think they all are). I was hoping to encourage jaypipes, dansmith and bauzas to fill out the long term vision section | 14:10 |
| cdent | or make some kind of declaration on if we are even going to do anything | 14:11 |
| bauzas | yeah, maybe that could wait for the placement session next week ? :) | 14:11 |
| * dansmith puts it in the tab queue again | 14:11 | |
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| edleafe | Well, it would be helpful to have the *current* understanding documented so our discussion is starting from a known point | 14:12 |
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| cdent | bauzas: even if we talk about it next week we still need a coherent plan written and agreed, or we'll repeat the chaos we've been having | 14:12 |
| cdent | edleafe++ | 14:12 |
| edleafe | As opposed to the midcycle, where there were many different understandings | 14:12 |
| edleafe | #action jaypipes dansmith bauzas to write down the current long-term objective in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-optional-db-spec prior to Summit | 14:13 |
| edleafe | Next up: placement leftovers | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-newton-leftovers | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Thanks to cdent for that nice pumpkin spice summary | 14:14 |
| edleafe | That might be a good place to start on prioritizing the work after the summit | 14:15 |
| edleafe | s/after/at | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Next up: Any last-minute discussions before Barcelona | 14:15 |
| edleafe | I am in the process of writing up my thoughts on the current nested RP design | 14:16 |
| cdent | I was going to ask about that | 14:16 |
| edleafe | in case you missed it, I think we're going down the wrong track here | 14:16 |
| edleafe | but I can't fully explain it in IRC-sized chunks | 14:16 |
| edleafe | so I'm writing it up in a blog. | 14:16 |
| edleafe | I'll post that link when it's ready | 14:17 |
| edleafe | Any other items to discuss? | 14:17 |
| _gryf | i have a quick question regarding custom resources | 14:17 |
| edleafe | sure | 14:17 |
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| _gryf | will be possible with it to define something like block device which can be passed to the vm? | 14:18 |
| _gryf | qemu seems to support attaching physical devices | 14:18 |
| edleafe | _gryf: in nova? As opposed to doing that through Cinder? | 14:18 |
| _gryf | right | 14:18 |
| edleafe | I don't think there would be a lot of support for nova duplicating cinder functionality | 14:19 |
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| _gryf | actually | 14:19 |
| _gryf | it is not a volume attachement | 14:19 |
| edleafe | But the eventual goal of a separate placement engine is to allow Cinder and other services to use it for their placement decisions | 14:19 |
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| _gryf | it is rather passing down raw device to the vm | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | _gryf: where are these raw devices coming from? IOW, what would the Resource Provider be? | 14:20 |
| _gryf | edleafe, the host, I think | 14:20 |
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| _gryf | which can expose some of it's hdd as a resources | 14:21 |
| _gryf | of course they shouldn't be mounted | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | _gryf: I think you should ask about that in the -nova channel. It sounds like something that must have already been considered | 14:22 |
| _gryf | yeah | 14:22 |
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| _gryf | it's just an idea | 14:22 |
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| _gryf | certain operators asked me if it is possible | 14:23 |
| edleafe | You'd have to explain the use case to help others understand | 14:23 |
| cdent | _gryf: there's nothing preventing resource providers tracking that stuff if someone wants to manage them, but being able to use it in decisions or booting or whatever is another thing entirely | 14:23 |
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| _gryf | due to client needs for high performance storage | 14:23 |
| _gryf | cdent, yeah, I'd rather thinkl of such resources as additional one for images/volumes than a primary device | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Alright - anything else? Or are we done? | 14:24 |
| cdent | we seem done | 14:24 |
| _gryf | yup | 14:24 |
| edleafe | A reminder: no meeting for the next two weeks due to summit/travel | 14:24 |
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| _gryf | right. see you there | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | Yes, looking forward to arguing^H^H^H discussing with all of you in Barcelona! | 14:25 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:25 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:25 |
| _gryf | :) | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 14:25:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-17-14.00.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-17-14.00.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-10-17-14.00.log.html | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Thanks, everyone! | 14:25 |
| _gryf | thx! | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 15:02 |
| asingh_ | hello | 15:02 |
| sindhu | hi | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 15:02:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | sorry for the late start, was distracted :) | 15:02 |
| korzen | hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| sshank | Hello | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | not much to update about, ocata-1 is some time in mid-Nov | 15:03 |
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| dasanind_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | we'll have a summit next week, so we'll cancel the meeting there and I think the week after it | 15:04 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | any objections to that? | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | prolly not. | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to send an email to openstack-dev@ cancelling next two meetings | 15:05 |
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| manjeets__ | o/ | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | before we get into technical bits, let's talk summit through | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #topic Barcelona summit | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | we won't have any separate design session for upgrade matters. that said, we have a general session on server side next steps. | 15:07 |
| * dasm late o/ | 15:07 | |
| ihrachys | that I will (co-)chair with kevinbenton | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-neutron-server-next design session etherpad | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | as you can see, the session will cover the database side work we track as a team | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | please update the etherpad with comments if you have anything specific missing there | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | please set/type in your nicknames there if you do | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | so that we can track who said what :) | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | the session in the schedule is: | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16903/neutron-neutron-server-retrospective-and-next-steps | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | Friday morning it is | 15:09 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I heard that given that this release is too short, mainly it will focused to hardening or refactoring, that affects our plans or we are the exception? | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: OVO is a high visibility effort for the cycle, so we are good | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | online-upgrades - not yet, but since it's related, I don't think it will be a pushback to get that in assuming we have the code | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | speaking of online-upgrades, I posted a draft of a spec for that that should cover the next steps in more details | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/386685 online-upgrades spec | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | it's still draft and lacks a lot of details, I plan to work on it this week so that we have a clear written picture till the summit | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | reviews are welcome | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | even if it's not ready yet :) | 15:12 |
| korzen | ihrachys, nice | 15:12 |
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| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:13 |
| manjeets__ | cool | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | btw if you are at the summit, don't forget to register for the neutron social | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | mlavalle sent an email to openstack-dev@ with the topic "[Neutron] Neutron team social event in Barcelona" | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | just +1 so that he can count heads in advance | 15:14 |
| electrocucaracha | maybe he'll need to find another bigger place | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | yea, it's already more than 25 originally planned by him :) | 15:15 |
| * manjeets__ will miss this summit :( | 15:15 | |
| ihrachys | before we move on, can we count hands, who's going to Barcelona? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | manjeets__: :( that's sad | 15:15 |
| korzen | o/ | 15:16 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | ack. not much, but it's still good to have what we have. | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | we'll update the team after the summit. I may push a status update on the mailing list, or other venue. stay tuned. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to update the team about summit progress | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:18 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I'd like to start helping somehow in this topic, what I can do or where I can start | 15:19 |
| * electrocucaracha obviously having knowledge of grenade | 15:19 | |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I was passing some info on that to jschwarz|ooo but he seems busy this time of year. I guess it's good to have you look into it. | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: basically, we already have a linuxbridge multinode grenade job in experimental queue | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: the first step would be triggering it with 'check experimental' on some patch, then analyzing failure logs. | 15:20 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: do I need a special setup? | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: if we would have a list of issues seen on a latest check, that would be already some progress | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: well, it's gate thing, so any neutron patch will do | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: well not any, but any that e.g. touches neutron/db/... | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: once we have logs, we can check which tests fail and maybe split the load | 15:22 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: ack | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | so the first step is collecting the current state of affairs, to understand how far we are from passing. | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: cool. feel free to ask me in irc on details, and we'll sync during the summit. | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: thanks for stepping in! | 15:22 |
| korzen | speaking of multinode, we should also take a look at multiple neutron server | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | korzen: same version? we kinda cover it via api workers don't we? | 15:23 |
| korzen | different version | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | korzen: well it won't work until online-upgrades is implemented will it? | 15:24 |
| korzen | is there any cross project session on multinode testing? | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | korzen: but I probably agree that since the goal is to block any unsafe alembic scripts in Ocata, we can just set the job gating right away because there are (hopefully) no new scripts in the tree so far. | 15:25 |
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| manjeets__ | i am interested in helping for grenade jobs but need to start on that | 15:26 |
| manjeets__ | any documentation I can get started with ? | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets__: you can start with http://docs.openstack.org/developer/grenade/ | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets__: there is also https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/multinode_setup_info.txt that should give you an idea how we deploy multinode in gate | 15:27 |
| manjeets__ | ihrachys: cool thanks | 15:27 |
| korzen | manjeets__, it is also good to know: https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | yeah; specifically that script that deploys everything: https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | the script has lots of if-branches for different setups that influence the neutron configuration at test. | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: actually, it's good you asked | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | I just found some session that seems very relevant to us | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16942/cross-project-workshops-rolling-upgrades-and-the-road-to-zero-downtime | 15:30 |
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| korzen | must have missed it | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | I will definitely be there :) | 15:30 |
| korzen | yeap | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | korzen++ | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's run thru the state of OVO | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | first, re model relocations, it seems like it's all good now right? | 15:31 |
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| manjeets__ | ihrachys: all patches I guess merged | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | great. should we close that bug? | 15:32 |
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| manjeets__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1597913 | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | right, I guess we may close bug 1597913 ? | 15:32 |
| openstack | bug 1597913 in neutron "refactor model definitions" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597913 - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia) | 15:32 |
| manjeets__ | ihrachys: yes we can do that | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | ok lemme do it now | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | mmm not sure | 15:33 |
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| electrocucaracha | the integration phase hasn't completed | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what do you mean? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: the bug is just to move models. what's more? | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | I'm just thinking that maybe we can find another missing model to move when we complete the integration phase | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | but even in that case, we can reopen that bug right? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: if we do, we'll attach it to the bug. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I don't think it's worth keeping it open now that the effort is done for the most part | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: ok, makes sense | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ok, I moved the bug to Fix Released and Ocata-1. | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | so we can now focus on: | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | I know I still owe you all a lot of reviews. sorry for that. | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | I think we landed just the SubnetRoute integration, plug RouterRoute object. | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: last friday, I tried to update the spreadsheet not sure if you want to use it? | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: it's nice to have it synced eventually I guess, but I usually just open the topic and see what I may land in the time I have for review. | 15:37 |
| manjeets__ | ihrachys: i ripped one() from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381333/ and a separate patch with UT for making landing faster | 15:39 |
| manjeets__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386875/ | 15:39 |
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| liujiong | names | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | manjeets__: ack | 15:40 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I was thinking a way to find OVO dependencies, I've seen that many depends on Router and Agent ovo | 15:40 |
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| manjeets__ | and electrocucaracha what about joins ? | 15:41 |
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| manjeets__ | is there any decision on how to deal with joins ? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | you mean custom filters that would filter on data from other tables? | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | manjeets__: our last discussion about those were to create class methods, but I've seen that blogan and asingh_ has been dealing with some classes | 15:43 |
| asingh_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377114/ | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: asingh_: blogan: just wondering, let's say there is that _ipam_get_subnets. would it be hard to make get_objects support host= and service_type= filters and then reuse get_objects as a single entry point for all possible filtering for an object? | 15:46 |
| * blogan just got to his compute and booting his brain | 15:47 | |
| blogan | ihrachys: keep ipam_get_subnets in teh ipam backend mixin module? | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | blogan: could be that the ipam logic (exceptions etc.) would indeed belong to the mixin while the get/filtering part would stay in the object. | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | so in that case, probably _find_candidate_subnets would stay in the object, and _ipam_get_subnets would be outside. | 15:49 |
| blogan | ihrachys: i feel like we tried that, but it didnt work, but i can't remember why at this point, that was the first thing asingh_ tried i believe | 15:50 |
| electrocucaracha | blogan: wasn't the make dict method? | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | ok, I will probably need to dig previous PSs. | 15:50 |
| blogan | ihrachys: im digging too to refresh my memory, ill get back to you on that | 15:50 |
| korzen | yes it was make_subnet_dict | 15:51 |
| electrocucaracha | but regarding the manjeets__ question, should we continue using the same criteria, try to create class methods | 15:51 |
| blogan | ihrachys: oh i think the problem was that _ipam_get_subnets would then have to call into the SUbnet object for the other methods, but those otehr methods return a single SA query, and each method builds upon that query | 15:51 |
| blogan | electrocucaracha: that was a possibility, but pretty sure its a lot more work than we want | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | blogan: well, the calling code could instead set query filters upfront and then pass all needed into get_objects, instead of passing sqla query around. | 15:52 |
| blogan | ihrachys: so technically those methods that return the query object would have to be public methods on the Subnet object, and them returning queries makes no sense | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | anyhow, I would need to read the thing thru not to make myself look sillier than I am | 15:53 |
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| blogan | ihrachys: yeah we can discuss on the review, i'm sure i'm looking silly | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | blogan: yes, returning any sqla primitives from objects is not what we want :) | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | ok, one thing to mention is, HenryG is working on transitioning all objects in tree to project_id field: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382659/ | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | his work is blocked because we have a fix to do in base class though | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | korzen has a patch for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384949/ | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | I haven't reviewed the latest version just yet though | 15:54 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, yes so I have to fix one test | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | looking at the test case, it seems like it does the job neatly, keeping tenant_id behaviour identical to project_id one | 15:55 |
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| korzen | since the test is requiring to have the project-id in API out | 15:55 |
| korzen | and qos policy do not have project-id | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ack, I guess it's test issue? | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | korzen: oh I think I see what's going on. that's because you dropped the populate_project_info() call | 15:57 |
| korzen | yes | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | korzen: maybe keep it to qos policy class for now | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | and it will go away with the HenryG's patch merged | 15:57 |
| korzen | qos and trunk | 15:57 |
| korzen | ok | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | cool, awesome sauce | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:58 |
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| manjeets__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/ | 15:58 |
| manjeets__ | ihrachys: ^ | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | anything specific apart from reviews needed? | 15:59 |
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| ndahiwade | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382567/10 | 15:59 |
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| ndahiwade | ihrachys: Could you confirm the approach is correct here? | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | ok, no need to raise each patch, it's a matter of reviewers sucking :) | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | ndahiwade: ack, will check | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | we are running out of time | 16:00 |
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| dasanind_ | ihrachys: Integration of Vlanallocation, Vxlanallocation, GeneveAllocation and GreAllocation is dependent upon these OVOs. | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | just one thing before I end the meeting | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | armax started to assess stadium projects: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-specs+branch:master+topic:stadium-implosion | 16:00 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: It will be good to have these merged before proceeding with the integration | 16:00 |
| ndahiwade | ihrachys:thanks | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | it's nice to see grenade testing being a criteria for inclusion. | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | ok need to call it a day | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 16:01:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-10-17-15.02.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-10-17-15.02.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-10-17-15.02.log.html | 16:01 |
| sshank | thanks. | 16:01 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 16:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:01 |
| manjeets__ | thanks | 16:01 |
| sindhu | thanks! | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | Thanks! | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for HenryG, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, is the stadium imploding??? | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Yes. We jumped out the window just in time... lol | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: yeah, but FBI is on it | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:02 |
| dims | o/ | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, let's get this show on the road | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:04 | |
| johnsom | Nothing to report from LBaaS/Octavia land | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | any issues from any oslo consumers/users that need to be raised? | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | (or people want to raise, or other) | 16:04 |
| bknudson | nothing for keystone | 16:05 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:05 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:05 |
| amrith | I do have a concern about something working its way through the reviews | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, amrith howdy | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, uh oh? | 16:05 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385197/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385169/ | 16:05 |
| amrith | the former more than the latter has a serious impact for trove | 16:05 |
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| amrith | should we discuss here, or later? | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | here is fine i think | 16:06 |
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| amrith | ok, thanks | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | damn, regex, lol | 16:06 |
| gcb | nothing for Nova as I know | 16:06 |
| amrith | these two changes introduce an incompatible behavior | 16:06 |
| amrith | and I think they should be examined much more closely | 16:06 |
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| amrith | I'm concerned that 385197 already has one +2 | 16:07 |
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| amrith | the whole concept of multiple keys and expressions was introduced on purpose | 16:07 |
| amrith | and I think this change undermines that | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | how so? | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | (not disagreeing, just wondering) :) | 16:08 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, will post a longer comment on the bug if that's ok | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | thats fine :) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll keep an eye out | 16:09 |
| amrith | thx harlowja_at_home; I just wanted to raise the concern about it here. | 16:09 |
| amrith | the normal process will (I think) be sufficient | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | makes sense :) | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thx amrith | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Ocata | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i'm going to get a oslo release pack (many) today | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | anything specific people want to make sure is in that? | 16:11 |
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| gcb | harlowja_at_home, we need a release :-) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | release all the things then! | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic PTG oslo | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i'm putting in a request for the PTG space | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | since this will be the first PTG let's see how that works out :) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/thread.html#105672 | 16:13 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | may or may not turn out useful, but worth a shot :-P | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | I'm planning to be at the ptg. | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | we can all sit around and smoke cigars if it isn't useful, lol | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, cool | 16:15 |
| gcb | what's the location of PTG for Pike ? | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | atlanta i think | 16:16 |
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| amrith | yes, atlanta | 16:17 |
| gcb | thanks, need talk with my boss :-) | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya me to, lol | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action gcb harlowja talk to your bosses about PTG | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:18 |
| gcb | there will be 4 times to meet each other in one year :-) | 16:18 |
| gcb | lol | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, its more travel than i really want :-P | 16:18 |
| johnsom | Same here | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i'm willing to give it a shot | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | and i already have to travel to NY (upstate) for visiting family... | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | blah | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
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| bknudson | I'll be going for keystone, too. | 16:19 |
| bknudson | luckily oslo never had midcycle meetups | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, pretty sure u could spend 4 months just on planes | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic BCN summit | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | soooo as folks know we got a summit soon :) | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | if u don't know, we'll now u know | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll be spending this week getting our etherpads and such in order | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | but any help is also appreciated | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | we also have ongoing 'live from oslo' session update | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people want to give feedback on those slides, i'm sure it'd be appreciated | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i won't give out the link just yet, just ask in oslo channel if u want to help review it :) | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | also no meeting next week (for obvious reasons) | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lots of interesting stuff @ https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, that's all i had :) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, do u want to try the spec review day say on wed? | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | never quite got around to making that happen (sorry about that) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | and/or spec and/or review day | 16:27 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home just lost connection , will help review :-) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | also if people have any brilliant ideas | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-ideas | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | feel free to write them down there :) | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, anything else from folks? | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | if not we'll see (for those who are going) folks in barcelona ! | 16:30 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, when will the slides for live_from_solo be ready ? | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb will priv. message u those | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | don't want folks to see them to early :-P | 16:31 |
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| gcb | k | 16:31 |
| rbradfor | I hope people enjoy barcelona, unfortunately I will not be able to attend | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( | 16:32 |
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| gcb | :( | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, durn, we need that special someone (from down under) who will counter other aussie (or new zealand) folks running in the room at complaining, lol | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess i'll have to do it this time, lol | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | * running in the room and complaining | 16:36 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I will be down under when Barcelona event is on, so I will be thinking of you | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | safe travels to folks; and meeting in 2 weeks :) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 16:38:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-10-17-16.01.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-10-17-16.01.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-10-17-16.01.log.html | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh ya, #openstack-oslo for more fun! | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | (as usual) | 16:38 |
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| julen | hi dbite | 18:00 |
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| dbite | Hello | 18:00 |
| dbite | #startmeeting training_labs | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 18:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training_labs)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:01 |
| julen | the guy has not come yet | 18:01 |
| dbite | julen: rock and roll \m/ | 18:01 |
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| julen | well well... next week the meeting will be in Barcelona :) | 18:01 |
| julen | \m/ | 18:01 |
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| dbite | yes :D | 18:01 |
| julen | any news about Roger? | 18:02 |
| dbite | next meeting will have beers included | 18:02 |
| dbite | not sure if he is still busy. We where working yesterday. | 18:02 |
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| rluethi | sorry, running late. | 18:03 |
| julen | hi rluethi! | 18:03 |
| rluethi | hi guys. | 18:03 |
| dbite | rluethi: Hi! | 18:03 |
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| julen | rluethi: you rock!! I fixed bomsi thanks to you! :D | 18:04 |
| julen | now it's 100% functional :) | 18:04 |
| rluethi | ? I didn't do anything. | 18:04 |
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| julen | (I just compared all the config files with osbash and I found some little differences which were not documented) | 18:04 |
| julen | well... you took care of solving the non documented issues for osbash... ;) | 18:05 |
| julen | (or wrong documented...) | 18:05 |
| rluethi | I am curious. What were those issues? | 18:05 |
| julen | something with the glance "api_servers = http://controller:9292" | 18:06 |
| julen | have to go | 18:06 |
| julen | talk later | 18:06 |
| rluethi | hmm.. interesting. | 18:06 |
| rluethi | ttyl | 18:06 |
| rluethi | so, pranav, any news from the KVM front? | 18:07 |
| dbite | rluethi: Fixed it : ) | 18:07 |
| dbite | Now it works. | 18:07 |
| rluethi | dbite: did I miss a patch? | 18:07 |
| dbite | The shutdown command was not behaving mostly due to systemd I assume. | 18:08 |
| dbite | rluethi: I have updated it with Newton port. | 18:08 |
| rluethi | dbite: Cool. I'll check it out. | 18:08 |
| rluethi | What were the issues on Windows 10 you mentioned? | 18:09 |
| dbite | rluethi: May be it is my installation but the hostonly networks fail to create. | 18:09 |
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| dbite | I created them manually and proceeded, after the base disk installation I gave up because it started giving shared disk issues which you were working to fix. | 18:10 |
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| rluethi | Did you ever test it on Windows 10 before? | 18:10 |
| dbite | I do not remember if it was windows 10 the last time I tested on windows was 3-4 months back. | 18:10 |
| dbite | I may have but I cannot really say :( | 18:10 |
| rluethi | Is it possible it never worked with Win 10? | 18:10 |
| rluethi | It could be a new security model. | 18:11 |
| dbite | Yes it is or may be because I have home edition. | 18:11 |
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| dbite | I agree. | 18:11 |
| rluethi | I had to do some trickery to get the privileges required to configure the hostonly interfaces | 18:11 |
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| rluethi | We need to sort this out soon. Windows 10 is a thing now, whether we like it or not. | 18:12 |
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| dbite | rluethi: I agree/ | 18:13 |
| dbite | rluethi: Otherwise, I guess Newton port is mergable. | 18:13 |
| dbite | I really wish to move on with the parser and other things on top. | 18:13 |
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| dbite | #topic newton_port | 18:15 |
| dbite | Agree to merge the newton patch? | 18:15 |
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| dbite | #topic newton_port | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton_port (Meeting topic: training_labs)" | 18:16 | |
| rluethi | I guess. I just started testing with KVM, so it would have to be based on your results. | 18:16 |
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| rluethi | Also, someone needs to look into Win 10. Will you? | 18:17 |
| dbite | rluethi: From my side Vbox and KVM for Linux works as expected. For mac vbox tested with 13 repeats till it hit the race condition. | 18:17 |
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| rluethi | which race condition? | 18:17 |
| dbite | The one where it hits virtualization related race. | 18:18 |
| rluethi | should I know about it? I don't know what you mean. | 18:18 |
| dbite | We where talking about it, thinking if ECC RAM would help. | 18:18 |
| dbite | Remeber? | 18:18 |
| dbite | But after debugging it was nothing to do with Newton port. | 18:19 |
| rluethi | Oh, that. I don't think it's a race. I think it's just plain old memory corruption. | 18:19 |
| dbite | Yes, probably | 18:19 |
| rluethi | Wth Newton I am seeing new error messages, but that could just be systemd reacting slightly different to the same type of problems. | 18:20 |
| dbite | rluethi: I agree. Systemd has some things are changed. | 18:21 |
| dbite | *With systemd some things have changed. | 18:21 |
| rluethi | So, let's merge Newton and resolve to make any issues we find with Newton a top priority when they emerge. | 18:21 |
| dbite | rluethi: :) sounds good. | 18:21 |
| dbite | rluethi: The windows 10 one should be important as soon as we merge Newton. | 18:22 |
| dbite | Anything else here? | 18:22 |
| dbite | julen: Can you test Newton? | 18:22 |
| rluethi | Having no Windows 10 system, I don't even know where to start. | 18:22 |
| dbite | I will release newton immidiately. | 18:22 |
| rluethi | I thought julen is gone? | 18:22 |
| dbite | OOps, just saw that, NMy bad. | 18:23 |
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| dbite | *forgot about that. Re-read the messages again. | 18:24 |
| dbite | Next topic? | 18:24 |
| rluethi | dbite: can you try Mitaka on Windows 10? That would at least give us a hint. | 18:24 |
| dbite | rluethi: Yes. I will test and debug it with complete details. Also send some patches on top :). | 18:24 |
| dbite | #topic rst2bash | 18:24 |
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| rluethi | I am trying to update my repo and I am getting a merge conflict. | 18:25 |
| dbite | Which one | 18:26 |
| dbite | ? | 18:26 |
| dbite | Just delete the branch and do a git-review -d $patch number | 18:26 |
| dbite | or is it the parser? | 18:26 |
| rluethi | I think you rewrote history again. | 18:26 |
| rluethi | It's merged now. | 18:26 |
| dbite | Alright! You mean the parser. | 18:27 |
| rluethi | Yes. | 18:27 |
| rluethi | I still think that running a program like ./parser.py should give some helpful output, not | 18:27 |
| rluethi | File "./parser.py", line 31, in <module> | 18:28 |
| rluethi | rstFile = sys.argv[1] | 18:28 |
| rluethi | IndexError: list index out of range | 18:28 |
| dbite | SOrry for that, this is the last repository that I am rewriting history in this horrible manner. Even my private/personal ones, I hit some embarrassing issues due to horrible commit messages etc. | 18:28 |
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| dbite | You have to do a git submodule init && git submodule udpate. THen give the RST file to it. | 18:28 |
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| dbite | Sorry for these weird issues, in a day or two I will have the parser automatmically parse and launch labs to install the cluster :). | 18:28 |
| dbite | It will be one click. | 18:29 |
| dbite | rluethi: Meanwhile I had some news :). | 18:29 |
| rluethi | k? | 18:29 |
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| dbite | I will be creating a new repository for the parser. | 18:29 |
| dbite | It is to keep the commit history independent and this will not be a project but just a repo under docs. | 18:30 |
| dbite | After a few months of using and stabilizing the parser we will think about the next step for the parser. May be it is a oslo lib or a sphinx extn. | 18:30 |
| dbite | Meanwhile, I will be create a non-compulsory check with jenkins. | 18:31 |
| rluethi | Hah. I think you will need a reviewer who will remind to clean up your code :). | 18:31 |
| dbite | Yes, I will add the training-labs core team as the maintainer and reviewer rights for the same :),. | 18:31 |
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| rluethi | Totally unrelated question: do you thinks your shutdown patch was KVM specific? If so, why, and what were the symptoms? | 18:33 |
| dbite | rluethi: It is nmore systemd specific. | 18:33 |
| julen | I'm back | 18:33 |
| dbite | julen: Awesome! | 18:33 |
| rluethi | welcome back | 18:33 |
| julen | the old tenant came to get some super heavy stuff he left | 18:33 |
| dbite | rluethi: It is more elegant with systemd to do so. I could fetch the exact specific reasons for doing this but it is a waste of time IMO. | 18:34 |
| dbite | #topic general_discussion | 18:34 |
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| julen | wait, I read what you said | 18:34 |
| dbite | rluethi: Do you not agree with the shutdown change? | 18:36 |
| julen | dbite: last week I tested Newton on Ubuntu and it went good (except the test_horizon :P) | 18:36 |
| dbite | julen: We have a lot of changes since then Additionally it would be awesome if you could run repeat test for a few hours. | 18:36 |
| julen | dbite: well... with the new trick rluethi told me I'm not afraid anymore. I'll put it tonight right after this and will report right after | 18:37 |
| rluethi | dbite: I was hoping to keep the systemd-specific changes confined to a few files and to write them so they would work with and without systemd, but most distros have switched to systemd anyway. So maybe it's for the better to use systemctl. | 18:37 |
| dbite | rluethi: I agree, obs & rdo are all using systemd already | 18:38 |
| rluethi | dbite: even debian. | 18:38 |
| dbite | rluethi: THen it is a done deal. | 18:38 |
| rluethi | dbite: agreed. | 18:38 |
| julen | and we are only installing on Ubuntu... | 18:39 |
| rluethi | Okay, so the Windows 10 issue still makes me nervous. Just when I thought I could relax for a few weeks. | 18:39 |
| julen | aren't we? | 18:39 |
| dbite | julen: With the parser it gets really simple to do it with all install guides supported distros. | 18:40 |
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| rluethi | julen: correct. but we had a half-working fedora setup once. | 18:40 |
| julen | oh! ok, I undertand now | 18:40 |
| rluethi | julen: and we still want to expand to centos. | 18:40 |
| julen | rluethi: that sounds good | 18:40 |
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| dbite | Anything else to report? | 18:42 |
| dbite | Or discuss? | 18:42 |
| dbite | I think we could wrap it up early today :). | 18:42 |
| julen | I'm good | 18:43 |
| rluethi | good for now. | 18:43 |
| dbite | Awesome! Great job guys. We have Newton release on time :D | 18:44 |
| dbite | ANd a lot of features. But we are barely getting started! | 18:44 |
| rluethi | but we should talk at least briefly before taking off for barcelona. | 18:44 |
| dbite | rluethi: julen Yes, a meeting over the weekend would be good. | 18:44 |
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| rluethi | yes | 18:44 |
| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:45 | |
| julen | dbite: agree, or at least a quick phone call, to fix some details | 18:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 18:45:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-10-17-18.01.html | 18:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-10-17-18.01.txt | 18:45 |
| julen | bye guys | 18:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-10-17-18.01.log.html | 18:45 |
| rluethi | bye | 18:45 |
| dbite | julen: Yes for sure. Let's keep in touch. | 18:45 |
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| dbite | bye guys | 18:45 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 20:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | hi diazjf | 20:01 |
| diazjf | hey dave-mccowan, looks like its just us | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | maybe everyone headed to barcelona early? | 20:02 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan maybe getting a nice vacation out of it :) | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | here's the agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | just in case someone reads this later.... | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Summit | 20:05 |
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| dave-mccowan | i posted our official schedule: | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Barbican | 20:05 |
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| dave-mccowan | we can adjust the schedule like we usually do, but i tried bucket each topic into a time slot, so interested folks can make sure they are at a particular session | 20:06 |
| diazjf | awesome, 2 days seems reasonable over the 4 days. | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | the operator track tagged our fish bowl session (I called it "operator and user feedback") | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | so hopefully we're get a room full of operators with requirements, and not too many slings and arrows | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic clean up | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | our review queue is really long, i've been working to shorten it. please, any cores help with reviews. if we get the backlog shorter, incoming review won't be drowned out | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | also our launchpad blueprint list has a long back log. | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | we can go through this at summit. there are some that are complete, but not marked so. and some are obsolete (related to CA). | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic open discussion | 20:10 |
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| dave-mccowan | any thoughts diazjf? | 20:10 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan all sounds good, I'm gonna try and get some reviews done over this week so send me any urgent ones | 20:11 |
| diazjf | also for cleanup, maybe we can discuss doing small cleaning to barbican code -> fixing/removing TODOs in code. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | it's a lot of low hanging fruit right now. maybe when we clear those, we'll find the urgent ones. :-) | 20:12 |
| diazjf | haha yeah sounds good! | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | fyi, i've been pinging the stable-core release team to help us with our stable/mitaka branch. the gates are broken, so we can't merge back ports and there are a couple that need to be merged. | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | i guess that's all for today. | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | see you next week! | 20:14 |
| diazjf | see ya!! thanks dave | 20:15 |
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| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 20:15:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-17-20.00.html | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-17-20.00.txt | 20:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-10-17-20.00.log.html | 20:15 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 17 21:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:00 |
| piet_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| kencjohnston | o/ howdy | 21:00 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
| pchadwick | I can only see the first slide in the roadmap deck. | 21:01 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | I'm back my web client crashed on me... | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Who is here for the product WG meeting? | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | o/ (again) | 21:03 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:03 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | The agenda for the meeting can be found here | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Low turn out today, no surprise. | 21:04 |
| CarolBarrett_ | We've got a couple of things to cover. | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | After this meeting, aside from BCN, our next meeting will be 11/7 | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | #topic Working Session in Barcelona | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Hmmmm, not sure meetbot is working... | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #endmeeting | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Definitely not.... | 21:06 |
| Rockyg | Oops. just missed this. | 21:06 |
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| Rockyg | bug layoff at HPE today | 21:06 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | It was a challenge to find a time for our working session in BCN that didn't have a lot of conflicts for attendees | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Hi Rockyg | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett_ | We are scheduled for 10/27 from 11:00 -12:30 | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Does everyone have that on your calendar? | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston | I do | 21:07 |
| * pchadwick does | 21:07 | |
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| MadhuKashyap | Yes | 21:08 |
| MeganR | yes | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett_ | excellent! | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Session_Oct16_BCN | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett_ | That's the etherpad for the session | 21:08 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | Looking for someone to lead the Ocata Goals discussion - any volunteers? | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | I'll signup | 21:09 |
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| pchadwick | I thought we decided that Ocata was mostly maintenance and we should focus on Pike? | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick: Yikes, did we tell the project teams that? :) | 21:10 |
| CarolBarrett_ | The discussion topic was around goals for the WG during the Ocata cycle - sorry about that | 21:10 |
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| shamail | o/ | 21:10 |
| CarolBarrett_ | LOL | 21:10 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Hi Shamail | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | kencjohnston: hah | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | kencjohnston: Lines 22/23 in the Etherpad. | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | That said, I'm willing to help. | 21:12 |
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| kencjohnston | To CarolBarrett_ I think the Goals and Leads discussion is more about our goals as the PWG | 21:12 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | kencjohnston: Agree | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | makes sense | 21:12 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick: will you lead that discussion? | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Never mind, kencjohnston beat you to it. | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Thanks kencjohnston! | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | I'll add pchadwick as well. :) | 21:13 |
| pchadwick | Well - you asked for volunteers - so yes. | 21:13 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Thanks to both of you! | 21:14 |
| CarolBarrett_ | If you have any other open discussion topics, pls add them to the etherpad too. | 21:14 |
| CarolBarrett_ | any questions/comments about the BCN working session? | 21:14 |
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| kencjohnston | none here | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | No | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett_ | OK - let's move on | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #topic Roadmap Presentation content review | 21:15 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtM4AiszlEyak51cVZkUVVmMlU/view?usp=sharing | 21:15 |
| CarolBarrett_ | This is a draft, very interested in help to improve the content! | 21:16 |
| CarolBarrett_ | As you'll see, we created a couple of slides to cover the top 3-4 deliverables, focusing on value prop, for the top 8 projects | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Could especially use help on those slides | 21:17 |
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| kencjohnston | Can you provide some brief rationale for the "Top 8" slides? Not on teh choice of the top 8, but why have a specific call out? | 21:18 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | kencjohnston: We wanted to provide some specific info for the audience about the newton release, in addition to educating them about the roadmap, where to findit and how to read it | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | OK, so this is kinda like "highlights from the newton release" got it makes sense. | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Yes, that's it. | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Is there something we can do to make that more clear? | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Also, do people agree or have other thoughts on the top 3 for each project? | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | And we wanted it to focus on customer value props. | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | Some of the line items from the PTLs are pretty low level. | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | Maybe in the title slide that says "newton highlights" have a sub-heading that says "A culmination of the OpenStack release notes for the top/core eight projects." | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | and link to the full release notes. | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | Makes sense | 21:22 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | That's good! | 21:22 |
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| kencjohnston | is glance in or out of the top 8? | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello, sorry for being late | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | culmination isn't the right word, "abbreviated" "distillation"? | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | Cliff notes? | 21:23 |
| KrishR | i would think Glance belongs above Telemetry in the Top 8 | 21:23 |
| kencjohnston | Cliff Notes for the OpenStack Release Notes | 21:23 |
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| kencjohnston | KrishR: Glance is in the backup section | 21:23 |
| shamail | That’s a good idea kencjohnston | 21:23 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | We looked over the glance info, but weren't able to translate it into strong customer value props, so we decided to focus on the other 8 | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | makes sense, CarolBarrett_ I agree with that decision. | 21:25 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Glad to hear that | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1. The only key glance delivered was usage of conder as backend of glance. | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | And that still doe snot work | 21:26 |
| KrishR | CarolBarrett: am ok with that decision | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | It also added some Hyper-V disk support which is admittedly a corner-case. | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we want to have a slide that tie them together? like CI, refstack? | 21:27 |
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| pchadwick | I think we are trying to cut down on the slides, no? | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett_ | What's the feedback on the items listed for the other 8 projects? | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick: +1 | 21:27 |
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| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett_: It appears that some speak to operator value, but others are more Openstack developer value. | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Agree on fewer slides. | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: which slides are the ones that you consider closest to done? | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | For instance - Horizon "Angular actions return a structured object." | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | That one did not get my vote. | 21:29 |
| pchadwick | I'm assuming that most of the people that come to our session are operators more than developers. | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett_ | kencjohnston: good point | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But we still need to say verbally that there other pieces that are on community roadmap that are required and being done to deliver on themes to support all projects | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pcahdwick: I think all of the value prop slides are WIP | 21:30 |
| kencjohnston | The Neutron ones all appear to be good and geared towards operators/app developers | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | CarolBarrett +1 | 21:30 |
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| pchadwick | For some reason - I have 15 or 16 slides in the deck, and some of them repeat. | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Arkady_Kanevsky: we'll make that point through slides 7-11 | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | We talk about "convergence mode" in Heat a lot, I which we had a better way of explaning the value here. "Self Healing/Updating Stacks"? | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | s/which/wish | 21:31 |
| pchadwick | Ah - I see that they are the builds. | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick: You're looking at the presentation deck, which includes manual build slides | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | Nova looks good, keystone looks good | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: yes, thanks. | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | still 25 build sldies | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Slide 15 and 20 will not be in the final deck | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | AODH - "Batch" ? | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | Batch processing to improve throughput. | 21:32 |
| pchadwick | Somehow got truncated in translation. | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick: OK, those words are better. :) | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett_ | kencjohnston: we're struggling with the translation for telemetry. Can you help? | 21:32 |
| kencjohnston | I'd suggest not breaking out into Ceilometer and AODH and keeping them as they are | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | the composite rules for aodh are for alarming right? | 21:33 |
| shamail | yep | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | So "Composite rules for alarms" | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | Yes - If and/or | 21:33 |
| kencjohnston | and delete the "Batch" | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | slide 29 had the first pass | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | then the four are just Magnum Support, New Meters, Message batch processing and Composite rules for alarms | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what about Gnocchi that is part of telemetry? | 21:34 |
| KrishR | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | Don't list the subproject names, no one wants to have to know them. | 21:34 |
| kencjohnston | Although now I'm hungry... | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: There were no releaes notes for Gnocchi. | 21:35 |
| * pchadwick looked | 21:35 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | then why are we separate cilometer and AODH? | 21:35 |
| pchadwick | First pass - I am ok with not making the distinction | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett_ | kencjohnston +1 | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | pchadwick - OK | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | In that case I prefer not to list ceilometer and AODH as separate sections under telemetry | 21:36 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Can you all help with Neutron too? Would like more impactful benefits | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that will avoid gnocchi question | 21:37 |
| pchadwick | Yes. | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Ditto Swift | 21:37 |
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| kencjohnston | I actually like the Neutron ones | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | Swift I like them as well accept for the last one | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | because it is cut off | 21:38 |
| shamail | I am going to have to drop to prep for a 6P meeting. I look forward to seeing all of you next week! Carol, did we confim Thursday w/ Erin? | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | I agree on the Swift ones - they are straight forward. | 21:39 |
| kencjohnston | what is the final line on the last one? | 21:39 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Shamail: Yes, Our working session is the 27th from 11:00 -12:30 | 21:39 |
| pchadwick | performance improvement for erasure coding | 21:39 |
| kencjohnston | ah perfect | 21:39 |
| shamail | Thank you! | 21:39 |
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| pchadwick | Since we are going to end up doing a bunch of builds, cutting the number of slides seems less relevant | 21:40 |
| pchadwick | Perhaps we do 2 projects a slide which gives a bit more room | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick: +1; It's about making the content better suited to presentation | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick - could do that | 21:41 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Do we have the right items for Horizon? | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | Carolbarrett: I agree on relevance - it is just that at some point we lose some signal. | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | I think the only really relevant Horizon item is the last one "Support for managing neutron L3 agent hosts" | 21:42 |
| pchadwick | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:42 |
| pchadwick | and possibly Admin dashboard for floating IPs. | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | Unless there is a specific user improvement that the other three provide | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | oh if we have Admin dashboard for Floating IPs that is great | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett_ | What about the ability to operate Horizon without Nova or Glance? | 21:43 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett_: I saw that, does that mean previously Horizon would fail if no Nova endpoint was available? | 21:44 |
| pchadwick | Is that what "standalone Horizon" means? | 21:44 |
| david-lyle | yes | 21:44 |
| david-lyle | re: Horizon | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett_ | kencjohnston: I'm assuming so | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett_ | thanks David-lyle | 21:44 |
| david-lyle | we used to required nova and glance | 21:44 |
| david-lyle | in addition to keystone | 21:44 |
| david-lyle | but for say a swift/keystone deployment horizon will now work | 21:45 |
| kencjohnston | david-lyle: is the primary use case there for swift deployments | 21:45 |
| david-lyle | kencjohnston: yes | 21:45 |
| david-lyle | but also some clouds have variable service catalogs | 21:45 |
| pchadwick | Can we just say Horizon supports Swift-only deployments | 21:45 |
| david-lyle | depending on the users roles and what they're logging into | 21:45 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick: +1 | 21:45 |
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| david-lyle | *user | 21:46 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Theoretically, wouldn't it be possible for people to use Horizon in other custom configs? | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | "Support for Swift Only Users"? | 21:46 |
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| kencjohnston | I get david-lyle's point, if you have a cloud with Nova but you don't want to provide access to that endpoint to a set of keystone users who should only use swift | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | they couldn't use horizon before | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | Yes, and we can say "and other custom configurations" | 21:47 |
| notmyname | FYI hurricanerix is interested in swift+horizon work. I just told him y'all were talking about it in here | 21:47 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett_ | So how do we want to capture that in a short 1 liner? | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | Horizon support for Swift Only Users | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | (... and other custom configs) | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick: +1 | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Got it - thanks! | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | So, I have 3 for Horizon now, | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | ...Swift only | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick: yes | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | ... manage Neutron L3... | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | ... floating IPs \ | 21:49 |
| CarolBarrett_ | 4 in total | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol for the future PTL questionare we need to ask them for top 3. | 21:50 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Arkady_Kanevsky: Agree. Also think we should put more effort into gettting the Ops value prop | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for operators not developers. | 21:51 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 21:51 |
| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick:The 4th one i have is Plugin access to Keystone Tokens | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | OK | 21:51 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Any other comments? | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett_ | This has been very helpful! | 21:52 |
| CarolBarrett_ | IF you do have other thoughts, pls send them to me and I'll work with Pete and Shamail to finalize the deck | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett_ | The last topic for today is planning for the Ops Meetup | 21:53 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Ops+Summit%3A | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Are User Story Owners set for sessions that relate to your user stories? Does anyone need coverage? | 21:54 |
| KrishR | CarolBarrett: I need coverage | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | KrishR: I can cover fleet | 21:55 |
| KrishR | requesting kencjohnston to cover for me on Fleet | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | KrishR: :) | 21:55 |
| KrishR | :) | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett_ | thanks kencjohnston | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Any other coverage needed? | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett_ | I'll take that to mean no... | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett_ | We have a couple of mins left - any opens? | 21:56 |
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| kencjohnston | none here, thanks CarolBarrett_ ! | 21:57 |
| piet_ | Yeah | 21:57 |
| Rockyg | nope | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | What is the assumption on the Feedback to PWG session? | 21:57 |
| MeganR | Safe travels everyone! | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | see you in barcelona | 21:57 |
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| kencjohnston | MeganR: +1 | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | ciao | 21:57 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | pchadwick: Shamail is leading that...it's based upon the questions we got from PTLs during the roadmap update cycle. | 21:57 |
| CarolBarrett_ | Would be good to have other PWG folks attend to help out too | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | OK - I appear to have an analyst meeting then :( | 21:58 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | I'm hoping to cover that session. | 21:58 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | See you in Barcelona! | 21:58 |
| CarolBarrett_ | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | I'll put it on my agenda and see what I can do | 21:58 |
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| CarolBarrett_ | meetbot is broken, not sure how to free up the channel for the next group... | 22:00 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 22:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 17 22:27:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-17-21.00.html | 22:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-17-21.00.txt | 22:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-10-17-21.00.log.html | 22:27 |
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| anteaya | CarolBarrett_: you had started the meeting as a different nickname at 43 seconds after the hour, you tried to end it at 2 minutes to the hour | 22:52 |
| anteaya | CarolBarrett_: next time, if you wait until 60 minutes has passed from the timestamp when you started the meeting, you can end the meeting as any nickname | 22:52 |
| anteaya | only the nicks recognized as chairs can end it before the 60 minutes are up | 22:53 |
| anteaya | so meetbot was fine, the fact you had a different nickname was the issue | 22:53 |
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