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| EmilienM | hola | 14:00 |
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| EmilienM | that's the only thing I know in spanish | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 14:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| dtrainor | :) | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| adarazs | \o | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| ccamacho | xD Hola | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:00 |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | who is here today? | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | ccamacho: and also "jajajajajajajaja" | 14:01 |
| cdearborn | \o | 14:01 |
| akrivoka | \o | 14:01 |
| mwhahaha | hola | 14:01 |
| mandre | o/ | 14:01 |
| beagles | oo/ | 14:01 |
| jpich | o/ | 14:01 |
| dprince | hey | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | which is the thing I usually write after too much beers | 14:01 |
| rhallisey | hi | 14:01 |
| dtrainor | howdy. | 14:01 |
| shadower | hey | 14:01 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:01 |
| trown | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| ccamacho | EmilienM LOL | 14:01 |
| marios | \o | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | ok let's do a quick meeting today | 14:01 |
| panda | no roll call ? ok \o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | akrivoka: o/ please go ahead | 14:02 |
| matbu | o/ | 14:02 |
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| akrivoka | so, we need post-deployment config for the ui | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | do we need a blueprint/specs? | 14:02 |
| shardy | akrivoka: I added a comment to the bug, do we know what exactly we're missing? | 14:03 |
| akrivoka | we were hoping to have a mistral workflow for this, and not have to manually do it in the ui | 14:03 |
| shardy | the plan was always to remove the os-cloud-config postconfig stuff | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | oh cool | 14:03 |
| shardy | so if possible, it'd be better to do that than perpetuate it in mistral | 14:03 |
| akrivoka | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1634505 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634505 in tripleo "Post-deployment config for UI" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Ana Krivokapić (akrivoka) | 14:03 |
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| d0ugal | shardy: +1 | 14:03 |
| saneax | o/ | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | ok it sounds like we need a spec to discuss about the problem to solve here | 14:04 |
| bandini | \o | 14:04 |
| rbrady | shardy: where would the init tasks end up? | 14:04 |
| shardy | akrivoka: context is we moved a bunch of stuff e.g endpoint and user creation into puppet, so in theory there shouldn't be a lot of stuff left in the postconfig | 14:04 |
| shardy | rbrady: what init tasks? | 14:04 |
| akrivoka | shardy: oh, I see, I didn't know that | 14:04 |
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| shardy | that's my question, exactly what's missing when you don't run the postconfig, and can we do it somewhere else | 14:05 |
| rbrady | shardy: https://github.com/openstack/python-tripleoclient/blob/master/tripleoclient/v1/overcloud_deploy.py#L712 | 14:05 |
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| shardy | without wiring os-cloud-config in via mistral | 14:05 |
| shardy | rbrady: yeah but we should be hitting https://github.com/openstack/python-tripleoclient/blob/master/tripleoclient/v1/overcloud_deploy.py#L731 | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | there is no postconfig anymore, we manage endpoints with puppet right? | 14:05 |
| shardy | that stuff is deprecated | 14:05 |
| shardy | or at least it's supposed to be | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | indeed | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | we could remove this postconfig i think and see how it works | 14:06 |
| shardy | IMO we don't need a spec, but we do need some analysis in the bug about what exactly the CLI post config is still doing | 14:06 |
| rbrady | shardy: ack | 14:06 |
| shardy | then we can either add it via puppet, heat or mistral | 14:06 |
| akrivoka | shardy: +1 | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | shardy: AFIK it's only about keystone endpoints right? | 14:07 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: we moved all that into puppet tho didn't we? | 14:07 |
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| dprince | EmilienM: the keystone endpoints patch got reverted because it broke upgrades initially. Did we add back all that functionality? | 14:07 |
| dprince | a long time back... | 14:08 |
| shardy | I thought we did but could be mistaken | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right so we don't need that stuff anymore | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | me too | 14:08 |
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| EmilienM | ok let's check it | 14:08 |
| shardy | EmilienM: well, according to akrivoka we do, hence my saying we need to firstly figure out why :) | 14:08 |
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| akrivoka | to be fair, I haven't been able to test it at all still, as I haven't been able to deploy successfully | 14:09 |
| shardy | yeah, entirely possible we missed a patch somewhere and that tripleoclient stuff has hidden it | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:09 |
| marios | i think for the liberty to mitaka upgrade we had to explicitly re-run postconfig fot the keystone endpoints after the (I think) ceilometer migration... but for right now/master I think it is what shardy says we do it but in puppet ... need to check though | 14:09 |
| dtrainor | akrivoka, i can help you with deployments today | 14:09 |
| shardy | maybe we can push a patch which disables the postconfig in the CLI and see what breaks | 14:09 |
| shardy | Doing that testing locally is probably a good first step | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | #action investigate if whether or not postconfig actions (keystone endpoints management) is still run in tripleo/master | 14:10 |
| akrivoka | dtrainor: thanks, that would be awesome | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | I would rather work on removing those postconfig things rather than moving them | 14:10 |
| marios | for the *aodh* migration correction http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tripleo-docs/post_deployment/upgrade.html#upgrading-the-overcloud | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | shardy: is that what you thought too? | 14:10 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: yes, definitely | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | ok. akrivoka: good for you too? | 14:12 |
| akrivoka | sounds good | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | excellent | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | I guess, depending on the results we'll have a different set of actions | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | 1) if we find out that yes, postconfig is still run and we manage keystone endpoints with tripleoclient, we'll need to work on moving it to puppet like other resources and manage upgrade workflow | 14:13 |
| akrivoka | I'll try to get a deployment working and investigate the necessity of post-deploy config | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | 2) if no, let's remove this code in tripleoclient and close the bug | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | we good? | 14:13 |
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| akrivoka | EmilienM: sounds good to me | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | dtrainor: go ahead | 14:14 |
| akrivoka | thanks guys | 14:14 |
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| dtrainor | hi EmilienM, thanks. since we now install ui by default, and ui now requires undercloud ssl, i wanted to ask if it's appropriate yet to start enabling ssl on the undercloud by default as well. i believe we'd be safe just defaulting generate_service_certificate to True. | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | dtrainor: enabling SSL by default sounds good to me, as long as we provide a good user experience by making things working by default (ie: generate certs, etc) | 14:15 |
| dtrainor | ...in the most simple basic case | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | do we have objections? | 14:15 |
| dtrainor | i've had ample experience working with an ssl-enabled undercloud as a requirement to making ui work and my experience has been pleasant | 14:15 |
| dprince | dtrainor: seems to me we'd have to if UI is on by default. We might consider making the UI opt-in though | 14:15 |
| dprince | dtrainor: having a lighter weight initial install that you build up seems reasonable too to me | 14:15 |
| dtrainor | dprince, worth bringing up as well, yes | 14:15 |
| dtrainor | agreed | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | to me, enabling SSL improves security and I like being the default | 14:16 |
| shardy | Unless it uses a lot of resources, I think we should have the UI enabled by default | 14:16 |
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| dprince | but if the UI is on by default and it requires SSL we have no choice to enable it too | 14:16 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: +1 | 14:16 |
| slagle | i will just grumble about how we keep making everything slower in CI by default | 14:16 |
| dtrainor | heh | 14:16 |
| shardy | IMO the target audience of the UI will want to do the absolute minimum of customizations to deploy | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | afik it's a webservice, I'm not sure how it will make things slower | 14:16 |
| dtrainor | shardy++ exactly | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | (except the puppet catalog on undercloud that might takes a few seconds longer to configure a single vhost) | 14:17 |
| shardy | we could disable it in some CI jobs tho | 14:17 |
| slagle | EmilienM: just the addition to the catalog will make things slower | 14:17 |
| slagle | we used to be able to install the uc in < 10 minutes | 14:17 |
| dprince | my take is, if we enable it in CI we should test it. Otherwise...perhaps it should be off to keep the jobs quicker/leaner | 14:17 |
| slagle | now we are 20 | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:17 |
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| shardy | yeah, we don't have to test everything in every job tho | 14:17 |
| d0ugal | EmilienM: Yeah, given it is entirely client side, unless a browser is viewing the UI it shouldn't do anything | 14:17 |
| dtrainor | part of that testing may involve the ui which will break if ssl is disabled | 14:17 |
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| shardy | like we could apply the scenario model to undercloud testing | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | enabling SSL is a good idea though, as we keep testing it. | 14:17 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: right | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | we have a CI job for undercloud-only | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | we could use it | 14:18 |
| dtrainor | excellent | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | and deploy UI on it | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | I can help you with details | 14:18 |
| dtrainor | it was nice to see this developed and tested btw | 14:18 |
| dtrainor | and improved | 14:18 |
| dtrainor | ssl on undercloud, that is | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | so any objection to use undercloud-only CI job to deploy SSL and UI ? | 14:19 |
| dtrainor | *golf clap* | 14:19 |
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| bnemec | EmilienM: So we would turn off the UI in the regular jobs? | 14:19 |
| bnemec | And maybe ceilometer too since we defaulted that to on again? | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | bnemec: well, as it is right now, no? | 14:20 |
| jpich | It's enabled by default | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | bnemec: I would ask pradk about ceilometer, a bit out of topic now | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | maybe separate ceilometer & UI topics | 14:20 |
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| dtrainor | cool, i'll work on enabling ssl on the undercloud by default. thanks EmilienM shardy slagle dprince for your feedback. | 14:21 |
| shardy | well it's all part of the same requirement, build a matrix of CI coverage for optional undercloud pieces | 14:21 |
| bnemec | Right | 14:21 |
| shardy | IMO there's no need to enable UI or ceilometer on all jobs | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | I saw lot of moves recently around ceilo on undercloud. I would sync with pradk | 14:21 |
| pradk | in master we do yea | 14:21 |
| shardy | only one job for each would be OK IMO | 14:21 |
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| EmilienM | right ^ | 14:22 |
| bnemec | Okay, sounds like we all agree. :-) | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | good | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | ok so slagle is currently working hard on bringing our multinode jobs alive | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | he has a patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387750/ | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | other than that, all other CI jobs should be ok | 14:23 |
| slagle | i'm not working that hard :) | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | OVB is working well | 14:23 |
| bandini | lol | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | I also have a FYI, thanks to bnemec we now have Mitaka jobs green again | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | "makes Mitaka great again" | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | ok sorry. | 14:23 |
| slagle | EmilienM: i think all jobs are actually failing now | 14:23 |
| beagles | :) | 14:23 |
| bnemec | EmilienM: You should be. :-P | 14:24 |
| slagle | on this pycparse issue | 14:24 |
| slagle | pycparser | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | anyway, CI is not in its best shape at this time | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | I would ask our reviewers to carefuly merge patches | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | and we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387750/ anyway | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | probably it's the best time to go to the beach | 14:24 |
| panda | and the strange thing is that periodic job are not that bad at the moment. | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | panda: are they failing? | 14:25 |
| slagle | https://github.com/eliben/pycparser/issues/151 | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | panda: why didn't we have a promotion in 6 days? https://dashboards.rdoproject.org/rdo-dev | 14:25 |
| panda | EmilienM: only nonha is failing, for that haproxy error | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | slagle: thx | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | panda: ok the ceilo stuff? | 14:25 |
| panda | EmilienM: the ceilo stuff combined with the bug on haproxy | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | panda: is it reported somewhere? | 14:26 |
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| panda | EmilienM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1634468 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634468 in tripleo "periodic nonha job fails to install undercloud" [High,Confirmed] | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | panda: seems like you got it covered | 14:27 |
| bnemec | Do we have a tag for promotion-blocking bugs? | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | the haproxy thing is weird | 14:27 |
| panda | EmilienM: yes, but I dont' understand why gates are acting so badly if periodic jobs are good | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | panda: did we fix the ceilometer/haproxy thing? | 14:27 |
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| EmilienM | bnemec: not afik | 14:28 |
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| bnemec | EmilienM: It sounds like ceilometer needs to bind on a specific ip instead of 0.0.0.0. This has been a common problem. | 14:28 |
| bnemec | Okay, I'll add one. | 14:28 |
| panda | bnemec: yes, we already have a patch for it | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | and we merged it AFIK | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | it's even in backport process now, right? | 14:28 |
| panda | bnemec: the other problem is haproxy is failing to report failure correctly | 14:28 |
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| panda | EmilienM: I don't see as backport | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | panda: this one right ? https://review.openstack.org/388035 | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | panda: or was it another patch? | 14:30 |
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| panda | EmilienM: that one, ye | 14:30 |
| panda | s | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | panda: please keep the bug updated with the maximum of infos in there | 14:30 |
| panda | EmilienM: ok | 14:30 |
| bnemec | Ugh, I hate moving services to WSGI this late in the cycle. | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | anything else outstanding about bugs? | 14:31 |
| bnemec | It has gone badly in the past. | 14:31 |
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| EmilienM | bnemec: on overcloud right. Undercloud is fine | 14:31 |
| panda | I have a request about CI, please comment here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105934.html | 14:31 |
| bnemec | I'm pretty sure it wasn't for ironic. | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | about CI I meant | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | panda: thanks | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | #action team to look at Gabriele's proposal on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105934.html | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | panda: do you want to discuss it here now? | 14:32 |
| panda | EmilienM: if there are comment from anyone, sure | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | panda: my only comment is about liberty. We don't care much about this release anymore, since it's EOL in less than 2 weeks. | 14:33 |
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| panda | EmilienM: ok, I think I can remove IPv6 config for that release then | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | yep | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | anything else about CI? | 14:34 |
| panda | EmilienM: great, thanks. | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | cool | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | do we have outstanding bugs that are not in our radar already? | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | I guess we have a bunch on ongoing work | 14:36 |
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| EmilienM | tag bugs *newton-rc-potential* if we want them backported | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | err not the right tag | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | : newton-backport-potential | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | i'll go ahead with next topic if nothing outstanding | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | #topic release management | 14:37 |
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| EmilienM | so we release tripleo RC3 today, it's done | 14:37 |
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| EmilienM | we still have a bunch of bugs open, but because of CI issues we can't land the fix | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | final release in on Thursday | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: I won't be here on Thursday, neither shardy | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: if you need a point of contact for TripleO, maybe you can ask on #tripleo channel | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | trown is also our release contact | 14:38 |
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| trown | I am? :) wfm | 14:39 |
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| EmilienM | once we close our current critical bugs that are still ongoing, I'll propose a new subrelease, probably within the next 2 weeks | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | trown: you are now. Welcome! | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | any question / feedback about release? | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | I'm a little sad to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387631/ coming late | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | as we already prepare our sessions | 14:41 |
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| shardy | fultonj: I know you were keen to get feedback on this | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | but I hope we can find time at the Summit to discuss about this one | 14:42 |
| fultonj | EmilienM: sorry about that | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | fultonj: we'll deal with it ;-) | 14:42 |
| fultonj | EmilienM: thanks ! | 14:42 |
| fultonj | if there's any feedback on it I'd welcome it and be happy to update | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | does anyone want to talk about a specs? | 14:43 |
| shardy | I think this is part of a broader discussion about how to handle interfacing with external tools, e.g not puppet or heat orchestrated deployments | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | a last reminder for people who own specs: make them ready to discuss for the Summit | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right, that's why i'm a little sad to see it so late, as it might require some time | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | shardy, fultonj: also, I would like to see some discussion (maybe on the ML) about it | 14:43 |
| fultonj | EmilienM: ok, i'll start a thread. | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | cool | 14:44 |
| shardy | sounds good, thanks fultonj | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | #topic Summit | 14:44 |
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| EmilienM | so we have an agenda www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=TripleO%3A | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | #link www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=TripleO%3A | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | I need to polish it this week | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | but mostly done | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | please let me know asap if you have a timing conflict | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | don't tell me you have conflict in Barcelona, it will be too late. | 14:45 |
| shardy | Last time I checked there were two conflicts with heat sessions, but I did request anti-affinity when the initial draft schedule was posted some time ago | 14:45 |
| shardy | so I assume there's nothing we can do about it | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | shardy: damn | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | shardy: there is nothing I can do between tripleo/heat sessions :( | 14:46 |
| shardy | we've had worse overlaps in the past, we'll manage it | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | shardy: what heat sessions? | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | shardy: maybe we can make change our sessions schedule? | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | I know containers session was tricky | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | I made sure flaper87 and rhallisey can join | 14:47 |
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| panda | ugh, they're actually on a different building than the main conference :( commute time. | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | dprince, trown, marios: you ok with schedule? you are chairs, so... | 14:47 |
| marios | EmilienM: unless upgrades on thursday has changed then yeah am good | 14:47 |
| * marios checks again | 14:48 | |
| trown | EmilienM: +1 for me | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | marios: no change | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | excellent | 14:48 |
| marios | thanks | 14:48 |
| shardy | Fri 28 9:50am-10:30am actually looks to be the only heat->tripleo conflict int he final schedule | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | shardy: let me know how can I help but I guess it's late now to change heat sessions | 14:48 |
| trown | I am flexible too if things need to be shuffled | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | shardy: ok, which topic is in heat session? | 14:48 |
| dprince | EmilienM: schedule seems fine to me | 14:49 |
| shardy | API microversions, so probably not essential to have all the TripleO folks there | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | sorry for conflict :-( | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | any feedback/question about summit? | 14:50 |
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| saneax | is there a list of folks attending the tripleo sessions? | 14:50 |
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| EmilienM | saneax: not afik | 14:50 |
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| shardy | saneax: No, they are open to everyone | 14:51 |
| saneax | ok | 14:51 |
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| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:52 |
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| EmilienM | fantastic, we have 8 min for open discussion | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | please go ahead if you have any question or feedback about anything | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | even a joke. Go ahead. | 14:52 |
| shardy | I'd appreciate ideas on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1633090 | 14:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633090 in tripleo "composable roles and network isolation" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 14:52 |
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| shardy | mcornea raised the idea of automatically generating the nic templates based on the networks enabled for each role | 14:53 |
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| shardy | calculated from the ServiceNetMap | 14:53 |
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| shardy | which is a nice idea, but I don't think we can do it without creating a versioned interface to the nic templates | 14:53 |
| shardy | e.g OS::TripleO::Controller::Net::SoftwareConfigv2 | 14:53 |
| shardy | or something | 14:53 |
| shardy | I'll start a ml thread with some ideas, but happy to get feedback on the bug also | 14:53 |
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| shardy | the problem is we need to pass the list of enabled networks into OS::TripleO::Controller::Net::SoftwareConfig | 14:54 |
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| shardy | which is not possible without breaking all existing users of that interface | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | shardy: right | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | we'll need a versioning, indeed | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | or an API transition between cycles | 14:55 |
| shardy | we could do it via j2 rendering so folks opt in to the new interface on a per-role basis | 14:55 |
| shardy | via roles_data.yaml | 14:55 |
| shardy | but perhaps there's a cleaner approach | 14:55 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: good | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | I'll close the meeting in 30s | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | I'm on PTO from now until Monday | 14:57 |
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| EmilienM | I'll check emails every day and IRC sometimes. | 14:57 |
| shardy | enjoy EmilienM | 14:57 |
| jrist | +1 | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | please don't break CI more than it's broken now :) | 14:57 |
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| shardy | I'm also out for the rest of this week | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | and see you on the other side (don't worry I'm not the pilot) | 14:57 |
| EmilienM | shardy: enjoy too | 14:58 |
| beagles | lo | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 14:58:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-10-18-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-10-18-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-10-18-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| ccamacho | thanks guys! | 14:58 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 15:06:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:06 |
| pcarver | hello | 15:06 |
| tmorin | hi doude, lewo, matrohon, pcarver, timirnich | 15:06 |
| doude | hi | 15:06 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:07 |
| tmorin | #topic announcements | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | only one announcement: we wrapped up the newton release last week :) | 15:08 |
| tmorin | 5.0.0 | 15:08 |
| tmorin | yay! | 15:08 |
| tmorin | #topic work in progress | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | we merged a few minor fixes | 15:11 |
| tmorin | we also merged a possibly very useful improvement to the db model, avoiding big (in number of rows) db queries | 15:11 |
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| pcarver | tmorin: I saw your comments on the api-ref review but last week was a total loss for me (massive week-long meeting) so I'm getting caught up and will address all points. | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | the queries the model was producing could potentially have a very large nmuber of rows | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/386608 | 15:12 |
| tmorin | pcarver: that's ok, but (see discuss to come on the neutron stadium scorecard) it will be nice to finish/merge it soonish | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | there is also the ROUTER_INTERFACE registry callbacks change that is waiting for a review by the other core (matrohon, this is you :) | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, ack | 15:14 |
| tmorin | this is https://review.openstack.org/381091 | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | the last big set of work in progress are changes to have more test jobs | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | pcregut has been working to create a devstack functional test job, which will be a better place for db test that HenryG contributed a while back | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | and this job will also be a good place when we add more functionnal jobs | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | and I've worked on adding additional jobs: coverage, python3 and periodic jobs | 15:16 |
| tmorin | and granafa graphing of test job failure rates | 15:16 |
| tmorin | see https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/project-config+owner:thomas.morin%2540orange.com | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: there is also this small python3 patch, which I believe makes the whole repo python3 ready (or at least is enough to have the unit test work with python3.5) | 15:18 |
| tmorin | --> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387941/ | 15:19 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, really, that's all missing to have py3 support? | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | with this change tox -epy35 is successful on my machine | 15:21 |
| tmorin | we will be able to confirm that in the gate when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387267/ will have merged | 15:22 |
| tmorin | but it does not mean that we have everything covered | 15:22 |
| tmorin | what is seen by unittest is covered, but for the rest... | 15:22 |
| tmorin | our unit test coverage is very decent so I would be optimistic, but there can be things we would have missed | 15:23 |
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| matrohon | the job python35 runs ut in py35 venv? | 15:25 |
| tmorin | yep | 15:26 |
| tmorin | that's what I believe at least | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | I would be surprised if it did something else | 15:26 |
| matrohon | well running neutron with a py32 env? | 15:27 |
| matrohon | s/py32/py35 | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | not sure what is your question, matrohon | 15:29 |
| matrohon | there is no question, just wondering what does this job do exactly | 15:30 |
| matrohon | we'll see | 15:30 |
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| tmorin | my understanding is that it simply runs the unit tests in a python3.5 interpreter | 15:31 |
| tmorin | neutron and many other projects have such jobs | 15:31 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:31 |
| tmorin | #topic neutron stadium scorecard | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | Armando has initiated the work for the score card of different stadium projects | 15:33 |
| tmorin | our scorecard is still empy | 15:33 |
| tmorin | but some others have content | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs+branch:master+topic:stadium-implosion | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | for some of them the conclusion is already written, e.g. http://docs-draft.openstack.org/10/383910/6/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/f1f8015//doc/build/html/specs/stadium/ocata/networking-odl.html#scorecard | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | the items on which we have work to do are: | 15:34 |
| tmorin | in particular (no order): openstack client (L1), grafana (C1), fullstack (C4), python3, grenade (C6), multinode (C7) | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | grafana is now in progress (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385335/) | 15:35 |
| tmorin | python3, as we discussed, is in progress as well | 15:35 |
| tmorin | having a neutron-lib periodic job improves our level of integration with neutron-lib | 15:36 |
| tmorin | so the biggest things missing are: fullstack (work in progress by a colleague, ythomas, but not sure we can finalize it for the deadline) | 15:37 |
| tmorin | and grenade | 15:37 |
| tmorin | and the openstack client | 15:37 |
| tmorin | doude: you kindly volunteerd for it, any update on the openstack client ? | 15:37 |
| doude | and for openstack client, I did not yet start but I plan to start work on this this afternoon or tomorrow | 15:38 |
| tmorin | doude: excellent | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | doude: even a WIP gerrit change will help give provide factual proof that we've started the work, that will help | 15:39 |
| doude | sure | 15:40 |
| doude | should not be a huge contrib | 15:40 |
| doude | s/huge/complex | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | doude: yes, hopefully the osc plugin framework has already mature, and you be easy to reuse | 15:43 |
| tmorin | doude: there is one thing though: support for sub-resources --- this is something on which python-neutronclient was not ready yet when we started to use them | 15:43 |
| tmorin | doude: let's hope osc has proper support for that already | 15:44 |
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| doude | yes, I'll look at it | 15:45 |
| tmorin | ok, cool | 15:46 |
| tmorin | #topic barcelona | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | is there a particular time where we could meet before Friday ? | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | ok, i'll see what kind of invite I can send | 15:47 |
| tmorin | #topic open discussion | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | what else ? | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | nothing else ? | 15:49 |
| tmorin | then we're done for today ! | 15:49 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone ! | 15:49 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 15:49:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-10-18-15.06.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-10-18-15.06.txt | 15:49 |
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| strigazi | containers team? | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | yep | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 16:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-10-18_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis o/ | 16:01 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| randallburt | o/ | 16:01 |
| muralia | o/ | 16:01 |
| jvgrant | Jaycen Grant | 16:01 |
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| tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
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| Fengshengqin1 | Fengshengqin | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello strigazi Drago randallburt muralia jvgrant tonanhngo Fengshengqin1 | 16:02 |
| muralia | Happy Tuesday everyone | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 16:03 |
| vijendar1 | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | hello hongbin and vijendar1 | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | let's begin | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Reminder: There will be no team meeting next week on 2016-10-25 because that is the week of the OpenStack Summit in Barcelona. | 16:04 |
| swatson_ | forgot to check in o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | Our Next meeting will be on 2015-11-01 at 1600 UTC. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | welcome swatson_ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Reminder: Please review our NodeGroup spec draft to prepare for our Summit discussion on this topic: | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/352734 [WIP] Add NodeGroup specification | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | this is a key topic of collaboration for our upcoming summit, and we are planning to share our plans with the community, so we'd like to be well prepared. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements from team members? | 16:05 |
| swatson_ | ^ the client-side stuff for the ID blueprint is almost ready | 16:06 |
| swatson_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383930/ | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | oh, great, swatson_! | 16:07 |
| swatson_ | adrian_otto: Thanks! More eyes on it would be good :) | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto follow up with Kuryr PTL to arrange a joint session | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Follow-up complete, coordination is in progress | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I'll follow up with an ML message with further details | 16:07 |
| tonanhngo | They have allocated their first session on Thursday for Magnum | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to email Magnum/Kuryr teams with details about join meetup plans prior to summit. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | then my action will be really easy! | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | thanks tonanhngo | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | 2) adrian_otto to remove BM Blueprint from Essential BP Review on team agenda | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | 3) adrian_otto to remove Docs Blueprint from Essential BP Review on team agenda | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Status: COMPLETE | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | 4) strigazi to create a magnum-specs repo | 16:09 |
| strigazi | I was sick from Thursday, I'll do it this week | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | oh, are you feeling better yet? | 16:09 |
| strigazi | yeap | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | oh, good. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | I'll carry that one forward | 16:10 |
| strigazi | thanks | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #action strigazi to create a magnum-specs repo | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | Do any team members have remarks for this section? | 16:10 |
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| Drago | adrian_otto: Are we going to discuss the NodeGroup spec during this meeting? | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | Drago: yes, let's cover that now | 16:11 |
| Drago | Thanks | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/352734 [WIP] Add NodeGroup specification | 16:11 |
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| strigazi | Add information about how Heat stacks are handled for Clusters and NodeGroups | 16:12 |
| strigazi | I think we can discuss this one. | 16:12 |
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| jvgrant | +1, this will be a significant change | 16:12 |
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| Drago | +1, my current thought is to have a stack for the Cluster, and 1 stack per NodeGroup | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | Our plan is to use a series of nested stacks, correct? | 16:13 |
| strigazi | I had a private discussion with Drago on that, we were on a good path. Drago do you want to explain? | 16:13 |
| randallburt | Drago: same question ^ as nested stacks or completely separate? | 16:13 |
| Drago | *Nested* stacks are going to be difficult to manage, because nested means they're inside another template | 16:13 |
| strigazi | Also | 16:13 |
| strigazi | nested stack resources are our main heat bottlenck | 16:13 |
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| randallburt | iirc, the heat team is working on that. triple0 has similar issues | 16:14 |
| strigazi | This part is not parallel and scales linearly | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | that's a bottleneck when creating a cluster (or creating a node group in the future), correct strigazi ? | 16:14 |
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| Drago | If we have a Cluster stack and a stack per nodegroup, it would not exacerbate the problem | 16:15 |
| strigazi | yes, when heat validates all nested stack *resources* after creating the masters and beforae creating the workers | 16:15 |
| Drago | I am not sure if the stacks being completely independent would help or not | 16:15 |
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| tonanhngo | Drago: How would resources be referenced across the separate stacks? | 16:16 |
| randallburt | if you're running heat with a single engine and worker, you won't see much difference either way | 16:16 |
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| strigazi | randallburt, ^^ what do you mean? | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | randallburt: what if the heat service has been scaled across numerous hosts? | 16:17 |
| randallburt | then there should be no major difference between nested or multiple adrian_otto | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | the question I think we are after is if magnum can arrange heat's work so that it scales better than linear in therms of work complete by number of heat engines. | 16:17 |
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| randallburt | the validation itself would take longer with nested though | 16:17 |
| Drago | tonanhngo: The properties set for the current nested stacks (in the top level template e.g. kubecluster.yaml) would be converted to outputs. Then magnum could pick them up and pass them as parameters to the nodegroup's stacks | 16:18 |
| strigazi | exactly | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | and if there is no meaningful difference might the separate stacks be harder to manage than nested ones? | 16:18 |
| hongbin | randallburt: how about stack-update (updating a big stack with nest stacks VS update specific stack) | 16:18 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: the logic would certainly be more complex I would imagine | 16:18 |
| hongbin | i think the pros of multiple stacks is that we can update specifc stack instead of always updating the big stack | 16:19 |
| hongbin | this is common for life-cycle operations i guess | 16:19 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: If the stacks are nested, you have to mess with the top-level template body directly | 16:19 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: again, the bottleneck will be in the initial "what needs doing" step and if you can do that on a separate stack that would be faster from a magnum standpoint | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | Drago: ok, got it. I see the desire to federate that clearly now. | 16:19 |
| randallburt | the actual orchestration after that isn't much different | 16:19 |
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| randallburt | so yeah, you get an easier implementation with using nested stacks but you could get faster and more fine-grained control using separate, but you'd have to do the synchronization of those stacks on your end | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | so our nodegroup resources will all be identified with the related cluster resource, so it will be trivial to act on a full set of them. | 16:21 |
| randallburt | potentially, anyway | 16:21 |
| Drago | I think it makes sense to have separate stacks because it means that magnum resources to stacks is 1:1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | in the current design, I think a NodeGroup can only belong to one cluster at a time, and we don't have plans to make it so you can orphan and adopt them into other clusters, correct? | 16:22 |
| strigazi | In the case of AZs I think it makes sense to have different stacks | 16:22 |
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| Drago | adrian_otto: Correct | 16:22 |
| jvgrant | adrain_otto: correct | 16:22 |
| strigazi | correct | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | in that case, let's cover what happens when you delete a cluster | 16:22 |
| randallburt | strigazi: you can put nested stacks in different AZ's though | 16:22 |
| randallburt | there's a resource for that | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | one option is to automatically delete all associated node groups | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | another option is to raise an exception unless there are no associated nodegroups. | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | or some combination thereof, like a flag to delete that indicates you want a recursive deletion of all nodegroups. | 16:23 |
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| Drago | The current behavior is (obviously) the former, so we could stick with that | 16:24 |
| strigazi | in the spec when creating a NG you must specify the cluster. also the cluster will hold the resources for networks | 16:24 |
| randallburt | I would assume that if you are deleting at the cluster level, you want the whole cluster gone. If you want to reduce availability of a particular group then scale it to 0 | 16:24 |
| Drago | And if it turns out we want the latter, it can be implemented later | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | agreed. I'd like us to record that intent in the spec. | 16:24 |
| jvgrant | currently the idea is a nodegroup can't exist without a cluster it is connected to | 16:25 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: Which intent? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | recursive delete | 16:25 |
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| strigazi | you mean rolling? | 16:25 |
| Drago | NodeGroups will also be manageable, so you can add or delete nodegroups from a cluster | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: no. yes. I was imagining a future state where a nodegroup might be transitioned from one cluster to another. | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | but I think that's too complex for a first iteration | 16:26 |
| tonanhngo | How about cluster-update? Would the change be applied recursively from the cluster, or separately per node group? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | having separate heat stacks per node group opens the door to that possibility though. | 16:27 |
| hongbin | tonanhngo: i think it depends on which attribute you want to update | 16:27 |
| jvgrant | i would think any operation on cluster would be applied recursively as it makes since for the operation | 16:28 |
| jvgrant | sense | 16:28 |
| randallburt | you could always make it explicit in the api cluster-wide and group specific operations, then punt to the driver to sort it | 16:28 |
| Drago | Is there a use-case for recursively updating something in all the nodegroups? There is also nodegroup-update, so we could have cluster-update only apply to cluster attributes and then enable specifying nodegroup attributes to do recursive updates if we need it | 16:29 |
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| randallburt | ^^ +1 | 16:29 |
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| Drago | The only thing updatable right now is node-count, and I don't know why you'd want that recursive | 16:29 |
| jvgrant | true, currently there is not something that needs this | 16:30 |
| randallburt | and it would be easy enough to automate if you did want to do it to all groups in the cluster | 16:30 |
| tonanhngo | it could get complicated for user to manage, figuring out which attribute to update at the cluster level and which for nodegroup level. | 16:30 |
| jvgrant | though that might change with the lifecycle operations | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | that one should not be handles recursively. | 16:30 |
| randallburt | jvgrant: you'd just have cluster-wide ones and group-specific ones in the api I would think | 16:31 |
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| Drago | I could see an argument for the convenience of doing a cluster update and being able to specify —master-node-count or —node-count and having it apply correctly IFF there's 1 master NG and 1 minion NG | 16:32 |
| strigazi | At this point our use cases are for cluster wide operations | 16:32 |
| jvgrant | randallburt: correct, i don't think we have the use case for needing the recursive yet. so we should not worry about it for now | 16:32 |
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| jvgrant | Drago: that could be handled in the CLI to just find and send the command to the correct nodegroup | 16:33 |
| Drago | jvgrant: Sure sure :) | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | another way to handle that is to do node-group-update and have an optional cluster_id to use instead of nodegroup name. In that case it coudl do what you asked for for all the nodegroups in the cluster. | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | or allow a list of nodegroups to act on | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | both are optiimzations we can defer. | 16:34 |
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| Drago | adrian_otto: Note that cluster_id is optional in the spec currently, because you can specify a NG_id that uniquely identifies the NG | 16:34 |
| Drago | In nodegroup-update and many other nodegroup commands | 16:35 |
| strigazi | -1 To orphan NGs | 16:35 |
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| strigazi | an NG must have a cluster IMO | 16:35 |
| Drago | strigazi: Yes, the optional cluster ID is just because you already have a NG ID, not because it's orphanable | 16:35 |
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| randallburt | strigazi: +1 | 16:36 |
| jvgrant | strigazi: +1 | 16:36 |
| swatson_ | strigazi +1 | 16:36 |
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| adrian_otto | +1 agreed. | 16:36 |
| strigazi | I think we can agree on the one stack per NG and iterate on that | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | sounds good to me. | 16:37 |
| Drago | I saw that tonanhngo had some concerns about ClusterTemplates, around how attributes work with them. I know that there was some confusion around this for others as well | 16:37 |
| hongbin | agree, one stack per NG is more elegant approach | 16:37 |
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| jvgrant | Templates are true templates now. They have the same attributes as what they are a template of. Not separate objects with additional attributes | 16:38 |
| Drago | Currently, the intent of v2 ClusterTemplates is to act as a prototype, so you can create a cluster out of them. I don't think it's necessary to set required attributes on it if you don't want to, because it only needs to be enforced upon cluster create. Keypair is a great example of this | 16:39 |
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| tonanhngo | Drago: then when you use a template to create a cluster, magnum would validate and complain if a required attribute is missing? | 16:40 |
| Drago | tonanhngo: Correct | 16:40 |
| strigazi | +1 | 16:40 |
| tonanhngo | ok, I guess that's different from the current model | 16:40 |
| Drago | tonanhngo: It definitely is | 16:41 |
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| tonanhngo | but it's reasonable as long as we document it so users are not surprised | 16:41 |
| tonanhngo | You can also just override the attribute set in the template at cluster creation time, right? | 16:42 |
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| Drago | And I think that's where part of the confusion is from. Attributes from the CT are copied over and the created Cluster has *no* link to the CT it was created from. I wanted to make that clear too | 16:42 |
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| Drago | tonanhngo: Yes | 16:42 |
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| strigazi | A use case I want to have is: create a cluster with 4 NGs with one commands from a public CT or/and NG | 16:42 |
| Drago | tonanhngo: *Yes, unless we have the lockout feature we discussed at the midcycle | 16:43 |
| strigazi | 2 master NGs and 2 worker NGs | 16:43 |
| strigazi | I'll comment for it in the spec | 16:44 |
| jvgrant | if the CT and NGT are already there then yes you can do that in one command | 16:44 |
| Drago | strigazi: According to the current spec, you can do that. You can add NodeGroupTemplates to a ClusterTemplate, then when you create a cluster from that CT, it creates the NodeGroups as well | 16:44 |
| tonanhngo | This is a distinct use case, we should describe it in the use case section: flexibility in using the template | 16:44 |
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| jvgrant | and you can override specific values on each if you need to(example: give each a different keypair other than the one in the template) | 16:44 |
| strigazi | I mean for public CT and NGT | 16:44 |
| Drago | strigazi: It should not make any difference that it's public | 16:45 |
| strigazi | ok | 16:45 |
| strigazi | good | 16:45 |
| jvgrant | i can add that example to the spec | 16:45 |
| strigazi | I want to bring up one more thing before the summit | 16:45 |
| tonanhngo | +1, that would clarify the intention | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | have we considered a use-case where the user wants the master and worker nodes collapsed onto a single node in a single nogegroup? | 16:45 |
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| strigazi | heat-agent VS magnum-daemon on cluster nodes | 16:46 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: You could use labels when creating the master nodegroup and the driver could select the template that has the combined architecture | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | I like that | 16:47 |
| hongbin | As the topology become complex, i think we could consider to support a declarative file to create a cluster, like k8s | 16:47 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: A Cluster with only "master" nodes is valid | 16:47 |
| Drago | hongbin: Or heat? :) randallburt | 16:47 |
| randallburt | hongbin: at what point then do you just say "use heat if the user is that opinionated"? | 16:48 |
| randallburt | lol Drago :D | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | ok, given our limited time today, are there any major concerns with the nogegroup spec that we should plan to address prior to the summit? | 16:48 |
| Drago | randallburt: I think hongbin means a file that would have a similar form to what you'd specify on the command line | 16:48 |
| randallburt | Drago: ah, ok | 16:48 |
| hongbin | yes | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | or are we happy sharing the current direction with the community, in accordance with our discussion today? | 16:48 |
| jvgrant | it seems like we are in agreement on most of the large points of this change | 16:49 |
| tonanhngo | +1, maybe with some revision based on the discussion today | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | okay, so let's wrap this up for now, and if something surfaces, do our best to work it out on the ML | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | I had an item on the agenda to discuss the auth plugin | 16:50 |
| Drago | I think that if we were to come up with our own magnum agent, it would turn out to be just like the heat agent | 16:50 |
| Drago | strigazi, hongbin | 16:51 |
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| muralia | +1 | 16:51 |
| hongbin | well, the heat agent is polling based, and magnum agents could be push based | 16:51 |
| Drago | That requires your nodes to be on the same network as magnum. I don't think that's good from a security perspective, and part of the reason the heat agent is polling | 16:51 |
| strigazi | I don't know what I prefer yet, I just want to clarify | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin. there are options for the heat agent configuration that would allow for a reversal of that | 16:52 |
| strigazi | Drago, nodes talk to magnum-api already | 16:52 |
| hongbin | i don't like the performance of polling, it just takes a while for a lifecycle operation to get executed | 16:52 |
| Drago | strigazi: Yes, but nodes can be behind NAT, with no way for magnum to contact them first | 16:52 |
| randallburt | yeah, assuming Magnum will have direct network access to the cluster nodes isn't always the case | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | in that case using the zaqar driver could help | 16:52 |
| randallburt | and IIRC, os-*-config are generic enough that I think an operator could write a push-based plugin for them if they wanted | 16:53 |
| Drago | Another nice thing about using the heat agent is that it allows the operator to use whatever signal transport they want because it's a heat configuration, not magnum | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
| strigazi | randallburt, not sure how can this be done | 16:54 |
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| randallburt | right, so in all cases, I think the os-*-config agents work and for reference we can use the zaqar plugin that heat already supports | 16:54 |
| Drago | hongbin: I know you had a concern about the whole stack being updated. We can architect around that. Currently, the softwaredeployment resources can be pulled to the top level. When we move to 1 stack per nodegroup, it won't be a problem anymore regardless | 16:54 |
| randallburt | strigazi: you could plug into os-refresh-config to be listening rather than polling, I think. Its been a while since I've looked tbh | 16:55 |
| hongbin | then, how about extensibililty, for example, allows operators to provide a plugin that takes actions before/after a lifecycle operation | 16:55 |
| strigazi | randallburt ok | 16:55 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: Operators can customize their templates to do so | 16:55 |
| Drago | adrian_otto, hongbin, strigazi, randallburt: Continue this after the meeting so that we can get to adrian_otto's item? | 16:55 |
| randallburt | hongbin: the mechanism is the same | 16:55 |
| hongbin | Drago: ok, then the stack-update seems fine | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | ok Drago | 16:56 |
| randallburt | sure | 16:56 |
| hongbin | randallburt: yes, i would argue a better option is to override a interface instead of customize the template | 16:56 |
| randallburt | hongbin: then you gut Magnum in a way | 16:56 |
| hongbin | randallburt: :) | 16:57 |
| hongbin | that is my point, i am not strong at it | 16:57 |
| randallburt | hongbin: on the other hand, I was going to propose moving all lifecycle and montioring things into the driver interface so that would work too and you could do it either way depending on operator expertise | 16:57 |
| Drago | adrian_otto? | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | we can cover the auth plugin discussion after we adjourn as well. What the team needs to know is that we will continue to refine that work, and seek agrement on the best place for the various components to live. | 16:58 |
| hongbin | true, for example, in trove, there are hooks for operators to do pre-* and post-* operators | 16:58 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: yep, and you can do this with resources and things in a Heat template, but I see your point about not *having* to do so | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | Thanks everyone for attending today. Our next meeting will be at 2016-11-01 at 1600 UTC. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 16:59:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-10-18-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-10-18-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's see if there is anyone but myself here )) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I know that a bunch of folks are busy/travelling, so I would not be surprised if I'm the only one )) | 17:01 |
| vakovalchuk | hi, Kirill, how you're doing? =) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk: hi there ) | 17:02 |
| freerunner | i'm here too ;) | 17:02 |
| freerunner | o/ | 17:02 |
| vakovalchuk | just came to see who will come too :) | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Barcelona Summit | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've updated the descriptions of Murano sessions ) | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and created 2 etherpads for those ) | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16987 | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17094 | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | also been working on my presentations, but there's actually a lot happening around, so they're not yet ready | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Another important announcement — we won't have meetings | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | on next week | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and the week after ) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | obviously because of summit ) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm going to write to ML about that | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | k, guess that's all I wanted to say about the Summit =) | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/commit/7d4a462b6587b513f2a0df49f8d50d70dbbcbdf7#diff-5ab2c30d7dbd00ff9d7fc56a9e03bde6L2738 | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we're no longer a single vendor project and that happened almost a month ago %) | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | crazy =) | 17:13 |
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| freerunner | huh :) congrats kzaitsev_mb :) | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: we all contributed to this ) | 17:14 |
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| freerunner | well, congrats everybody :) | 17:20 |
| vakovalchuk | thanks :) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok I don't really have anything much to add ) going to get back to preparing my summit talks ) | 17:20 |
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| vakovalchuk | ok, I have some stuff to do as well, so I'm leaving you. cya! | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | or back to fixing our CIs | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | going to wait for maybe 5-10 mins more to see if someone joins ) | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok thanks folks for joining today =) wee you in Barcelona next week | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 17:30:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-10-18-17.00.html | 17:31 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 19:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-10-18 | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:03 |
| catherineD | GheRivero: Hello Welcome !! | 19:03 |
| GheRivero | thx catherineD | 19:04 |
| catherineD | not sure how many people will join todays meeting ... let's wait for a couple more minutes | 19:04 |
| catherineD | GheRivero: will you be at the summit? | 19:05 |
| GheRivero | yes. I'll be there. | 19:06 |
| catherineD | That is great ... I hope you can make it to the RefStack session ... or at least I would like to meet you at the summit | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | thx for the very important patch about test list ... | 19:08 |
| GheRivero | sure. i | 19:08 |
| GheRivero | I plan to join some of the sessions | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | I thinl we can start ... a lot of people are getting busy for the summit ... and since we will meet at the summit they may not show up today | 19:08 |
| luzC | o/ | 19:08 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-10-18 | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #topic Taget to merge feature/vendor to master | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | so we actually MAKE our target date to merge the patches in the feature/vendor branch to the master branch ... | 19:10 |
| catherineD | THANK YOU ALL!!!! | 19:10 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:10 |
| GheRivero | \o/ | 19:10 |
| catherineD | The next step is to tag it to publish it to the website .... | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | \o/ | 19:11 |
| catherineD | we discuss last week ... there is concern that it is a bit risky to release such a major change before the summit ... | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | especially with at lot of people in the interop-challenge team will send data to our site ... | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | should we delay publish to the website until after summit? | 19:13 |
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| pvaneck | I dont think there is a rush | 19:13 |
| luzC | I think we should wait | 19:13 |
| luzC | +1 | 19:13 |
| catherineD | this code will enable vendor/product registration ... so the test result will be able to associate to vendor/products | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | OK ... that make sense .. we do not need unnecessary stress :-) | 19:14 |
| catherineD | Let's target it after the summit then ... | 19:15 |
| catherineD | #agreed Delay publishing the vendor/product registration code to https://refstack.openstack.org/#/ until after the summit | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | Should demo it at the summit, but say release after so that site has our full attention when it goes live | 19:16 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: we can do that ... | 19:16 |
| catherineD | that is a good idea | 19:16 |
| GheRivero | Rockyg: like the idea | 19:17 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: GheRivero: ++ | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | moving on | 19:18 |
| catherineD | #topic IRC meetings | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | we will skip next week's meeting for sure ... | 19:19 |
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| Rockyg | we should also keep infra team apprised of when we do it. we should have lots of eyes watching. | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | Paul and I will be on vacation the following week .. anyone want to host the meeting on Nov 1, 2016 or should we just skip that meeting as well? | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | i think skipping it is fine | 19:21 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: yea since this is a major change and involving database update ... we need infra support ... that is the main reason we do not want to update this week while infra team may not be available | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: GheRivero: luzC: skip the Nov 1 meeting? | 19:23 |
| GheRivero | sure | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | ok | 19:24 |
| catherineD | I will send email about skipped meeting | 19:24 |
| catherineD | next topic | 19:24 |
| catherineD | #topic Project Team Gathering (PTG) | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | The date is February 20-24, 2017 in Atlanta | 19:25 |
| catherineD | I have not requested for room ... | 19:25 |
| luzC | yes | 19:25 |
| catherineD | will anyone from the RefStack team go to the PTG? | 19:26 |
| catherineD | for us we need travel approval .. and it is kind of too close to the summit | 19:26 |
| GheRivero | will depend on travel budget | 19:26 |
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| catherineD | GheRivero: exactly ... | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | I'll likely go, but for cross project stuff... | 19:26 |
| catherineD | I do not want to request for a room without the knowlege about travel approval ... since this is something new | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | anyone think that we need to meet at PTG? | 19:28 |
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| luzC | same with me, will depend on travel budget | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | I think if our team menbers will have the budget to go .. we will always find away to meet ... | 19:28 |
| Rockyg | Do we have any big architwcture plans that we can't cover at the summit? | 19:29 |
| catherineD | Andrey and Sergey are not here today ... I will contact them offline about PTG | 19:29 |
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| Rockyg | Otherwise, I think we don't need to be at PTG. We're pretty independent of most of the dev stuff. | 19:29 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: I don';t think so ... vendor/product registration is our biggest change ... | 19:29 |
| catherineD | after that just bug fixes and small feature requests from the bug list | 19:30 |
| catherineD | great ... | 19:30 |
| catherineD | #agreed The RefStack team will not request a room at the PTG | 19:30 |
| catherineD | that way .. we still can meet if our team members will be there for other purposes | 19:31 |
| catherineD | #link Please add your topics if any to the summit etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-ocata-summit | 19:31 |
| catherineD | luzC: thanks for adding your topics | 19:32 |
| catherineD | that bring us to our next topic | 19:32 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:32 |
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| Rockyg | Randy Bias just moved to Juniper | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: wow ...that is a great news for networking team .. | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | I hope to see you all at the RefStack session Date: Wed (Oct 26, 2016) 5:05 - 6:35 PM | 19:36 |
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| luzC | :) me too | 19:37 |
| GheRivero | ++ | 19:37 |
| catherineD | yup ... | 19:37 |
| catherineD | I like face-2-face meeting | 19:38 |
| catherineD | anything else for today ? | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | If not, see you at the summit ... | 19:38 |
| catherineD | Thank you all! | 19:39 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 19:39:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-10-18-19.00.html | 19:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-10-18-19.00.txt | 19:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-10-18-19.00.log.html | 19:39 |
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| Rockyg | yup.\ | 19:41 |
| GheRivero | see you all! | 19:41 |
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