Tuesday, 2016-11-01

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qwebirc77268I have a question on murano..is this the right forum to ask a question regarding it?01:49
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moshele#startmeeting sriov13:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov  1 13:04:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sriov'13:04
moshelehi13:04
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edandhi13:05
wznoinskhi13:05
lennybhi13:05
moshelelet wait for some more  pepole13:05
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moshele#topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI13:07
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mosheleso lennyb is woking on the SR-IOV multi-node CI13:07
moshelewe need to merged this tempest patches     migration test - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339230/ and     migration revert test - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348498/13:08
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moshelewznoinsk: any update regarding NFV CI ?13:08
lennybyep, they pass manual check, I will comment on gerrit dhortly13:08
lbeliveauhi, sorry I'm late13:08
wznoinskyes, I have PCI passthru CI in our lab sandboxing13:08
wznoinsk(non-voting): samples - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387485/4, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387836/2513:09
mosheleok cool13:09
wznoinsk"tempest-dsbaremetal-pcipassthrough-xenial" job under http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova13:10
moshelewhen do you think it will be ready?13:10
lbeliveauthis is with multi nodes ?13:10
mosheleno it just same group managing all of intel CI, right?13:10
wznoinskthis is single node, for now I've 1:1 moved from other team in Intel to our lab13:10
wznoinskmultinode of PCI passthru CI (if at all) we may do it later, not sure about good testing scanario for this13:11
wznoinskwould you have any sugestions?13:12
lbeliveaumigration is one13:12
moshelehow about mult-node nfv for NUMA migration/live migration ?13:12
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mosheleyes once lbeliveau patches in tempest will be merged you can ran migration and migration revert13:13
wznoinskmoshele, that's done, job: tempest-dsvm-multinode-ovsdpdk-nfv-networking-xenial (no pci passthru here if that's what you're after)13:13
wznoinskmoshele, do you have a link again?13:13
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moshelewznoinsk: what link?13:14
moshelefor patches?13:14
wznoinsksorry, I think I have it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348498/13:14
lbeliveauhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/33923013:14
mosheleyes13:14
lbeliveauhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/34849813:14
wznoinskthanks13:15
lbeliveauthere was no cores on qa irc yesterday, need to ping them13:15
moshelewznoinsk can you check if migration test passes for NUMA? and update us13:15
wznoinskmoshele the job "tempest-dsvm-multinode-ovsdpdk-nfv-networking-xenial" has numa_nodes spec in the flavor and it's doing multinode live mgiration13:16
moshelelive migration is not the same as cold migration. It is different code path13:17
wznoinskhttp://intel-openstack-ci-logs.ovh/36/387836/25/check/tempest-dsvm-multinode-ovsdpdk-nfv-networking-xenial/3bd89ed/testr_results.html.gz -> tempest.api.compute.admin.test_live_migration (in green)13:17
moshelewe are looking for scenarios testing not api13:18
wznoinskmoshele, yes, cold migration will be used for PCI passhtru multinode as live migration for the same not possible AFAICU13:18
moshelenot sure how well it is tested with api13:18
wznoinskmoshele, sure, would you know if someone's working on such scenario test for PCI?13:18
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wznoinskI take it as it's a task for me then ;-)13:19
mosheleso live migration can work with macvtap port (which is the same flow for pci device)13:19
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moshelebut we know it is broken see     live-mig: Add claims and proper resource tracking - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244489/13:20
wznoinskwouldn't macvtap be for PCI devices of type 200 only (network)  tho?13:20
mosheleI didn't get the question13:21
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wznoinskI thought macvtap is for networkg devices so more of a SRIOV thing, not general PCI device passthru one13:21
mosheleyes, but for the code point of you the share lots of common paths13:22
mosheleok let move the the next topic13:22
wznoinskok, I'll educate myself on that then, let's move on13:22
moshele#topic Documentation13:23
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moshelelbeliveau: are you planning to work on the Docmement PF Passthrough for nova and neutron ?13:23
lbeliveauyes I could13:24
mosheleok cool13:24
moshelelet move on13:24
lbeliveauwe'll also have to revise the documentation regarding the neutron sriov conf that are being deprecated13:24
moshele#topic Patches for Subteam Review13:24
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moshelesee list of patches in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda Line 2913:25
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mosheleI ask jaypipes to review     pci: remove pci device from claims and allocations when freeing it-  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369180/  and he added it to his queue13:25
moshelewe will need to backport this one13:25
mosheleany other important patches?13:26
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lbeliveauthis one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363884/13:26
lbeliveaulots of +113:27
mosheleok let me update the agneda13:27
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mosheleSR-IOV neutron config depreciation/removal13:28
mosheleSR-IOV: Remove deprecated supported_pci_vendor_devs option https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391911/13:28
mosheleDeprecate SR-IOV 'physical_device_mappings' config option -  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360447/13:28
moshelefor the last want we need to send deprecation mail, will do that this week13:28
mosheleright edand?13:29
edandyep13:29
mosheleok so let move one13:29
moshele#topic spec for review13:29
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mosheleso we currently we have 3 spec13:30
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moshelesee https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda line 4913:30
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mosheleand we have Add spec to enhance PCI passthrough whitelist to support regex is approved and merged13:31
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mosheleI request jaypipes to review them. we need to merge them until the spec freeze in 17th this month13:32
mosheleanything else you want to talk about?13:32
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moshele#endmeeting13:33
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Nov  1 13:33:33 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:33
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-11-01-13.04.txt13:33
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moshelethanks everyone13:33
lbeliveaubye13:33
wznoinskthanks13:33
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:00
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EmilienM* one off agenda items14:00
EmilienM* bugs14:00
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:00
EmilienM* CI14:00
EmilienM* Specs14:00
EmilienM* open discussion14:00
EmilienMhello folks!14:00
jtomasek\m/14:00
mwhahahahola14:00
shadowerheyia14:00
akrivokahello! o/14:00
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panda|pto|PHo/ (kinda)14:01
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EmilienMI hope you had safe travel back to home!14:01
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EmilienM#topic off agenda items14:02
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:02
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EmilienMsshnaidm: hi!14:02
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sshnaidmEmilienM, hi!14:02
dprincehi14:02
sshnaidmEmilienM, I have 2 questions in off items14:03
EmilienMgo ahead14:03
sshnaidmI started POC patch when running quickstart in TripleO CI ovb environment and it seemed working14:03
sshnaidmI'd like to do experimental job with quickstart running there to prov its correctness and stability14:04
sshnaidm(and detect possible problems)14:04
sshnaidmI'd like to ask if there is no objections to have such job in experimental pipeline14:04
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* adarazs looks forward to it.14:05
EmilienMinteresting, I'm wondering what path are we taking 1) using tripleo-ci to run quickstart or 2) implement new quickstart jobs in third party CI that deploy ovb14:05
hrybackio/14:05
EmilienM2) wouldn't use tripleo-ci14:05
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adarazsI'd prefer 1)14:06
EmilienM1) sounds complex to me14:07
EmilienMas we're going to increase tripleo-ci logic complexity14:07
EmilienMsee https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381094/14:07
adarazsif we want to have tripleo-ci be driven by quickstart in some way soon (which I hope we agreed that we do) then it would be a good first step.14:07
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sshnaidmEmilienM, 1) would help also to have CI externally consumable, btw14:08
slaglesshnaidm: can you link to the patch you are referring to?14:08
sshnaidmEmilienM, anyway, it's experimental job, everybody will look at it and if we hate it - it's always possible to kill it14:09
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EmilienMslagle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381094/14:09
d0ugalo/14:09
slagleoh right :)14:09
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panda|pto|PH2) looks closer to what we're going to do in the end, I wouldn't add an intermediate step.14:09
EmilienM1) would be a transition to have 2) at the end, iiuc14:09
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EmilienMbut anyway, it's an implemenation specific question, that we can talk outside this meeting.14:10
EmilienMsshnaidm: +1 for experimental job14:10
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sshnaidmok, thanks!14:10
EmilienMsshnaidm: and wait 1 or 2 week(s) to make sure it's "stable"14:10
sshnaidmsure14:11
sshnaidmok, then the second question is about moving tripleo-ci from "openstack-infra" to "openstack"14:11
EmilienMsshnaidm: in the meantime, could we make progress on using oooq to deploy multinode jobs too?14:11
sshnaidmEmilienM, yeah, I planned it after ovb is running14:12
EmilienMexcellent14:12
weshaybkero, ^14:12
bkeroo/14:12
EmilienMslagle: did you have thoughts about moving ooo-ci to openstack? I remember you were involved in this14:12
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EmilienMsshnaidm: +1 on my side14:13
EmilienMsshnaidm: anything else?14:14
sshnaidmok, then maybe let's discuss it later in #tripleo14:14
sshnaidmEmilienM, not, that's it, thanks14:14
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EmilienMdtantsur: your turn Sir14:14
dtantsuryep, quick question: are there plans now to deprecate instack-virt-setup?14:15
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dtantsurit's not longer used in CI, and there seem to be a lot of efforts around quickstart14:15
dtantsurfinally, we're moving away from pxe_ssh drivers, so instack-virt-setup requires reworking14:15
shardydtantsur: tripleo-quickstart was always supposed to deprecate it, we've just not quite got to that yet in docs/CI14:15
slagleEmilienM: i think it has more to do with moving to 3rd party14:16
shardydtantsur: have you looked at what rework will be required for quickstart?14:16
slagleEmilienM: once that is complete, it can probably move14:16
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EmilienMslagle: right, ++14:16
dtantsurshardy, not yet; but at least quickstart is covered by some CI, unlike tripleo-incubator14:16
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shardydtantsur: ack, yeah and we ideally don't want to do this work twice14:17
slagleEmilienM: but our multinode jobs won't be 3rd party, so maybe we'd split the repo, i dont entirely know if there is precedence for that14:17
shardydtantsur: what's the timeline for ironic moving away from pxe_ssh?14:17
EmilienMslagle: mhh interesting, indeed; maybe wait a little more until we figure implementations14:17
dtantsurshardy, no strict timeline, but it's already deprecated. we have full rights to remove it in Ocata after O-114:18
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EmilienMslagle: fwiw, puppet openstack CI runs some scripts in openstack namespace...14:18
dtantsurshardy, also we stop covering it with out CI pretty soon14:18
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shardydtantsur: Ok, so it'd be very good if we could switch docs/CI to oooq before it's removed then ;)14:18
dtantsurtrue :)14:19
shardyo-1 seems like an ambitious target for that14:19
EmilienMo-2 maybe?14:19
EmilienMo-1 is in 2 weeks14:20
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shardyyeah, I think it'd be better if we could aim for o-2 and ask if Ironic would be willing to delay removing it until then14:20
shardyso our docs etc don't break14:20
EmilienM++14:20
jristlate o/14:20
shardydtantsur: would that be a reasonable compromise from the Ironic perspective, or are there pressures to remove it really soon?14:21
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dtantsurshardy, we can delay the removal, there is no too much pressue14:22
dtantsurshardy, but the driver is deprecated, will have no CI soon and will only receive critical bug fixes14:22
shardydtantsur: Ok sounds good14:22
shardycan anyone take an action to follow up on the oooq side to determine the changes needed?14:23
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dtantsurI can provide any help, but I can't do it right this second14:23
dtantsurI know that packaging virtualbmc in RDO is step 014:23
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shardydtantsur: perhaps you could raise a bug against tripleo-quickstart with details of the work you're aware of, then we can figure out who has bandwidth to do it?14:24
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dtantsurshardy, I think I have a tripleo blueprint..14:24
dtantsurI can raise a bug as well for sure14:24
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dtantsur#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/switch-to-virtualbmc14:25
EmilienMdtantsur: your bp is enough imho14:25
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EmilienMdtantsur: maybe you can sync with weshay to see who from oooq experts could help there14:25
shardyack, yeah I didn't realize there was already a BP, thanks14:25
panda|pto|PHweshay: should we add this to the transition etherpad ?14:25
* weshay looks14:25
weshayaye14:25
EmilienMdtantsur: thanks for bringing this topic!14:26
weshayoh this is cool14:26
weshaydtantsur++14:26
dtantsurno problem :)14:26
EmilienMdo we have anything else before we start regular agenda?14:26
weshaypanda|pto|PH, I think we can go after that outside of the transition14:27
EmilienM#topic bugs14:27
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panda|pto|PHweshay: ok14:27
EmilienMwe are still fixing some bugs that we want backported in stable/newton, I consider them highest prio at this time14:28
EmilienMhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?field.tag=newton-backport-potential14:28
marioshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1638003 still an issue for upgrades and updates atm (overcloudrc change)... added a comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391201/14:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1638003 in tripleo "Stack update causes overcloudrc OS_PASSWORD update and fails overcloud keystone authentication" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Brady (rbrady)14:28
EmilienMI suspect there are more, because I noticed not all team members were doing self triage :(14:28
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EmilienMmarios: isn't it addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391201/ ?14:29
mariosEmilienM: not in my testing (sasha too)14:29
mariosEmilienM: so bringing up for visibility.. i needinfod rbrady on the BZ too14:30
EmilienMoh, it's in bug description14:30
mariosEmilienM: (the BZ is linked from the launchpad bug)14:30
mariosEmilienM: it is in that list you gave anyway i mean the backport bugs14:30
EmilienMhis patch seems like failing on CI consistently14:30
mariosEmilienM: another one for uprades is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1634897 - still some discussino with pradk on the fix but concerned given the timeframe14:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1634897 in tripleo " Upgrade Mitaka to Newton failed with gnocchi using swift backend: ClientException: Authorization Failure. Authorization Failed: Service Unavailable (HTTP 503)" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Pradeep Kilambi (pkilambi)14:31
mariosEmilienM: (also in the list as newton backport)14:31
EmilienMdon't forget to add milestones14:31
EmilienMok so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388649/ will be backported when merged14:32
EmilienMmarios: thanks!14:32
EmilienMdo we have any other outstanding bug?14:33
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EmilienM#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:34
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EmilienMso 2 infos:14:34
EmilienMocata-1 will be released in 2 weeks!14:34
EmilienMalso, this week I plan to release a new version of newton, that will contain all our recent backports14:34
EmilienMI might wait for critical bugs (eg: upgrades, etc) to be fixed first14:35
EmilienMany thoughts on release management?14:35
shardyshould we perhaps aim to release stable branches around the same time as the ocata milestones?14:36
EmilienMshardy: fyi, I'll be on PTO during ocata-1 release. I'll be online from time to time but not sure I can't send release patch request14:36
shardyIIRC it was mentioned last week and would be a good way to ensure regular releases are made from the stable branches14:36
EmilienMshardy: sounds good to me14:36
shardyEmilienM: I will be around & can help with the ocata release14:37
EmilienMthx14:37
EmilienMok so14:37
shardyEmilienM: let me know before you go on PTO so we can sync up on the latest status etc14:37
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EmilienM#action EmilienM / shardy to release newton-2 and ocata-1 during Nov 14th week14:37
EmilienMshardy: sure thing.14:37
EmilienMmarios: please let us know about upgrade things, and make sure they are all backported14:38
EmilienM#topic CI14:38
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mariosEmilienM: ack we are fighting every day :) looking forward to the rest of november14:39
EmilienMthis morning, I found out that ovb/ha job is really unstable14:39
EmilienMI haven't filed a bug yet, because i'm still waiting for a CI job now14:39
EmilienMhttp://logs.openstack.org/64/391064/1/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-ovb-ha/2d15c11/console.html#_2016-10-31_10_19_54_30488514:39
EmilienMthat's the error, and it started on October 27th, during a promotion job14:40
EmilienMI suspect a regression in OpenStack14:40
EmilienMbut this one has been hard to debug, I haven't seen useful logs in nova/cinder yet14:40
EmilienMif you still see this error today and later, please let me know14:40
EmilienMhttp://tripleo.org/cistatus.html - ovb/ha is red in most of recent runs :(14:41
sshnaidmI see today a lot of errors like "ClientException: resources.volume1: Gateway Time-out (HTTP 504)" in pingtest stack creating14:41
EmilienMit could be related14:41
sshnaidmI'll look14:41
EmilienMthe error I saw was boot from volume not working14:41
EmilienMsshnaidm: let's sync after meeting14:42
EmilienMI have another info14:42
sshnaidmok14:42
EmilienMslagle: pabelanger just told me we could submit a patch in nodepool to have a new multinode job with 3 nodes14:42
jaosoriorsshnaidm, EmilienM I have the feeling that it's a selinux issue, the lack of relevant logs is really confusing14:42
EmilienMjaosorior: I haven't looked audit logs14:42
EmilienMso maybe14:43
EmilienMslagle: do you want to take action and submit it this week?14:43
slagleEmilienM: that's something we've discussed, i know we can do it14:44
EmilienMcool :)14:44
slagleEmilienM: i dont honestly anticipate having time to work on it this week14:44
EmilienMslagle: ok, no problem14:44
EmilienMI'll see if I can submit it14:44
EmilienM#action EmilienM or slagle to submit patch to nodepool to add 3-nodes jobs14:45
EmilienManything else about CI this week?14:45
slaglei'd like to get this landed: https://review.openstack.org/38128614:45
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slagleso we can test undercloud upgrades14:45
slagleand move forward with the composable undercloud work14:46
slaglereviews appreciated :)14:46
EmilienMslagle: the job is gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-undercloud-upgrades-nv, right?14:46
slagleyes14:46
EmilienMcool!14:47
slaglenow that the ovb mitaka/liberty jobs are fixed, ovb should pass on that too14:47
EmilienM#action team to review undercloud/upgrade patch https://review.openstack.org/38128614:47
mariosslagle: nice will have a look tomorrow14:47
slaglethanks :)14:47
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EmilienMok last topic14:48
EmilienM#topic specs14:48
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EmilienM#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:48
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mariosi put out a first pass from composable service upgrades discussion, thanks shardy for having a look already https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392116/14:49
EmilienMif you have time, please review our specs that we discussed at Summit14:49
EmilienMthe tripleo/squads policy is ready for review and comments were all addressed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385201/14:49
EmilienMmarios: I was reviewing yours before the meeting. I'll finish today14:49
mariosEmilienM: ack thanks appreciate14:49
EmilienMdoes it sound reasonable to merge Ocata specs before Ocata-1?14:50
EmilienMit gives us 2 weeks14:50
EmilienMI would hate merging specs after doing the actual feature ;-)14:51
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shardyEmilienM: we can try, but historically TripleO spec reviews have been pretty slow14:51
mariosEmilienM: well that would be the *right* way to do it but ultimately we may not make it14:51
shardyperhaps this is an opportunity to fix that14:51
EmilienMright, and we might want to improve ourselves on this thing14:52
mariosEmilienM: so +1 nice thing to aim for14:52
EmilienMmarios: well, maybe we should be a bit more serious in our specs14:52
dtantsurspec reviews are always slow, not only in tripleo :)14:52
dtantsurbut it's not a reason not to improve, I agree14:52
EmilienM#action team to review Ocata specs for ocata-1 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:52
EmilienMI'll send a note on ML about it14:52
EmilienMany question / remark about specs?14:52
EmilienM#topic open discussion14:53
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EmilienMany question or feedback is welcome now14:53
panda|pto|PHI wanted to add that ovb/ha job has at least one big problem: since redis is unable to start, gnocchi-metricd is eating a lot of CPU, so things may be unstable also for that reason.14:54
EmilienMjust FYI I'll be on vacations from Friday night, and then during 2 weeks. I'll have emails & IRC sometimes.14:54
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EmilienMpanda|pto|PH: we saw that before14:54
EmilienMpanda|pto|PH: there is a launchpad about it iirc14:54
EmilienMpanda|pto|PH: talk to pradk and carlos14:54
EmilienMpanda|pto|PH: why redis is unable to start?14:55
panda|pto|PHEmilienM:yes, but it's a different problem, we ened a selinux command to let redis open its unix socket14:55
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panda|pto|PHEmilienM: I'm curre;lty discussing this with rhallisay in #rdo14:55
EmilienMcool14:56
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EmilienMpanda|pto|PH: please file a launchpad bug if needed, so we can track the work being done here14:56
panda|pto|PHEmilienM: already there14:56
EmilienMdo we have anything else for this week?14:56
panda|pto|PHEmilienM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/163796114:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1637961 in tripleo "periodic HA master job pingtest times out" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Gabriele Cerami (gcerami)14:57
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EmilienMpanda|pto|PH: thx14:57
EmilienMwell, sounds like we're done14:57
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EmilienMhave a great week everyone14:58
EmilienM#endmeeting14:58
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openstackMeeting started Tue Nov  1 16:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-11-01_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:00
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adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
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jvgrantJaycen Grant16:01
adrian_ottohello strigazi muralia randallburt vijendar2 Drago5 and jvgrant16:01
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adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:02
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adrian_otto1) Daylight savings time ends in the US on Sunday Nov 6th at 2:00 AM. This will cause our meeting to take place an hour earlier in most local timezones because we track UTC. Check your calendar reminders to make sure they reflect the correct timezone.16:02
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strigaziCould we have calendar for this?16:03
adrian_ottoevery time we have a shift in DST we always have contributors who suffer from scrambled calendars.16:03
strigaziTo update automatically?16:03
strigaziThe docs team I think has one, I can sk16:03
adrian_ottostrigazi: I have done that in the past, but that has it's own pitfalls16:04
strigazis/sk/ask16:04
adrian_ottoits own16:04
strigaziCan't be set in UTC?16:04
strigazimy docs calendar is correct after the change16:04
adrian_ottoyes, the solution is to look at what you have in your calendar, and adjust the timezone to UTC16:04
adrian_ottoand if it does not have that setting you can use GMT16:04
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adrian_ottoand it's probably worth taking a quick look to see if that causes a scheduling conflict with your other commitments so you have time to address those.16:05
strigaziok16:05
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adrian_ottook, any other announcements from team members?16:05
adrian_ottoThanks to all of you who attended the summit, and for those of you who did not, we missed you.16:06
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adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:06
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adrian_otto1) adrian_otto to email Magnum/Kuryr teams with details about joint meetup plans prior to summit. Status: COMPLETE16:06
adrian_otto2) strigazi to create a magnum-specs repo16:06
strigaziIt's happening https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391770/16:06
adrian_ottoStatus: COMPLETE16:07
adrian_ottothanks strigazi16:07
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adrian_otto#topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:07
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strigazinot merged yet, I'll notify you all as soon as it is16:07
adrian_ottoShould we have a team meeting on Nov 22, or skip that date due to US holidays (Thanksgiving, Nov 24)?16:07
strigaziI can't make it16:07
adrian_ottothe reason for my question is that it's very common for those in the US to take that week off of work to travel for the holiday16:07
adrian_ottoso if several of us would be absent, it might make sense to skip it16:08
strigaziBut if it's only me, I'm ok16:08
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jvgrantprobably a good idea. attendance will be lite16:08
DragoDo we have quorum rules?16:08
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adrian_ottono, we don't have a quorum rule. Whether we hold a meeting is the prerogative of the PTL.16:09
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adrian_ottook, so I have two interested in a skip.16:09
adrian_ottoanyone feel strongly that we should hold it that week?16:09
vijendar_skip +116:09
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adrian_otto#agreed we will not meet on 2016-11-2216:10
randallburtrequest general review of the idea proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389835. Should have an update with proposed class changes today.16:10
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adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to mark our agenda such that the 2016-11-22 meeting will be planned as cancelled.16:10
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adrian_ottothanks randallburt for proposing that16:11
randallburtnp16:11
adrian_ottoI'll definitely review that today16:11
randallburtthanks!16:11
strigaziWhy this requires a new spec and not an update in the previous one? It seems to me like an involving work on the same subject16:11
adrian_ottostrigazi: best practice is not to modify a spec after implementation unless it would confuse our community16:12
strigaziThe bay-drivers spec only implies heat as default, doesn't explicitely say use only heat16:12
randallburtstrigazi:  I was unaware of the previous one. IIRC, though the other one extends lifecycle methods while this encapsulates existing ones16:12
strigaziok16:12
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randallburtstrigazi:  but the implementation is highly coupled to Heat and Heat "bleeds" through to a *lot* of other places16:12
adrian_ottorandallburt: let's add a blueprint and link it in the commit message.16:13
strigaziI'm not against it just clarifying16:13
randallburtstrigazi:  k16:13
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randallburtadrian_otto:16:13
randallburtwill do16:13
randallburthopefully I can spec this such that untangling won't be terribly difficult16:14
adrian_ottookay, this week and next week, I'd like contributors who plan to complete new features to raise their blueprints for team review16:14
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adrian_ottoso I can be sure that we have targeted them against the next release16:14
strigazihttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades16:15
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strigazi#link https://review.openstack.org/39219316:16
strigazispec ^^16:16
strigaziit's WIP16:16
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adrian_ottook, I linked the spec to the BP for you16:16
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vijenda__I have submitted a spec/patch for review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-admin-api  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391537/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391301/16:17
adrian_ottostrigazi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades is now targeted to ocata-3.16:18
strigaziThanks16:18
DragoIs this meeting going to go over news from the summit for those unable to attend?16:18
strigaziSorry, just remembered16:18
adrian_ottoDrago: yes, we can cover that16:19
strigaziI ping the suse guys, and they want to add a third party CI for their suse k8s driver16:19
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adrian_ottovijenda__: is completion of the Admin API a short/medium/long term objective?16:21
adrian_ottoNovember, December, or January?16:21
vijendar1adrian_otto:  it depends on what are all the features we wanted to implement in admin api16:22
adrian_ottostrigazi: that would be great16:22
adrian_ottovijendar1: let's give it our best guess for now, and we can adjust if needed16:22
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vijendar1adrian_otto:  December16:22
adrian_ottook16:22
adrian_ottovijendar1: that's now targeted for ocata-2.16:23
vijendar1adrian_otto: ok. thanks16:23
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adrian_ottook, before we proceed to summit review, are there any more BP's to review?16:23
strigaziIs the osc bp accepted for ocata?16:24
jvgrantDrago: will the nodegroup additions we discussed yesterday be new blueprints or just part of the same one?16:24
adrian_ottostrigazi: have a link to that tone handy?16:24
Dragojvgrant: I think separate, with separate specs16:24
strigaziadrian_otto, looking16:25
Dragojvgrant: But that falls under the adding of blueprints in the next couple weeks that adrian_otto mentioned16:25
strigaziDrago jvgrant I added some notes on the versioning16:25
jvgrantDrago: ok16:25
strigaziI can add  a spec too16:25
Dragostrigazi, jvgrant: Can we talk about strigazi's spec after?16:26
jvgrantsure16:26
strigaziadrian_otto: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/openstackclient-support16:26
strigaziDrago jvgrant OK16:26
strigaziWe can ask the team now for the general direction and add details later today16:27
adrian_ottothat blueprint is a perfect example of what not to do16:27
* adrian_otto fixing it. 16:27
adrian_ottoone morment16:27
strigaziadrian_otto the OSC?16:27
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adrian_ottoyeah, that's a mess16:27
adrian_ottook, done.16:28
strigaziDrago jvgrant, CT versions are a dependncy for upgrades and upgrades is my #1 priority16:29
adrian_otto#topic OpenStack Summit Restrospective16:29
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Dragostrigazi: Good to know16:29
strigaziI can start on this one and work in parallel with nodegroups16:29
adrian_ottoso, last week was the OpenStack summit. All of the general sessions were recorded and are available here for review:16:30
adrian_otto#link https://www.openstack.org/videos/summits/show/7 Summit Videos16:30
adrian_ottoI explained Magnum on stage with Jonathan Bryce in the day-2 keynote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmub7D6JS24 along with the PTLs from Kolla and Kuryr16:32
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adrian_ottoDrago and I gave a Magnum+OpenStack Ansible workshop16:32
adrian_ottowith ~100 attendees16:33
adrian_ottothat was not recorded, and neither were the Design Summit Sessions, of which we had several.16:33
DragoThe OpenSUSE guys gave a Magnum+k8s talk and it was packed.16:33
adrian_ottothe key topics were the NextGen (NodeGroup) and related changes to Magnum16:33
adrian_ottotango and winnie from IBM gave a talk with strigazi and Ricardo from CERN on magnum scalability16:34
adrian_ottolet's share a link to each of these16:34
adrian_otto#link https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/toward-10000-containers-on-openstack Toward 10,000 Containers on OpenStack16:35
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Drago#link https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/openstack-and-magnum-kubernetes-as-a-service-for-everyone OpenSUSE's Magnum+k8s talk16:36
adrian_ottoyep!16:36
adrian_ottoanother key topic in the design summit was the topic of lifecycle operations and upgrades, where we got some valuable community input16:37
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adrian_ottowe had a joint session with the Kuryr team, and another with the Keystone team16:37
adrian_ottoon the networking side, there was strong affirmation of the use case of connecting VMs and Containers together on common private neutron networks.16:38
Drago+116:39
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adrian_ottowe did reach a consensus in our work room sessions about our intended policy for glance image builds16:41
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adrian_ottowe decided to do our best to build new images for each new COE release as they are announced so the "current" release of each is consistently supported in Mangum16:41
adrian_ottowe will offer documentation for cloud operators to build their own images if they prefer to use upstream linux distro packaging instead of code directly from the COE community teams.16:42
adrian_ottostrigazi volunteered to kick off the required build on these occasions.16:42
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randallburtnice. image building is a pain.16:42
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adrian_ottowe can make that process pretty smooth, we think16:43
adrian_ottoand we think it can be automated to a large extent16:43
randallburtyep16:43
strigaziif it's not automated it's not done :)16:43
randallburtso true16:44
adrian_ottoso we'll work with strigazi to prove that hunch16:44
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randallburtproblem is getting the upstream distros to keep up16:44
adrian_ottoany other key takeaways from the summit that team members would like to share?16:44
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strigaziWe'll try to offer ubuntu cluster drivers too16:44
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strigazirg For users with contracts with canonical16:45
strigazieg For users with contracts with canonical16:45
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Drago#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Ocata/Etherpads#Magnum Magnum etherpads from the summit16:45
adrian_ottoI also did some thinking about the inclusion criteria for new drivers.16:45
adrian_ottoas long as the driver is known to work with at least one production use case, has at least one maintainer committed to keeping it updated, and has a third party CI to verify it works, then we can allow it in trunk.16:46
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adrian_ottootherwise, they can live in contrib with a support caveat statement.16:46
strigazisounds reasonable16:47
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adrian_ottook, let's proceed to open discussion... unless there are questions or concerns about the above?16:48
strigaziA question,16:48
strigaziwe won't remove the current CIs for swarm, k8s, mesos, and ironic, right?16:49
adrian_ottoI did not mention that the day 1 keynote had a magnum demo in it16:49
adrian_otto#link https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/openstack-for-the-work-that-matters-1 Keynote with Magnum demo16:50
adrian_ottostrigazi: we should be open to moving driver testing to third party CI if they require features that openstack CI does not support (ie: multi-node)16:50
adrian_ottobut we must not take a step backward in either unit testing or functional testing.16:51
strigazimakes sense16:51
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adrian_ottook16:51
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:51
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yatinI wish to work on following bp's and i need direction on them so i can proceed:16:51
yatinhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-etcd-cluster-coe16:51
yatinhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-support-different-strategy-in-swarmbay16:52
yatinhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-etcd-cluster-coe(Not sure why same bp name is registered)(Increase UT Coverage for magnumclient and add coverage job to CI)16:52
adrian_ottook, taking a look16:52
Dragoyatin: Do you mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnumclient-ut-coverage ?16:53
yatinYes16:53
strigazisecure-etcd-cluster-coe it very much needed16:53
adrian_ottoyatin, do you have enough time to submit patches for each of these?16:53
yatinYes16:53
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adrian_ottook, I targeted the first one for ocata-1 and marked it as Essential.16:54
yatini can start from this week16:54
strigaziadd-support-different-strategy-in-swarmbay I think we need some more details16:54
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adrian_ottowait, we have two different blueprints with the same URL? How is that possible?16:54
Dragoadrian_otto: I don't think we do...16:55
yatinYes, i am also not sure why it happend:16:55
strigaziDrago +116:55
yatinthe url mentioned by Drago is the correct one.16:55
yatinhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnumclient-ut-coverage16:55
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adrian_ottoyatin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/add-support-different-strategy-in-swarmbay is now approved and targeted for ocata-2.16:56
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yatinadrian, can you assign me this as i tried to contact xianchaobo twice but hasn't received the reply.16:57
adrian_ottoyes16:58
adrian_ottoyatin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnumclient-ut-coverage is now approved and targeted for ocata-2.16:58
yatinadrian: Thanks16:59
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adrian_ottoyatin, what's your exact launchpad id?16:59
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yatinyatinkarel16:59
adrian_ottook16:59
adrian_ottodone17:00
adrian_ottoyou are now the assignee on add-support-different-strategy-in-swarmbay. Please coordinate with  xianchaobo to make sure you don't duplicate work.17:00
adrian_ottotime up17:01
adrian_ottonext meeting: 2016-11-08 at UTC 160017:01
adrian_otto#endmeeting17:01
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adrian_ottosorry Murano team, for running over time.17:01
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yatinadrian: OK17:02
yatinThanks17:02
adrian_ottoyatin: np17:02
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