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| number80 | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 13:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is number80. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
| number80 | #topic roll call | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| number80 | who's here? | 13:00 |
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| aplanas | number80: hi | 13:00 |
| number80 | hi :) | 13:00 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:00 |
| number80 | #chair aplanas jpena | 13:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: aplanas jpena number80 | 13:01 |
| number80 | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
| number80 | feel free to complete it | 13:01 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:01 |
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| number80 | #chair jruzicka | 13:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: aplanas jpena jruzicka number80 | 13:03 |
| number80 | let's start I guess, toabctl will be late | 13:03 |
| number80 | #topic script to detect old packages in stable and master, based on global reqs, Tom dashboard and Pypi sources | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "script to detect old packages in stable and master, based on global reqs, Tom dashboard and Pypi sources (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| number80 | aplanas: | 13:04 |
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| aplanas | right, I was planing to adapt and add some scripts that I have to automatically detect versions outdate of packages | 13:05 |
| number80 | excellent | 13:05 |
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| aplanas | we need to take care of packages that are listed in the release list (json from tom) and the ones that are not listed there | 13:05 |
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| aplanas | after that, I would like to test some ideas to find the required and buildrequred packages, that can be outdated too | 13:06 |
| number80 | aplanas: will you take into account upper-constraints files? | 13:06 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:06 |
| aplanas | number80: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt this? | 13:07 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:07 |
| aplanas | sounds good | 13:07 |
| number80 | yes | 13:08 |
| number80 | #chair dirk | 13:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: aplanas dirk jpena jruzicka number80 | 13:08 |
| number80 | hi :) | 13:08 |
| aplanas | number80: was not in my radar, but now it is | 13:08 |
| dirk | hi, sorry for being late, on pto and somehow forgot about time | 13:08 |
| number80 | dirk: no worries, DST is confusing all of us :) | 13:08 |
| dirk | I live in utc ;-) | 13:09 |
| number80 | :) | 13:09 |
| number80 | #info aplanas is working on automatic detection of outdated package | 13:10 |
| number80 | anything else? | 13:10 |
| dirk | I guess related to that, did you discuss.. | 13:11 |
| dirk | #link http://www.toabctl.de/openstack/ | 13:11 |
| number80 | yep | 13:11 |
| aplanas | dirk: right, this is one of the sources that I have | 13:11 |
| number80 | right, it uses generated json | 13:11 |
| toabctl | and also shows u-c since some weeks. but its not using u-c for the status comment | 13:12 |
| toabctl | aplanas, for non-openstack packages, opensuse has already http://osc-collab.opensuse.org/ | 13:13 |
| dirk | ok, nevermind then... awaiting the review against rpm-packaging-tools :) | 13:13 |
| toabctl | I'm pretty sure fedora has something similar to show the package status | 13:13 |
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| number80 | toabctl: we have multiple tools, but none is in good shape | 13:14 |
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| number80 | I need 48h days :) | 13:15 |
| aplanas | toabctl: it is working now? package status is blank | 13:15 |
| toabctl | aplanas, it was working some month ago. | 13:15 |
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| number80 | I run it locally and it works fine (last time was last week though) | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:17 |
| number80 | #chair IgorYozhikov | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry i'm late | 13:17 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov aplanas dirk jpena jruzicka number80 | 13:17 |
| number80 | hi | 13:17 |
| number80 | may I suggest that toabctl and aplanas, you check together what's the most appropriate plan to move forward? | 13:17 |
| aplanas | number80: good for me | 13:18 |
| number80 | excellent | 13:18 |
| * number80 wants to leave time for reviews | 13:18 | |
| number80 | #topic RDO CI status | 13:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RDO CI status (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:18 | |
| number80 | jpena: ? | 13:18 |
| jpena | so, after the fixes from last week, we're almost there | 13:19 |
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| jpena | we have two pending reviews: https://review.openstack.org/391856 and https://review.openstack.org/392472, and once we fix the taskflow requirements, we can go ahead | 13:19 |
| number80 | yep, remains gdal and networkx but that'll take some time for me to fix | 13:19 |
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| jpena | I've set up a WIP job: https://review.rdoproject.org/jenkins/job/DLRN-rpmbuild-rpm-packaging/ . It will not report to reviews for the moment, but I need to check why it hasn't checked any commit yet (it was enabled yesterday) | 13:20 |
| number80 | ack | 13:21 |
| number80 | #info RDO CI is WIP | 13:21 |
| number80 | #link https://review.rdoproject.org/jenkins/job/DLRN-rpmbuild-rpm-packaging/ | 13:21 |
| number80 | anything else? | 13:21 |
| dirk | jpena: so goal is to add it as a non-voting 3rd party report ot the reviews? that would be awesome | 13:22 |
| jpena | dirk: correct. As soon as I'm sure we can build every package, I'll do that | 13:22 |
| dirk | jpena: the two pending ones are merged :) | 13:22 |
| jpena | great! | 13:22 |
| toabctl | jpena, cool! | 13:22 |
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| number80 | yes, first step is non-voting and after few weeks, we'll review its status (few weeks> 1 week as non-voting) | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | great | 13:24 |
| number80 | I'll try to get networkx fixed faster | 13:24 |
| dirk | fwiw I plan to add an installation check at the end of the suse ci run soonish | 13:24 |
| number80 | #action number80 fix networkx on EL7 | 13:24 |
| dirk | to increase test coverage | 13:24 |
| number80 | good | 13:24 |
| number80 | DLRN already does it by default | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, about job you mentioned today for additional checks of uploading versions against u-c. | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | looks like a common job for all | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | and should this job be a part of linter? | 13:25 |
| dirk | could be | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | or as a separate one? | 13:25 |
| dirk | I haven't made up my mind on that one yet. its just a few lines of code of checking, but its worth having indeed to avoid merging something that hasn't landed in g-r yet | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | i c | 13:27 |
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| number80 | yep | 13:27 |
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| dirk | it could be doneas part of the linter job, but that one would require network then, which it currently doesn't | 13:27 |
| dirk | so I think a separate job makes more sense | 13:28 |
| number80 | ack | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | ++ | 13:28 |
| number80 | #info dirk working on a job to check upper-constraints before merging | 13:29 |
| number80 | should we move to reviews? | 13:29 |
| dirk | +1, I need to leave soon | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's move to reviews | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391362/ | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | looks fine | 13:30 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: still building.. | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes I see | 13:32 |
| toabctl | ups. I merged it. shit | 13:32 |
| toabctl | sorry | 13:32 |
| dirk | jpena: I got pinged about magnumclient https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389688/ (and the stable/newton) variant | 13:32 |
| dirk | jpena: could you revisit the -1 ? I think upper constraints is meanwhile updated | 13:32 |
| dirk | hmm, its not actually | 13:32 |
| jpena | dirk: oh yes, I saw the ping this morning, but went I went to the review it was already merged | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt#L205 | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393126/ | 13:33 |
| number80 | #topic packaging reviews | 13:33 |
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| jpena | it's on stable/newton, but still no open review for master | 13:33 |
| number80 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/pymod2pkg+status:open | 13:33 |
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| number80 | erm wrong link | 13:33 |
| number80 | #undo | 13:33 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7fac54f2c890> | 13:33 |
| number80 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | openstacksdk ? | 13:34 |
| dirk | jpena: ok, I'll work on the g-r change for magnumclient now. we should get this in | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | u-c is 9.8 | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | proposed change is 9.9 | 13:34 |
| dirk | I merged the u-c change a few minutes ago | 13:35 |
| dirk | ah, no, I only +2ed it | 13:35 |
| jpena | https://review.openstack.org/392410 is in the gate | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | jpena, so we need to wait until it will ^^ landed | 13:37 |
| dirk | g-r is a bit of a mess with the summit and travels. cleaning it up soon | 13:37 |
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| dirk | jpena: number80 : any chance you could review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380834/ ? | 13:39 |
| dirk | I need this with the new suse ci implementation on mitaka | 13:39 |
| dirk | basically it can only do templates now | 13:39 |
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| number80 | yes | 13:40 |
| number80 | any controversies on the packaging queue? | 13:41 |
| number80 | *other | 13:41 |
| dirk | yes | 13:41 |
| dirk | the mistral one | 13:41 |
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| dirk | I remember we need mistral for some tripleo stuff that is waiting already since forever | 13:41 |
| number80 | tripleoclient right? | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I faced that we have openstackclient with epoch | 13:42 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: can you fix the lint fallout on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/ soon ? | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | already working on that | 13:42 |
| dirk | oh, great | 13:42 |
| number80 | tripleoclient pulls too much things to realistically land any soon | 13:42 |
| dirk | I want to have some more openstack services in rpm-packaging before everone invents their own stuff downstream for ocata again :) | 13:42 |
| dirk | number80: iirc it was the only missing dep | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | because of reuse of our templates:) some time ago osclient had epoch 1 | 13:43 |
| dirk | at least in the suse ci | 13:43 |
| number80 | dirk: it will likely not run, i do not see heat nor heat templates | 13:44 |
| number80 | but ack | 13:44 |
| dirk | number80: iirc we just wanted to have the dep there.. | 13:44 |
| number80 | I'll give it a look then | 13:44 |
| dirk | I am fine with slightly pragmatic on it.. once we have the "useful" core package set there, we can setup functional testing and solve the rest | 13:44 |
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| number80 | true, it's just that tripleoclient is a lot of work | 13:48 |
| number80 | no pymod2pkg reviews this week | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, tests issues https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/home:suse-cloud-ci:rpm-packaging-sles12-Master-957995289c7dfb5577605c12f0cd5b3305edf1e3/python-mistral/SLE_12_SP1/x86_64 | 13:49 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yeah, functional tests are.not going to work | 13:50 |
| dirk | There is no OpenStack environment to run against. You need to restrict to unit tests | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://packaging-ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master-rpm-packaging-build-centos7/1456/consoleFull | 13:51 |
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| IgorYozhikov | tests passed | 13:51 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I see errors in docs building | 13:52 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anyway will look into it | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | do we have anything else ? 5 mins to go.... | 13:54 |
| jpena | I have a quick question | 13:55 |
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| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:55 |
| jpena | could we set a policy that, for version bumps, we set a Depends-On: to the corresponding change in openstack/requirements? | 13:56 |
| jpena | going through the current list of open reviews, there are several that have been opened before the u-c bump has been done | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | good point until we have no job for version checking | 13:56 |
| jpena | with that, we could review them and even +2+W the patch, but it would not be merged until the u-c review has been merged | 13:56 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and this should be also reflected on wiki | 13:58 |
| IgorYozhikov | just imo | 13:58 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, toabctl ^^^ your thoughts? | 13:58 |
| toabctl | sounds good | 13:59 |
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| number80 | I agree with using depends-On even if it's informative | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | we r on time | 14:00 |
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| number80 | one last question | 14:00 |
| number80 | #topic next week chair | 14:00 |
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| number80 | who wants it? | 14:00 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I can | 14:01 |
| number80 | #info IgorYozhikov is chairing next week | 14:01 |
| number80 | thanks :) | 14:01 |
| number80 | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 14:01:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-11-03-13.00.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-11-03-13.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-11-03-13.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| number80 | see you on #openstack-rpm-packaginG! | 14:01 |
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| yangyapeng | #startmeeting freezer | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 14:03:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yangyapeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:03 |
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| zhusz | hi yapeng | 14:04 |
| yangyapeng | hi zhusz | 14:04 |
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| yangyapeng | wait more people to join | 14:05 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: you have some topics to discuss ? or pending review | 14:06 |
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| zhusz | pending review: | 14:12 |
| zhusz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391764/ | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | zhusz: | 14:13 |
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| yangyapeng | +w zhusz | 14:14 |
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| yangyapeng | - Freezer-dr | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393269/ | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | - Freezer | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/390884 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/387340 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/376411 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/372193 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375257/ | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/360863 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/379065 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | -Freezer-api | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/391764 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/304742 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/377727 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/349940 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/362111 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | -Freezer-web-ui | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/392475 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/391501 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/295258 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/391503 | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | currently, there are some patch to pending review | 14:17 |
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| zhusz | OK. I'll check those patch next week. | 14:18 |
| yangyapeng | thank you zhusz. :) same to me | 14:19 |
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| yangyapeng | #topic migration mysql | 14:22 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: hi | 14:22 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: we have a myql migrate to do it , https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mysql_migration | 14:23 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: have you some idea about it. | 14:23 |
| zhusz | no more topic? | 14:23 |
| yangyapeng | i see it have some output in mysql_migration | 14:24 |
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| yangyapeng | slashme: hi | 14:26 |
| slashme | Hi | 14:26 |
| zhusz | I check that also. | 14:26 |
| zhusz | No more idea on it. | 14:26 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mysql_migration this have some output | 14:26 |
| slashme | Sorry I'm late, I forgot about the time change | 14:27 |
| yangyapeng | s:) | 14:27 |
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| slashme | At the moment, regarding the migration to Mysql, the priority is to define the new schema | 14:28 |
| slashme | This is what we are trying to do in this etherpad | 14:28 |
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| zhusz | when backup nova data to swift, the data stream will be download to host filesystem first? | 14:29 |
| slashme | zhusz | 14:29 |
| slashme | Yes and no | 14:29 |
| slashme | It pass through the host, but it is not stored on the filesystem | 14:29 |
| slashme | it is streamed | 14:29 |
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| zhusz | thanks, slashme. Will the all data be store to memory, then upload to swift? | 14:32 |
| slashme | No, not all the data, just small segments | 14:32 |
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| zhusz | Or only download chunk size data and upload? | 14:34 |
| zhusz | Oh, I see. | 14:34 |
| raliev | hi all | 14:34 |
| zhusz | hi raliev | 14:34 |
| slashme | Yes | 14:35 |
| slashme | hi raliev | 14:35 |
| yangyapeng | hi raliev | 14:36 |
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| zhusz | slashme, another question. There are 3 nodes, I installed freezer-agent one of them. 1 MySQL server, 1 NAS. | 14:39 |
| raliev | slashme, yangyapeng regadring migration to mysql, what is about the case if freezer-agent is unable to get information from db during restore process? | 14:39 |
| zhusz | I want to backup the data from MySQL server to NAS, is it available? | 14:39 |
| slashme | This is already possible | 14:40 |
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| slashme | What we mean by migration to mysql is migrating the database Freezer uses as a backuend (currently elasticsearch). | 14:41 |
| slashme | Doing backups of mysql is already available | 14:41 |
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| zhusz | #openstack-meeting-alt | 14:44 |
| zhusz | Not installed freezer-agent on MySQL server. | 14:45 |
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| slashme | I don't understand your question | 14:50 |
| zhusz | 3 servers. 1 running freezer-agent, 1 MySQL server, not installed freezer-agent, 1 NAS. | 14:51 |
| zhusz | I want to backup data from MySQL server to NAS. | 14:51 |
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| slashme | Is the MySQL server a VM ? | 14:52 |
| yangyapeng | zhusz: backup mysql data or backup fs ? | 14:52 |
| zhusz | slashme, No, another server running Redhat. | 14:53 |
| zhusz | yappeng, backup mysql data | 14:53 |
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| slashme | At the moment this is not going to be possible. Freezer-agent needs to be installed on the server where you want to do the backup | 14:54 |
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| zhusz | Oh, I see. Thanks slashme. | 14:56 |
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| slashme | We want to implement something like this in the future (but this is not a priority for now) | 14:57 |
| zhusz | yapeng, can we backup nova/cinder to ssh storage? | 14:57 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz: no | 14:59 |
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| zhusz | slashme, it's a good idea. Because we can't install freezer-agent on server sometimes. | 14:59 |
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| slashme | Yes | 14:59 |
| yangyapeng | zhusz: but i have a patch to backup to local, but i need to fix it | 14:59 |
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| slashme | We are running out of time. | 14:59 |
| zhusz | yes, I check that patch. | 14:59 |
| slashme | Let's continue in the freezer channel | 15:00 |
| zhusz | Yes. It's time to end. | 15:00 |
| yangyapeng | OK | 15:00 |
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| slashme | Thx yangyapeng for being the chair today :) | 15:00 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: :) | 15:00 |
| zhusz | thanks yapeng. | 15:00 |
| slashme | yangyapeng: you need to end the meeting | 15:00 |
| yangyapeng | thanks all | 15:01 |
| yangyapeng | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 15:01:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-11-03-14.03.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-11-03-14.03.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-11-03-14.03.log.html | 15:01 |
| daemontool | o/ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 15:01:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:02 |
| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hope you've all recovered from travel last week (those of you who were in BCN) | 15:02 |
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| markstur | hi | 15:03 |
| * bswartz is still fighting off a virus he got on the plane | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | welcome gouthamr to the manila core reviewer team! | 15:04 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:04 |
| ganso | gouthamr: congrats! | 15:04 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:04 |
| toabctl | congrats! | 15:04 |
| dustins | \o/ | 15:04 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I haven't actually added you to the gerrit group, we need to talk about official procedures first | 15:04 |
| xyang2 | gouthamr: congrats! | 15:04 |
| bswartz | mostly our agreed to rule about people from the same company not workflowing patches | 15:05 |
| markstur | Congrats! | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | hey, thanks everyone. I'll try doing better than what i'm doing :) | 15:05 |
| bswartz | also just a reminder where we are in the release | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: just try? )) | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:06 |
| bswartz | This is R-16, and milestone 1 is 2 weeks away | 15:06 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: so we have one deadline for specs instead of two? | 15:06 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: I thought you proposed two deadlines in the spec | 15:06 |
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| xyang2 | but Ocata is short, so makes sense to combine them | 15:06 |
| bswartz | xyang2: the spec freeze on the schedule is the "low priority" spec freeze, which is the only thing that matters for people who don't regularly attend these meetings | 15:07 |
| bswartz | high priority specs will have more time, but those we will agree on and deal with as a core team | 15:07 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: Ocata-2? that was on the spec | 15:08 |
| bswartz | According the spec deadline spec, if we decide a spec is high priority it has until ocata-2 to merge (Dec 15) | 15:08 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: maybe confusing though we have a hidden spec deadline for high priority ones. why not publish it | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I didn't publish both because I didn't want to crowd the community calendar with manila dates and I didn't want to create confusion about low/high priority stuff for people who don't already know | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I would like to see calendar event for such major things | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | I can update the calendar again -- I just worry that all the project-specific stuff will get out of hand | 15:10 |
| bswartz | there's already 4 deadlines the week for R-10 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | anyways, let's move on to actually discussing specs | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz will update community calendar with BOTH spec deadline dates | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #topic Spec review & prioritization | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec review & prioritization (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-spec-review-focus | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so there are 2 decisions to make | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | for specs that require review attention from the whole core team, we will put them on this etherpad | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we will expect the whole core team to review everyone on that list | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | the other decision is high priority specs, which will be designated as such in the specs repo | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'd like to go through the list of specs and get people's opinions right now | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic manila-ipv6 | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "manila-ipv6 (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:14 | |
| vponomaryov | how opinion should look like? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I don't think this needs any special treatment | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | 3 - high priority? 2 - middle? 1 - low? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | if you feel a spec needs review focus (from the whole team) or should be high priority, just mention it | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | also, I need to mention that we do not have spec for high priority feature - use messages | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | we agreed to poll driver owners, if any drivers can't support then maybe that has to get fixed first | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | user* messages | 15:16 |
| bswartz | IMO this feels medium priority and just needs buy in from drivers authors mostly | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | I would say it is low | 15:16 |
| markstur | seems low-to-mid except the part about whether some drivers cant do it | 15:16 |
| ganso | I personally think ipv6 needs review focus because it affects current state of drivers | 15:16 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: more than one spec is missing | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I haven't written the race condition spec yet either | 15:17 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: save some for next week | 15:17 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: any estimate on when you could submit a draft | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so we should expect new specs as we go | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we can only review stuff that exists however | 15:17 |
| bswartz | xyang2: it's high on my personal list | 15:18 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: ok. we could help with implementation as you are looking for volunteers, but want to know what is the proposal:) | 15:18 |
| bswartz | however higher priority was to review existing specs for today's discussion | 15:18 |
| markstur | unfortunately that means our "cut-line" could change and the lowest high pri might get bumped down | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | markstur: that's okay -- remember the cut line isn't a commit line, it's literally a cut line | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | we will ideally merge a few more specs than we actually get implemented | 15:20 |
| markstur | yeah. maybe I shouldn't have said "unfortunately". | 15:20 |
| bswartz | okay I heard one vote to add this one to review focus etherpad | 15:20 |
| bswartz | It's small enough that I agree with this-- everyone should at least look at ipv6 spec | 15:20 |
| bswartz | #topic add-db-manage-purge | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | this feels low priority to me, but also pretty low risk | 15:21 |
| bswartz | any concerns about this one that would suggest we need to review it in more detail? | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1, it's gonna be increasingly important in large deployments | 15:22 |
| tbarron | doesn't seem urgent, low risk if it's just something all projects do it essentially the same way | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: you know of any examples we should be emulating? | 15:22 |
| tbarron | bswartz: haven't checked | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes, Cinder has this, and the spec mirrors that one | 15:22 |
| tbarron | cknight: that's what I was hoping | 15:23 |
| bswartz | k that's my main concern -- this is an area where we should attempt to conform with others and not be different | 15:23 |
| markstur | storage companies prefer DBs that grow forever | 15:23 |
| bswartz | markstur: +1 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #topic create-share-from-snapshot-extra-spec | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "create-share-from-snapshot-extra-spec (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:23 | |
| tbarron | well, i prefer a snappy DB | 15:23 |
| markstur | tbarron: patience | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I'd like everyone to review this one I think | 15:24 |
| tbarron | markstur: no such thing | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: this one is a prerequisite for the other snapshot specs (revert, mount) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | it's been discussed a lot already | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:24 |
| bswartz | and I doubt there are any issues, but we should make sure | 15:24 |
| markstur | hi pri, I'd think | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: and the code is nearly ready as well | 15:24 |
| bswartz | markstur: you'd want to hold up the release for this one feature? | 15:24 |
| markstur | maybe medium pri | 15:24 |
| bswartz | It seems low priority to me -- but it's more or less done, let's just finish it and move on | 15:25 |
| bswartz | the fact that stuff depends on it may boost the priority | 15:25 |
| * bswartz adds it to etherpad | 15:25 | |
| tbarron | bswartz: does 'hi pri' actually mean 'hold the release'? I thought it just means 'gets most resources' | 15:25 |
| markstur | we can't actually hold the release | 15:25 |
| bswartz | tbarron: not literally -- we never hold the release for anything | 15:26 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:26 |
| * tbarron isn't used to bswartz being hyperbolic | 15:26 | |
| ganso | I think it means it is a highly desired to be implemented feature | 15:26 |
| ganso | at least in ocata release | 15:26 |
| bswartz | the point of high priority is that we'd be willing to drop everything else not high priority to get it done, if it came to that | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; then why etherpad does not contain priorities? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: high priority specs will go into git | 15:27 |
| bswartz | etherpad is for tracking review focus list | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I know it's confusing, but I think this system will work | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it would be more obvious to write it in one single place | 15:28 |
| bswartz | obviousness is non-goal of the new spec deadline process :-/ | 15:28 |
| markstur | we will weed out those that are easily confused | 15:29 |
| bswartz | the goal is to say no to things earlier and to optimize our limited review time | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #topic support-quota-usage-in-detail | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "support-quota-usage-in-detail (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:29 | |
| bswartz | This spec worries me | 15:30 |
| bswartz | it adds a feature to an already creaky quota system | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | without trying to fix the problems with the existing system | 15:30 |
| bswartz | tbarron led a session in austin about quotas, but no progress has been made on solving the issues | 15:30 |
| markstur | and this deadline thing will get us to do more spec reviews and close them unlike last time | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I'd need to be convinced that the problem this spec solves is more important than fixing the other problems we already know about | 15:31 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1, quotas need an overhaul | 15:31 |
| tbarron | bswartz: this isn't a big change and I wouldn't have a problem with it if they basically just copy the same thing that is done in nova today | 15:31 |
| bswartz | tbarron: is this a copy/paste of work done in nova? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | bswartz: but I don't think the spec is ready yet on its own terms | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: but still, it is review-resource consuming and, hence, very low priority | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay no need to boost this spec | 15:32 |
| tbarron | bswartz: my issue is that it's not yet a copy/paste, and the problem statement isn't yet right | 15:32 |
| bswartz | #topic ocata-migration-improvements | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata-migration-improvements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:32 | |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: no argument from me | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I like continually improving the migration feature | 15:33 |
| * vponomaryov assesses ocata-migration-improvements as medium | 15:33 | |
| gouthamr | yes, it doesn't seem too heavy to me | 15:33 |
| cknight | bswartz: makes sense to continue incremental progress on migration | 15:33 |
| bswartz | my concern is that ganso might be overcommiting his limited development time in ocata | 15:34 |
| tbarron | +1 for continuous improvement on migration | 15:34 |
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| ganso | those are not big changes | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: you think the spec should be pared down? | 15:34 |
| ganso | the most relevant one is transitioning to non-experimental | 15:34 |
| bswartz | ganso: are you going to be able to write the code for all your specs if we merge them all? | 15:34 |
| ganso | I have only 2 specs which are targeted for ocata | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | now we have one new alias in our community? )) #overcommiter in adition to #shameless ? )) | 15:34 |
| bswartz | mostly I want to figure out what ganso's personal priorities are for coding this stuff | 15:34 |
| tbarron | ganso: i'm concerned about non-experimental at this stage though | 15:34 |
| markstur | I'd think migration continuous improvement would be OK after o1. So that's either HI or it's bug fixes only | 15:35 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: what's up with shameless? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | does this need review focus? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | yes | 15:35 |
| cknight | yes | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: only data jobs table and that migration improvements | 15:35 |
| bswartz | it's a core feature -- I feel like we all should at least take a look here | 15:35 |
| * bswartz adds it to etheroad | 15:35 | |
| gouthamr | #shameless, heh | 15:35 |
| tbarron | the experimental/non-experimental decision (for any feature, not just migration) means we need review focus | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: ask gouthamr =) | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic data-service-jobs-table | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "data-service-jobs-table (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:36 | |
| bswartz | I really like this feature | 15:36 |
| * vponomaryov assesses data-service-jobs-table as medium | 15:36 | |
| bswartz | it feels like a large change for a small release though | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso how much code do you think this will require? | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | it should be done before making migration API non-experimental | 15:37 |
| markstur | hmmm. something like this it'd be great to merge it early in case it has issues | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: depends on whether we want to address the Data Service being HA in Ocata | 15:37 |
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| markstur | which makes me want to say it's hi priority but requires the low-pri deadline | 15:37 |
| cknight | bswartz: agree, is it feasible for this to fit in Ocata? | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: my spec does not include the produce/consume proposal we discussed in BCN | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: so the table itself would be "part 1" | 15:38 |
| bswartz | For this one I feel like we should definitely get the review done and start testing the implementation | 15:38 |
| ganso | bswartz: as proposed in the spec | 15:38 |
| cknight | bswartz: perhaps we should review the spec now even though the lead time is long enough to ship in Pike | 15:38 |
| bswartz | however the likelihood of actually landing still seems marginal | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | cknight: +1 | 15:38 |
| tbarron | cknight: +1 | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay so review focus yes? high priority no? | 15:38 |
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| xyang2 | ganso: is part 1 only adding the table but not using it? | 15:39 |
| ganso | xyang2: it uses the table, but it does not implement a recovery mechanism for allowing the Data Service to be Active-Active | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:40 |
| bswartz | ganso: you're thinking about a phased implementation? | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:40 |
| bswartz | that seems smart | 15:40 |
| bswartz | added to etherpad | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: this will need to evolve along with the Active-Active implementation requirements for manila | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #topic add-share-type-filter-to-get-pools | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "add-share-type-filter-to-get-pools (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:40 | |
| ganso | bswartz: along with the Workers table we discussed in BCN | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I read this spec and I wondered if it solves a real problem | 15:41 |
| tbarron | I haven't understood this one yet | 15:41 |
| ganso | bswartz: the spec at this moment only proposes adding a table to track jobs, not any advanced mechanisms to restart them | 15:41 |
| markstur | low priority because if it gets in o1 great, but if it is later it should slide to the next release. ??? | 15:41 |
| markstur | although it seems like if it can go in small pieces we want to keep progressing | 15:41 |
| bswartz | how are people using the get pools API? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | it's another thing that seems low risk and has possible utility | 15:41 |
| cknight | bswartz: not sure what the use case is | 15:41 |
| bswartz | however I don't see a reason to elevate it | 15:42 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:42 |
| tbarron | is the info it filters on already available so one could filter at another layer? | 15:42 |
| ganso | IRC is lagging a lot here... I get 40 seconds of silence then 15 messages at once :( | 15:42 |
| cknight | tbarron: maybe, but the scheduler is the right place to do it | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | it is low priority as desired result can be achieved by other means | 15:42 |
| bswartz | cknight: if we can't figure out the use case then that's a -1 on the spec | 15:42 |
| markstur | certainly wouldn't hold the release for it | 15:42 |
| bswartz | however that's probably fixable and then this spec could go forward | 15:42 |
| bswartz | ganso: slow internets are slow | 15:43 |
| bswartz | maybe try a different server | 15:43 |
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| ganso | bswartz: was wondering if it was only me | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | yeah, I just need to understand the use case better, otherwise seems straightforward enough | 15:43 |
| bswartz | no problems here, and no evidence of a netsplit | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #topic manila-share-revert-to-snapshot | 15:44 |
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| cknight | This spec already merged in Newton, I've just moved it to Ocata with very minor edits. | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | seems it could be medium and still get done | 15:44 |
| bswartz | yeah this seems like a slam dunk -- does it need review focus though? | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | it should land in Ocata so driver maintainers could start implementing it, medium | 15:44 |
| ganso | I would like to see that one in Ocata :) | 15:45 |
| cknight | There was concern about the inferior Cinder version not matching ours, but that shouldn't hold us up IMO. | 15:45 |
| tbarron | i would like review focus b/c there is a review in cinder by players on both projects that is inconsistent with this oone | 15:45 |
| cknight | tbarron: Thanks for pushing for consistency! | 15:45 |
| tbarron | cknight: i want to make sure everyone on manila is aware of the issues and if there are good args to do it differently that they are surfaced | 15:46 |
| cknight | tbarron: +1 | 15:46 |
| tbarron | cknight: I think the cinder spec should change myself though | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 | 15:46 |
| markstur | sounds like needs focus | 15:46 |
| bswartz | okay I'll add to etherpad -- it should be an easy review for most because we've discussed it at length already | 15:46 |
| ganso | tbarron: +1 cknight's spec looks fine to me | 15:46 |
| bswartz | #topic scenario-tests | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "scenario-tests (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:47 | |
| tbarron | hi priok, review focus | 15:47 |
| tbarron | prio | 15:47 |
| ganso | high priority | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | +1 hi | 15:47 |
| markstur | hi | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I agree on high priority | 15:47 |
| tbarron | and these can be added throughout the release cycle, right? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | it's a QA activity though -- do we really need everyone to review it? | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | some part of this spec requires additional decisions that we haven't come to in Barcelona | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | however, i don't see who's the main implementer in this case | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: do we have a QA subteam? | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I think we should all learn to think end-to-end | 15:48 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we have people more focused on QA and people less focused | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron, /me ? | 15:48 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: yeah, that's my point, we need to clone you | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: why do you have thsi world so much? )) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: since you wrote this, do you feel you want the whole team to weigh in before this merges? or would two +2s be enough? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no, no need to heavy review | 15:49 |
| tbarron | i guess i'm not arguing for team review focus, rather for team implementations :) | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: you're talking about manage share, anything besides that? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | any disagreement about leaving this off the etherpad? | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: 2 issues with manage share, yes | 15:50 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: please make sure we do reach closure on any dependencies by adding weekly meeting agenda items or ML posts | 15:50 |
| bswartz | okay I added it to high priority list | 15:51 |
| bswartz | #topic mountable_snapshots | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mountable_snapshots (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:51 | |
| markstur | (i see that looks like I just said hello, but hi is lazy for high -- not joking around this time) | 15:51 |
| markstur | i was assuming vponomaryov will make it work and we all can then make it keep getting better | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | mountable snapshots has some code ready, but does not conform to the snapshot semantics that create_share_from_snapshot_support / revet_tosnapshot have | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | so, i would get those developers in sync :P | 15:52 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: this question is about the spec | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | then we can actually get this done in ocata.. | 15:52 |
| ganso | gouthamr: tpsilva is updating his code and spec | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: not sure we really need this feature in Ocata | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I say not high priority | 15:52 |
| ganso | gouthamr: it should be done in Ocata, it is almost ready downstream | 15:53 |
| bswartz | but review focus this as it has wide-ranging affects similar to other snapshot changes | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov bswartz +1 not a high priority, but if the code's ready and working, we can bag these as "alternate snapshot semantics, done right" | 15:53 |
| tpsilva | it's almost ready | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | oh hey tpsilva | 15:53 |
| tpsilva | gouthamr: :) | 15:54 |
| bswartz | don't we want everyone to take one last look at the spec though so there aren't disagreements later? | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | errr | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | okay I'm not hearing opposition so I'll add this to etherpad and move on | 15:55 |
| * bswartz notes that lack of opposition could be due to IRC issues | 15:55 | |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:56 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes should be same priority as revert-to-snapshot, they should be in sync | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #topic share-network-multiple-subnets | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "share-network-multiple-subnets (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:56 | |
| ganso | high priority | 15:56 |
| bswartz | this is something that needs doing if we ever want replication to work with share servers | 15:56 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: why? I would say it can wait till Pike | 15:57 |
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| gouthamr | okay, this is a port from newton... the work itself seems easy for me to do.. and i am committed to it | 15:57 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: because we could experiment with it before transitioning Replication out of experimental API status | 15:57 |
| ganso | it is highly desired to finish replication API | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I'm a big fan of this feature but it doesn't feel absolutely essential | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | i'm okay with you guys punting it to pike, but i will be pushing code either ways. | 15:57 |
| bswartz | okay since we're out of time | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | we made good progress today, but there's some more specs to cover | 15:58 |
| bswartz | do we need a special meeting to wrap up the list? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | or can it wait until next week? | 15:58 |
| ganso | all of the remaining ones I would suggest not targetting Ocata | 15:59 |
| bswartz | can I propose another meeting this time tomorrow? | 15:59 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: manila-share-groups should be in Ocatqa | 15:59 |
| cknight | ganso: +1 | 16:00 |
| cknight | bswartz: none of the remaining ones are likely to make Ocata | 16:00 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: share groups? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | okay guys let's move to the #openstack-manila channel and keep talking | 16:00 |
| bswartz | we need to vacate this room | 16:00 |
| vponomaryov | share groups is everyone-influencing feature | 16:01 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 16:01:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-11-03-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-11-03-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-11-03-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov_ | #startmeeting | 16:04 |
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| ashtokolov | #startmeeting | 16:05 |
| openstack | ashtokolov: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 16:05:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ashtokolov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:05 |
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| ashtokolov | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | Fuelers, thank you so much for your contribution during the design summit | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | all notes are here: | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ocata-summit-planning | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | Action items from my side: share the results and further activities around integration with TripleO | 16:08 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ocata-fuel-tripleo-integration | 16:09 |
| ashtokolov | #action ashtokolov will share updates around Fuel-TripleO integration | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | #endmeeting | 16:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 16:13:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-11-03-16.05.html | 16:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-11-03-16.05.txt | 16:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-11-03-16.05.log.html | 16:13 |
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| lhinds | #startmeeting security | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 17:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:02 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:02 |
| vds | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ ish - sorry on a call :'( | 17:02 |
| capnoday | o/ | 17:02 |
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| lhinds | #chair hyakuhei | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds | 17:02 |
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| browne | o/ | 17:03 |
| Michaelxin__ | Hi | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | #topic agenda | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | todays agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | please made additions / amendments if needed | 17:03 |
| Michaelxin__ | elmiko how are you? | 17:03 |
| elmiko | Michaelxin__: not bad! just getting ready for kubecon and apachecon =) | 17:04 |
| elmiko | how you doing? | 17:04 |
| lhinds | #topic Privacy Badger + Security blog | 17:04 |
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| Michaelxin__ | Doing ok | 17:04 |
| Michaelxin__ | Thanks | 17:04 |
| lhinds | I can't recall where we are with Privacy Badger, anyone that can update there? | 17:04 |
| elmiko | what's the issue here? | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | is the blog showing some unfriendliness in PB? | 17:05 |
| lhinds | IIRC its an addon which does not like the blog? | 17:05 |
| vds | Hi, I'm Vincenzo Di Somma, this is my first meeting, I'm a security architect, I'm between jobs and looking for ways to help you guys. | 17:05 |
| elmiko | yeah, i use it all the time, didn't notice the security blog had warning | 17:05 |
| lhinds | Security Blog..any posts pending? | 17:06 |
| elmiko | it looks for tracking tokens and the like | 17:06 |
| lhinds | #action hyakuhei to give lhinds mergies (or help him spot where the function is) | 17:06 |
| lhinds | elmiko: something like that | 17:06 |
| lhinds | I was half in the meeting when it was discussed | 17:07 |
| lhinds | hi vds ! | 17:07 |
| elmiko | vds: welcome! | 17:07 |
| lhinds | nice to have you! | 17:07 |
| Michaelxin__ | Welcome | 17:07 |
| mcdong | Welcome! | 17:07 |
| vds | thank you! | 17:07 |
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| lhinds | anymore on the blog...? | 17:07 |
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| lhinds | going, going, gone.. | 17:08 |
| lhinds | #topic OpenCIT | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | oh wait | 17:08 |
| lhinds | I think we might need tmcpeak for this. | 17:08 |
| lhinds | elmiko: sure... | 17:08 |
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| capnoday | openCIT? | 17:08 |
| elmiko | just to add on to the blog thing, looks like the blog site has hidden links to google-analytics and something about google drive | 17:08 |
| elmiko | that's what PB is reporting | 17:08 |
| capnoday | ahh iirc thats because we are hosting some of the images on google drive | 17:09 |
| elmiko | makes sense | 17:09 |
| elmiko | just wanted to add that, sorry for the overlfow | 17:09 |
| lhinds | so we need to move them into the gitpages repo? | 17:09 |
| capnoday | yup | 17:09 |
| elmiko | and remove the analytics stuff, i would imagine, although that kinda doesn't help with metrics lol | 17:09 |
| capnoday | yeh thats annoying | 17:09 |
| lhinds | #action lhinds to move images over to gitpages repo | 17:10 |
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| capnoday | thanks lhinds | 17:10 |
| capnoday | i'd have thought every website in the world would trigger the analytics filter | 17:10 |
| lhinds | not sure about if we should touch analytics, lets park that for next week maybe | 17:10 |
| elmiko | capnoday: they mostly do lol | 17:10 |
| elmiko | lhinds: +1 | 17:10 |
| lhinds | k OpenCIT | 17:11 |
| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-cit | 17:11 |
| lhinds | OpenCIT is intels next evo of trusted boot | 17:11 |
| capnoday | lhinds +1 | 17:11 |
| capnoday | ahh yeah | 17:11 |
| lhinds | they have re-wrote the openattestation stuff | 17:11 |
| elmiko | looks neat | 17:11 |
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| lhinds | and can do new funky things like extend the trust from the kvm/qemu for the VM boot cycle | 17:12 |
| lhinds | they shared with us about the new nova scheduler filter for trusted compute pools. | 17:12 |
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| lhinds | I think they want some community momentum so were seeking others to get involved | 17:12 |
| lhinds | thus presenting to the OSSP at the summit | 17:12 |
| lhinds | we gave some feedback, but not sure what the next steps were. | 17:13 |
| lhinds | I guess we can check with tmcpeak when he is back | 17:13 |
| lhinds | #topic Syntribos | 17:13 |
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| Michaelxin__ | All team members went to a local security conference | 17:14 |
| Michaelxin__ | Lascon | 17:14 |
| Michaelxin__ | So, no update this week | 17:14 |
| lhinds | k, thx Michaelxin__ | 17:14 |
| lhinds | #topic OSSN | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | So we have three embargoed notes being worked on by hyakuhei and tmcpeak | 17:15 |
| lhinds | and a new public if anyone has an interest in getting into note authorship? | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | if not I will assign it to myself | 17:16 |
| lhinds | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1562175 | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562175 in OpenStack Security Advisory "Pre-auth COPY in versioned_writes can result in a successful COPY that wouldn't have been authorized" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:16 |
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| lhinds | if anyone wants to read it first, and have a think about it, you can ping me later on and we can discuss whats needed | 17:16 |
| lhinds | notes are a good way of getting involved into the security group, and there is some hand holding on the first few, so don't be concerned about taking on something major | 17:17 |
| vds | can I take it? | 17:17 |
| lhinds | vds: sure! | 17:17 |
| lhinds | thanks! | 17:17 |
| lhinds | do you have a launchpad account? | 17:18 |
| vds | yup | 17:18 |
| vds | vds | 17:18 |
| lhinds | k, under 'OpenStack Security Notes' - changed 'UNassigned' to yourself | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | and I can help you get going from there, what TZ are you in? | 17:18 |
| lhinds | s/changed/change | 17:19 |
| capnoday | Isnt there a wiki page on how to get started writing notes? | 17:19 |
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| lhinds | capnoday: good Q.. | 17:19 |
| lhinds | <checking> | 17:19 |
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| sicarie | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process | 17:19 |
| lhinds | yep, there we go vds ^ | 17:20 |
| vds | lhinds: UTC+2 | 17:20 |
| vds | great, thanks | 17:20 |
| lhinds | vds: ok, so I am on UTC right now, so you can ping me if you need any help. | 17:20 |
| capnoday | thanks sicarie | 17:21 |
| vds | lhinds: will do, thx! | 17:21 |
| sicarie | vds: I'm also secguide core and do quite a bit with documentation (of which this is a more relaxed version) so feel free to reach out to me as well, though lhinds will probably be more helpful | 17:21 |
| vds | sicarie: thx | 17:21 |
| lhinds | sicarie +1, he helped me a lot to get started | 17:21 |
| lhinds | #topic Security Review | 17:21 |
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| lhinds | I doubt there is anything new here with the summit just passed? | 17:22 |
| capnoday | did anything come out of the summit? | 17:22 |
| capnoday | there were sessions on this? | 17:22 |
| lhinds | So I copied and pasted the last etherpad entry...does this pertain to Threat Analysis or something else? | 17:23 |
| lhinds | regarding the summit, we spoke about threat analysis, I showed the new Notes API I started prototyping, and there was a demo of the Bandit Jenkins plugin. | 17:24 |
| capnoday | pasted it where? | 17:24 |
| lhinds | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:24 |
| capnoday | nothing on the threat analysis at the summit? | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | There was some good feedback. Unfortunately I'm on the phone right now | 17:25 |
| lhinds | capnoday: yes, hyakuhei did a session with projects invited..like an ambassdor / out reach | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Not much on the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-security-ta | 17:25 |
| capnoday | ok lets shelve this until next week | 17:26 |
| lhinds | thanks hyakuhei | 17:26 |
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| lhinds | #topic security guide | 17:26 |
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| sicarie | nothing from me | 17:27 |
| sicarie | been trying to recover | 17:27 |
| lhinds | updates were merged for newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382600/2/releasenotes/source/newton.rst | 17:27 |
| lhinds | and the queue is empty: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/security-doc,n,z | 17:27 |
| lhinds | hope your feeling better sicarie | 17:27 |
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| sicarie | just need sleep: new baby | 17:27 |
| sicarie | :D | 17:27 |
| sicarie | but I should be able to ramp up again soon | 17:28 |
| lhinds | oh, I know those :) | 17:28 |
| lhinds | #topic OpenStack Barcelona Washup | 17:28 |
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| lhinds | so this is for a post summit discussion. | 17:28 |
| lhinds | I highlighted the key points above. I was thinking, those of us that went could maybe joint author a blog post? | 17:29 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei sound like a good idea? | 17:29 |
| lhinds | that will be a way of capturing for others, and having on record | 17:29 |
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| sicarie | i nominate gmurphy | 17:30 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:30 |
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| sicarie | sorry, just had to give him a hard time :) | 17:30 |
| lhinds | another topic of interest was the nova security summit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-security | 17:31 |
| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-security | 17:31 |
| elmiko | understandable, he's so loveable =) | 17:31 |
| lhinds | Lot's on image signing, with feedback from myself and hyakuhei (well more hyakuhei then me) | 17:31 |
| lhinds | k, that's all from me.. | 17:32 |
| lhinds | #topic AOB | 17:32 |
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| lhinds | I just noticed Bandit was not on the list, so if some Bandit cores are here, I could hash that as a topic? | 17:32 |
| lhinds | same for anchor | 17:32 |
| capnoday | anchor is currently a nop | 17:33 |
| capnoday | so that can stay off the agenda for the moment | 17:33 |
| lhinds | capnoday: thx | 17:33 |
| capnoday | travis and tkelsey arent here, so lets leave bandit unless anyone wants to discuss it | 17:33 |
| lhinds | k, thanks all! | 17:34 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 17:34:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-11-03-17.02.html | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-11-03-17.02.txt | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-11-03-17.02.log.html | 17:34 |
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| elmiko | thanks lhinds ! | 17:34 |
| lhinds | see you elmiko | 17:34 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 19:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy ping for dtroyer jlk ijw joehuang maishsk katomo bkero ttx takashin edleafe flaper87 takashi samueldmq saitou coolsvap devananda boltR denaitre Qiming scottda GheRivero ricolin tkatarki xek jimbaker sadasu rlpple csatari phschwartz hu jie DinaBelova mdarnell r1chardj0n3s dgonzalez sileht | 19:01 |
| auggy | o/ | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| auggy | hrm somehow my name dissappeared | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy ping as well for usual suspects for arch_wg nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy, rockyg, rocky_g | 19:02 |
| harlowja | oh hi | 19:02 |
| auggy | aha | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | auggy: that first list was the list from the summit session :) | 19:02 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 19:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | welcome, I hope, many newcomers! | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Summit recap | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | I wanted to really quick recap the summit fishbowl experience before we get into the usual agenda. | 19:04 |
| harlowja | k | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | First, it was great to see such a dense turnout for the session in Barcelona. We had a great cross section of OpenStack come by to take a look. | 19:04 |
| cdent | o/ | 19:04 |
| harlowja | \o | 19:04 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | I actually feel that the questions asked, and the group's responses, helped me to refine our message and mission even more, and I hope we can get that recorded and written down very soon. | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | Did anyone else have some impressions from the summit session (and summit in general) they wanted to share? | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-architecture-wg | 19:05 |
| * harlowja eagerly awaits the recap | 19:06 | |
| harlowja | ha | 19:06 |
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| DinaBelova | o/ | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | So the main thing I got from that session is that what seems to be missing from OpenStack in general is a recording of the intended theory of operations of the authors of the bits that form the architecture. | 19:07 |
| rockyg | frekin' missed it. Missed most of the sessions. Grumble. | 19:07 |
| harlowja | i missed it to, oops :-/ | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | Everyone has an idea of how they thing things work, and there are plenty of functional docs on how each piece should work, but details on the overall way that these pieces are intended to be used are largely gleaned from code examples that form a very strong cargo cult. | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | s/thing/think/ | 19:08 |
| cdent | SpamapS: I read your blog posting and while I agree with your decision on what needs to happen I didn't really feel like anyone felt like there was a cogent theory of operation(s) | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | #link http://fewbar.com/2016/10/openstack-architecture-wg-because-we-all-arent-gaudi/ | 19:09 |
| cdent | but yes, there are lots of different ideas on how things work (which is not quite the same thing) | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | Right, many have _Strong_ opinions that something should work one way or another, and the point we brought to their attention is that this is not recorded in OpenStack itself. | 19:09 |
| DinaBelova | it looks we miss mapping (or whatever documented) between reasons (whatever - workloads, business reasons, etc.) and actual solutions | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | DinaBelova: correct, that is definitely a missing piece. | 19:11 |
| DinaBelova | ideally this mapping needs to be not only "documented", but also somehow "proved" | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | So there was some talk of where we might record these things. | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | There's a systems architecture manual for end-users.. but we really need an internal architecture manual targetted at engineering. | 19:11 |
| DinaBelova | ++ | 19:11 |
| harlowja | +1 from me,though i want to make sure those things we record actually are useful for <the wider community> (vs just being useful to this group) | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | DinaBelova: oh that's a good point that I may have discounted a bit. There is a strong desire to make sure we're not just being "astronaut architects" but that we are proving out our findings and recommendations. | 19:12 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:12 |
| auggy | +1 from me too, it can also help to focus reviews | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | So, we'll need to work toward that in our process discussions, as I think right now our only planned outputs are our recommendations, and direct patches to the projects to implement them. But it sounds like we may actually need to also think about writing documentation specifically for architecture. | 19:13 |
| harlowja | i nominate SpamapS for being the openstack cat herder :-P | 19:13 |
| DinaBelova | SpamapS indeed, from our team (performance team) experience - everything needs to be proved. If that is about scalability / performance - that can be easily enough tested. If there is purely "dev-friendly" architecture solutions, that's more subjective, but also can be measured | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | DinaBelova: +1 | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | ok, so before we move on to our usual meeting agenda. Did anyone else have more to add? | 19:14 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:15 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/ | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | - SpamapS continue driving repo creation forward | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | I'm happy to report that this is _done_, and we have a repo! | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | it is, unfortunately, empty at this time, but we will fill it up soon with a structure for working on proposals | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | #link https://git.openstack.org/openstack/arch-wg | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | clone that to participate :) | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | - SpamapS submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo upon its creation. | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | didn't get a chance to do that just yet, so will carry forward | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo upon its creation. | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | - SpamapS email openstack-dev architecture tag when the repo is available for submissions | 19:17 |
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| SpamapS | oops, forgot to do that too | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS email openstack-dev architecture tag when the repo is available for submissions | 19:17 |
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| SpamapS | - SpamapS email ttx with update to Fishbowl text and links. | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | That sort of got done, but also didn't, but we did a fishbowl, so it's done | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | - Pre-populate etherpad with mission statement | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | Also part of fishbowl, and it kind of didn't happen. Oh well, irrelevant now | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 19:19 |
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| SpamapS | So this is still only recorded here: | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-draft | 19:20 |
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| SpamapS | anybody want to sign up to submit that into arch-wg? | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | I'm already pretty full on arch-wg tasks so unlikely I'll get it done :-P | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | #action Submit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-draft as text for arch-wg repo | 19:20 |
| SpamapS | if somebody wants to pick that up I'd be grateful | 19:21 |
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| DinaBelova | SpamapS I'll try to do that this week :) | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | DinaBelova: thank you!! | 19:21 |
| DinaBelova | I have Friday :D | 19:21 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 19:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for work (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:21 | |
| SpamapS | As yet we still only have base services on our list | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | and the summit kind of stopped us from talking about it so I think we'll just keep that for now | 19:22 |
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| SpamapS | it also sounds like we might want to start taking on just general documenting of the state of architecture theory of operation in each oslo library. | 19:22 |
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| harlowja | yup | 19:23 |
| harlowja | +1 from me | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | I also think we need to poll the Product Working Group to get ideas for what they have trouble talking about | 19:23 |
| harlowja | i haven't yet started that ML thread | 19:23 |
| harlowja | others are more than welcome to | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | I'm going to just leave this as "we need more proposals" | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:24 | |
| SpamapS | Quick meeting, I know everybody is still in summit recovery mode | 19:24 |
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| SpamapS | DOesn't seem like there's much chatter.. so I want to just release everyone from their IRC screens ... any discussion can of course continue in #openstack-architecture | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | going once? | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | twice... | 19:26 |
| DinaBelova | yep, it looks like that's all :) | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 19:26 |
| cdent | gone, I'm still digesting last week | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:26 | |
| SpamapS | thanks! | 19:26 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 19:26:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-11-03-19.01.html | 19:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-11-03-19.01.txt | 19:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-11-03-19.01.log.html | 19:26 |
| harlowja | get the bowl movement over with cdent | 19:26 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:26 |
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| cdent | nasty little harlowja will not get invited to future climbing | 19:27 |
| harlowja | lol | 19:27 |
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