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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 14:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #topic Roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 14:00 | |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 14:00 |
| zhurong | zhurong | 14:01 |
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| devkulkarni | hi zhu | 14:01 |
| zhurong | hey Dev | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for joining today | 14:01 |
| caowei_ | hi All | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi caowei_ | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni | I haven't heard from Ablu whether he will be joining or not | 14:02 |
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| devkulkarni | we can start | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni | here is the agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni | Let me jump to the discussion section | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Discussion | 14:03 |
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| devkulkarni | (zhurong) Barcelona summit updates | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni | Zhu, floor is yours.. I am curious to know how was the summit experience for you.. | 14:04 |
| devkulkarni | what all sessions did you attend? | 14:04 |
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| zhurong | Prepare for my topic, spend a lot of time | 14:04 |
| zhurong | so there not too much time to attend the session | 14:05 |
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| devkulkarni | ah I see.. apart from solum fishbowl, did you present other topics as well? | 14:05 |
| zhurong | And due to my pool English... can not under most of the conent | 14:05 |
| devkulkarni | ah okay. how was the marketplace? did you visit it? | 14:06 |
| zhurong | I attended the release manage session, but can not understand all | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | ok great. | 14:07 |
| devkulkarni | I wanted to ask you about it | 14:07 |
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| devkulkarni | was there any specific highlight from that session that you remember? | 14:07 |
| zhurong | nop, just we need follow the email instructions | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni | ah okay | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni | we can keep an eye out for emails that are tagged with [release] tag | 14:09 |
| zhurong | yep | 14:10 |
| zhurong | this is the most import thing | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni | here is the release schedule for this cycle | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni | https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 14:10 |
| devkulkarni | I would encourage you to keep that link handy | 14:10 |
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| devkulkarni | for us the next important thing coming up is the "Ocata Community Goals Acknowledgement" | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni | https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html#o-goals-ack | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni | the deadline for that is next week | 14:11 |
| zhurong | and the summit will seperate into two, user and developer | 14:12 |
| devkulkarni | lets discuss today about where we stand as far as the goal of removing incubated oslo code | 14:12 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: yep, that is a good point | 14:12 |
| devkulkarni | did you read the email that thierry sent yesterday about Atlanta PTG | 14:12 |
| zhurong | and next one in Boston, I think you will attend this one | 14:13 |
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| devkulkarni | well, I don't know yet..lets see. the PTG is for projects that have large distributed teams | 14:14 |
| devkulkarni | but it was great for you to represent solum at Barcelona | 14:14 |
| devkulkarni | I know you said that there were not many folks in the fishbowl.. that is okay.. it happens. for Tokyo also we had handful of folks.. but in Austin that number had increased substantially | 14:15 |
| devkulkarni | so the attendance ebbs and flows | 14:15 |
| devkulkarni | did you get any questions, either in the fishbowl session or during breaks, etc.? | 14:16 |
| zhurong | I try to ping pt_15 to attend this meeting, but without reply | 14:17 |
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| devkulkarni | oh okay | 14:18 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, I haven't heard from pt_15 in a while | 14:18 |
| devkulkarni | any other thoughts/impressions about the summit? | 14:18 |
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| zhurong | the most hottest is container and baremetal | 14:19 |
| zhurong | NFV | 14:19 |
| devkulkarni | I see.. were there several talks/sessions on these topics? | 14:20 |
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| zhurong | so many topic about those | 14:20 |
| devkulkarni | hope you were able to attend some of those sessions | 14:21 |
| zhurong | I need improve English listening | 14:22 |
| devkulkarni | hmmm.. you will as you keep attending such summits | 14:22 |
| devkulkarni | overall seems like you had a good summit | 14:22 |
| zhurong | yep, An unforgettable summit, and it is my first summit | 14:23 |
| devkulkarni | great to hear that :) . I sincerely hope you are able to attend many more | 14:24 |
| zhurong | hope so, and hope to meet you in next summit. :D | 14:24 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni | lets switch topics a bit and discuss about our preparedness for satisfying the ocata goal of removing incubated oslo code from solum repositories | 14:25 |
| devkulkarni | we have four repositories: solum, python-solumclient, solum-dashboard, and solum-infra-guestagent | 14:26 |
| devkulkarni | lets talk about each of them one by one. lets start with solum-infra-guestagent | 14:26 |
| devkulkarni | I don't know if you saw, but there was a mailing list thread about this repo recently | 14:26 |
| devkulkarni | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/106387.html | 14:27 |
| zhurong | I saw this | 14:27 |
| devkulkarni | let me give background about this repository.. | 14:27 |
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| devkulkarni | early in life of solum, there was a group of participants who wanted to investigate separating the building of app/lp from the main solum code.. their idea was that the solum-worker would send a notification to a build agent, which will build the DU.. this build agent would run separately from solum | 14:28 |
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| devkulkarni | but not much progress has been made in that direction after some initial work.. the folks who were interested in pursuing that direction are no longer active in solum | 14:29 |
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| zhurong | what a pity! | 14:30 |
| devkulkarni | I had been thinking of removing this repo from official list of solum repositories anyways as it affects our contributor list | 14:30 |
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| zhurong | agree with this | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: yeah.. I guess priorities change | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: good to know that you agree as well | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | caowei_: what are your thoughts? | 14:31 |
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| zhurong | maybe he out of compute | 14:33 |
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| devkulkarni | ah okay | 14:33 |
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| devkulkarni | but since you agree to this plan as well, I will propose a patch to project-config to remove this repo from official solum repo list | 14:34 |
| devkulkarni | make sense? | 14:34 |
| zhurong | yep | 14:35 |
| devkulkarni | cool. | 14:35 |
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| devkulkarni | #agreed we will remove solum-infra-guestagent repo from official list of solum repositories | 14:35 |
| devkulkarni | ok, now lets discuss other repositories | 14:35 |
| devkulkarni | and Zhu you will be able to update us on that as you have been leading the work on converting all of our repos | 14:36 |
| devkulkarni | floor is yours | 14:36 |
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| zhurong | solum and python-solum are finished | 14:37 |
| devkulkarni | awesome, that is good to know | 14:38 |
| devkulkarni | and solum-dashboard does not have any incubated oslo stuff, right? | 14:38 |
| zhurong | yep | 14:38 |
| devkulkarni | great | 14:38 |
| devkulkarni | so in the ocata goals acknowledgement patch I will mention all of this | 14:39 |
| zhurong | this job had done | 14:39 |
| devkulkarni | many thanks to you that we have been able to achieve this goal | 14:39 |
| zhurong | :D | 14:39 |
| devkulkarni | btw, if you look at the schedule https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 14:40 |
| devkulkarni | the deadline to complete this goal is Jan 23-37 | 14:40 |
| devkulkarni | s/37/27/ | 14:40 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 14:41 |
| devkulkarni | any other thoughts/comments on this topic? | 14:41 |
| zhurong | nop, we had finish this | 14:42 |
| devkulkarni | alright | 14:43 |
| devkulkarni | lets then discuss about some of the outstanding patches | 14:43 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: can you take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384065/ | 14:43 |
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| devkulkarni | and the change in this patch is already done in one of your patches, right? | 14:46 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387394/1 | 14:46 |
| zhurong | I think we can merge this | 14:46 |
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| devkulkarni | how about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390701/1 | 14:47 |
| devkulkarni | which one did you say we should merge? | 14:48 |
| zhurong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384065/ this one | 14:48 |
| zhurong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387394/1 this one is earlier then mine's, I didn't saw this | 14:49 |
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| devkulkarni | can you add your comments/+2 to the devstack readme changes patch | 14:50 |
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| zhurong | OK | 14:50 |
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| devkulkarni | also, please add your comments to the coveragerc change patch | 14:52 |
| devkulkarni | I think it is not needed as your patch addressed that issue | 14:52 |
| zhurong | done, i leave the -1 with other comment about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384065/ | 14:52 |
| zhurong | yep, sorry for merge my fisrt | 14:53 |
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| devkulkarni | cool, saw your comments, make sense | 14:53 |
| devkulkarni | for the coveragerc patch, you can put link to your patch in the review comment and mention that it covered the change being proposed | 14:54 |
| zhurong | done | 14:55 |
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| devkulkarni | saw your comment | 14:56 |
| devkulkarni | looks good | 14:56 |
| devkulkarni | cool, so those were some of the outstanding patches that I wanted to discuss | 14:56 |
| zhurong | about the py35, I think we should make this later | 14:57 |
| devkulkarni | sure, we can hold off on it for a bit | 14:57 |
| zhurong | we have some test failed in py35 test | 14:57 |
| devkulkarni | do you know which patch had those failing tests? | 14:58 |
| devkulkarni | btw, two minute warning | 14:58 |
| zhurong | http://logs.openstack.org/02/389502/2/check/gate-python-solumclient-python35-nv/836f43d/testr_results.html.gz | 14:58 |
| zhurong | we can discuss in solum channel | 14:59 |
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| devkulkarni | thanks for the link | 14:59 |
| devkulkarni | sure, lets discuss in solum channel | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni | its time | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 15:00:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-11-09-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-11-09-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-11-09-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Hi | 16:02 |
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| andreas_s | hola | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : hola senor | 16:03 |
| rkukura | might as well get started | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 16:03:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_November_9.2C_2016 | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Anything to add/remove? | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | I have no announcements - does anyone? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic Ocata Summit Retrospective | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | Nova's O-1 deadline is next week | 16:05 |
| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | I was not at the summit, but I think Sukhdev, andreas_s, and maybe others were | 16:06 |
| rkukura | who would liike to report? | 16:07 |
| andreas_s | so what I learned, is that there are plans to deprecated l2pop | 16:08 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: And replace it? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | And what is the motivation? | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | So, I was in the session when this discussion took place | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | the idea is that the information provided by l2poop is not available in port object | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | the idea is use the port object to get that information instead of using l2poop | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | did I articulate it correctly, andreas_s ? | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | opps - I meant to say the information provided by l2pop IS available in port object | 16:11 |
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| andreas_s | so I got that they plan to make the relevant information available in the port object | 16:11 |
| andreas_s | Sukhdev, yes | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | So is this another step of moving concepts from ML2 (like segmentation) into the Neutron core? | 16:12 |
| andreas_s | kevinbenton is driving the l2pop deprecation effort - so If you need deeper insights, he is the right address ;) | 16:12 |
| rkukura | There must have been some discussion of why it needs to move from ML2 to core. Is this so monolithic plugins can use it? | 16:13 |
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| andreas_s | let me try to find the summary mail from the summit.. | 16:14 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: thanks | 16:14 |
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| andreas_s | not mentioned in the session summary | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | andreas_s : there was an etherpad | 16:16 |
| andreas_s | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-neutron-agents | 16:17 |
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| andreas_s | the etherpad contains some of the information. | 16:18 |
| andreas_s | just realized that this was part of the neutron agent session - there's not yet a summary for that one | 16:18 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:19 |
| rkukura | any other discussions that are relevant to ML2? | 16:19 |
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| andreas_s | the other thing was the reordering of the nova neutron communication during live migration | 16:20 |
| andreas_s | nova convinced us to rather provide a genric portbinding api, rather than a live migration specific api | 16:20 |
| rkukura | andreas_s: Is there any sort of proposal of what that API would look like? | 16:21 |
| andreas_s | the argument was, that neutron should not be live migration aware | 16:21 |
| andreas_s | yeah I updated the spec - this should come close to what was discussed at the summit | 16:21 |
| andreas_s | #link https://review.openstack.org/309416 | 16:21 |
| andreas_s | but it still needs some review if this matches the expectations | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | andreas_s: thanks! | 16:22 |
| andreas_s | in general - this new approarch raises a lot of questions, like how to deal with router bindings? | 16:23 |
| andreas_s | I dumped them all into the spec | 16:23 |
| rkukura | was there discussion around extensibility vs. versioning for this binding API? | 16:23 |
| andreas_s | rkukura, no | 16:23 |
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| andreas_s | at least I can't remember | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | Sounds like this spec review is the right place for this discussion | 16:25 |
| andreas_s | Other than that, the ovo work should go on | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | Were there any specific regarding OVO impact on ML2 driver APIs? | 16:25 |
| andreas_s | and contract db migrations are not allowed anymore | 16:25 |
| rkukura | Or on extension drivers? | 16:25 |
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| andreas_s | rkukura, no - I just saw some patches flying around, transforming some ML2 objects into ovos | 16:26 |
| rkukura | is that ban on db contractions temporary? | 16:26 |
| andreas_s | good question. If I understood ihar correctly, we want to try how it works out in Ocata | 16:27 |
| andreas_s | and if we come to a good solution - yes | 16:27 |
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| andreas_s | more details probably in the summary mail | 16:27 |
| andreas_s | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106684.html | 16:27 |
| rkukura | OK, lots of reading to catch up on | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Anything else from the summit regarding ML2? | 16:29 |
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| andreas_s | not that I'm aware of | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs/RFEs | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | I think we already covered port binding - anything more on that? | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | Or any other bugs/RFEs? | 16:32 |
| rkukura | guess not… | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | #topic driver API feature requests | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | Anything anyone wants to discuss here? | 16:33 |
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| andreas_s | no | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | Anything else to discuss? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | guess not | 16:35 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:35 |
| yamamoto | just wanted to say hi. no topic. | 16:35 |
| rkukura | hi yamamoto | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | are we done for today? | 16:36 |
| yamamoto | i guess so | 16:36 |
| rkukura | thanks for attending everyone! | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:36 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 16:36:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:36 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-11-09-16.03.html | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-11-09-16.03.txt | 16:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-11-09-16.03.log.html | 16:36 |
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| amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 18:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| amrith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Topics_for_Discussion | 18:00 |
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| songjian | o/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:00 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 18:00 |
| schang | o/ | 18:00 |
| trevormc | o/ | 18:00 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
| amrith | let's give folks a couple of minutes to come in | 18:01 |
| amrith | #topic Review status | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:01 | |
| amrith | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJxNaoR3VVNS1Cpiz7U--1zyJRZ6ybMxzJoayrjdduo/edit?usp=sharing | 18:01 |
| amrith | a slight up-tick in reviews but we still have a number of outstanding changes. | 18:02 |
| mvandijk | ./ | 18:02 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:02 |
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| amrith | I'm not so concerned about the new patches count; I know there were a lot of DNM's this past week | 18:02 |
| amrith | I had almost a dozen myself | 18:02 |
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| aliadil | o/ | 18:03 |
| amrith | and a couple of others had these as well. so I'm not so concerned about the third graph. Still insufficient reviews to keep up with the pace of patches that we have, however. | 18:03 |
| amrith | We did have some issues during the week. such as the busted gate. and that may have contributed to some of this | 18:03 |
| amrith | but now that the gate is fixed. I hope we can start to pick up the momentum | 18:03 |
| amrith | Next week will be the Ocata-1 milestone | 18:04 |
| amrith | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 18:04 |
| amrith | That is week R-14. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | +1 hope we pick up review velocity now that the hate is fixed. | 18:04 |
| amrith | And the week after that (R-13, Nov 21-25) is the deadline for trove specs | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | s/hate/gate | 18:04 |
| amrith | so let's start looking at specs as a priority in the coming week. | 18:05 |
| amrith | thx SlickNik; yes. must do that | 18:05 |
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| amrith | any other thoughts ... | 18:06 |
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| amrith | #topic Merge these changes as a priority | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Merge these changes as a priority (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:07 | |
| amrith | so in the agenda there is a list of (7) reviews that are still awaiting reviews and merge. | 18:08 |
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| amrith | now that the gate is fixed, let's take a minute to go over them | 18:08 |
| amrith | with respect to #7 there are some questions in the review about whether the approach is appropriate or not. | 18:08 |
| amrith | In addition, here is a list of specs that should be reviewed; 388100 | 18:09 |
| amrith | , 391871 | 18:09 |
| amrith | , 392990, | 18:09 |
| amrith | 392991, | 18:09 |
| amrith | 392989, and | 18:09 |
| amrith | 389760 | 18:09 |
| amrith | trevormc submitted 391871Spec for openstack client support | 18:10 |
| amrith | pmalik_, has three Implement couchbase cluster provisioning | 18:10 |
| amrith | , Datastore-specific API controllers | 18:10 |
| amrith | , and Add support for Oslo Policies to Trove | 18:10 |
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| amrith | mvandijk proposed Security group improvements | 18:10 |
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| mvandijk | thats a WIP | 18:10 |
| amrith | oh, ok | 18:10 |
| amrith | not for now mvandijk ? | 18:11 |
| mvandijk | as in, I want feedback | 18:11 |
| mvandijk | but I don't expect it to merge any time soon | 18:11 |
| amrith | so, for ocata? | 18:11 |
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| mvandijk | no push it back | 18:11 |
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| amrith | OK, done | 18:11 |
| amrith | so, the ones I said minus mvandijk :) | 18:12 |
| amrith | they've been starred and show up on the dashboard. | 18:12 |
| amrith | please take some time to review these and post comments | 18:12 |
| amrith | again, please remember that without timely reviews we'll all get stuck with a crunch at the end. | 18:12 |
| amrith | any question, comments, suggestions? | 18:13 |
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| amrith | #topic Abandon old reviews | 18:13 |
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| amrith | let me pass the baton over to SlickNik who took this action item last week. | 18:14 |
| amrith | SlickNik, ... | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | So — last week I put a message in the reviews we were considering for abandonment. | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | "Hello there! This patch has been stagnant for a while, and has been identified as a candidate for abandonment. It was discussed at the weekly Trove meeting on 11/2 during a review clean-up. If there is no update to this patch (even a comment with some thing like "This is still work in progress" counts as an update) this patch will likely be abandoned during the next Trove meeting on 11/9. As the patch author, you will still | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | very friendly! | 18:15 |
| amrith | he's from washington | 18:15 |
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| amrith | if he was from NY, it'd have been "hey bozo, this one's been dead for a while, clean it up or I'm going to flush it" | 18:16 |
| johnma | :) | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | I got a couple of replies. After the meeting, I plan to go ahead and abandon all of the reviews that don't have a reply or the reviewer hasn't reached out to me in some way. | 18:16 |
| amrith | +1 | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:17 |
| amrith | anything further on these reviews ... anybody ... | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to abandon reviews that we were considering for abandonment that still don't have updates | 18:18 |
| amrith | thanks SlickNik | 18:18 |
| amrith | and hearing no further comments | 18:18 |
| amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:18 |
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| songjian | Hi all, both please see that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391732/, Morgan say that need a spec, for this comment is right? If we need I should hurry up maybe... | 18:19 |
| amrith | songjian, I think the issue is whether we really need a trove flavor-list command. | 18:20 |
| amrith | and rather than adding one column at a time, figure out what exactly the value of a trove flavor-list command is | 18:20 |
| amrith | and provide the information that people would like to see in that output. | 18:20 |
| amrith | and if we have flavor-list, should we have flavor-add? -delete? -update? | 18:21 |
| amrith | at least, that's what I took vgnbkr's comment to mean | 18:21 |
| peterstac | right - with the upcoming switch to support for trove in the openstack client, it might make sense to drop it altogether | 18:21 |
| amrith | and that makes sense. | 18:21 |
| amrith | trevormc ^^ | 18:21 |
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| trevormc | yeah that's the approach my spec is taking now | 18:21 |
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| amrith | does anyone know of other projects than nova that have a flavor-list command? | 18:22 |
| vgnbkr | Does any project other than Sahara create instances? | 18:22 |
| amrith | yes, several have service vm's. octavia, manila. | 18:23 |
| amrith | but I was also thinking of things like the container projects | 18:23 |
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| amrith | that have a need to define flavors (maybe)? | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | Not that I know of. | 18:24 |
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| amrith | quick scan says no one else has such a command | 18:24 |
| trevormc | neutron flavor-list | 18:24 |
| amrith | so maybe just leave the existing command as is, make no more changes, and not have one in the openstack command? | 18:25 |
| amrith | good point, did not think to look at neutron | 18:25 |
| amrith | but hasn't neutron moved to openstack cli | 18:25 |
| trevormc | yes they deprecated their cli | 18:25 |
| amrith | well | 18:25 |
| trevormc | at least the patch is in review right now | 18:26 |
| amrith | ok, what does netron flavor-list do? | 18:26 |
| trevormc | i haven't used it but the description says "List Neutron service flavors" | 18:26 |
| amrith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FlavorFramework | 18:26 |
| amrith | so this is something different; it isn't compute flavors, the way we regard them. | 18:26 |
| trevormc | right... my mistake :( | 18:27 |
| amrith | what say johnma SlickNik peterstac | 18:27 |
| vgnbkr | Plus, that's more like our association of flavours to datastores. | 18:27 |
| vgnbkr | My understanding is that the original purpose of trove flavours was to know out fields - at the point we put almost all of them back in, what's the point? | 18:28 |
| vgnbkr | s/know/knock/ | 18:28 |
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| peterstac | I don't see the need to keep enhancing the command at this point ... | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Well, so the original reason flavor list was necessary was dependent on the model of trove deployment. | 18:29 |
| amrith | OK, is there any interest in a notion of a Trove flavor scheme that is a layer of indirection to nova's flavors? | 18:29 |
| vgnbkr | SlickNik, I'm not sure what you just said. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | If you deployed Trove on a completely different Nova environment that was blocked off, and users couldn't get to — you needed to expose the flavors somehow through the Trove API. | 18:30 |
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| amrith | velly good point | 18:30 |
| amrith | and if I took that idea further, with a private cinder, some cinder commands too. | 18:30 |
| amrith | and swift, ... | 18:31 |
| amrith | etc., | 18:31 |
| vgnbkr | What does "blocked off" mean? | 18:31 |
| amrith | vgnbkr, this is the privte nova | 18:31 |
| amrith | for trove | 18:31 |
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| amrith | like an independent nova; not the compute endpoint from the keystone service catalog | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: No API access to Nova. | 18:31 |
| amrith | but one that is private to trove | 18:31 |
| amrith | so you can't run nova list and see your nova instances | 18:31 |
| amrith | see your trove instances | 18:32 |
| vgnbkr | How would the user not have access to Nova? Is this the single tenant thing? | 18:32 |
| amrith | one of the many "prevent users from taking emergency snapshot of vm ..." | 18:32 |
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| amrith | the endpoint would be on a walled off network | 18:32 |
| amrith | the trove controller could get to it | 18:32 |
| amrith | but the human requesting things of trove cannot | 18:32 |
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| vgnbkr | So you would have a completely different set of compute nodes for Trove instances? | 18:34 |
| amrith | yes | 18:35 |
| vgnbkr | Wow. $$$$ | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: different from what? If you had a different exposed Nova for your cloud, yes — you could potentially configure it to have a different set of flavors from the ones that trove exposes. | 18:36 |
| vgnbkr | Different from the set of compute nodes that would host the web servers that access the database, for example. | 18:37 |
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| amrith | and I believe that SlickNik is intimately familiar with a cloud that used to deploy in this way | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | Yeah, both the RAX and HPE public DBaaS services used to be deployed this way. | 18:38 |
| amrith | ok, so back to the question ... sounds like having flavor-list makes sense for these users. now the question is this, what columns should we show? | 18:40 |
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| vgnbkr | I thought the original set made sense, though I am working on a spec that would make disk and ephemeral relevant. | 18:42 |
| vgnbkr | I don't know that swap makes sense - why would you use swap? | 18:43 |
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| amrith | so maybe a spec as you suggested originally? | 18:44 |
| vgnbkr | amrith, Yes, my suggestion in the changeset was because I didn't see how exposing swap made sense in a cloud environment. | 18:45 |
| vgnbkr | Maybe it does - if someone thinks so, let's have a discussion. | 18:45 |
| amrith | any other suggestions on this question? | 18:45 |
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| songjian | Need to read carefully... | 18:47 |
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| amrith | #agreed have a spec for whether we want flavor-list command, and by extension flavor-*, and what to show/expose | 18:48 |
| amrith | ok, any other topics for open discussion | 18:48 |
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| SlickNik | nope — that's all I had | 18:49 |
| amrith | going once ... | 18:50 |
| amrith | going once | 18:50 |
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| trevormc | do we want a hacking rule for i18n? | 18:51 |
| amrith | trevormc, please say more | 18:51 |
| trevormc | It makes sense now with added changes in shell's troveclient. | 18:51 |
| peterstac | is there one? | 18:51 |
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| trevormc | I don't know if we should be asking people to add i18n in reviews if there isn't a hacking rule in the project. | 18:52 |
| vgnbkr | Now that the help strings in troveclient are i8n, there should be a rule for it. | 18:52 |
| trevormc | neutron_lib has a set of hacking rules for i18n, is that something we should import or reimplement? | 18:53 |
| amrith | anyone else have thoughts on this? | 18:54 |
| songjian | agree,maybe we need a rule to clear that | 18:54 |
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| vgnbkr | If someone has time they could look into it. May not be worth spending weeks on, but if it's easy ... | 18:54 |
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| amrith | sounds reasonable to me. what's the next step? a change, a spec, an etherpad? | 18:55 |
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| vgnbkr | If it's just a matter of taking something that neutron is already doing, I wouldn't think a spec necessary. We already know we want to i8n stuff. | 18:57 |
| amrith | trevormc, sound good to you? submit a patch with the proposed changes? | 18:57 |
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| trevormc | amrith, yep sounds good | 18:58 |
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| amrith | #action [trevormc] submit changes with new i18n hacking rule | 18:59 |
| amrith | anything else | 18:59 |
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| amrith | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 19:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-11-09-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-11-09-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-11-09-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | thanks amrith! | 19:02 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 20:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 20:00 |
| johnsom | Let's see how many people have their calendar set to UTC for this meeting..... | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | Ha, maybe not many..... | 20:01 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| johnsom | We had the summit two weeks ago. | 20:01 |
| johnsom | Good discussions with barbican team, keystone, oslo, trove | 20:02 |
| blogan | o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | I sent out a little summary to the mailing list about the design session. | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106911.html | 20:03 |
| johnsom | Hey blogan. I think the others might not have set their calendar to update for the DST... | 20:03 |
| blogan | lol prob not | 20:03 |
| blogan | i missed a few meetings due to it | 20:03 |
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| johnsom | Anyway, the plan continues for the merge work. | 20:04 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:04 | |
| johnsom | I am mostly digging out from travelling for two weeks. | 20:04 |
| johnsom | There is an OpenStack Ansible spec out for review that I still need to look at | 20:04 |
| m-greene | Hi johnsom: I’m watching, trying to get a feel for how the meeting is run (first time attendee) | 20:05 |
| blogan | m-greene: welcome! this isn't a good example, time change tends to throw everyone off :) | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Hi Matt! Welcome. I think it's going to be a quick quiet one as most folks aren't here. I'm guessing DST issues. | 20:06 |
| johnsom | FYI, there is an agenda here: | 20:06 |
| blogan | that and the election :) | 20:06 |
| johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Could be | 20:06 |
| blogan | building their bunkers | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Next up for me is going over the keystone patches as those are blocking some of the other patches from merging. | 20:07 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364655/ | 20:07 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265065/ | 20:07 |
| m-greene | there was an election?!? :) | 20:07 |
| johnsom | So if you have some time, please help review these merge patches | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I left my phone on do-not-disturb today. Way to many notifications.... | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | Any other progress reports? | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:09 | |
| johnsom | Ok, moving on then... | 20:09 |
| johnsom | I should also mention that the PTG registration is open: | 20:09 |
| johnsom | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 20:09 |
| johnsom | I'm not sure who all from LBaaS is planning to go. | 20:10 |
| m-greene | I caught this message in openstack-lbaas earlier today: Evgeny Fedoruk proposed openstack/octavia: Spec detailing Octavia service flavors support https://review.openstack.org/392485 | 20:10 |
| johnsom | Yes, he posted a spec today. | 20:10 |
| m-greene | Is this a topic for offline discussion, back in the lbaas channel? | 20:10 |
| johnsom | I'm not sure if you folks talked at the summit or not. | 20:11 |
| johnsom | No, it's open discussion, we can cover whatever folks want to talk about. | 20:11 |
| m-greene | No. You or Doug mentioned someone might be working on completing the flavors work. Looks like the answer is yes | 20:11 |
| johnsom | I have not yet had a chance to look at the spec. | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | Yes, I think Evgeny, Kobi, and yourself are interested in working on the flavor framework | 20:12 |
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| johnsom | Please review that spec and leave comments. | 20:13 |
| m-greene | ok… great. | 20:13 |
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| johnsom | Once that spec is merged, maybe you all can split up the work to implement it. | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Any other items for discussion today? | 20:14 |
| m-greene | None from me | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Ha, ok. Now in about an hour, there will be a flood of people in the lbaas channel saying they missed the meeting.... | 20:15 |
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| johnsom | Thanks folks | 20:16 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 20:16:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-11-09-20.00.html | 20:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-11-09-20.00.txt | 20:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-11-09-20.00.log.html | 20:16 |
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