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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 13:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:01 |
| moshele | hi | 13:01 |
| edand | hi | 13:01 |
| noama | hi | 13:02 |
| lennyb | hi | 13:02 |
| moshele | noama: you scared all the people :) | 13:03 |
| noama | i wanted to see your commitment | 13:04 |
| moshele | so only mellanox guys are here ... | 13:04 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 13:04 |
| moshele | pkoniszewski: hi | 13:05 |
| moshele | so let get started | 13:05 |
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| moshele | #topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:05 | |
| moshele | lennyb: can you update on the SR-IOV multi-node job | 13:06 |
| lennyb | we are currently facinf MultiNode cold migration failure due to Timed out waiting for 172.24.4.11 to become reachable | 13:06 |
| lennyb | I am investigationg this | 13:06 |
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| moshele | lennyb: ok | 13:07 |
| moshele | #topic for Subteam Review | 13:07 |
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| moshele | so most of the leftover patches for the pci cold migration are now merged | 13:08 |
| moshele | pkoniszewski: are still working on the live migration patches ? | 13:08 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah, there are still some concerns from WindRiver folks, trying to address them | 13:09 |
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| moshele | pkoniszewski: did you tried it with macvtap port? | 13:09 |
| pkoniszewski | not yet, there is whole chain set and i'm trying to do it one by one, as complexity of those changes is very high | 13:10 |
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| moshele | pkoniszewski: yes I know, one I will have some free time I plan to take all the patches and see if it works | 13:11 |
| pkoniszewski | atm still stuck on solving race in resource tracker, however i should be able to test this in a week or two | 13:12 |
| moshele | ok got it | 13:12 |
| moshele | #topic Specs for Review | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs for Review (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:13 | |
| moshele | the list of SR-IOV spec is in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda Line 48 | 13:14 |
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| moshele | I am working on the User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182242/ | 13:14 |
| moshele | I need jaypipes to review it ^ | 13:14 |
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| moshele | does anyone have other SR-IOV specs which are not on the list? | 13:16 |
| moshele | guess not, any other issue we need to talk about? | 13:17 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 13:18:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-11-08-13.01.html | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-11-08-13.01.txt | 13:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-11-08-13.01.log.html | 13:18 |
| moshele | thanks everyone | 13:18 |
| edand | bb | 13:18 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 14:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| d0ugal | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| shardy | hey all, who's around? | 14:00 |
| skramaja | hello | 14:00 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
| shadower | hey | 14:00 |
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| shardy | Please add any one-off items to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:00 |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:00 |
| d0ugal | Hi! | 14:01 |
| bnemec | o/ | 14:01 |
| marios | \o | 14:01 |
| trown | o/ | 14:01 |
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| arxcruz | o/ | 14:01 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jpich | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:01 |
| shardy | * bugs | 14:01 |
| shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:01 |
| shardy | * CI | 14:01 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | * Specs | 14:01 |
| shardy | * open discussion | 14:01 |
| ccamacho | hey!!! TripleOers! | 14:02 |
| bandini | o/ | 14:02 |
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| shardy | Ok then, hi all - lets get started! | 14:02 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 14:02 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| shardy | I don't see any one-off items except the one I added re Ocata-1, which we can cover in the project releases standing item | 14:03 |
| shardy | does anyone have anything to add before we get into the recurring items? | 14:03 |
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| shardy | Alright, could be a short meeting today then :) | 14:04 |
| fultonj | o/ | 14:04 |
| bandini | w00t | 14:04 |
| shardy | #info skipping one-off items as there aren't any | 14:04 |
| shardy | #topic bugs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:04 | |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 14:04 |
| shardy | So, it's been another bad week for CI impacting bugs, thanks to everyone for efforts resolving them | 14:05 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1638908 is still unresolved AFAIK | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1638908 in tripleo-quickstart "Overcloud deployment fails in minimal configuration with ('Connection aborted.', BadStatusLine("''",))" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Alfredo Moralejo (amoralej) | 14:05 |
| shardy | has anyone had any luck locally reproducing that? | 14:05 |
| shardy | I hit it once, but was then unable to reproduce | 14:05 |
| bandini | not me, plan to retry tonight though | 14:06 |
| shardy | there's a theory that increasing haproxy timeouts will help, but I'm not yet clear if that's the full story | 14:06 |
| trown | I have never been able to reproduce that one outside of CI | 14:06 |
| arxcruz | long time ago, in one of my tests I've seen this, and was because haproxy wasn't sending the proper headers | 14:07 |
| trown | ya it only happens with ssl, so haproxy timeouts could help | 14:07 |
| arxcruz | and as trown said, on ssl only | 14:07 |
| shardy | I hit it without ssl post'ing to swift locally, but that could have been a different issue which just caused the same low-level python cryptic error | 14:08 |
| trown | there is a bigger issue in that bug though (not CI impacting, but user impacting) in that the logging is pretty awful | 14:08 |
| shardy | yeah there's no swift logs at all, even with undercloud_debug = true | 14:09 |
| shardy | so we can probably fix that at least | 14:09 |
| shardy | Ok then, lets move on, but if anyone has any more clues please do update the bug, thanks! | 14:09 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1604927 is another critical issue we don't seem to have a handle on yet | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604927 in tripleo "Deployment times out due to nova-conductor never starting" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:10 |
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| shardy | bnemec: any further clues on that one? | 14:10 |
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| bnemec | shardy: I haven't actually seen that recently. We could probably close it for now. | 14:11 |
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| shardy | bnemec: ack, please do if you're happy it's gone, thanks! | 14:11 |
| shardy | Anyone else have bugs the want to highlight before we move on? | 14:12 |
| ccamacho | shardy me | 14:13 |
| ccamacho | related to HAproxy restarts on ControllerPrePuppet and ControllerPostPuppet | 14:13 |
| ccamacho | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1640175 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1640175 in tripleo "HAProxy doesn't load the new configuration never" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Carlos Camacho (ccamacho) | 14:13 |
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| ccamacho | just wanted to ask more info about if this can impact upgrades | 14:14 |
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| ccamacho | bandini for HA and marios for upgrades please when having some free cycles. | 14:14 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, these two are also CI impacting: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1639885 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1639970 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639885 in tripleo "CI: pingtest timeouts cause by performance issues (redis, swift, ceiliometer)" [High,Triaged] | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639970 in tripleo "CI: cinder fails to allocate memory while creating volume for ping test tenant" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:15 |
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| shardy | ccamacho: certainly looks like it may, can you please add more details to the bug then we can discuss further? | 14:15 |
| bandini | ccamacho: I am almost done with an escalation. happy to sync up in a bit? | 14:15 |
| ccamacho | shardy ack Ill add more details there | 14:16 |
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| ccamacho | thanks bandini! | 14:16 |
| marios | ccamacho: sorry, chasing BZ, reading back | 14:16 |
| shardy | Ok so bug #1639970 needs further investigation to see where/why we're using more memory | 14:17 |
| openstack | bug 1639970 in tripleo "CI: cinder fails to allocate memory while creating volume for ping test tenant" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639970 | 14:17 |
| shardy | do we know if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394548/ fixes bug 1639885 or if further work is needed? | 14:17 |
| openstack | bug 1639885 in tripleo "CI: pingtest timeouts cause by performance issues (redis, swift, ceiliometer)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639885 | 14:17 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, no, it doesn't fix it | 14:18 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, the performance issue is still there | 14:18 |
| marios | ccamacho: ok i guess you will add more info there ? seems very new do we have a BZ for that (we can take it offline after the meeting too). Haven't heard of someone hitting that yet but we should find out more (I mean for upgrades) | 14:18 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: Ok, can you please add more details, as "various performance issues" isn't that actionable | 14:18 |
| shardy | thanks :) | 14:18 |
| ccamacho | marios ack, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1390962 | 14:19 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1390962 in rhel-osp-director "HAProxy doesn't load the new configuration after scaling out the role running the Openstack API services" [Urgent,Assigned] - Assigned to ccamacho | 14:19 |
| marios | ccamacho: ty | 14:19 |
| shardy | launchpad bugs here please ;) | 14:19 |
| ccamacho | shardy upps | 14:19 |
| shardy | Ok then, any further bugs or shall we continue? | 14:19 |
| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:20 |
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| marios | shardy: sorry my fault i asked for that. we do always link to LP from the BZ though where appropriate | 14:20 |
| shardy | Ok, two things to discuss here, slagle is planning a stable/newton release tomorrow | 14:20 |
| shardy | and we need to release ocata-1 next week (I'm happy to coordinate that unless anyone else wants to) | 14:21 |
| shardy | slagle: what's the status of the newton release, are we in good shape for tomorrow? | 14:21 |
| shardy | any outstanding backports need review attention? | 14:21 |
| bandini | I'd like to add this one (only to newton, not to master) https://review.openstack.org/394980 | 14:21 |
| bandini | slagle, marios: ^ | 14:21 |
| marios | bandini: thanks (for the galera issue looks like) | 14:22 |
| bandini | marios: totally not galera btw ;) | 14:22 |
| marios | shardy: this is another one that was filed moments ago https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394968/ which we'll need into newton | 14:22 |
| shardy | marios: ack | 14:23 |
| marios | bandini: k :D well the symptom was galera at least | 14:23 |
| marios | bandini: will check the review thanks | 14:23 |
| jpich | This one as well, a missed parameter in the generated passwords: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394493/ | 14:23 |
| bandini | marios: np ;) | 14:24 |
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| marios | shardy: another one here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389830/ | 14:25 |
| slagle | shardy: everything for newton won't be merged by tomorrow | 14:25 |
| slagle | we can always do another release though | 14:25 |
| shardy | slagle: Yeah, I'm assuming we may need to do another one | 14:25 |
| shardy | but we can try to push any passing CI patches in during the rest of today I guess | 14:25 |
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| trown | ya releases are fairly inexpensive | 14:25 |
| slagle | yea so i'll request the release of what we've got tomorrow | 14:26 |
| shardy | Ok then sounds like the newton release is under control, thanks! | 14:26 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-1 | 14:26 |
| shardy | 168 bugs targeted :-O | 14:26 |
| shardy | I'm going to start deferring all bugs later this week to ocata-2 unless they're assigned and high/critical priority | 14:27 |
| shardy | we'll aim to cut the ocata-1 release next week (shall we say Wednesday again?) | 14:27 |
| trown | wednesday seems good | 14:28 |
| jpich | sounds reasonable | 14:28 |
| shardy | jpich: what's the status of the tripleo-ui CI job? | 14:28 |
| shardy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/tripleo-ui-basic-ci-check | 14:28 |
| jpich | shardy: Last patch is ready for review | 14:28 |
| jpich | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390845/ | 14:28 |
| shardy | Ok, thanks, lets see if we can get that solitary blueprint landed this week then ;) | 14:28 |
| jpich | :) | 14:28 |
| shardy | Should we use a gerrit topic again to help focus reviews? | 14:29 |
| shardy | e.g if folks have release blocker bugs, and they're targetted to ocata-1, tag the patches with tripleo/ocata1 ? | 14:29 |
| shardy | I found that helpful in the run-up to the newton release | 14:29 |
| trown | +1 that is really helpful | 14:29 |
| shardy | should probably be tripleo/ocata-1 | 14:30 |
| shardy | for consistency | 14:30 |
| shardy | Ok then, well lets do that, but FWIW I'll probably prefer deferring things to ocata-2 wherever possible given the huge number of outstanding bugs | 14:31 |
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| shardy | Feel free to help by deferring bugs to ocata-2 if you think they can wait | 14:32 |
| trown | I have been filing new bugs targeted at ocata-2 already | 14:32 |
| shardy | Anything else related to releases before we continue? | 14:32 |
| shardy | ++ yeah please don't target any new bugs to ocata-1 unless they're super critical | 14:33 |
| shardy | I'll only write a script that defers them ;) | 14:33 |
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| shardy | #topic CI | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:34 | |
| shardy | Ok who wants to give an update of the current status of CI? | 14:34 |
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| shardy | I know things are looking a log more green now, and we've talked about a few remaining CI impacting bugs | 14:35 |
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| shardy | I'm interested to discuss how we can more effectively triage/assign CI related issues | 14:35 |
| slagle | stop all other work | 14:36 |
| d0ugal | :) | 14:36 |
| bandini | I personally would love if we could dedicate a deep dive to CI. I try to help but I am often a little confused by the whole CI topic ;) | 14:36 |
| shardy | slagle: so, that's one option - but is it efficient to have *everyone* stop to look at the same issue | 14:36 |
| shardy | sometimes there are multiple issues, and often there are critical bugs which sit unassigned | 14:37 |
| bandini | especially regarding the flow of fixes into rdo when the issue is not tht/tripleo specific | 14:37 |
| slagle | shardy: yea, i think it is more efficient | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | I personally think that as long as the CI is as complex as it is to debug, it's just waste of time to "everyone stop all other work" kind of approach | 14:38 |
| shardy | I think we need some way to avoid the same folks always fixing CI, but which doesn't result in a 50% efficiency hit on all development | 14:39 |
| shardy | CI regressions happen almost every day lately | 14:39 |
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| bandini | yeah | 14:39 |
| mwhahaha | we probably need to start going back and doing proper RCAs on blocking CI issues to see what happened | 14:40 |
| slagle | part of the problem is that the people who do work on CI are consumed with just the firedrills/reactions | 14:40 |
| mwhahaha | the big ones have been packaging issues that caused not complete failures | 14:40 |
| slagle | so there is little time left to work on things like documenting it for others or making it less complex | 14:40 |
| slagle | that's one of the ways that "stopping other work" would make us more efficient | 14:40 |
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| shardy | slagle: I agree, I'm just saying if 100% of the team are consumed by the same firedrills, that doesn't necesarily help | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | shardy: ++ | 14:41 |
| shardy | but it's defintely a problem we need to address | 14:41 |
| slagle | shardy: yea, not saying we need everyone looking at the same issue at the same time | 14:41 |
| slagle | just that if CI is down...and it's already being worked on, maybe take that as opportunity to look into how to avoid similar failures in the future | 14:42 |
| slagle | or improve something so that different people could help next time | 14:42 |
| slagle | or document the issue for a wider understanding, etc | 14:42 |
| shardy | slagle: cool, that was my initial interpretation of "stopping other work" - if we can figure out ways for more folks to help I'm 100% in favor of it of course | 14:42 |
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| shardy | Alright, perhaps we can continue this discussion on the ML as we'll run out of time here | 14:43 |
| shardy | #topic specs | 14:43 |
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| shardy | So Emilien was talking about observing a spec freeze starting next week | 14:44 |
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| slagle | just a follow up from last week, the major underclodu upgrades job is merged and non-voting now | 14:44 |
| slagle | sorry, done with ci now :) | 14:44 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | one thin tht would be super helpful to perhaps get into the level being able to help (either on the firedrills or preventatively) would be some kind of summary of what caused it, how it was found and how it was fixed | 14:44 |
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| shardy | We've got a bunch of open spec reviews, please help with reviews, and I think we should start landing things which look in good shape with at least a couple of +2s | 14:45 |
| shardy | slagle: good news :) | 14:45 |
| skramaja | i have added a BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/tuned-nfv-dpdk for DPDK performance, things are not clear, we are working with the performance team for it. but we dont want to miss the ocata cycle freeze. so raising a BP | 14:45 |
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| shadower | I've written a couple of validation-related specs that could use attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393281/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393775/ | 14:45 |
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| shadower | (they affect tripleo-common) | 14:45 |
| shardy | jokke_: yeah, I think that's what mwhahaha was suggesting with the RCA comment, in theory that info should be in the bug report, but often it isn't | 14:46 |
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| shardy | #action everyone to review all-the-specs ahead of proposed spec freeze | 14:46 |
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| skramaja | shardy: we will have more clarity in the coming week. | 14:47 |
| fultonj | review all-the-specs++ | 14:47 |
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| shardy | Ok lets try to land as much as possible then re-assess in next weeks meeting | 14:47 |
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| shardy | thanks all | 14:47 |
| shardy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:47 |
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| shardy | 12 minutes to discuss other things (or continue to debate CI if you wish ;) | 14:48 |
| mwhahaha | I wanted to mention about bugs. it would be helpful if you spot something wrong, create a bug. you don't have to fix it but it allows other people a chance to work on something and possibly know there's an issue | 14:48 |
| jpich | +1 | 14:48 |
| mwhahaha | i've noticed many times people will create a bug right before proposing a patch | 14:48 |
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| jpich | if at all :) | 14:48 |
| shardy | +1 that should already be happening in theory but a good reminder mwhahaha thanks | 14:49 |
| mwhahaha | just a friendly reminder :) | 14:49 |
| shardy | :) | 14:49 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything else to raise? | 14:49 |
| bnemec | Example: I opened an ipv6 bug yesterday and beagles fixed it before I could. :-) | 14:49 |
| shadower | I'd like to point that there's a bunch of open validation bugs free to take :-) | 14:49 |
| bandini | mwhahaha: +1 | 14:50 |
| shardy | Ok, waiting 1 minute before declaring meeting complete, anything else before we wrap things up? | 14:52 |
| shardy | thanks all! | 14:53 |
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| shardy | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 14:53:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-11-08-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-11-08-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-11-08-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
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| ccamacho | thanks! | 14:54 |
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| tmorin | hi doude, matrohon, pcarver, timirnich, eon`, bfernando | 15:10 |
| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 15:10:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:10 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:10 |
| timirnich | hi folks | 15:10 |
| pcarver | tmorin: Hi, was starting to wonder if we had a DST glitch | 15:10 |
| bobmel | tmorin: Hi | 15:11 |
| tmorin | pcarver: it would have been a possibility, but I'm just late :) | 15:11 |
| tmorin | hi bobmel! | 15:11 |
| doude | hi | 15:11 |
| bfernando | hello | 15:11 |
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| tmorin | let's start... ? | 15:12 |
| tmorin | #topic what hapenned since barcelona... | 15:12 |
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| tmorin | essentially work on two fronts: work on the OSC by doude, and various openstack CI config tweaks | 15:13 |
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| bobmel | tmorin: I started work on scenario test | 15:14 |
| tmorin | ah yes, this is another item! | 15:14 |
| bobmel | tmorin: Then I was a bit decked out by a Barcelona bug | 15:15 |
| bobmel | so less progress than I had hoped | 15:15 |
| tmorin | we also merged a minor trivial fix and a contrail driver bugfix (which needs to be backported) | 15:15 |
| tmorin | bobmel: it's good that its started, don't hesitate to push an unfinished change if you want feedback | 15:16 |
| bobmel | tmorin: Yes I plan to push a WIP patch soon | 15:16 |
| tmorin | bobmel: very cool ! | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | one last thing: I'm pushing a fix so that the job automatically adjusting the *requirements.txt files, works | 15:17 |
| tmorin | see https://review.openstack.org/394936 | 15:17 |
| tmorin | let's discuss the stadium scorecard... | 15:17 |
| tmorin | #topic meeting neutron stadium requirements | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | the draft for the assessment for networking-bgpvpn is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383906/ | 15:18 |
| tmorin | nice HTML at http://docs-draft.openstack.org/06/383906/9/check/gate-neutron-specs-docs-ubuntu-xenial/d125a41//doc/build/html/specs/stadium/ocata/networking-bgpvpn.html | 15:18 |
| tmorin | I'd say we are doing quite good | 15:18 |
| tmorin | many things marked as work in progress are soon to be finalized | 15:19 |
| tmorin | the assessment conclusion currently is: There are some gaps that need attention most notably API documentation, client mappings and functional/scenario testing. | 15:19 |
| pcarver | tmorin: I've been following that, but one thing I'm not clear on is what's the pass/fail criteria? | 15:19 |
| tmorin | and the three have WIP items | 15:19 |
| pcarver | Do we need "Y" on 100% of the items? | 15:19 |
| tmorin | I don't know, I think this will be up to the Neutron PTL | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | I would think, from my discussion with him, that if we are advancing on the areas where we were lacking, we should be fine | 15:22 |
| tmorin | and we are | 15:22 |
| tmorin | the work on OSC is mostly landed (doude) | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | the work on API doc also (pcarver) | 15:22 |
| tmorin | and the work on scenario testing is started and we should have a pointer as a "proof" some times soon (bobmel) | 15:23 |
| tmorin | so I'm optimistic | 15:23 |
| tmorin | what's our next topic ? | 15:25 |
| matrohon | bobmel did you notice this WIP : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386418/6 | 15:25 |
| tmorin | ^ proposal for rally testing of the API | 15:26 |
| bobmel | matrohon: Oh, no I wasn't aware of it | 15:26 |
| tmorin | matrohon: not directly related to tempest scenario testing is it ? | 15:26 |
| matrohon | bobmel, tmorin : not sure, i'm not a specialist of testing framework | 15:27 |
| matrohon | but both are performng scenario tests | 15:27 |
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| matrohon | AFAIU tempest is functional test, while rally is stress test | 15:27 |
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| bobmel | tmorin: matrohon: Yes but Rally uses tempest afaik. | 15:28 |
| matrohon | bobmel, ha, was not aware of that | 15:28 |
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| tmorin | matrohon, bobmel: my understanding ate least is that rally tests do not replace tempest scenario testing | 15:29 |
| bobmel | matrohon: well, I thought so. "knowing" too strong a word | 15:29 |
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| bobmel | tmorin: No I don't think so either. But I thought Rally made use of tempest collateral | 15:30 |
| matrohon | well, the patch submitted in rally doesn't use what already exist in tempest for bgpvpn | 15:30 |
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| matrohon | but it would be a great idea for it to use tempest client | 15:31 |
| bobmel | Anyway, I can look into that patch. | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | ok | 15:31 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:31 |
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| tmorin | #topic problems with networking-bgpvpn gate | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | our gate has had problems in the past 10-15 days | 15:32 |
| tmorin | I've started investigating with infra folks | 15:32 |
| matrohon | bobmel, ok, it was just a remark to let you know this work exists, I didn't want to unmotivate you :) | 15:32 |
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| bobmel | matrohon: No worries :-) | 15:32 |
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| tmorin | the job seems to crash systematically on one of the VM provider | 15:32 |
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| matrohon | tmorin, I've tried to follow your debug session, it relates to ipv6 test VM? | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | it ends up working after a few attempts, because it ends up being scheduled on a provider on which the crash does not occur | 15:33 |
| tmorin | matrohon: the provider on which the problems appears happens to be a provider only giving v6 access to the VMs | 15:33 |
| tmorin | matrohon: but it does not mean the problem is v6 related | 15:33 |
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| tmorin | tmorin: anyway, it was just to keep everyone posted, I'm sure will find out what is the problem... | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:38 |
| tmorin | #topic status on drivers - bagpipe | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | just a quick word on bagpipe | 15:38 |
| tmorin | the stadium assessment for bagpipe is in progress as well | 15:38 |
| tmorin | we have clarified the area that need work with the PTL | 15:39 |
| tmorin | like for networking-bgpvpn, many items are in progress | 15:39 |
| bobmel | tmorin: Is it a both makes it or none? | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | bobmel: not as far as I know | 15:40 |
| tmorin | bobmel: what /might/ happen is that if the status of the non-BGPVPN-related portions of networking-bagpipe were not meeting stadium criteria, then the BGPVPN parts could be kept in networking-bgpvpn | 15:40 |
| tmorin | bobmel: but I'm optimistic we'll wrap up what is needed so that networking-bagpipe does meet the criteria | 15:41 |
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| bobmel | ok, I see. That's a good way to handle any gaps if need be | 15:41 |
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| tmorin | bobmel: yes, that would be a last resort, but it means its not a "both or none" perspective | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | #topic driver status -- contrail | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | doude ? | 15:43 |
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| doude | I'm just starting to work on a new version of the contrail driver | 15:44 |
| doude | a production ready one | 15:44 |
| tmorin | that include work on both sides right ? (contrail-side + bgpvpn driver on neutron's side) | 15:44 |
| doude | I started to work on a contrail patch to add the bgpvpn resource into the data model | 15:44 |
| doude | yes, principaly on the contrail side | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | ok, very nice to hear! | 15:45 |
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| doude | for the moment that new driver will have same limit as the PoC one | 15:45 |
| doude | we will see later to add router assoc and support l2 VPN | 15:45 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:46 |
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| tmorin | next topic... | 15:47 |
| tmorin | anything else to discuss ? | 15:47 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: anything else on OPNFV or ODL ? | 15:47 |
| tmorin | #topic open discussion | 15:48 |
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| timirnich | No I don't have anythign today | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: anything ? | 15:49 |
| matrohon | not for me | 15:49 |
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| tmorin | ok, we are done then... | 15:50 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone! | 15:50 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 15:51:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-11-08-15.10.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-11-08-15.10.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-11-08-15.10.log.html | 15:51 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 16:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-11-08_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| jvgrant__ | Jaycen Grant | 16:00 |
| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis 0/ | 16:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:00 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:01 |
| yatin_ | Yatin Karel 0/ | 16:01 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | hello strigazi jvgrant__ Drago and hongbin and yatin | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:03 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) We have an open proposal for new core reviewers: | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106889.html New Core Reviewers | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | so far it has shown unanimous consent | 16:04 |
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| stn2 | o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | I expect to conclude that vote this week | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hello stn2 | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) Reminder: we agreed that there will be no team meeting on 2016-11-22. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | I have this marked as none, but I'm going to check that to be sure (one moment) | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | 1) ACTION: adrian_otto to mark our agenda such that the 2016-11-22 meeting will be planned as cancelled. (Status: COMPLETE) | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:06 |
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| Drago | We have an essential blueprint | 16:06 |
| Drago | When will it be added to the agenda? | 16:06 |
| strigazi | Two | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | one sec | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | ok, there he is | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | 1) #link https://review.openstack.org/389835 Add cluster driver encapsulation spec (randallburt) | 16:07 |
| randallburt | sorry. internet problems | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: would you like to address this one? | 16:07 |
| randallburt | sure, so Hongbin has argued for a change in spec and more community input. So we're bringing it up here to get people's opinions largely focused around the StateSynchronizer | 16:08 |
| randallburt | hongbin: would you like to clarify? | 16:08 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: for this one, i would respectfully request you to remove your +2 first, since there is no consensus to merge this patch so far | 16:09 |
| stn2 | adrian_otto: hi | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | we don't need consensus for me to vote on a proposal | 16:09 |
| hongbin | ok | 16:09 |
| randallburt | hongbin: why? your -2 will prevent it being merged. Folks use the voting mechanism to express their opinions. | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | tht's what we are doing now, we are having a discussion | 16:09 |
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| hongbin | it is unnormally to vote a +2 without a consensus | 16:10 |
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| hongbin | that is my feeling | 16:10 |
| randallburt | hongbin: no it isn't | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | +A requires a clear intent from the stakeholders | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | +2 does not | 16:10 |
| hongbin | then, this argument is not going to end | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | wait a moment. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | I think we need to table this discussion, and revisit it after we have an intent to resolve the matter | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | but this is no way to open a community discussion about a new feature | 16:11 |
| randallburt | hongbin: yes it is. compromise goes both ways. What I suggest is that everyone here go to the spec and weigh in. Please let us know what you prefer and the majority opinion wins | 16:11 |
| hongbin | this needs a ML discussion, since obviously, there are not too much attendees in the meeting | 16:12 |
| randallburt | hongbin: fine. I'll also post to the ML asking for feedback. | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | Hongbin, with respect, take a moment | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I've read all the comments on the thread | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | you have a concern that we are trying to address | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | and you are here now | 16:13 |
| Drago | Meta-arguments aside, I would like the spec to provide a way to fully decouple Heat. I am less concerned about where exactly the line is drawn on the driver interface right now, since it will change over time as we get a better idea of how the driver interface should really look. | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | so let's explore the nature of the disagreement, and see if we can find a suitable way to address it | 16:13 |
| jvgrant__ | Drago +1 | 16:14 |
| swatson | Drago +1 | 16:14 |
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| hongbin | Drago: however, the interface is formally defined, and it is debatable. | 16:15 |
| jvgrant__ | i think both portions are important. Ton had a good point in the comments that though related to this spec the interface discussion is well beyond it | 16:15 |
| hongbin | I would say put whatever we agreed on this spec and proceed, remove what we disagreed on and discuss it in a separated spec | 16:15 |
| Drago | hongbin: It is, but it is defined by a spec, which can be superseded by further specs. If it were set in stone forever, I would not have the same opinion. | 16:16 |
| randallburt | I disagree, the interface is the meat of the spec and should be agreed upon. | 16:16 |
| hongbin | Drago: then, the interface should not include anything that is questionable | 16:16 |
| randallburt | Drago: exactly | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | so let's take a step back for a moment and cover some basics | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | is there any reason we should not produce a way for heat to be decoupled from drivers? | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | if not, can we express an agreement about the intent of this work? | 16:17 |
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| hongbin | what is the agreement? | 16:17 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: that we decouple heat from the drivers | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 16:18 |
| hongbin | ok, i agree | 16:18 |
| randallburt | regardless of details | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we agree on that. | 16:18 |
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| strigazi | +1 | 16:18 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: +1 for going through this point-by-point | 16:18 |
| jvgrant__ | +1 | 16:18 |
| Drago | +1 | 16:18 |
| swatson | +1 | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | next, I'd like us to spend a moment to think about how we approach change in our community | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | first I will share my own philosophy | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | and we can discuss it as a team | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | I think that Magnum should be iteratively improved over time in small increments with efforts to continually improve | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | this includes merging improvements that are only part of a larger effort | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | as leaders in our community, we need to provide clarity as to what our long term vision is for the project, and work to agree on what that vision is | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | and our team should keep that vision in mind as we work together to advance toward that vision | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | in general, I ask one question about every patch I review: | 16:21 |
| hongbin | that might apply to implementation, however, i am not sure about the spec. It is ok to put everything in the spec, although the implenetation can take place step by step | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | "Is this advancing us toward our vision, or is it setting us back?" | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | (pausing to respond about specs) | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | a spec is a way to articulate a plan | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | and we make them in order to improve the design of our contributions before they are implemented | 16:22 |
| hongbin | however, a spec has to be correct and get general consensus from community | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to see discussion on specs to be highly collaborative | 16:22 |
| jvgrant__ | hongbin: while i agree in general that specs should be closer to that end vision, they are iterative too. Even on this spec i'm not sure we can come up with a true goal interface when we probably don't completely understand what we need yet | 16:22 |
| randallburt | removing the intent kinda neuters the spec IMO, but I'll remove them if they are seen as a barrier. Its kicking cans though. | 16:22 |
| Drago | Specs are influenced by implementation and real-world experience | 16:23 |
| jvgrant__ | Drago: +1 | 16:23 |
| hongbin | jvgrant__: ok, i understand that. however, a spec should not have something that is questionable. that is my point | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: why should a spec be perfect? | 16:24 |
| randallburt | right. so I can remove the interface definitions from the spec, but we'll just be back here again when patches start landing | 16:24 |
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| stn2 | hongbin: but specs details the usecase, scenarios and implentation details. the specs might be discussed | 16:24 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: a spec might not be perfect, but should not have something that is *questionable* | 16:24 |
| jvgrant__ | hongbin: agreed, but that is when we need to discuss that point(which is being done) and find out if we have an answer. Ideally we find it, but if not it is ok to realize it will have to iterate in the future. | 16:24 |
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| stn2 | spec might not be a perfect one but it can be improved with various thoughts | 16:24 |
| randallburt | rather we come to consensus now rather than argue patches for more weeks. | 16:24 |
| randallburt | and consensus means "everyone can live with it" not "everyone loves it". | 16:25 |
| hongbin | jvgrant__: agree | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | so how about this... | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | the spec is essentially saying, let's take what we do now, and move it one step closer to being decoupled. | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | and hongbin, you are suggesting that the spec should detail an ideal implementation of a driver interface | 16:26 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: disagree, the spec define a driver interface which is brand new | 16:26 |
| randallburt | actually, this will decouple us. what it won't do is predict how the interface may be refined in the future | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | I think randallburt's intent is to mirror exactly what happens now as a first step | 16:26 |
| randallburt | hongbin: its not brand new. its almost completely empty classes and moving existing code around | 16:26 |
| hongbin | the spec is mirror a heat driver implementation into a generic interface, that is my opinion | 16:27 |
| randallburt | hongbin: its essentially formalizing what the Magnum code does right now today. | 16:27 |
| randallburt | hongbin: that's correct. | 16:27 |
| hongbin | then, it is againest to goal to decouple from heat? | 16:27 |
| randallburt | hongbin: but it encapsulates all the Heat-specific parts and gets things like stack calls out of Magnum and into the driver with minimal disruption or changes to tested code | 16:28 |
| hongbin | from the spec, what i saw is that the interface is not generic enough. it is biased to a certain implementation | 16:28 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: then you misunderstood the spec | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | on the subject of state synchronization, it mirrors how magnum currently works | 16:28 |
| randallburt | ^^ | 16:28 |
| hongbin | yes, it mirrors an implementation details | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and we may design a superior way to address state syncronization | 16:29 |
| randallburt | hongbin: generically | 16:29 |
| hongbin | which should not be formally defined in a interface | 16:29 |
| jvgrant__ | that is what i understood from the spec. It was keeping things the same, but now framing everything in a way that decouples heat. It seems like a good step. It does highlight the point that the driver interface needs some attention and i think that will happen as we get real implementations that don't use heat. As we get requirements the driver interface will improve. | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | but I'm not convinced we need to design that innovation as part of this initial effort | 16:29 |
| randallburt | jvgrant__: +1 | 16:29 |
| hongbin | maybe my question is why you have to put a poller to an interface. what are the benefis you get | 16:29 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: its not a poller | 16:29 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: its a class that the driver exposes that knows how to synchronize orchestration state with cluster state. Nothing is in the spec that dictates *how* the driver does that | 16:30 |
| hongbin | jvgrant__: well, but what are on the interface and what are not is a different story | 16:31 |
| randallburt | now Magnum may not handle that class in the most efficient way yet, but that's a refinement when real-world implementations of other drivers emerge | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: why is it important to you to try to solve the state synchronization challenge now? | 16:32 |
| hongbin | back to my question, why the statesynchronizer has to be formally defined in an interface? that is my whole point. | 16:32 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: because it currently makes sense and mimics the current logic and thereby reduces disruption | 16:32 |
| jvgrant__ | what is the alternative? Pushing that into each driver? | 16:32 |
| Drago | I think that we will be dissatisfied on whatever interface we come up with once its implemented, and have to iterate on it regardless. So, my vote is for the spec to outline a refactoring of the functionality that magnum already has and use the additional clarity to guide the better interface in the next spec. | 16:33 |
| swatson | Drago +1 | 16:33 |
| hongbin | my whole concern is if we puts something that is questionable in the interface (like state synchronizer), after everyone implements it, it is hard to remove later | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | the right first step is to include a minimum amount of methods in the interface | 16:33 |
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| adrian_otto | If we do what randallburt has proposed, the logic for how state is actually synchronized will be within Magnum. If we leave such a mechanism out of the driver interface, then it needs to be individually solved in each driver. | 16:33 |
| hongbin | then, adding something later if it turns out to be | 16:33 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: s/how/when | 16:34 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: what is the problem to let each drive to solve it individually | 16:34 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: I think you might mean, the driver cannot solve it if it's within Magnum | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | because we end up with a system with a higher level of complexity, and less consistent implementation overall. | 16:34 |
| randallburt | hongbin: the driver solves "how" to synchronize state. Magnum decides "when" | 16:34 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: in addition, putting the proposed spec didn't solve the problem, it just restrict it to be solved in a way | 16:35 |
| randallburt | hongbin: that's demonstrably untrue | 16:35 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: disagree, the implementation are the same, the different is whether to implement the interface or not | 16:35 |
| randallburt | hongbin: I think you're solving a different problem | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | Drago: yes, that's what I'm trying to convey. | 16:35 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: so to be clear, you'd rather not see a class or method that explicitly asks the driver to synchronize state and leave it up to the driver implementation to do that whenever and however it sees fit? | 16:36 |
| hongbin | until now, i don't see a valid rational to enforce everyone to solve the state synchronizing problem in the same interface | 16:37 |
| randallburt | hongbin: and if so, then by what mechanism can Magnum guarantee or ensure that the cluster state reflects reality? | 16:37 |
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| hongbin | this is up to the driver | 16:38 |
| randallburt | hongbin: because if we are to achieve our goal, then Magnum can have no special knowledge of the underlying orchestration mechanism. | 16:38 |
| randallburt | hongbin: so that leaves Magnum with no guarantee the state matches reality? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | I worry that leaving state syncronization totally up to the driver will lead to race conditions between Magnum and drivers. | 16:38 |
| randallburt | ^^ | 16:39 |
| hongbin | that is the goal i think: magnum should not assume any knowledge of the underlying orchestration system | 16:39 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: could you give an example? | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | Magnum needs a way to check that state is not in a change-in-progress time period. | 16:39 |
| randallburt | hongbin: and this spec does ensure that but it also requires drivers to implement orchestration-specific logic that allows magnum to request state synchronization | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | so if you allow magnum to tell the driver "sync state now" | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | and it has confidence that state is in sync after that action, then we address the risk of the race condition. | 16:40 |
| hongbin | what race condition in particular? | 16:40 |
| randallburt | exactly. Which I am sure is the rational behind the current implementation. Polling is immaterial | 16:40 |
| Drago | Is there any reason that poll_and_check cannot call a method provided by the driver? Because it sounds like the argument really comes down to the driver providing a class that has a poll_and_check method or a method that the current poll_and_check can call | 16:40 |
| randallburt | hongbin: Magnum trying to do something to a cluster when its doing something else | 16:41 |
| randallburt | hongbin: if you punt that to the driver, other drivers become a lot more complex out of the box | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | Example: prevent magnum from modifying a cluster that's in the process of being deleted. | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | or modifying a cluster that's already being modified in a conflicting way | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | leaving the result in an indeterminate state afterward | 16:42 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: why magnum need to modify a cluster that is in process state? | 16:42 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: is it a user to modify a cluster? | 16:42 |
| randallburt | hongbin: seriously? | 16:42 |
| hongbin | what magnum does is just execute what users are requesting | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | say you have two users on the same team who act on the same cluster | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | one does not know what the other has asked for | 16:43 |
| randallburt | hongbin: of course it does, but there are states in which Magnum will refuse to do so because the state of the cluster precludes it. | 16:43 |
| randallburt | hongbin: if Magnum doesn't have confidence in said state, then what's the point? | 16:44 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: ok, then how the state synchronizer can solve this problem? | 16:44 |
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| randallburt | hongbin: it makes sure that the cluster state matches the *real* state of the underlying orchestration | 16:44 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: and why the problem cannot be solved in an alternative way? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | think of it like calling sync() on a filesystem to commit changes to the disk | 16:45 |
| randallburt | hongbin: the synchronizer class only implements *how* to map orch state to cluster state. Magnum decides *when* it needs to ensure that matches. | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | I'm sure it can be solved ina variety of ways | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | let's use the current technique as the first one we try | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | and explore others when we have a reason to | 16:46 |
| swatson | adrian_otto +1 | 16:46 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: yes, i believe it can be solved in many ways as well. then why the state synchronizer is the best way to solve it? | 16:46 |
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| Drago | +1 "use the current technique as the first one we try" | 16:46 |
| hongbin | the problem is after the state sysnchronize get in, it suggests to solve the problem in a particular way | 16:46 |
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| hongbin | it is dangous | 16:46 |
| randallburt | hongbin: only in how you interpret it. It does not, in fact, advocate any strategy whatsoever | 16:47 |
| jvgrant__ | if we have an alternative that is viable, then we should add it to the spec and flesh it out. So far i haven't seen a complete alternative suggested that solves the concerns mentioned | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I'm glad we had this discussion. I have additional clarity now on why you have concerns, hongbin. We should revisit this in our IRC channel and continue to work through the issue together. | 16:47 |
| Drago | I do not think decoupling from heat should be gated on magnum supporting an additional state synchronization mechanism | 16:47 |
| hongbin | sure, we need more discussion on this | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | but I ask this of everyone on the team: | 16:48 |
| randallburt | I wholeheartedly disagree. It sounds like everyone here agrees on a path forward except for 1 person | 16:48 |
| yatin_ | adrian_otto, hongbin: +1 Decouple heat, for state sync should wait for further discussion | 16:48 |
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| randallburt | sorry, I know I'm new here but this is not consensus. Its bike shedding and obstruction. | 16:49 |
| yatin_ | should see other proposol on state sync and then decide | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | I want us to get to the bottom of *why* we disagree, and not march into a deadlock before we reach an agreement | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: would you be willing to make a concrete proposal for another approach? | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | and consider the input from our team to decide on the right first steps? | 16:50 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: i would argue the problem is not about alternative approach, it is about why magnum is biased on certain approach | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | that may help illustrate how we can do this better | 16:50 |
| hongbin | if magnum is biased on certain approach, that is fine. but we need to know why we biased on this approach | 16:51 |
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| Drago | Currently Magnum is biased on using Heat too | 16:51 |
| hongbin | Drago: but we agreed on decoupling from heat right? | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, do you have availability to revisit this today in #openstack-containers? | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ^ hongbin | 16:52 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: i can | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | thanks so much | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | our next agenda item is Ocata Blueprints | 16:53 |
| Drago | hongbin: My point is that Magnum is biased on multiple things, and we would like to focus on one in this spec. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | we are currently in "Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas" | 16:53 |
| randallburt | 5 min | 16:53 |
| hongbin | Drago: then, remove the poller :) | 16:53 |
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| randallburt | its. not. a. poller. | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | are there other BP's that the team would like to discuss | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | if not, we'll advance to Ocata Blueprints | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Ocata Blueprints | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | Which additional blueprints would we like to target for this release? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | I have one... | 16:54 |
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| jvgrant__ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/template-versioning | 16:55 |
| jvgrant__ | which is needed by the nodegroup and update blueprints | 16:55 |
| Drago | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes | 16:55 |
| strigazi | nit: s/update/upgrade :) | 16:55 |
| jvgrant__ | sorry upgrade :) | 16:55 |
| Drago | These two blueprints have specs that are no longer WIP. Please give feedback/vote on them | 16:56 |
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| vijendar | I have one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/docker-authz-plugin | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | jvgrant__: directionally approved https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/template-versioning for ocata | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | Drago: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes directionally approved for ocata | 16:58 |
| swatson | The flatten attributes one would get work done for this at the same time: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/rename-id-parameter-names | 16:58 |
| Drago | adrian_otto: Thanks | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | vijendar: we have an alternate approach for that that I will discuss with you | 16:58 |
| strigazi | swatson https://review.openstack.org/395012 | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | (auth plugin) | 16:58 |
| vijendar | adrian_otto: ok | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | 1 minute remaining, sorry for that | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting will be Tuesday, November 15 at 1600 UTC. | 17:00 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for your attendance, and I look forward to follow-up discussion. | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 17:00:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-11-08-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-11-08-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 17:00:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's see if there is anyone up for some murano today =) | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:02 |
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| StanLagun | o/ | 17:02 |
| freerunner | huh. I'm here too o/ | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the usual suspects =)) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Status Updates | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I have 2 | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 1st — I haven't yet sent the summit recap letter | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | will do so this week | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 2d — I'm going to implement the alternating meetings startgin with next one | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we've seemd to have agreed on that on ML before the summit | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Ocata is a short cycle, so we can experiment a bit here | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: btw, what do you think is it worth to request a release of murano-dashboard after all our changes with resource estimation and your commits to murano-dashboard land? | 17:13 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: What about meeting time shifting which was started by osh? | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: like I've just said — I'm going to implement that starting with the next one. | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | will send an emial and make a commit to the irc meetings config | 17:14 |
| StanLagun | kzaitsev_mb the UI data flow should be released, but not resource estimation. At least until we do it properly | 17:15 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Oh, ok, thanks :) | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: k. sounds good — at least we can check out how the new model works ) | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: btw, have you had a chance to look into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392743/ | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | looks like our agent CI is down for some reason =( | 17:17 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Will look into tomorrow | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. I don't have any more updates =) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just AI's to send out the letters =) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb implement the alternating meeting change & send ML letter | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb send out the summit summary to ML | 17:21 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm going to wait a bit to see if anyone comes by | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and if not — end the meeting at 30 mins mark ) | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: StanLagun: you ok with that guys? =) | 17:22 |
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| StanLagun | what's the new time for the meeting is going to be? | 17:24 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: It might be really early for you to participate ))) | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I don't remember it by heart — let me fetch the mail | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/104529.html | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: ^^ | 17:27 |
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| StanLagun | 5pm for me is okay, but 12am... oh my... | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: what time is it now on your site? | 17:30 |
| StanLagun | 9:30AM | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I mean if I recall it correctly — we would not change the time of current meeting | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I mean 1 week meeting like todays, next week meeting 7 hours earlier | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: I know the other time will be very inconvenient for US TZs, but after all it's an experiment to see if our colleagues from asian TZs can and are willing to join us ) | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's see how this plays out | 17:34 |
| StanLagun | That will mean that some of us will attend on even weeks while others on odd weeks. This problem is when there are decisions to be made in absence of one group or there are things to discuss between these groups | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I know, but right now — we don't even hear the other group | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so if this ever becomes an issue — we'll be able to revert the time or work out a better one | 17:36 |
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| StanLagun | Actually I'm a proponent of discussing things on forums, mailing lists etc. | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: well, OpenStack community is with you on that ) async communication is vital ) | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | no doubt ) | 17:37 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok thanks for joining, look out for those letters ) | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 17:41:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:41 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 8 19:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | Hello .. let's wait for a couple more mininutes | 19:02 |
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| kgarloff | Still confusion around DST? | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | I think so .. This is the first IRC meeting after the time change ... | 19:04 |
| catherineD | we may just have a short meeting today .. | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-11-08 | 19:05 |
| kgarloff | catherineD - second for Europeans :-) | 19:05 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | For the US, the US people this meeting now start one hour earlier :-) | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | Let's start ... | 19:06 |
| catherineD | #topic Summary of summit action items | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-ocata-summit | 19:06 |
| catherineD | The action items are from line 48 to 54 | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | I am going to lable the items | 19:08 |
| catherineD | item 1 (line 48) ... I think we should be able to do that with today's code ... pvaneck: please confirm .. | 19:10 |
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| pvaneck | i dont think that is the case | 19:11 |
| catherineD | oh sorry for that ... so need some update .. | 19:11 |
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| pvaneck | foundation admins will need a special exception for that | 19:12 |
| pvaneck | so yea needs some implementation | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | ic thanks pvaneck: | 19:13 |
| catherineD | should we open a bug or blueprint for each of the action item? | 19:13 |
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| pvaneck | no preference here. whichever is easier for you to track | 19:14 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:14 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:14 |
| catherineD | item 2 also needs work | 19:15 |
| pvaneck | should be easy to implement | 19:15 |
| pvaneck | wont take long | 19:15 |
| catherineD | that is good | 19:15 |
| catherineD | For item 3, I don't think we need further discussion before implementation ... | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | that leads us to topic 2 in this agenda ... | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | Gema and Daniel Mellado would like to meeting on either Thurs or Friday this week | 19:17 |
| catherineD | I would like to settle down on the date and time to meet .. unfortunately , they are not here ... so looks like we can not do that .. | 19:18 |
| Rockyg | both days are pretty open for me. No 7am though, please | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | I would propose to meet at 19 UTC on Thursday ... does that work ? | 19:19 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 19:20 |
| catherineD | so 11:00 am PDT .. | 19:20 |
| kgarloff | Just once or every week? | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | kgarloff: just one time | 19:20 |
| catherineD | I will confirm the date and time with Gema, Daniel and Chris and let everyone know | 19:21 |
| catherineD | kgarloff: GheRivero: pvaneck: Thurs 19 UTC good for you? | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | sure | 19:22 |
| GheRivero | not this week... but will try to made it anyway | 19:22 |
| kgarloff | Can not promise to attend - never mind... | 19:22 |
| catherineD | GheRivero: Thanks! Any suggestion for a time will work for you on Thurs and Friday .. since this is related to testing ... I think your inputs are valuable .. | 19:24 |
| GheRivero | no., sorry I will be travelling the next two days, so can't say anything. Besides, the two that put all the effort there are gema and dmellado so they should decide | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | GheRivero: OK no problem ... | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | I totally understand. I just got back from vacation after the summit ... it is pretty hard to check on mail and attend meeting while away from the office :-) | 19:27 |
| catherineD | moving on .. | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | item 4 : I think this need some discussion and design ... I will put this on next week's agenda | 19:28 |
| catherineD | item 5: need some discussion to finalize the implementation paths... we also need Andrey to discuss this item .. I will add to future meeting agenda for discussion .. | 19:29 |
| catherineD | moving to the next topic | 19:30 |
| catherineD | I think we have discuss the meeting date an time earlier ... I will confirm the data & time with Gema, Daniel and Chris | 19:31 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | any other topic we should discuss? | 19:32 |
| pvaneck | can you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388191/ ? | 19:33 |
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| GheRivero | added to my ToDo list | 19:34 |
| catherineD | me too | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | anything else? | 19:34 |
| catherineD | if not, we have a short meeting today ... | 19:35 |
| catherineD | Thank you all for attending the meeting ... | 19:35 |
| catherineD | bye now | 19:35 |
| Rockyg | bye! | 19:36 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 8 19:36:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-11-08-19.00.html | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-11-08-19.00.txt | 19:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-11-08-19.00.log.html | 19:36 |
| GheRivero | bye | 19:36 |
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| kgarloff | pvaneck: you got a +1... | 19:40 |
| pvaneck | kgarloff: thanks :) | 19:41 |
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