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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 14:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here? | 14:00 |
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| * bauzas me | 14:00 | |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | again, for 25 mins | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
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| macsz | \o | 14:01 |
| cdent | I was just getting ready to ask if you were here macsz | 14:01 |
| macsz | here i am :) | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | OK, let's start | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs / Reviews | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | I'm coming back from nearly a week off doing nothing but vacation stuff, so I'm completely unprepared for this meeting. | 14:02 |
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| cdent | edleafe: this might be a useful point of context: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107982.html | 14:03 |
| cdent | (or for everyone) | 14:03 |
| * johnthetubaguy lurks | 14:03 | |
| bauzas | I was at a conference last week, so identical for me | 14:03 |
| edleafe | cdent: Is there anything there that needs discussion this morning )UGT)? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | mostly working on a separate bug last week | 14:04 |
| edleafe | s/)/(/ | 14:04 |
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| cdent | I think most of it relatively self explanatory. I'd guess that the topic that most in need of discussion in general at this meeting is what the next steps are with reagards to scheduler/placement api integration | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | ok, then let's move to that if no one else has any specific review to discuss | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | cdent: go ahead | 14:05 |
| cdent | is jaypipes in the hizzle? | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | I saw him in the -nova scrollback earlier | 14:07 |
| cdent | Hmm. Ok. Well, basically: We now have aggregates support in the placement API, and we will soon have support for filtering resource providers by resource requirements | 14:07 |
| cdent | So there is work to in the resource tracker to effectively track associations of compute nodes with shared disk | 14:08 |
| cdent | Work to ack that in the filtering of resource providers | 14:08 |
| edleafe | got it | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Is there any place where I (or anyone else) can pitch in to help, aside from reviews? | 14:08 |
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| cdent | I'm not sure, thus the jay ping. he had said he wanted to start the resource tracker changes | 14:09 |
| bauzas | cdent: you mean the changes I provided ? | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | ok, well aside from digging out of the email backlog, I have cycles | 14:10 |
| cdent | bauzas: I'm talking about changes for aggregates, on the resource tracker side | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: oh the relationship between RPs and aggregates ? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | roger. | 14:11 |
| * cdent nods | 14:11 | |
| bauzas | we already notify that from a compute PoV | 14:11 |
| bauzas | I dunno if that helps | 14:11 |
| * jaypipes on a conference call at the moment :() | 14:11 | |
| bauzas | but every time an aggregate is changing, we do notify the scheduler | 14:12 |
| cdent | edleafe: I'm assuming that as people surface from the email backlog we'll get something going that is more concrete, if necessary, I'll followup to my own email tomorrow or wednesday to extract that | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | have we made a decision on the pOST vs. GET thing yet? | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | cdent: thanks. I'm totally out of the loop at the moment | 14:12 |
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| cdent | jaypipes: no progress there because of other stuff last week (notably bauzas was making herculean efforts to fix the postgres problem) | 14:13 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: decision? no. But there needs to be a solid reason for not following the standards. | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | and because I was blocked in Paris :) | 14:13 |
| bauzas | the decision is that I'll update my change with what I think is somehow a concrete and reasonable proposal | 14:14 |
| bauzas | call it a trade-off :) | 14:14 |
| cdent | edleafe (and maybe macsz) since you've said you've got cycles there may be some bugs available: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:15 |
| cdent | and there's always our good friend: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-newton-leftovers | 14:15 |
| macsz | sure, will grab sth :) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | cdent: thanks; I'll look at the bugs. I never trust that if someone picks up something from the etherpad to work on, that they update the pad | 14:15 |
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| cdent | most of the things left on the pad are fairly...fuzzy | 14:17 |
| edleafe | OK, moving on... | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Anything else to discuss before bauzas has to leave? | 14:18 |
| cdent | apparently not | 14:20 |
| edleafe | ok, thanks everyone! | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:20 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 14:20:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-11-28-14.00.html | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-11-28-14.00.txt | 14:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-11-28-14.00.log.html | 14:20 |
| macsz | bya :) | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 15:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | howdy | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| sindhu | Hi | 15:01 |
| johndperkins | hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | giving a minute for everyone to join... | 15:01 |
| korzen | thanks to Thanksgiving, I could catch up with reviews | 15:02 |
| dasanind_ | Hi | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | sorry was pulled by someone evil! | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | but now I am back | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | nothing to report here I believe. please register for PTG in Feb 2017 ;) | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Partial Multinode Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
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| ihrachys | I think jschwarz is still working on linuxbridge grenade job | 15:04 |
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| jschwarz | I am | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | there is a patch that should have helped: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400258/ but it does not seem like it fixed the failure as seen in http://logs.openstack.org/59/396659/2/experimental/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-multinode-nv/f652b83/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 15:04 |
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| jschwarz | it's probably because the fix is for neutron-legacy and not for neutron | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: for what I understand, it seems like nova tries to land a port on a compute node that is (no longer) registered in neutron-server | 15:05 |
| jschwarz | I'm gonna port it to both ways and see if it works | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | jschwarz: do we use lib/neutron for the job? | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: you can check devstacklog to determine it | 15:05 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, that's what I wasn't sure of - I implemented the fix for lib/neutron-lib iirc | 15:05 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, will have a thorough look now | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: you mean -legacy not -lib right? | 15:06 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, sorry yes | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | jschwarz: seems -legacy: http://logs.openstack.org/59/396659/2/experimental/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-multinode-nv/f652b83/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2016-11-23_11_12_09_237 | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: I am actually not sure if we use lib/neutron anywhere in our own gate | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | which is a shame ;0 | 15:07 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, ack | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | like, how is it legacy if it's used for everything? :) | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: so I believe your fix applies | 15:07 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, so I'm not sure why it didn't work for legacy | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: but does not help the issue | 15:07 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, I'm gonna look if my code actually ran through | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: I am sure it did. but why do you think it's enough to pass? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: yeah, sure, agent now starts; but it's neutron-server that fails to schedule binding to a (non-existing) agent | 15:08 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, the failure in the logfile mentions that the linuxbridge agent failed because br-ex didn't exist when it started | 15:08 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, the agent doesn't start | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | in the job I posted a link to? | 15:08 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, yes | 15:09 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, http://logs.openstack.org/59/396659/2/experimental/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-multinode-nv/f652b83/logs/subnode-2/old/screen-q-agt.txt.gz | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | oh right | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | I think I understand what's going on | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | that's subnode, it runs 'old' code | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | including old devstack | 15:09 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, how old? | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | we would need to backport it to newton for devstack | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: like newton old | 15:09 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, ah. | 15:10 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, so, I can start a backport and change the depends-on for the DNM patch and see if the fixes it :P | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: so probably the path forward is to try to backport the fix (without landing master just yet), then retrigger DNM with both patches (master and newton) included | 15:10 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, or, rather, it wouldn't work because the subnode takes the stable/newton code no matter what? | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: you don't need to change change-id | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: since it's the same for backport | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: and zuul should correctly capture both matching | 15:11 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, question is, will it use the new stable/newton patch for the subnode as well | 15:11 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, or is it hard-coded to always be stable/newton or something | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: if you depend on both master fix and newton backport, zuul should correctly gate with both included on both nodes | 15:11 |
| jschwarz | ok | 15:11 |
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| jschwarz | will do it now | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | if not, that's a bug in zuul setup for the job | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: cool | 15:11 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403752/ | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: btw be aware I switched the job to xenial lately https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402488/ | 15:12 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, and triggered a recheck experimental | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: should not break anything, but I won't guarantee | 15:12 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, Aye I saw - that was a quick merge :) | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: I think it's 'check experimental' not recheck | 15:12 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, worst case scenario I'll know who to yell at | 15:12 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, yeps, that's what I did :) | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: the more friends in infra you get the quicker you merge patches ;) | 15:13 |
| jschwarz | ihrachys, :D | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess we settled the path forward here. cool. | 15:13 |
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| jschwarz | happy to be of service | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | on the other front, I believe all other grenade jobs in neutron gate switched to xenial already with no issues | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | some patches landed lately are: | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | address scope integration: https://review.openstack.org/308005 | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | provider resource association: https://review.openstack.org/304322 | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | objects_exist API in the merge queue: https://review.openstack.org/395748 | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | also subnet service type should be ready to merge: https://review.openstack.org/375536 | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: ajo: blogan: ^ please review the latter one | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, ack | 15:16 |
| sshank | ihrachys, objects_exists is dependent on a OVO patch. It wont merge until the OVO gets merged? | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I was reviewing some more lately, but so far I haven't found anything more to land | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | sshank: oh | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | ok I will give that dep patch a go after the meeting, it has +1 for korzen so should be in good shape | 15:17 |
| sshank | ihrachys, Thanks. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | of common interest, there is also a patch that modifies our UUIDField approach: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393150/ | 15:17 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: what about the integration of router route? | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | it will affect all patches introducing UUIDField based objects once landed | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: that's integration only right? | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | will review right after | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: yeah, the creation was merged couple of weeks ago | 15:19 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: thanks | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | so folks, make note of that UUIDField patch I mentioned above | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | once landed, it will break some of patches introducing objects with a UUIDField | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | the fix is easy - replacing obj_fields.UUIDField with common_types.UUIDField | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | but we will need to do that across the board for all new objects | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | I see dasm also respinned the patch that switches all existing objects from tenant_id to project_id: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382659/ | 15:21 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: does that mean that we have to consider this new approach for current ovo implementations? | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you can't until we land the new type class | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: so for now stick to what we have (obj_fields.UUIDField), and we will adopt when the patch actually lands | 15:22 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: yep. came back from vacations ;) | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | it may take some time to land since the author is new to the team | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | dasm: cool. I will have a look. | 15:22 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: it's still not ready, but it's getting better. hopefully sooner than later. | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | also, some of you folks may have noticed that there is ongoing work in the tree to switch to a new oslo.db enginefacade | 15:22 |
| dasm | ihrachys: when it'll be in good shape, i'll ping you, korzen and electrocucaracha to take a look at it | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | that replaces all autonested_transactions context managers with specific reader/writer managers. | 15:23 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, does enginefacade help with detached db_obj problem? | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: there are plenty for rebasing merge conflicts | 15:24 |
| korzen | the integration of subnet and network OVOs are dependent on db_obj being detached from the session | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no I don't think so. actually, Anna mentioned to me that we may need to rethink expunge calls because apparently they are not working with the new facade | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306685/21/neutron/db/flavors_db.py@109 | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: thanks!!! | 15:26 |
| korzen | ihrachys, the expunge does not work either so | 15:26 |
| korzen | it is good that we need to change it ;) | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | yeah, so you see, in the patch, we remove the writer.using context manager, same way we could do for autonested_transaction | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | we will probably need to switch our object classes to using the new context managers too | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | meaning, use writer.using for create/update/delete and reader.using for get_object[s], count, objects_exist | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I am not filled in with details on why they are not compatible, but I trust Anna's judgement :) | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: btw that flavour patch, does it seem like ready? | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I don't see any TODOs or WIP markers | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: nope, I need to check the latest errors, it was fine before | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | actually I have plans to review Qoutas first before that one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338625/ | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I see korzen already chimed in there with a -1. are they interdependable for some reason? | 15:30 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I haven't have time to take a look, but the good thing about that patch is that contains four objecst | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's move on to the next topic | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | ok one thing I wanted to mention | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | docs team plans for a common openstack upgrades guide | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394261/ | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | atm it's in spec stage | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | but it's still worth having a look, and I expect us to help folks later with the content on neutron | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | anything more on your plate of common interest? | 15:36 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I was thinking about the testing on null ids | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ah right. you mean the test for db_obj? | 15:38 |
| korzen | I'm working on devref: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336518 | 15:38 |
| korzen | anyone that still did not review it, please do | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: the discussion that was started on the router patch | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: we indeed can't create an object without foreign keys properly set, so we definitely need to create objects there. | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I need to digest the rationale and see if it means that in this case the test case is worthless | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | korzen: electrocucaracha: I guess the explanation to skip the test case for the field that can't be null is that db_obj.<field> will always be non-null there? | 15:39 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: yeah, my only concern is that we are not testing the scenarios where the id is set as null | 15:39 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes | 15:40 |
| korzen | ihrachys, well it is not skipping the test | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I think the scenario that is not covered is when you maybe decide to change the value of the foreign key value. it should be doable right? | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | from general model perspective, not necessarily from business logic perspective | 15:41 |
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| electrocucaracha | well that's another one, I was thinking in the case where you have an optional foreign keys | 15:42 |
| electrocucaracha | If I remember SecurityGroupRules has one | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, we may want to work on the base test framework to add some test cases for those corner cases. | 15:42 |
| electrocucaracha | more things to the TODO list :) | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | then we should be safe to skip the existing test case for the fields | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I will revisit the vote though, I don't think it's worth a block | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | ok | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:44 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, korzen Regarding standard attribute, we started a WIP patch. | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | sshank: link? | 15:45 |
| sshank | ihrachys, korzen: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400412/ | 15:45 |
| korzen | ok thanks | 15:45 |
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| sshank | not sure if the idea is correct. | 15:46 |
| korzen | sshank, taking a quick look at it, it needs more work ;) | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | sshank: the idea is but implementation is not correct. I will leave a comment. | 15:47 |
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| korzen | yea, exactly | 15:47 |
| sshank | ihrachys, Ok. Thanks | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | sshank: and we will need some test cases for the feature | 15:47 |
| korzen | so from other news, the distributed port binding for live migration is going to extend the PortBinding with host_id and status fields, host_id being primary key | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok that was the decision in the spec? I haven't checked since I left the comments last time. | 15:48 |
| korzen | yes, it didn't change | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | for those wondering, we are talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309416/33/specs/ocata/portbinding_information_for_nova.rst@555 | 15:49 |
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| korzen | the concern was that using DistributedPortBinding rework will take more time than extending | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | korzen: ok, so from OVO/downtime-less upgrades perspective, status field should be easy (probably no actual work) | 15:50 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: korzen: is there any impact if we extend the primary key while expand migration? | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | korzen: as for primary key extended to cover host, I believe it's also ok because we are migrating from 1 to many | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | hm | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | it makes me think that it may be actually a problem | 15:51 |
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| korzen | I hope that extending the primary keys will not block the DB for much time? | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | I need to draw some lines on a piece of paper to make sense of it | 15:52 |
| korzen | from no-downtime, it is the bigger problem | 15:52 |
| korzen | is it backwar compatible? | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | yea. the current newton code assumes that there is only a single object to return when fetching by port_id | 15:53 |
| korzen | if you will do the insert/select without second primary key? | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I don't think we actually have code that would do that, but I suspect we may have code that does not pass host on fetch | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | ok we need to make sense of the idea before it's too late :) | 15:54 |
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| korzen | if the change will not be backward compatible then we are doomed | 15:55 |
| korzen | not mentioning many lines of code at OVO side | 15:55 |
| korzen | to handle the empty host_id etc | 15:55 |
| korzen | migrating data | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | I will need to fetch newton code and read it through to understand how we use the table right now. | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: thanks for raising the flag, it's a very important piece of the puzzle for Ocata | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | btw we are still to look at CI setup for mixed API endpoint versions. | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | ok, we have 1 min left, let's call it a day and spend the minute for reviews ;) | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | I will walk thru patches mentioned during the meeting right now | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | cheers | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 15:59:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| korzen | thanks, bye | 15:59 |
| sshank | Thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-11-28-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-11-28-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-11-28-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| dasanind_ | thanks | 15:59 |
| sindhu | thanks | 15:59 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks | 15:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 16:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| johnsom | harlowja_at_home you are so bad | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, lol | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| tovin07_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | Gives me a chuckle to start the week | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | everyone was saying thanks, so i had to also :) | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for HenryG, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi | 16:01 |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, let's get the show on the road | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 16:02 |
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| gcb | None from Nova as I know. | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | none for keystone that I know of. | 16:02 |
| amrith | none from trove but the message signing thing is getting warm | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, nice nice, how warm | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | like toasty hot? | 16:03 |
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| johnsom | No issues to report here | 16:04 |
| amrith | not that much, just enough to burn a hole in my pants :( | 16:04 |
| amrith | because right now, it is sitting in my lap to do the work | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | uh ohs | 16:04 |
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| amrith | as I've discussed before; since it isn't localized into o.m.r, it is a very disruptive change | 16:05 |
| amrith | hitting many files, and every single API. | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right :-/ | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | tonyb, u around? | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | only issue that i know about (red flag) is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/108042.html | 16:08 |
| * electrocucaracha is new about being neutron liaison | 16:08 | |
| harlowja_at_home | which is the one thing left that's been breaking the oslo periodic jobs | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | electrocucaracha, hi! | 16:08 |
| gcb | welcome electrocucaracha | 16:09 |
| electrocucaracha | harlowja_at_home: gcb thanks | 16:09 |
| bknudson | the change is already released | 16:09 |
| bknudson | the change is in oslo.log 3.17.0 | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, its the same one that shows up @ http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-glance-py27-with-oslo-master/966882b/console.html#_2016-11-28_06_11_45_673086 | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll reply to that email saying the change there (to glance) is fine with me | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | electrocucaracha, on the neutron side, anything u know about that relates to oslo (issues, discussions...) from the various neutron folks? | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | we typically dedicate the first part of the meeting for such things | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | (if you aren't sure, that's ok to) | 16:13 |
| electrocucaracha | harlowja_at_home: the only thing that came to my mind is that we are replacing autonested_transactions context managers with specific reader/writer managers. | 16:14 |
| electrocucaracha | harlowja_at_home: but besides that no issues | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, sounds like the oslo.db change that zzzeek was doing is getting into neutron | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Ocata | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so the periodic jobs all seem good (except for that glance known issue) so i'll drop a release *bundle* out later today/tommorow (once i get the glance folks to merge in that change for there oslo.log usage) | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone have any issues with me doing that? :-P | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | speak now or forever hold your peace | 16:18 |
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| johnsom | Fine by me | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:19 |
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| gcb | +1 | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, that's all the topics i had | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | 16:20 | |
| harlowja_at_home | if people are looking for things to do, there are a couple active ones there | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | that i'm sure would be nice to merge :) | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | jd has also been busy with https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tooz+branch:master+topic:jd/hashring | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that might be interesting to folks also | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | the hashring there will hopefully replace the copied one in ironic and nova | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397264/ being the main review for that | 16:22 |
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| tovin07 | harlowja_at_home: hey | 16:23 |
| kgiusti | I'd like the oslo.messaging folks to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400856/2 even tho marked WIP... (to prevent infra from merging it) | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, hey | 16:23 |
| tovin07 | I see... OSProfiler spec has N request (sampling rate) feature, however, it has not implemented yet. Do you have any idea about that? | 16:23 |
| johnsom | hashring == neat, we might use that too in the future | 16:23 |
| tovin07 | I don’t know where is boris-42 now :v | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, i do not, though DinaBelova might | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i'm not sure where boris-42 has been at | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | but DinaBelova and friends might be able to answer that question | 16:24 |
| tovin07 | DinaBelova said that boris-42 proposed that | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ah | 16:24 |
| kgiusti | sileht: gdavoian ^^^ - TL;DR use plugin for devstack setup so we can remove platform specific stuff like this: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.messaging/tree/oslo_messaging/tests/functional/gate/post_test_hook.sh#n51 | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, do u want to send a ML question to the email list, i'll see if i can locate boris-42 | 16:25 |
| tovin07 | oh, that’s great | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | boris may respond to the ML (last time i heard he was busy doing some internal mirantis work stuff) | 16:25 |
| tovin07 | ah ha | 16:26 |
| tovin07 | (y) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, cool, if u send it with the issue/question.. then i'll see if i can locate him and direct him at that email | 16:26 |
| tovin07 | DinaBelova: are you there? | 16:27 |
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| tovin07 | harlowja_at_home: thanks | 16:27 |
| DinaBelova | not really yet :D meetings time :D | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, np | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | more meetings! | 16:28 |
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| tovin07 | DinaBelova: morning in pst seems very buzy ha | 16:28 |
| DinaBelova | yeah :) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | with the recent changes to various laws its gonna get even more buzzy, ha | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:28 |
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| tovin07 | harlowja_at_home: in mirantis? or all? | 16:29 |
| * harlowja_at_home was a joke, about the marijuana laws that just changed in california | 16:29 | |
| tovin07 | :)) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | anything else from folks regarding anything they want to bring up? | 16:31 |
| toabctl | for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400667 - how many cross-project tests are you expecting? | 16:32 |
| * harlowja_at_home is still trying to figure out the PTG dates and such (my family is doing a ski vacation during the same week, so trying to figure out what I should do about that) | 16:32 | |
| toabctl | is nova and ceilometer enough? | 16:33 |
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| toabctl | dhellmann, ^^ | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | toabctl, maybe glance also? | 16:33 |
| toabctl | harlowja_at_home, sure. | 16:33 |
| bknudson | is there any good skiing in atlanta? | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, lol | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | water skiing :-P | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | not so much snow there afaik, ha | 16:34 |
| johnsom | There you go, problem solved... grin | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll ponder over the skiing situation, maybe can get dims to fill in for me (let's see) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, u wanna go skiing? and pretend u are named josh harlow | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:36 |
| dims | me skiing.... have no skills | 16:37 |
| dims | :) | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, enough of this skiing talk, ha | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | have a great day folks, and thanks for showing up :) | 16:39 |
| tovin07 | :P | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:40 |
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| amrith | ah, buzzy | 16:40 |
| amrith | subtle | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 16:41:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-11-28-16.00.html | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-11-28-16.00.txt | 16:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-11-28-16.00.log.html | 16:41 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:41 |
| tovin07 | oh stop it, you | 16:42 |
| tovin07 | :)) | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:42 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting | 20:00 |
| openstack | dave-mccowan: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 20:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 20:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hello kfarr mathiasb | 20:01 |
| kfarr | hi there! \o/ | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | small crowd so far.... | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | here's the agenda if you want to start getting warmed up https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican :-) | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | small crowd today. let's get started anyways. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic refactor v1 client | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "refactor v1 client (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:05 | |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:05 |
| alee | o/ (briefly) | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | hi alee woodster_ | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | hello! | 20:06 |
| alee | yo! | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | looks like jeremy add this item to the agenda with a link to his review to refactor the v1 client | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403604/ | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | does anyone have background on this? | 20:07 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, no, no background :( | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | early in the cycle is a good time for refactor work, but i'm not sure what the goal is. i'll look for him tonight to ask. | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | moving on | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic ocata work items | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata work items (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:08 | |
| dave-mccowan | i started a new etherpad to track All The Things | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-ocata | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | unfortunately i missed the deadline to spin a milestone 1 release. i'll make sure to request a milestone 2 release in December. | 20:09 |
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| dave-mccowan | one of the goals we agreed on at summit was to get more stars from the project navigator | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | can anyone volunteer to take on some of the open items from the list on the etherpad? | 20:10 |
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| dave-mccowan | i signed up for a few items that involve adding tags to the governance repo... if anyone wants one of those, feel free to steal the item from me. | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | it seems like for a few of the maturity points we're missing, we're following the process, but not getting credit. i'll dig to figure out what we're missing. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | does anyone have ocata work that should be added to the list? | 20:13 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, I said I'd dust off the spec for signing | 20:14 |
| alee | still need to get to that | 20:14 |
| alee | but if we can get to the point where we have an agreed upon spec in ocata, we can start to implement in N perhaps | 20:15 |
| alee | (or sooner, depending on how things go) | 20:15 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee sounds good. we'll need to start jamming to go sooner. Ocata is short. We should have feature code done by end of January. | 20:16 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, we also talked about the db security issue -- not sure if we wanted to fix that in ocata | 20:16 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, yeah - its pretty unlikley | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | also, i'd like to bring our backlogs down this release. our patch review queue is much shorter now. our bug backlog is still huge. | 20:18 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic meeting time | 20:20 |
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| dave-mccowan | a new contributor, who wants to write tempest tests for barbican, has asked we make this meeting earlier (he's in germany) | 20:20 |
| alee | ogtta drop - back later | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | how does everyone's schedule look to move this meeting three hours earlier? | 20:21 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, are the tempest tests for the nova/cinder/glance functionality? | 20:21 |
| kfarr | or just for barbican itself? | 20:21 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, I'm ok with earlier but have a bunch of meetings on monday. can we try a etherpad with places to vote ? | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | kfarr after getting the framework and barbican basics, Marc's interest is LBaaS. | 20:22 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, I'm good with earlier | 20:22 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, ah ok | 20:22 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr do you know the status of the nova/cinder/barbican tests? | 20:22 |
| alee_afk | dave-mccowan, I'm in meetings three hours earlier .. | 20:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee_afk i'll put some options on an etherpad for a vote | 20:23 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan dane-fichter is working on a tempest plugin in the castellan codebase for integration tests | 20:23 |
| kfarr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398575/ | 20:23 |
| kfarr | it's very much WIP | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr thanks. i'll make sure marc sees that. | 20:23 |
| kfarr | especially because the tempest plugin concept is relatively new, and Dane is figuring it out essentially be reversing other plugins | 20:24 |
| kfarr | since documentation is still scarce | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | fwiw, I'm ok with earlier meeting time | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:25 |
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| dave-mccowan | anything else to discuss? | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Looking for reviews for this bug fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397338/ | 20:26 |
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| dave-mccowan | does anyone know for sure if they are in or out for the PTG? | 20:26 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, not sure yet | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | that's all i have for today then. | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks everyone! | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 20:29:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-11-28-20.00.html | 20:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-11-28-20.00.txt | 20:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-11-28-20.00.log.html | 20:29 |
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| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 21:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi - Who's here for the Product WG meeting? | 21:02 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | The agenda is located here | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Leong and Megan | 21:03 |
| MeganR | Hi! | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | Glad to see you survived Black Friday Megan!! | 21:03 |
| MeganR | Lol - and getting through Cyber Monday! | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett | Yea - hearing all types types of things about slow internet, must be an active cyber Monday | 21:04 |
| MeganR | I hope you had a great week off. | 21:04 |
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| MeganR | yes, but that doesn't happen in the office - never! | 21:04 |
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| piet | o/ | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks - the week off was nice! Missed a lot of rain here in the NW! | 21:05 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Piet | 21:05 |
| piet | Howdy! | 21:05 |
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| CarolBarrett | Shamail sent a note, he won't make it today... | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi kencjohnston | 21:06 |
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| CarolBarrett | let's get going | 21:06 |
| kencjohnston | howdy leong piet MeganR CarolBarrett! | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic UX User Stories | 21:06 |
| piet | Hi kencjohnston | 21:06 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 21:06 |
| leong | hi all | 21:06 |
| MeganR | Hi kencjohnston | 21:06 |
| MeganR | and all! :) | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet - can you give an overview of your plans for creating User Stories based upon the recent research your team has completed? | 21:07 |
| piet | I wouldn't refer to them as UX user stories because there should be no difference with the stories the rest of the group is creating | 21:07 |
| CarolBarrett | OK | 21:08 |
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| piet | I'm just very new to the PWG process and generated a few questions when creating my first one. | 21:08 |
| kencjohnston | piet: It is admittedly not the easiest for non-developers, how can we help? | 21:08 |
| CarolBarrett | You're not alone... | 21:09 |
| piet | First, my impression is that Usage Scenarios reflect the proposed solution? | 21:09 |
| piet | Rather than their current state of misery? | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | piet: Correct, the proposed user experience/usage | 21:09 |
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| kencjohnston | the Problem Definition and Opportunity justification should cover the misery | 21:10 |
| piet | What kind of granularity do we need for each user story? I get the impression that they're a bit intergalactic. How do we decide whether a user story is too big or small? | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | I'd start with big and if the team decides it is better broken up then we can assist | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | piet: We have some quiet large ones out there already so practically speaking nothing is too large | 21:12 |
| kencjohnston | I guess "Make OpenStack More User Friendly" would be too large... | 21:12 |
| piet | I'm almost thinking rom the perspective a developer. Big may be hard for them to complete | 21:12 |
| piet | kencjohnston "Talk to operators" ;^) | 21:13 |
| Rockyg | They will get broken into multiple specs for developers | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | agree that smaller is prefered | 21:13 |
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| piet | Kk | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | but don't feel compelled to break them down to the smallest degree | 21:13 |
| piet | kencjohnston I'm also thinking that we generated multiple proposed solutions for each study. How does the group land on a specific solution? | 21:14 |
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| CarolBarrett | Piet: Can you give an example of a user story that would be created from a study? | 21:15 |
| piet | Quota Flavors | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | piet: Say more about that... | 21:16 |
| piet | That's kind of a long conversation, but think in terms of instance flavors. Each flavor has a specific value for RAM, Storage, Security Groups, etc. | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | Ahh gotcha, "Predefined Quota Allocations to be applied to projects" | 21:18 |
| piet | Rather than adjust incrementally for each project, the operator would simply select one of x number of flavors. | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | Well I htink that is a "Usage Scenario" on the "Improved Quota Management" user story. What do others think? | 21:18 |
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| kencjohnston | Sorry specifically this story - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/proposed/capacity_management.html | 21:19 |
| piet | kencjohnston Hold on. ;^) | 21:19 |
| CarolBarrett | Agree on Capacity management | 21:19 |
| leong | agree... that would goes into usage scenario | 21:19 |
| piet | There is also a solution around delegating quota management through domain admins. | 21:20 |
| piet | The challenge is around multiple usage scenarios. What if the group likes one, but doesn't like another? | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | piet: These usage scenarios are in conflict? | 21:21 |
| piet | No, but some might be better than others or one might be prioritized over the other. How is that handled through user stories? | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | piet: As in, you can't provide both experiences? If so we should spell that out in the user story. | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | piet: There is some precedence for prioritizing user stories and usage scenarios | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | so if you have that preference from the research we should include it. | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | Let me try and find an example. | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | Something like we did here - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/proposed/fleet-management.html | 21:23 |
| piet | kencjohnston Kk that is what I was looking for. | 21:23 |
| piet | Remember that my previous experience with agile was that there were also epics | 21:24 |
| CarolBarrett | kencjohnston: good example | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | piet: Ahh, is OpenStack considered Agile these days... :) | 21:24 |
| piet | kencjohnston No comment. ;^) | 21:25 |
| piet | Alright. I got my questions answered. Thanks for the help! Anticipate around six user stories from me. | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks kencjohnston | 21:26 |
| piet | Thanks kencjohnston | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | The next topic is around Scope for User Stories | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | piet: Awesome, thanks! | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic User Story SCope | 21:27 |
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| CarolBarrett | This is related to the previous discussion. | 21:27 |
| piet | Yep | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett | The scope of some of the User Stories is large - is that a help or a hinderance? | 21:27 |
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| piet | I think they're a bit large personally, but really looking for some kind of documentation around what is too big or small | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | piet: You bring up a good point, it would be good to break them down further and use the "related user stories section" | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | but we do want these to be consumable by developers who are looking for the results of research (market and user experience). | 21:29 |
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| kencjohnston | That is the balance, provide complete context, and also link to actionable items like specs as rocky mentioned. | 21:30 |
| leong | it is better for a user story to be more focus on a specific scope.. this helps for implementation and tracking | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett | Seems like we will need the ability to track specs/blueprints/bugs at the usage scenario level, not the user story level | 21:30 |
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| leong | track spec/blueprint should be covered by the User Story Tracker, i suppose? | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: can you characterize a specific scope? | 21:31 |
| piet | leong CarolBarrett Yep | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | leong: +1, an that scope should be user focused, not nessaecarily developer focused. | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | s/an/and | 21:31 |
| leong | yup.. user story should be user focused | 21:31 |
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| kencjohnston | leong: Imagine that... :) | 21:31 |
| leong | spec/blueprint will be the one that need to be used by developer for implementation | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: Yes, but I think the current plan is to track at the user story level, not usage scenario (within the user story) level | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: agree | 21:32 |
| leong | every requirement as specified in the user story should have a related/associated spec/blueprint | 21:32 |
| piet | Just a thought. It feels like our User Stories are really blue prints and our use cases are really user stories. | 21:34 |
| piet | leong Does that make sense? | 21:35 |
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| CarolBarrett | #action Carol to discuss with Shamail whether the User Story Tracker needs to be enhanced to track Specs/Blueprints/Bugs associated with each usage scenario in a User Story | 21:35 |
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| kencjohnston | piet: Ahh, yeah now I get your agile comment. The combined documents aren't "user stories" in the agile sense. | 21:35 |
| kencjohnston | As in the "As an X, in order to Y, I'd like Z" | 21:35 |
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| kencjohnston | those are what we call "Use Cases" | 21:36 |
| kencjohnston | So you can think of the User Story as more like an Epic | 21:36 |
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| piet | Would a user story be more of a blueprint in OpenStack? | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett | kencjohnston +1 | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett | piet: a user story is likely to cause multiple blueprints to be created | 21:37 |
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| leong | User story is not a blueprint | 21:38 |
| leong | a user story potentially can create multiple blueprint and spec | 21:38 |
| piet | CarolBarrett Kk | 21:38 |
| piet | leong K | 21:38 |
| CarolBarrett | Anyone else have thoughts about scope? | 21:39 |
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| CarolBarrett | Ok - let's move on | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic CPL Updates | 21:40 |
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| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Product_Working_Group | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | If you are listed as an existing CPL, we would like you to confirm that you're able to continue in that role. | 21:40 |
| CarolBarrett | If you're interested in becoming a CPL, then pls look over the list and add your name where you'd like to dive in | 21:41 |
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| leong | CarolBarrett: need to send that message to maillist.. most CPL is not here | 21:41 |
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| CarolBarrett | Leong: Good point. I thought that had happened. Will ask Arkady to do this since he's been the point of contact for updates | 21:43 |
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| CarolBarrett | #action Arkady Send a message to the PWG mail list & User-Committee ML asking people to update their CPL info. Include Link to PWG Wiki page for CPL | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | Does anyone have questions on CPL? | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett | OK - Then let's move to Opens | 21:45 |
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| CarolBarrett | #topic Opens | 21:45 |
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| CarolBarrett | I added 2 topics under this to the agenda | 21:45 |
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| CarolBarrett | 1st - I wanted to get input from you all for upcoming agenda topics. | 21:45 |
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| leong | midcycle planning? | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | piet: startd a mailing list thread we should discuss at some point. Adding OpenStack Personas to all user stories. | 21:46 |
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| kencjohnston | I'd add that we need to have another "can people do reviews" discussion. Especially as we have a number of incoming user stories from other User Committee groups. | 21:47 |
| piet | kencjohnston Cool | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | 2 good suggestions - thanks | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | Others? | 21:47 |
| piet | I will be sending a link to a user story in Google docs. Please review to make sure I'm aligned with the group. | 21:47 |
| piet | It will be updated based in feedback from this meeting | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | piet: As a kind of pre-check before submitting it for review in gerrit? | 21:48 |
| piet | Yeah | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | piet: ok | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Carol add midcycle planning and use of Personas to upcoming PWG meeting agenda | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | anything else on future agenda items? | 21:48 |
| piet | One other thing. I need four more operators for a deployment study | 21:48 |
| leong | piet: send that request to ops maillist | 21:49 |
| piet | I did | 21:49 |
| leong | resend and remind :-) | 21:49 |
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| piet | I will tomorrow AM | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | piet: I have it on my list, do you already have the OSIC and Rackspace teams signed up? | 21:50 |
| piet | kencjohnston As observers or participants? | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | piet: Either? | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | piet: I'll send you a note offline. | 21:51 |
| piet | kencjohnston Trying to avoid using folks at OSIC as participants because of bias | 21:51 |
| piet | We have folks from Puppet Labs, OSIC, Redhat and Intel observing. | 21:52 |
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| CarolBarrett | piet: have you gone into other WG meetings to recruit? Like Large Operators or Telco or Scientific WG? | 21:52 |
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| piet | Not yet, but could send a note | 21:53 |
| leong | and EMEA/APAC operators.... | 21:53 |
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| CarolBarrett | Piet: I was actually proposing that you attend their team meetings and add this topic to their agendas... :) | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | I know it's time consuming, but... | 21:53 |
| piet | CarolBarrett LOL. I know you were. | 21:53 |
| CarolBarrett | good luck! | 21:54 |
| CarolBarrett | Next, I want to confirm that we will cancel our team meetings for 12/26 and 1/2/17 | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Any issues? | 21:55 |
| leong | +1 | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Wasn't expecting any.... :) | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: sounds appropriate, both observed US Holidays. | 21:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Next, I want to start collecting info on PWG members who are also part of other User Committee WGs or Teams | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UC_WG_Outreach | 21:56 |
| CarolBarrett | I believe that we will need to reachout to the leaders and probably the members of these groups to introduce the PWG, our mission, work flow and how we can work together | 21:57 |
| leong | +1 carol | 21:57 |
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| MeganR | good idea! | 21:57 |
| CarolBarrett | It would be great if people who were active in the groups could help both prep the content and deliver it | 21:57 |
| CarolBarrett | If you are working in other WGs or Teams, i'd appreciate if you'd add your name and the WGs/teams to the etherpad at the link | 21:58 |
| CarolBarrett | I think we'll want to start this as soon as the simplified work flow task is complete | 21:59 |
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| CarolBarrett | #action All Add your name along with other UC WGs/Teams that you participate in to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/UC_WG_Outreach | 22:00 |
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| CarolBarrett | I think that covers the agenda for today...just as we're out of time. | 22:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks everyone | 22:01 |
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| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 22:01:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-11-28-21.02.html | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-11-28-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-11-28-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
| rattboi | o/ | 22:01 |
| phschwartz | afternoon | 22:01 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:01 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:01 |
| clarkb | ohai | 22:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 22:01 |
| jeblair | good day! | 22:02 |
| jlk | o/ | 22:02 |
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| fungi | oi | 22:02 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 22:02 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 22:02:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 22:03 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-21-22.01.html | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #link only slightly inaccurate agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:03 |
| morgan_ | o/ | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #action jeblair work with Shuo_ to document roadmap location / process | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | ETHANKSGIVING | 22:04 |
| olaph | exactly | 22:04 |
| auggy | o/ | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Nodepool Zookeeper work) | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | we didn't *quite* get the new builder into production | 22:04 |
| jeblair | with the unofficial day-before-thanksgiving holiday, we really only had 2 days last week | 22:05 |
| jeblair | but we still made a lot of progress regardless | 22:05 |
| jeblair | nb01.openstack.org does exist now | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | I heard some disturbing news btw | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | that only one ZK was running | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | I want to point out that this will present significant operational challenges. | 22:06 |
| pabelanger | yes, that is on nodepool.o.o today | 22:06 |
| jeblair | yes, we had that conversation in this meeting last week: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-21-22.01.log.html | 22:06 |
| SpamapS | ZK is not really good at recovering with only one node. | 22:06 |
| * fungi wonders what applications are really good at recovering from the loss of a spof | 22:06 | |
| SpamapS | no no no.. it's worse than everything else I've dealt with that has on disk state. | 22:07 |
| clarkb | again aiui its the same aituation as today with gearman... | 22:07 |
| clarkb | no just igbire recovery | 22:07 |
| clarkb | and move on | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | Unless you're running it in a ramdisk that you clear every time the process starts, it's going to be a _beast_. | 22:07 |
| fungi | i would like to know what igbire was a typo for | 22:07 |
| fungi | because it's an awesome typo | 22:07 |
| clarkb | *ignore | 22:07 |
| mordred | o/ | 22:07 |
| pabelanger | I'd also be concerned if we couldn't get ZK working with a single node too, since all of our testing now is single ZK | 22:07 |
| morgan_ | fungi: lol i was wondering the same thing | 22:07 |
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| fungi | clarkb: okay, sense made. thanks! | 22:08 |
| clarkb | basically its not a regression to "falback" on that behavior | 22:08 |
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| SpamapS | if zookeeper unexpectedly dies for any reason, you'll be left replaying transactions from the last time it successfully gracefully stopped/started. | 22:08 |
| clarkb | and you can have more resiliency if you choose to run more | 22:08 |
| fungi | SpamapS: so basically avoid "dirty start" scenarios and make sure if state is lost then it's really completely lost at start? | 22:08 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: it has no checkpoint function? | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | fungi: correct. If the process is killed in any violent way (VM sudden death, segfault, SIGKILL, etc, you need to clear the on-disk store entirely, or be prepared to wait. | 22:09 |
| mordred | wow. that's awesome | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: It did not 4 years ago. | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | It may have grown one. I don't know. | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | The authors explicitly said "Oh, don't do that." | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | Run 3. | 22:09 |
| clarkb | I guess the difference is we dont also store the info in mysql anymore | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | Or restart a lot. | 22:09 |
| * fungi wonders if harlowja has more recent experiences with such scenarios | 22:09 | |
| harlowja | who what | 22:10 |
| jeblair | well, if it's not possible to run with one, then we probably need to drop zk and use something else | 22:10 |
| fungi | recovering modern versions of zk from a dirty shutdown | 22:10 |
| jeblair | because all-in-one is an explicit design goal | 22:10 |
| mordred | yah. I thought the risk of "one" was just "if you crash, the system won't be up because you crashed" - which is fine for one node | 22:10 |
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| SpamapS | Ah they added snapCount | 22:11 |
| mordred | but if the failure case is "after all crashes in single node you can expect to wait for a complete transaction log replay" - that is not fine for one node | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | ok, so set snapCount low for single-server | 22:11 |
| harlowja | fungi no such experience from me :-P | 22:11 |
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| fungi | harlowja: darn. thanks for jumping in anyway! | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | (apologies, my information is from 2012. | 22:11 |
| harlowja | np | 22:11 |
| harlowja | ha | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | ) | 22:11 |
| mordred | SpamapS: woot! | 22:11 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I'm _very_ glad your info is out of date | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | me too | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | because that was a long 9 hours to recover the juju database for UDS Copenhagen. | 22:11 |
| mordred | SpamapS: is snapCount in the zookeeper config? | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | Yay for no rewrite | 22:11 |
| jeblair | yay we don't have to start over (yet) :) | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: ++ | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | mordred: it is | 22:12 |
| mordred | SpamapS: cool. also - yay 9 hours | 22:12 |
| mordred | SpamapS: can I assume you were ... not happy ? :) | 22:12 |
| harlowja | perhaps u guys want to email the zookeeper ML | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | #link https://zookeeper.apache.org/doc/r3.1.2/zookeeperAdmin.html#sc_configuration | 22:12 |
| harlowja | 2012 was a while ago :-P | 22:12 |
| fungi | i also wonder if we'll be stashing nearly the amount of raw state or churn into nodepool zk as the uds juju db had | 22:12 |
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| jeblair | fungi: not at first, but possibly later on | 22:12 |
| harlowja | http://zookeeper.apache.org/lists.html :) | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | mordred: I was meh, but elmo was very.. very sad. | 22:12 |
| jeblair | fungi: once we put nodes into it, and later, zuul builds | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | anyway, n/m ignore me | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | single server should be fine with lowish snapcount | 22:13 |
| pabelanger | 100,000 appears to be the default | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | This says 10,000 | 22:13 |
| fungi | jeblair: okay, i still have no basis for comparison to know if those are in a similar order of magnitude to whatever uds was doing unfortunately | 22:13 |
| jeblair | well, we learned something we should pay attention to when we build all-in-one deployment tooling | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | But I'd say let's play with it a bit | 22:14 |
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| phschwartz | + | 22:14 |
| phschwartz | ++ | 22:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: er, yeah, let's assume i revise my statement to somehow drop the comparison part and just express relative growth of our use of zk. :) | 22:14 |
| fungi | "dirty shutdown" will certainly be a fun scenario to test | 22:14 |
| clarkb | set it to 1k and wed still onlysnapshot once anhour on averagewith test instances in zk | 22:14 |
| pabelanger | my local testing is all-in-one right now, I can try setting snapcount and killing things | 22:14 |
| fungi | i think we need to set up some sacrificial servers running it and then take a hatchet to their innermost circuits | 22:15 |
| fungi | just to be really, really sure | 22:15 |
| Shrews | fungi: i suggested that last week :) | 22:15 |
| fungi | clearly i'm channeling you | 22:16 |
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| Shrews | fungi: i am mostly dead | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | pretty easy to automate. kill -9 is about as dirty as you can get without offending somebody. ;) | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: that's probably fine. the number of transactions potentially being replayed is the real problem, not the frequency of snap | 22:16 |
| mordred | SpamapS: explain "without offending somebody" ... I've never accomplished that in real life | 22:17 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: I'm offended by that. | 22:17 |
| fungi | having a transaction-based checkpoint option rather than time-based might be nice | 22:17 |
| fungi | but we can always calibrate | 22:17 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I am sure there is some trade off to be matched depending on performance requirements but I just do't think we are in such a situation | 22:17 |
| harlowja | mordred someday u will | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | re: nb01.o.o, it would be great to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403869/ today, then we should be ready to run nodepool-builder on the server. I've added the cinder volume already | 22:18 |
| clarkb | worst case you start without data, and repopulate from cloud api | 22:18 |
| jeblair | so nb01.o.o exists but isn't quite running yet -- pabelanger has kindly agreed to take over driving that so i can make sure i'm available to review zuul patches | 22:18 |
| fungi | clarkb: no, _worst_ case you start without data and let it clean up all the leaked alien nodes/images | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | fungi: no, it _is_ transaction based. So setting it 10x lower is the right solution. | 22:19 |
| fungi | SpamapS: oh! i misread. so yes, it is what i was hoping for | 22:19 |
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| SpamapS | clarkb: agreed. If we get to high-perf it might also make more sense to have 3 since downtime will likely be costing us more too. | 22:19 |
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| SpamapS | and the clients are really good at detecting and failing over. | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, i think we do want to move to 3 eventually, but we want to dog-food one while we still can (and we don't care about the spof issue) | 22:19 |
| jeblair | by the time nodepool itself is no longer a spof, even i will want to run 3 :) | 22:20 |
| fungi | yes, having a resilient cluster for large/high-volume deployments sounds fine | 22:20 |
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| pabelanger | shouldn't be much to stand up the other 2 servers too, the puppet-zookeeper module looks to support it | 22:20 |
| fungi | but being unable to effectively set up an all-in-one deployment for "small" or test sites is also something we want to be possible | 22:21 |
| fungi | s/unable/able/ | 22:21 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think i agree with what you were trying to say there :) | 22:21 |
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| pabelanger | ++ | 22:22 |
| jeblair | so if folks can heed pabelanger's request to quickly review deployment-blocking changes, we should be able to start running this soon and get actual experience with it | 22:22 |
| jeblair | Shrews, pabelanger: anything else about nodepool-zk? | 22:23 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: it would be good to finish our pause build / upload logic this week | 22:23 |
| pabelanger | if possible | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | is there a topic to focus on? | 22:23 |
| Shrews | pabelanger found a json exception failure that disturbes me greatly. i have no explanation for it as it should not be possible | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | (a gerrit topic I mean) | 22:24 |
| fungi | should be the one indicated in the spec. checking | 22:24 |
| jeblair | fungi: well, we switched to just using feature/zuulv3 branch, specwise | 22:24 |
| jeblair | so we can set a topic for deployment things if we want | 22:24 |
| fungi | oh, right-o | 22:24 |
| fungi | and http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/nodepool-zookeeper-workers.html doesn't actually have the part from the template where a topic is documented | 22:25 |
| jeblair | but right now, it's just one change i think | 22:25 |
| jeblair | fungi: was replaced with http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/nodepool-zookeeper-workers.html#gerrit-branch | 22:25 |
| pabelanger | Ya, just 403869 right now | 22:25 |
| fungi | yep, thanks | 22:25 |
| clarkb | (which already has one +2 so its close :) ) | 22:26 |
| fungi | branch:feature/zuulv3 | 22:26 |
| jeblair | yeah, i mostly wanted to make sure people were aware that pabelanger may come with further requests like that :) | 22:26 |
| fungi | ...is what we have in our priority efforts query | 22:26 |
| Shrews | 400970 should also land before a production run | 22:26 |
| jeblair | Shrews: probably a good idea, yeah :) | 22:27 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/403869 | 22:27 |
| * clarkb adds that to the list | 22:27 | |
| pabelanger | Shrews: ack, will look | 22:27 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/400970 | 22:27 |
| clarkb | I like the shade error on the integration test for that | 22:28 |
| clarkb | wee floating IPs | 22:28 |
| mordred | yah | 22:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: that's happening more frequently now | 22:28 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+branch:feature/zuulv3 | 22:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: like, frequently enough that we may need to investigate it for real | 22:28 |
| clarkb | mordred: awesome | 22:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: yah. that's one word for it | 22:29 |
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| jeblair | mordred: like, a problem crept into nova/neutron? | 22:29 |
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| clarkb | oh and now its apparently in merge conflict | 22:30 |
| clarkb | Shrews: ^ | 22:30 |
| fungi | s/crept/stumbled drunkenly while carrying a battleaxe/ | 22:30 |
| Shrews | clarkb: fixing | 22:30 |
| jeblair | well, lets move on... | 22:30 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Zuul test enablement) | 22:30 |
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| jeblair | there are many patches! i *think* i'm caught up on reviews for these now | 22:31 |
| mordred | yay! | 22:31 |
| jeblair | if i missed something, or anyone needs me to pitch in on something, please let me know | 22:31 |
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| Shrews | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/400836 | 22:33 |
| jeblair | Shrews: yeah, i'm almost, but not quite, caught up on nodepool patches | 22:33 |
| jamielennox | jeblair: an opinion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400003/ - but it's not urgent | 22:33 |
| Shrews | just needs a +2. we can figure out the positive alien test case later | 22:33 |
| pabelanger | yay for patches merging | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | I still have a few in merge conflict, I'll try and clean them up tonight / tomorrow | 22:35 |
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| jeblair | jamielennox: yeah, i can do that -- that's also similar to another thing that came up recently -- i think it was the path to clouds.yaml so that the cli commands could work correctly... | 22:36 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: is there a reason you added that on the master branch though, instead of zuulv3? | 22:36 |
| clarkb | also pabelanger has comments on it | 22:36 |
| jeblair | (that is the reason i did not see the change) | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | jeblair: not specifically, it applies to both and figured it would get merged in but i probably should have done it on v3 | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | Ya, could have used that patch recently :) have diskimage-builder in a different venv, but ended up writing a wrapper script to properly source things | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | but, like the idea of defining the location of disk-image-create | 22:38 |
| * clarkb uses symlinks to solve this problem fwiw | 22:38 | |
| jamielennox | ours is similar but we're running nodepool from systemd via the ../venv/bin/ path and so it has no PATH to dib | 22:38 |
| clarkb | works great for virtualenv and git-review | 22:38 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: yup thats exactly the solution ^ | 22:38 |
| pabelanger | jamielennox: I do the same, we should compare things :) | 22:38 |
| fungi | i do exactly the same for _everything i pip install | 22:38 |
| jamielennox | yea, can always symlink it into /bin or currently we're modifying the PATH in the unit, but this just seemed easier | 22:39 |
| fungi | heck, i have ~/bin/pip as a symlink to ~/pyenvs/pip/bin/pip where the latest version of pip is installed | 22:39 |
| jlk | We could also expose things using update-alternatives | 22:39 |
| jamielennox | there's a bunch of ways :) i figured i'd float this and see what people thought | 22:39 |
| jlk | (which puts things in the path) | 22:39 |
| * mordred likes the jamielennox patch - but that's probably clear because of the +2 | 22:40 | |
| fungi | (though the example makes more sense with ~/bin/virtualenv symlinked to ~/pyenvs/virtualenv/bin/virtualenv which i use to create all the other virtualenvs) | 22:40 |
| greghaynes | jamielennox: huh, dib should be in the venv, I must be missing something... | 22:40 |
| jeblair | i definitely think we should be able to configure things like this. i think the ongoing tension is whether it should be in nodepool.yaml or a different file. | 22:40 |
| greghaynes | but I can check that out later | 22:40 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 22:40 |
| jamielennox | greghaynes: the venv isn't activated we're just running the python out of the venv directly and dib is being invoked as an application not a python module | 22:41 |
| mordred | yah. that would do it for sure | 22:41 |
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| greghaynes | ah. Theres a thought that in the (very near) future dib will have a python api | 22:41 |
| greghaynes | its part of v2 | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | jlk: ya, that would be good too. I should try that in my local env | 22:41 |
| clarkb | I guess my only concern is that we don't bake in a bunch of functionality that already exists in the OS (basically avoid redundant tooling) | 22:41 |
| jeblair | it's worth noting that in openstack's case, we have a configuration/content separation by way of the system-config and project-config repos. project-config repo reviewers review 'content' like what things are installed in what diskimages, and what clouds are in use. | 22:41 |
| clarkb | so yes I agree yuo should be able to configure this, and you can via $PATH | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: I have to agree with you there. Setting PATH is a pretty standard thing. | 22:42 |
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| ianw | yeah, with dib v2 you could conceivably "import diskimage_builder" and run the main() from python | 22:42 |
| greghaynes | yep | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | That we have PATH insanity because of virtualenvs is a relatively new idea. | 22:42 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Agree, if people are opposed adding it to nodepool.yaml, symlinks or PATH is a great option too | 22:42 |
| clarkb | but I don't feel strongly enough to prevent anyone from adding that to nodepool | 22:43 |
| jamielennox | yep, there's a bunch of deploy specific ways to solve this - i don't mind what we do, just thought i'd propose it | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | Same | 22:43 |
| jeblair | nodepool has so little configuration that isn't content that nearly everything is in nodepool.yaml. i'm okay with adding non-secret configuration to nodepool.yaml. but likely the more of it that is more "system" focused rather than "project" focused may push me toward moving that to its own file. | 22:43 |
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| ianw | jamielennox: there is sort of the question of why dib can't be installed in the same virtualenv as your nodepool-builder ... it's kind of odd to have them split? | 22:44 |
| jeblair | but even today, we have the zmq and zk servers in there, so it's already a mix of the two. | 22:44 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: ya | 22:45 |
| fungi | could just have nodepool take a list of conffiles and merge the yaml-parsed dict (what to do with duplicate keys is the main concern there) | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | seems like the patch deserves discussion in the review | 22:45 |
| jeblair | ianw: (indeed it should be already -- it's a dependency) | 22:45 |
| fungi | that would allow anyone to split up their configuration along whatever lines make sense | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | (not that I'm not enjoying this discussion.. but this does feel like an IRC review of the patch. :) | 22:46 |
| fungi | though this is all straying pretty far from the topic of reenabling zuul tests | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | ianw: I have tested nodepool and diskimage-builder in the same venv, issue rises if you don't source the venv first and just call ./venv/bin/nodepool-builder, diskimage-create no in path | 22:46 |
| jeblair | any other zuul test enablement status updates? | 22:47 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:47 |
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| ianw | pabelanger: ok ... let's #zuul this | 22:47 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: what did you have in mind for this part of the agenda? | 22:48 |
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| jeblair | i don't think we've actually exercised this since our agenda-brainstorm | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: A quick rundown of the board and a chance for people to review it and speak up if they want to move things around. | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: yeah I have been dealing with meatspace things. ;) | 22:49 |
| jeblair | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:49 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: my thing in progress is actually done | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | So, if I can ask everyone to just take a look at that board, and consider whether anything needs to be added, removed, or moved. | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: woot | 22:49 |
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| SpamapS | Shrews: moved | 22:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll move the devstack-gate roles refactoring to in-progress | 22:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | i have a long-list of dependent changes now | 22:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | and pabelanger also did some stutff on that iirc | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: I just added you as a user of the board, so you should be able to move things now. | 22:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | cool, thx | 22:51 |
| pabelanger | rcarrillocruz: Yes, I've seen your patches. Want to do some reviews on that, maybe work with clarkb to see how we can run them today | 22:51 |
| jeblair | Shrews: i think phschwartz is 'in-progress' on 2000770 | 22:52 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: pabelanger random scan of that shows they fail a lot | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | feels like the general story of "nodepool changes" needs to be fleshed out and maybe moved to in progress? | 22:52 |
| phschwartz | jeblair: I am. I have implemented the base of a DAG locally and will be pushing a WIP up soon. | 22:52 |
| clarkb | I guess that further up the stack | 22:52 |
| fungi | reviewing the state of the "Zuulv3 Operational" board seems like an excellent way to so the progress summary portion of the agenda. great idea | 22:52 |
| Shrews | jeblair: that's for SpamapS, i guess | 22:52 |
| fungi | s/so/do/ | 22:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, working on them, i'll ping you later on what is good to review for now | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: which one is 2000770 .. it's hard to find a number on that board. ;) | 22:53 |
| jeblair | Shrews: yep, I got S'd | 22:53 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think phschwartz is 'in-progress' on 2000770 | 22:53 |
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| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: one quick comment, these changes don't actually seem to use the new playbooks, Can you organize it so that every chagne is self testing? I don't want to review and merge a bunch of dead code | 22:53 |
| jhesketh | SpamapS: could you add me to the board as well please so I can track the branch merging progress | 22:53 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: or am I missing something important? | 22:54 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: well, story 768 is referring to the next phase of zuul-nodepool work which we are not yet ready to start | 22:55 |
| phschwartz | SpamapS: it is the dependency graph work. | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: OH.. so the stuff going on now isn't that? Ok, I'll move it back to backlog. | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | jhesketh: added | 22:56 |
| jhesketh | thanks :-) | 22:56 |
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| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: i started doing roles in independent changes, then created the 'ansibly' changes, that actually dpend on those role changes and replace code from d-g bash | 22:56 |
| SpamapS | phschwartz: I need a title | 22:56 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: I'd prefer we don't do it that way, its too hard to review | 22:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | but i can do everything self-testing by merging them | 22:56 |
| SpamapS | or was it not even in the board yet? | 22:56 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: I would make each thing its own chagne that adds the playbook and uses it | 22:56 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: phschwartz dag work is titled "Forward port..." | 22:56 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: should probably be retitled :) | 22:57 |
| clarkb | d-g is self testing so you should be able to see upfront what does and doesn't work | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | Ah ok | 22:58 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: and yeah, the stuff now is nodepool-builder. the next thing is nodepool-launcher along with updated zuul-nodepool protocol. next step in that is to refresh/approve this spec: https://review.openstack.org/305506 but we want to really run nodepool-builder first so we have a chance to make any changes based on real-world use of zookeeper | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | phschwartz: I assigned the task to you and marked it in progress. It would help if you can reference the story: and task: in commit messages. :) | 22:58 |
| phschwartz | SpamapS: will do. | 22:58 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: ok I see how this works, I think it would be easier to grok if we made each thing enable + new playbook | 22:58 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: ok I'll try and update that story a bit to explain what it is. | 22:59 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think 767 is the story for current nodepool work | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I added "Make job trees into graphs" to 'todo'. | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: k I'll add that too | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | we're running out of time | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | anything else urgent? | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | I want to let peple go | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | people | 23:00 |
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| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 23:00:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-28-22.02.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-28-22.02.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-11-28-22.02.log.html | 23:00 |
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