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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 22 13:03:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 13:03 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:03 |
| number80 | o/ (not very responsive though) | 13:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov toabctl jpena | 13:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's spend some time on agenda :) | 13:05 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, let's start | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic mistral & keystone reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396262/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/ | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mistral & keystone reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396262/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/ (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| IgorYozhikov | 1. keystone | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | I updated PR according to dork comments | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | is there any additional questions related to keystone service package template? | 13:08 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just have a wish to finish with 1st couple of services before NY | 13:10 |
| dirk | I looked through the diff to our packaging and it is huge | 13:11 |
| dirk | basically what is missing here is the config.d change that we did meanwhile | 13:11 |
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| dirk | and some package splitting we did | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, if you remember keystone is running under apache | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | we discussed this i believe a month ago | 13:12 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, what? the config thing? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | I remember that toabctl was asking about configs | 13:12 |
| toabctl | I fixed that on oslo.config meanwhile.And we create now in the package a conf.d/ dir and also a README.config to describe thestructure | 13:13 |
| toabctl | see https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/Cloud:OpenStack:Newton/openstack-keystone/README.config?expand=1 | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, toabctl you were asking about how keystone search configs when it launched under apache | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and I answered that I just put configs under folder where keystone expects them | 13:14 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yeah, I remember that keystone runs in a WSGI app :) | 13:14 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yes. and I fixed it in oslo.config. it is http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/oslo.config/unreleased.html#id3 | 13:14 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ah, cool, so could you suggest a proper change in keystone case? I'll replicate such approach to the rest of newly uploaded services. | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | just didn't know that this functionality already available | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | here I just want to understand next, I'll create conf.d folder | 13:18 |
| toabctl | I can update the keystone changeset | 13:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | should I copy all configs there instead of /etc/keystone? | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, that's will be awesome | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, is conf.d folder only one improvement required here? | 13:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | you mentioned huge diff | 13:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | does it means that we in project templates need to support as WSGI for apache as uWSGI for systemd possibilities? | 13:21 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, due to the conf.d thing? no | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | here I can suggest an additional sub-package like keystone-service 4 example which is going to provide systemd unit for uWSGI app. | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just clarifying | 13:22 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: well, I'm still working through the diff. what I noticed is that in the suse packaging we include var/cache/keystone/* and so on | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | question is: should we support both cases, or only one with apache? | 13:23 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: and we have splitted off a -test package | 13:23 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, only apache | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, thanx - life became easier :) | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, toabctl, if you have something to add - please post your thought into PR(keystone) & I'll try to address them | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok and what about mistral | 13:27 |
| dirk | thx | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/ | 13:27 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, if that is ok for you, I can just update the template with conf.d and some dirs we usually add. | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, sure | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | As I remember dirk wanted to clarify something for mistral | 13:28 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: not afaik. I said I'm fine with merging any state that buidls and allows to build mistralclient | 13:28 |
| dirk | for mistral I have no idea I was waiting for someone from red hat toc omment | 13:29 |
| * dirk has never looked at mistral and never packaged it before | 13:29 | |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, got it | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | jpena, ^^^^ | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | as I know mistral is required for 3ple O | 13:29 |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov: ack, I'll review it. I see it builds fine | 13:29 |
| d0ugal | TripleO :) | 13:30 |
| jpena | yes, it was needed by tripleo-common | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, ok, will look forward for your comments, thanx | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | moving forward | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic - further plan for dev core | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | As I remember one of Ocata goals is packaged dev core | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | do we have any plan for this? | 13:32 |
| * dirk would like to package additional stuff but its all waiting for keystone I think | 13:32 | |
| dirk | well, no, haven't really looked | 13:32 |
| dirk | I'll see what I can get to with a few minutes of time | 13:32 |
| jpena | me neither | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | I understand that we are elaborating proper ways to package services in a way suitable for all.Hope next steps will be easier | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, just want to be sure that we will work on different projects just to do not spend time working on same project | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic - new pymod2pkg release needed? | 13:36 |
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| jpena | yes, I'd like to get a new pymod2pkg release to include the latest fixes, and also a renderspec one for the OFL patch | 13:37 |
| toabctl | jpena, ok. I'll trigger both and ping number80 to review it | 13:37 |
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| jpena | thx! | 13:37 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic - Open Floor | 13:38 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I have a topic | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | further meetings schedule | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | next week in Catholic world looks like holidays | 13:39 |
| toabctl | I'll be out next week | 13:39 |
| jpena | we have an office closure in Red Hat, I'll be out for two weeks | 13:40 |
| number80 | toabctl: ack | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'll be working up to 30th because we have holidays from 1 to 9th of Jan | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | looks like by different reason we could skip meeting up to 2 weeks, right? | 13:42 |
| jpena | +1 | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | so next meeting Jan 11th | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry 12th | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, dirk, toabctl, your thoughts ^^^ | 13:43 |
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| toabctl | works for me | 13:44 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #agreed - next meeting Jan 12th 2017 | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm out of topics | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | anything else we want to discuss? | 13:48 |
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| jpena | nothing from my side, just happy holidays to everyone! | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep, c u all next year. Happy holidays!!! | 13:50 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 22 13:52:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-22-13.03.html | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-22-13.03.txt | 13:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-22-13.03.log.html | 13:52 |
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| dstepanenko | help | 14:09 |
| dstepanenko | sorry guys :) | 14:09 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: hello | 14:10 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: hey! Are we going to have weekly meeting today? | 14:10 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: yeah, but ptl should have a forget it. we start it | 14:11 |
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| yangyapeng | #startmeeting freezer | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 22 14:11:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yangyapeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:11 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: oh, ok :) | 14:11 |
| raliev | dstepanenko, yangyapeng hey everyone :) | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: I see you have a new patch about backup nova/cinder to local? | 14:12 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: it's about doing backup into remote physical storage via ssh | 14:13 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: OK, thanks dstepanenko, This is very meaningful。 | 14:14 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: i should have a test about it. | 14:15 |
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| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: ok | 14:16 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: do you have more topic to discuss? | 14:22 |
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| raliev | yangyapeng, from my side I've prepared spec and patch regarding rsync support | 14:23 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: there's a patch from raliev related to rsync https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409796/ | 14:23 |
| raliev | and the spec - https://review.openstack.org/413638 | 14:23 |
| yangyapeng | raliev: ok , thanks | 14:23 |
| yangyapeng | i will review it :) | 14:25 |
| raliev | yangyapeng, thank you :) | 14:25 |
| raliev | there are not small patches, so it would take some time for review them :) | 14:26 |
| yangyapeng | yeah, I will checkout the patch and test it. | 14:26 |
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| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: thanks! | 14:27 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: hello | 14:39 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: yep, I'm here | 14:39 |
| yangyapeng | i have a test to backup cinder to ssh remote host | 14:39 |
| dstepanenko | so, did it work on your setup? | 14:39 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: yeah it is ok, but it is slowly, | 14:40 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: because it is a raw disk_format | 14:40 |
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| dstepanenko | so, do you see any ways to speed it up? | 14:40 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: if we have a big cinder-volume to backup to ssh remote host, it can be copy volume virtual size | 14:41 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: as usual, we have cinder/nova in kvm, wether we can backup have a qcow2 disk to backup. | 14:43 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: if we have a volume virtual size is 500G, but disk size is 10M, Although there is some empty in disk. | 14:45 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: but it should copy all to ssh remote host | 14:45 |
| slashme | Hi all. Sorry, I was in another meeting. | 14:46 |
| yangyapeng | hello slashme | 14:46 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: ok, so as far as I understood, we should get real size of disk and use it instead of virtual size. Is that right? | 14:46 |
| dstepanenko | slashme: hey | 14:46 |
| slashme | I'll take some time to review the rsync patch an the ssh patch next week. | 14:46 |
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| dstepanenko | slashme: thanks! | 14:47 |
| raliev | slashme, hey, thank you :) | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: yeah, This is a different backup local, | 14:47 |
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| slashme | As szaher said for the ssh one. We need to find a way to do the copy without loading the full file in memory | 14:48 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: maybe, we can have a real size to transfer | 14:48 |
| dstepanenko | slashme: he pointed to code which was copying metadata file | 14:49 |
| dstepanenko | which itsn't that big | 14:49 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: yeah. but it have other question, if we have a raw disk to transfer | 14:49 |
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| slashme | dstepanenko: you are right :) | 14:51 |
| dstepanenko | slashme: :) | 14:51 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: correct me, if I'm wrong, backup to local also face the same problem, doesn't it? So, we need to enhance it for both backup mods | 14:53 |
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| dstepanenko | I mean - for local and ssh backup | 14:53 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: yeah, | 14:57 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: it have a big space to used,but if we use swift(ceph), it should be raw, so wether we should reslove it | 14:58 |
| dstepanenko | yangyapeng: so, let's move it into separate feature and cover both cases. Probably, there are some cases which we forget about | 14:58 |
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| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: :) | 14:59 |
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| slashme | Good. | 15:00 |
| slashme | It's time. | 15:00 |
| yangyapeng | we can have more discuss in irc #openstack-freezer | 15:00 |
| yangyapeng | thank you everyone | 15:00 |
| slashme | yangyapeng: can you close the meeting please | 15:00 |
| * bswartz waves to freezer team | 15:00 | |
| yangyapeng | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 22 15:01:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| slashme | Thank you for chairing this one :) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-22-14.11.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-22-14.11.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-22-14.11.log.html | 15:01 |
| slashme | Merry chistmas to you all :) | 15:01 |
| bswartz | :) | 15:01 |
| dstepanenko | merry Christmas :) | 15:01 |
| yangyapeng | Merry chistmas | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 22 15:01:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
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| tommylikehu_ | Merry xmas | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| ravichandran | hi | 15:02 |
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| markstur | hi | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | We passed the driver proposal freeze this monday | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | it looks like we have 3 new drivers to consider this cycle | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | also due to the holidays I think we should cancel the meeting next week | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I know at least 5 cores will be on vacation | 15:04 |
| bswartz | and I'm guessing the rest will probably be too | 15:04 |
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| xyang1 | I am on vacation too | 15:04 |
| tommylikehu_ | cool | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay so it's an easy decision | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #info Dec 29 meeting cancelled | 15:04 |
| bswartz | Next meeting should be Jan 5 then | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I know some people will still be on vacation that week but with FPF coming up Jan 9 we need to meet that week | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic specs implementaion status | 15:06 |
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| ganso | bswartz: isn't FPF Jan 12th? | 15:06 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:06 |
| vkmc | hi hi | 15:06 |
| bswartz | ganso "week of" Jan 9th | 15:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: oh ok | 15:06 |
| bswartz | personally I'd prefer we do freezes on mondays instead of thursdays but I didn't announce an exact date this cycle | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so it can be thursday | 15:07 |
| bswartz | okay let's talk about specs | 15:08 |
| bswartz | thankfully we got our specs straightened out last week due to a last minute push | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | the bad news is that we have almost no time to review the implementations | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and implementation of some specs is blocked by dependencies | 15:08 |
| bswartz | the goal of the specs process was to limit what we focus on to conserve review time, but we're in danger of still having too much code to review | 15:09 |
| bswartz | please prioritize review of high priority spec implementations over low priority ones | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila-specs/blob/master/priorities/ocata-priorities.rst | 15:10 |
| bswartz | THOSE ARE HIGH PRIORITY SPECS | 15:10 |
| bswartz | HOLD ON CAPS LOCK IS STUCK | 15:11 |
| ganso | lol | 15:11 |
| bswartz | that's better | 15:11 |
| markstur | :) | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: do you have any changes related to the scenario tests specs that are waiting? | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; no | 15:12 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: have you submitted any patches for eliminate race conditions? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | xyang1: that one is next | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: both changes I had has been merged | 15:12 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | s/has/have/ | 15:12 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: so everything for ocata is done? | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: according to time ranges, Iguess yes | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:13 |
| bswartz | regarding race conditions, this is the next patch that needs to land: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318336/ | 15:13 |
| bswartz | I'm working on that review | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we need some others with tooz experience (other than tbarron and gouthamr, who are authors on that change) | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | do we have an etherpad that lists all the code patches associated with high priority specs? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | xyang1: no, would that be helpful? | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | yes | 15:14 |
| bswartz | do we already have an etherpad we can reuse? | 15:15 |
| * bswartz goes looking | 15:15 | |
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| markstur | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus | 15:15 |
| xyang1 | we could add code patches to this spec | 15:15 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:16 |
| bswartz | awesome | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu_ | it's not the high priority ones | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | yeah I need to add the specst hat merged last week at the top of this list | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I won't take up our meeting time doing that though | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay access rules | 15:17 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: any patches waiting for review? | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: nope.. i haven't pushed one of the patches and the parent patch needs an update too | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: so, not ready yet. hoping to get it in soon | 15:18 |
| bswartz | okay and ipv6 is on my list for review | 15:18 |
| * bswartz finds link | 15:18 | |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312321/ | 15:19 |
| ganso | bswartz: are we going to discuss spec details in this meeting? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ganso: there shouldn't be any details to discuss... | 15:20 |
| bswartz | ganso: oh you're referring to the proposed changes to mountable snapshots | 15:20 |
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| ganso | bswartz: not only that, there is one detail I don't fully agree in the access rules spec, we could discuss the possibility of a change | 15:21 |
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| ganso | bswartz: there was some discussion in the channel yesterday | 15:21 |
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| ganso | bswartz: we could come back to it after going through all the specs | 15:22 |
| bswartz | okay well one of the goals of the specs process was to get all the design decisions out of the way before the spec merged -- so in theory we should leave the spec the way it is | 15:22 |
| bswartz | however we do make mistakes | 15:22 |
| bswartz | ganso: okay we can come back to that topic | 15:23 |
| bswartz | regarding ipv6, any other patches looking for review? | 15:23 |
| tommylikehu_ | sure | 15:24 |
| tommylikehu_ | I will add these in the etherpad | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we can move on then | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | #topic 24 hour rule | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: you added this? | 15:26 |
| tbarron | Recently I was reminded of the manila "24 hour agreement" w.r.t. +A workflow. I either hadn't been told it or forgot it, and it seems other cores were in my same boat, so it seemed we should briefly review it here. | 15:26 |
| tbarron | just a quick statement for common understanding | 15:26 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: ^^ | 15:26 |
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| gouthamr | 24 hour agreement? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | this agreement isn't just for manila it's across the whole community right? | 15:27 |
| xyang1 | I have not heard about its before | 15:27 |
| tommylikehu_ | what's that | 15:27 |
| ravichandran | whats that | 15:27 |
| bswartz | maybe the 24-hour rule only exists in a few people's heads | 15:27 |
| markstur | it's from vponomaryov's secret club rules | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | long time ago we agreed to not merge changes before 24 hours pass after its uploading | 15:27 |
| tbarron | bswartz: seems to be something old-timers know and new-timers don't | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | with exception of merging blocker fixes | 15:28 |
| cknight | tbarron: so you're saying you're a new-timer? | 15:28 |
| xyang1 | I don't think I am that new:) | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | the goal - allow people from various time zones to react | 15:28 |
| tbarron | cknight: and old-old-timers forget | 15:28 |
| cknight | xyang1: You're newer than tbarron :-) | 15:28 |
| xyang1 | am I?:) | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | yeah this is one of those "common courtesy" rules which is that since many of us are on strange time zones, in order to give everyone a chance to at least look at new patches we don't merge new things in less than 24 hours | 15:29 |
| tbarron | xyang1: in OpenStack years you are my elder :D | 15:29 |
| vkmc | is there documentation wrt reviewing in Manila (including this rules)? | 15:29 |
| vkmc | maybe in some wiki | 15:29 |
| tommylikehu_ | 24-hours delay? | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | tbarron :) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | it's mainly to avoid stuff slipping by, except for gate fixes | 15:29 |
| ganso | is it for changes or patchsets? | 15:30 |
| xyang1 | I remember long time ago eharney had said something like this in Cinder | 15:30 |
| bswartz | it's mostly about making sure everyone has a chance to look at changes if they want to | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it is for "+A" button | 15:30 |
| ganso | if it is for changes, a new patchset that changes drastically the code could get merged | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: and mostly was about commit | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | only seen trivial fixes being merged within a short time.. is this a new concern here? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I think the question is what about a change that's been up for a while, and then a new patchset comes in | 15:30 |
| bswartz | are you expecting us to wait 24 hours after the last patchset? or just 24 hours since the change was created? | 15:31 |
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| gouthamr | i mean TrivialFixes usually merge within 1 or two patchsets, and without having to pass all third party CIs | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: personally, I consider diff with previous PSs | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: for other reviewers and my own | 15:31 |
| bswartz | because lots of times a change has been up for a while, then someone reviews it and -1 and the author addresses the comments right away | 15:32 |
| bswartz | then asks for +2 based on changes | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: do you have a specific example that the patch was merged too quickly? I think this could depends on what the patch is about | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: recently - one of commits merged by tbarron | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: only by him | 15:33 |
| bswartz | ninja'd? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: no blame, just fact ) | 15:33 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: but that is breaking another rule mostly | 15:33 |
| markstur | he named names | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | okay tbarron, no gifts for you this year | 15:34 |
| markstur | but this is how we learned about the mythical 24h rule | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: maybe he is the one who presents gifts? )) | 15:34 |
| ganso | we may need to call the OpenStack Police Department | 15:34 |
| tbarron | I don't remember the change, it didn't seem a big deal at the time :D | 15:34 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: LOL | 15:34 |
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| * gouthamr tbarron is the one who knocks | 15:34 | |
| tbarron | but I have not problem following the rule if we all know what it is | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it was the hand of destiny, now everyone know the RULE | 15:35 |
| bswartz | tbarron: personally I think some judgement is needed | 15:35 |
| bswartz | there are probably changes that this rule doesn't need to apply do, and some where it's VERY IMPORTANT | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: +1 | 15:35 |
| vkmc | ganso, lol | 15:35 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: can you re-arrange the letters in tbarron to spell santa? No that'd be too obvious. | 15:35 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: I think it really depends on what change it is | 15:35 |
| tbarron | as a matter of common sense I don't do +2+A on stuff that I think others should examine. | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | ok, everyone disagree with t he rule? | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | /disagree/agree/ =) | 15:36 |
| markstur | I think it is good to talk about | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the key thing to remember is that some people wake up every day and look at all the new patches, and if you merge something in less than 24 hours you might be denying those people a chance to register their opinion | 15:36 |
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| xyang1 | vponomaryov: I think we have to see what patch it is | 15:37 |
| bswartz | so our of courtesy to your fellow cores, don't be in a hurry to workflow new things | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | +1 -> applies to TrivialFix as well? | 15:37 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: whether it is controversial or a simple change | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: it happens that commit called trivial is not indeed | 15:37 |
| bswartz | this isn't a written-down rules it's more about courtesy | 15:37 |
| bswartz | and I agree that "trivial" is a judgement call we might not agree on | 15:38 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: if it is not Trivial it shouldn't have been merged as Trivial, the 24h rule is not the problem here | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: if we have 2 +2 made by mistake in 1 hour? | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: then it is | 15:39 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: which patch is it | 15:39 |
| vkmc | IMHO there is place for a lot of subjectivity to play in with this... what is considered trivial here? | 15:39 |
| vkmc | why you directly don't impose something like... 2 +2 are needed and then the WF+1 should be done by a different core? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | vkmc: the main criteria for a trivial fix is that everyone agrees that it's trivial | 15:39 |
| markstur | or just tbarron | 15:40 |
| bswartz | vkmc: I don't want to make our rules more complicated | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | vkmc: and to be able to agree or disagree I should catch this train first | 15:40 |
| vkmc | bswartz, +1 | 15:40 |
| ganso | vkmc: that's already imposed | 15:40 |
| ganso | vkmc: oh nevermind the different WF +1 is not imposed | 15:40 |
| vkmc | ganso, np | 15:41 |
| bswartz | okay so have we covered this topic enough? | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | and little clarification | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | not 2 +2, but 2 +2 from 2 different companies | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | at least | 15:41 |
| tbarron | yeah, that one I know :D | 15:41 |
| vkmc | yup, I knew about that rule :) | 15:41 |
| bswartz | yeah that restriction only applies to me, cknight, and gouthamr currently | 15:41 |
| bswartz | to prevent netapp from weilding unchecked power | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay I see one other topic was added to the agenda | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #topic Manila CI Tempest Test Cases are Failing | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | ravichandran: what did you want to say about this? | 15:43 |
| ravichandran | I am observing few CI tempest test cases are failing randomly . Just want to know whether anything changed in last 2 to 3 weeks related CI which requires individual driver changes. | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | ravichandran: which CI jobs are you talking about? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ravichandran: can you tell us which tests and/or link to some jobs that illustrate this? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | stuff has definitely changed, but mostly fixes to make things better | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | ravichandran: we have lots of third-party CIs that fail | 15:44 |
| ravichandran | HPE | 15:44 |
| ravichandran | oh ok I will email the details | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | email? whom? | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | for such cases, just ask for help in manila chat | 15:46 |
| xyang1 | email to markstur:) | 15:46 |
| ravichandran | :) | 15:47 |
| markstur | xyang1: hey! | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: he has IBM badge now )) | 15:47 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | :) | 15:47 |
| bswartz | you can quit HP but you can never leave | 15:47 |
| markstur | There was a devstack CI breakage that folks were fixing. I have a note that says see IRC logs Dec 6. Checking. | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | HPkudza? ) | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t3evzz4gbm7gql9u3x2t.gif | 15:48 |
| vkmc | aahaha | 15:49 |
| ravichandran | :) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay hopefully we can get ravichandran's CI sorted out offline | 15:49 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | anything else then for today? | 15:49 |
| ganso | bswartz: are we going to discuss the access rules spec detail in the channel? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | oh crap | 15:50 |
| bswartz | yes I said we'd come back to that | 15:50 |
| bswartz | let's cover it now | 15:50 |
| markstur | ravichandran: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-manila/%23openstack-manila.2016-12-06.log.html | 15:50 |
| bswartz | we have 10 minutes | 15:50 |
| ganso | ok so, as some of you know, the mountable snapshot spec has a problem regarding access rules | 15:50 |
| ganso | it was proposed with the old approach allow/deny driver_interfaces | 15:50 |
| ganso | so I am reworking that | 15:50 |
| markstur | ravichandran: If it broke back then. Some CIs had to move from "post-extra" to "test-config" | 15:50 |
| ganso | while I was doing that, I noticed that the new spec proposed for access rules does not handle recovery mode anymore in scenarios other than driver restarts | 15:51 |
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| ganso | At Tokyo, one of our main motivations (and one of the main motivations for me to rewrite the old approach to the new update_access approach) is that we needed the recovery mode to fix invalid access rules in the backend | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | markstur ravichandran: careful with that change though, you only need to do that on "master" and not stable branches | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ganso: we have a long-pending topic about ensure_share and general cleanup actions | 15:52 |
| ganso | in my opinion, restarting a service to fix access rules in a backend is too drastic | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: I think this is unrelated to ensure_share, at least considering the current scope of that | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ganso: IMO it's important that driverse have the capability to correct access errors whether we use it or not | 15:53 |
| tbarron | ganso: can you remind us why some backends need recovery mode? | 15:53 |
| tbarron | ganso: and how it works? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | ganso: mostly I'm thinking about when a manager service is killed while modifying an access rule | 15:53 |
| bswartz | ganso: upon restarting, we should easily be able to detect that that happend | 15:53 |
| bswartz | ganso: and it's important that we can roll-forward the pending access change | 15:54 |
| ganso | tbarron: if a backend cannot add/delete an error-ed rule for some reason | 15:54 |
| tbarron | ganso: so it flushes all rules and rebuilds from the DB? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | ganso: or at the very least, when the *next* access rule change comes, it should cause the access rules for that share to be rationalized | 15:55 |
| markstur | If I try to create an access rule and it fails. Then I have an error status. Then an attempt to delete it, does "recovery"/"resync". | 15:55 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes | 15:55 |
| tbarron | ganso: so we have two use cases then, yours and bswartz's | 15:55 |
| bswartz | guys I'm not talking about cases where bugs cause the rule modifaction to fail outright | 15:56 |
| * gouthamr is in a standup meeting.. will react to scrollback in a bit | 15:56 | |
| bswartz | I'm talking about the case where we don't know if the operation completed or not because the service simply died while the thread was still down in the driver | 15:56 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, I agree that's a real use case. Also a driver might for its own reasons want a full refresh. | 15:56 |
| ganso | tbarron: we add and remove rules while we don't exactly know what is in the backend, we believe it is always in sync with the manila DB, but it may run out of sync | 15:57 |
| tbarron | with the new spec, the DB state is fully set in the API service. So full state (what is there, plus any pending operations) could be pushed to the driver. | 15:57 |
| tbarron | ^^ when there is a need | 15:58 |
| bswartz | yes that's the main point of the driver interface change | 15:58 |
| tbarron | not for routine updates | 15:58 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes, we need to define triggers for that. According to the spec, the only trigger is a driver restart | 15:58 |
| ganso | tbarron: s/driver/service | 15:58 |
| tbarron | driver could return a code to manager asking for a refresh. | 15:58 |
| bswartz | if we always tell the driver the complete set of rules, and the driver is able to push those to the backend, it becomes impossible to get out of sync | 15:58 |
| bswartz | the first if is easy -- we've done it | 15:59 |
| bswartz | the second if depends on the backend APIs and the driver code | 15:59 |
| ganso | bswartz: but the implementations follow one of two paths: they don't look at the full list if they receive a rule to add or delete | 15:59 |
| * vponomaryov thinks why we still don't have API to force access rule recheck... | 15:59 | |
| ganso | bswartz: so they don't know if they have run out of sync | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | ganso: we added an optimization path for drivers where it's extremely slow or expensive to get the current access rule list *cough* ceph *cough* | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | time check | 16:00 |
| bswartz | however all drivers are required to implement correct behavior | 16:00 |
| bswartz | yeah we're past our time | 16:01 |
| bswartz | ganso: did we answer your question? | 16:01 |
| ganso | bswartz: not really | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | is ready to answer ganso on #openstack-manila | 16:01 |
| bswartz | okay let's head back to our channel and sort it out there | 16:01 |
| bswartz | thanks all and have safe a happy holidays! | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 22 16:01:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-22-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-22-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-22-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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