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| cdent | #starting meeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| cdent | oops | 14:00 |
| cdent | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 14:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
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| cdent | say hi if you're hear for nova scheduler team meeting | 14:00 |
| cdent | i'll be running the show today because edleafe is on PTO | 14:01 |
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| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| diga | o/ | 14:01 |
| cdent | #topic specs & reviews | 14:02 |
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| cdent | #link inventory tree https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920 | 14:02 |
| cdent | jaypipes: I think you and ed negotiated a new approach on this? do things in report client instead of virt manager? | 14:02 |
| cdent | also: thank you for choosing to change the name to ProviderTree | 14:03 |
| cdent | makes my brain feel smoother | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yup, and I have made all those changes. | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I still need to work in NUMA cells into the patch series, but it's getting there. | 14:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:03 |
| cdent | is that link above still good as the entry point to review stuff? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yes sir | 14:04 |
| cdent | cool | 14:04 |
| cdent | the agenda says (on that topic): "Is it possible to fix libvirt instead?" | 14:04 |
| cdent | I assume ed probably wrote that. | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | yeah. never mind that, I pulled all of it out of the virt layer. | 14:05 |
| bauzas | could someone please give me more context about the change we're discussing ? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I did read the commit msg of course :) | 14:05 |
| cdent | bauzas: you mean "why do we need this thing?" | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I had proposed a change to the virt driver API that would pass a new InventoryTree object to an update_inventory() method of the virt driver, where the driver would be responsible for updating the state of the inventory. | 14:06 |
| bauzas | cdent: not the reasoning, just the problem statement :) | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: edleafe rightly said it was too invasive and cdent said it felt yucky, so I reworked that to instead be self-contained within the scheduler reporting client. | 14:06 |
| cdent | "felt yucky" was my professional evaluation | 14:07 |
| bauzas | mmm | 14:07 |
| bauzas | because we don't have yet an hierarchical way for the inventories ? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: well, simpler problem than that :) | 14:08 |
| bauzas | actually, I was a bit out when you discussed about the custom rps | 14:08 |
| bauzas | oops | 14:08 |
| bauzas | s/custom/nested | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: we didn't yet have a way of identifying resource providers by name and not uuid, and the way the NUMA stuff was written made it impossible to add a uuid field to NUMACell. | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | ah I see | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: in addition to the problem of nesting levels. | 14:09 |
| bauzas | it was impossible because of the limbo dance in the virt hardware helper module ? | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: add to that the ongoing mutex on API microversion and it made for a fun Sunday of rebasing :) | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | okay, I don't want to eat too much time about that problem statement | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes, if by limbo dance you mean the functional programming paradigms that that module was written with that have readonly parameters and functions that return copies/mutations of the supplied parameters. | 14:10 |
| bauzas | we could discuss that offline | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | :) | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | anyway, yeah, moving on. | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | so we got bauzas patch merged. \o/ | 14:11 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yup, that and all the conditionals in there | 14:11 |
| cdent | anyone have any other specs and reviews they'd like to mention? | 14:11 |
| _gryf | yeah | 14:11 |
| _gryf | I didn't put that on the agenda | 14:11 |
| _gryf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418393/ | 14:11 |
| _gryf | just a heads up | 14:11 |
| cdent | that will be a great thing to have once it happens | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: ooh, nice. thanks for hopping on that! | 14:12 |
| _gryf | this is a BP for providing detailed error info for placement api | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 14:12 |
| _gryf | cdent, thanks for the comments | 14:12 |
| cdent | you're welcome, more to come soon I'm sure | 14:12 |
| _gryf | I feel, that BP will take a while to make satisfying shape | 14:13 |
| cdent | :) | 14:13 |
| _gryf | esp on messages | 14:13 |
| diga | cdent: jaypipes: about notification BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-notifications | 14:13 |
| cdent | several bikesheds will be needed | 14:13 |
| diga | I forgot to add it in agent | 14:14 |
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| cdent | #link notification bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/placement-notifications | 14:14 |
| diga | I have gone through the versioned object & now has good understanding of how it works | 14:14 |
| diga | I will start writing spec on it, if I need some help, will ping you on nova IRC | 14:15 |
| cdent | awesome | 14:15 |
| cdent | ready to move on to bugs? | 14:15 |
| diga | :) | 14:15 |
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| cdent | #topic bugs | 14:16 |
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| cdent | #link placement tagged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement&orderby=-id&start=0 | 14:16 |
| cdent | there are a couple of new ones | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | diga: rock on. | 14:16 |
| cdent | both from mattr | 14:16 |
| diga | jaypipes: :) | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | mattr doesn't matter. | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | cdent: cool on bugs. do you want to assign those or are you looking for volunteers? | 14:17 |
| cdent | dark mattr | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | heh | 14:18 |
| cdent | only one needs a volunteer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1656075 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656075 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "DiscoveryFailure when trying to get resource providers from the scheduler report client" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:18 |
| cdent | the other is already started | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | k | 14:18 |
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| _gryf | i can take a look on that | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | cdent: how about writing a note to the ML asking for contributor on that bug. | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | cdent: or _gryf can take a look :) | 14:19 |
| cdent | #action _gryf to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1656075 | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656075 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "DiscoveryFailure when trying to get resource providers from the scheduler report client" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:19 |
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| rfolco | cdent, jaypipes: what level is that one ? :) | 14:19 |
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| cdent | the actual code would not be complicated, but there's some concern about how we keep finding new different keystoneauth1 exceptions that are raised | 14:20 |
| _gryf | btw, how easy is to setup placement service with devstack? | 14:20 |
| rfolco | oh _gryf is assigned already... nm | 14:20 |
| bauzas | _gryf: it's already by default | 14:20 |
| cdent | so there needs to be some inspection to find out what the real ones | 14:20 |
| _gryf | bauzas, no need for plugin setup or smth? | 14:21 |
| bauzas | _gryf: no longer | 14:21 |
| _gryf | cool | 14:21 |
| bauzas | we defaulted devstack to include the placement service | 14:21 |
| _gryf | +1 | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | _gryf: ping me if you experience problems tho | 14:22 |
| cdent | any other bugs | 14:22 |
| _gryf | bauzas, sure | 14:22 |
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| cdent | #topic open discussion | 14:22 |
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| cdent | edleafe wrote on the agenda asking about: are we going to allow the can_host parameter to be passed in queries to /resource_providers? is it going to be a part of the ResourceProvider object model? | 14:23 |
| cdent | that's somewhat related to a topic for a hangout happening later | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | indeed. | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | we also had discussed changing that field to "shared" or something like that. | 14:24 |
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| cdent | I can't recall a specific explanation for why a particular field is needed | 14:26 |
| _gryf | IIRC can_host indicates that this particular node can roll out VMs | 14:27 |
| cdent | _gryf: sure, but doesn't having inventory of VCPU mean the same thing? | 14:27 |
| _gryf | well, implicitly | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | cdent: it's mostly for the querying of providers of shared resources. we need a way to filter a set of providers that have shared resources from providers that are associated with providers that share resources. | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | cdent: the placement API is intended to be used by more than just Nova eventually. | 14:28 |
| cdent | of course | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | cdent: but yeah, there are other ways to query to get this information. | 14:29 |
| _gryf | I can think of situation, where host which have CPU shouldn't spin out vms | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | cdent: the long-term solution for the problem of "where do I send this placement decision?" is to use a mapping table on the Nova side between resource provider and the "processing worker" (ala the service record in Nova) | 14:30 |
| _gryf | like specific hosts for HPC | 14:30 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: to be specific about the querying problem... | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | cdent: here is the issue: | 14:31 |
| cdent | I suspect what's driving ed's question is avoiding a late stage microversion: "Currently you cannot pass 'can_host=1' as a query parameter, since we only support 'name', 'uuid', 'member_of', and 'resources' as valid params. " | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | cdent: if I have a request for DISK_GB of 100 | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | cdent: and I have 3 hosts, all of which are associated to aggregate A. | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | cdent: 2 of the hosts have no local disk. one has local disk (and thus an inventory record of DISK_GB) | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | cdent: aggregate A is associated with provider D, which is a shared storage pool, obviously having an inventory record of DISK_GB | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | cdent: now, to find the providers that have VCPU, MEMORY_MB and DISK_GB, I would get all the provider records that have VCPU, MEMORY_MB and DISK_GB, along with the provider record for provider D which has the DISK_GB pool. | 14:34 |
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| cdent | yeah, what you're describing here is pretty much the center of the question in that email thread | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | cdent: the potential is there to return the two compute hosts that have no local disk, and the compute host that has local disk as the provider for DISK_GB of those non-local-disk compute hosts. | 14:35 |
| cdent | and it is centered around what 'local_gb' currently means in the resource tracker | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | cdent: eh, partly, yes. | 14:35 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: the way I'm currently doing the query in SQL -- you can do it by doing an intersection of providers that have *some* of the requested resources minus the set that has *all* of the resources, conbined with the providers of only shared resources... but it's messy :) | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | cdent: having that can_host field simplifies things on the querying front. | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | cdent: but... I don't want to expose that out the main API if I don't have to. | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | cdent: basically, I'd like to be able to deduce "can_host" from looking at an inventory colleciton and the set of aggregates a provider is associated with. | 14:38 |
| cdent | if can_host matters, we need need start actually using it then, because last I checked the resource tracker doesn't? | 14:38 |
| cdent | ah | 14:38 |
| cdent | i ssee | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | right. | 14:38 |
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| jaypipes | the resource tracker doesn't yet because the resource tracker hasn't yet been responsbile for adding shared provider inventory. | 14:39 |
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| jaypipes | and it may not be -- an external script, for instance, might be what does that. but the RT will need to at least *know* which shared providers that compute node is associated with in order to set allocation records against it. | 14:39 |
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| cdent | to clarify: how much of this matters before the end of ocata? | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | anyway, seems I've lost everyone :) | 14:41 |
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| cdent | Well, what I think needs to happen (because I always think this needs to happen) is more writing in email (perhaps in response to the update # messages). | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I would like to see shared resource inventory records being written in Ocata, but it's a stretch. I think if Ocata can focus on scheduler integration for VCPU, MEMORY_MB and DISK_GB as assumed local disk, I'd be happy. | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | cdent: and then in Pike, integrate scheduler decisions for shared resources (and nested stuff, etc) | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | cdent: agreed on communication to ML. | 14:43 |
| cdent | so, for the non-ironic case, my email assumptions are effectively correct? | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | cdent: will try to dump brain on that this week. | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | cdent: need to read your email assumptions :( | 14:44 |
| cdent | (e.g., the meaning of local_gb) | 14:44 |
| * cdent shakes his tiny fist ;) | 14:44 | |
| cdent | you'll probably want to read that before the hangout | 14:44 |
| * jaypipes hammers cdent with his YUGE palm. | 14:44 | |
| * cdent has already built a wall that jaypipes paid for | 14:44 | |
| * jaypipes has made bauzas pay for it (he doesn't know yet) | 14:44 | |
| cdent | your illegal palm cannot reach my pristine homeland face | 14:45 |
| * cdent sighs | 14:45 | |
| jaypipes | ok, enough fun. | 14:45 |
| cdent | anyone have any other open topics? | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | another thing I wanted to bring up... | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | yeah | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | I wanted to see if there's any interest from our more UX-centric friends in getting started on a Horizon placement plugin. | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | readonly for now. | 14:46 |
| _gryf | is anyone use horizon? | 14:46 |
| cdent | as in for resource viewing? | 14:46 |
| * _gryf runz | 14:46 | |
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| mriedem | listing providers and their inventories/allocations could be nice | 14:47 |
| mriedem | or an admin being able to filter those by his list of hosts | 14:47 |
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| jaypipes | oh, look, it's a mriedem. | 14:48 |
| jaypipes | welcome, friend. | 14:48 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: i assume that anything for that will need to be owned by our team in a plugin outside of horizon | 14:48 |
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| jaypipes | _gryf: yes, many folks use it :) | 14:48 |
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| mriedem | and i don't know anyone that works on horizon | 14:48 |
| * _gryf was just kidding | 14:48 | |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: right, me neither, that's why I was asking :) | 14:48 |
| mriedem | we can throw it into the ptg etherpad of doom | 14:48 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 14:48 |
| _gryf | at least mail on ml would be helpful | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: k, will send. | 14:49 |
| * jaypipes has many communication action items.. | 14:49 | |
| cdent | #action jaypipes read and write a fair bit of email | 14:49 |
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| cdent | anyone or anything else? | 14:50 |
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| cdent | guess not | 14:50 |
| cdent | thanks everyone for showing up and watching the cdent and jaypipes show, next week we'll have punch and judy | 14:51 |
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| jaypipes | ciao | 14:51 |
| _gryf | :D | 14:51 |
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| cdent | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 14:51:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-16-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-16-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-16-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 15:01:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:02 |
| korzen | hello | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | today is MLK day in some US offices, that's why I believe we have lower presence | 15:03 |
| korzen | what is MLK? | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | Martin Luter King day | 15:03 |
| korzen | oh, ok | 15:03 |
| electrocucaracha | Yeah , it's | 15:03 |
| korzen | we do not have this holiday in Europe ;) | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: Intel celebrating? | 15:03 |
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| korzen | Intel US szhould have free day | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | I see. well, I am in RedHat US, and I don't have a holiday. ;) | 15:04 |
| electrocucaracha | Yes, but Rackspace no | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | gotcha. ok, let's run it quick. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | as you know, there is PTG next month | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | armax sent an email with a link to etherpad: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110040.html | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | it would probably make sense to brain storm which upgrade topics may be worth covering there | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | and filling in the etherpad | 15:06 |
| electrocucaracha | I won't be able to be there, but I'll try to follow you in etherpad | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | I was thinking we can try to make progress on mixed server version gating, but that probably belongs to cross-project sessions, not neutron | 15:06 |
| korzen | I have made some small list: | 15:07 |
| korzen | API versioning | 15:07 |
| korzen | New mechanism for blocking contract migrations | 15:07 |
| korzen | Online Data Migration | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | korzen: what's the 'new' mechanism? | 15:08 |
| korzen | ihrachys, I mean to change that UT | 15:08 |
| korzen | maybe it is not so critical | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I guess it's high detail. as for other two, I think both are good. can you put them into the pad so that we can start expanding on them this week? | 15:10 |
| korzen | ok | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool | 15:12 |
| korzen | do you think about something more to be discuss? | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | I think we are otherwise good; push-notifications progress may also be relevant to us, but I believe it will be raised in other context. | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | ok, don't hesitate to fill in the pad with more topics if you come up with any | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | linuxbridge job still not feeling well. I also saw tempest (not grenade) job failing at 30%+ rate previous week. | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | so I was not really sure if it's grenade specific | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | now it seems the tempest flavour is back to normal | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=8&fullscreen | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | gotta look at it closer this week | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | reminder: it's already in check queue, but not-voting so far. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | let's move to objects | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | we landed DictOfMiscValuesField: https://review.openstack.org/411830 | 15:18 |
| korzen | :) | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | we also landed tenant_id -> project_id switch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382659/ | 15:18 |
| korzen | good work dasm | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | one of the more critical bits up for review is port binding adoption: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | I reviewed it the previous week; it's currently in conflict | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | would be nice if we can rebase it sooner | 15:20 |
| korzen | I will ping Lujin | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 15:20 |
| korzen | I was about to rebase and address comments but waited for path author to do it first | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | there is nothing major there now, it's just a matter of code cleanup | 15:21 |
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| korzen | I wonder if subnet, port and network OVO adoption patch are relevant? | 15:23 |
| korzen | for Ocata release | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | NetworkSegment adoption: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385178 also seems close | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | korzen: it may or it may not, depending on readines | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | *readiness | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: anything that blocks us from respinning ^ ? | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | I don't remember the last issue | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I will look at the UT failure you mentioned for .db_obj | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | apart from it, it seems close | 15:24 |
| electrocucaracha | Ohh that one | 15:25 |
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| electrocucaracha | I can take a look but that will be tomorrow | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: sure, no need to spoil the holiday ;) | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | korzen: are any of those adoptions close? | 15:26 |
| korzen | subnet is | 15:27 |
| korzen | port and network are non-existing | 15:27 |
| korzen | subnet is implemented | 15:27 |
| korzen | but I had issue with db_obj being detached from session | 15:27 |
| korzen | and I'm waiting for Ann to get it fixed with new engine facade | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I see. will new engine fix it? | 15:28 |
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| korzen | yes, because the new engine is adding the object to active session | 15:28 |
| korzen | db_obj | 15:28 |
| korzen | well, I need to rebase subnet adoption patch on top of Ann's patch | 15:29 |
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| korzen | but in theory it should work | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I guess it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402750 that is needed for subnet? | 15:29 |
| korzen | yes, that one | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | it's mostly very simple | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | I will take a look | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | in the meantime, rebase would be nice | 15:31 |
| electrocucaracha | What about the Flavor and service Profile patch it's also close to be completed | 15:31 |
| korzen | It is also a matter of push-notification | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: that one, I just +2d it again, let's find a second opinion. rossella_s, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306685/ maybe? | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, ack, will look at it | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I am not sure push-notification is related, but we will cover it in a separate section | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | Thanks rossella_s | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | electrocucaracha, my pleasure | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on to next section | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches to review | 15:34 |
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| electrocucaracha | Just FYI, I included a new status on the spreadsheet that can help to focus on those OVo patches that I consider ready | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: thanks | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | first topic is, multiple port binding | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | spec being https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309416/ | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | I think it's very close, next respin should do | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | there is also a patch adding host to primary key in the binding table: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404293/ | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | that one is also very close, I just need to have a look at replies to my comments. | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | with that, we may get the PK expansion in Ocata BEFORE nova or neutron starts writing into it, which should simplify the online db upgrade matters once we get to landing actual extension | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | which prolly won't happen this time | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | any questions on port binding? | 15:38 |
| korzen | so the whole feature port binding for LM wont happen in Ocata | 15:38 |
| korzen | ? | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | korzen: it looks that way, yes. | 15:38 |
| korzen | I was thinking at implementation patch, if we also need to update the OVO? | 15:39 |
| korzen | for port binding | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | I think back in Barcelona, there was agreement that it may as well happen, so it shouldn't be news for e.g. nova | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: if we land db expansion this cycle only, then no need to update it in Ocata; we will add new field in Pike | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | for status | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | or you mean that now primary key is expanded, so we need to reflect it in the object? | 15:41 |
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| korzen | if we are expending, then it should not matter | 15:41 |
| korzen | expanding* | 15:41 |
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| korzen | until API and backend code is ready to consume it | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | korzen: well, for one, get_object should allow only filters that result in unique result? | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | and unless we add the host to PK in object, it will happily accept just port_id | 15:42 |
| korzen | so you mean when we will have extra PK, ovo get_object won't work? | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | I think it may then fail if there are multiple matching records in db | 15:43 |
| korzen | get_object would return .first() | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | hm, we implement get_object as .first | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | yea | 15:44 |
| korzen | adding new PK is backward compatible | 15:44 |
| korzen | right? | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | if the code does not assume a single record (like calling .one) then yes, it's ok | 15:45 |
| korzen | there is no new code that will insert port_id twice | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | btw I checked Newton code and haven't found any place were we would assume that | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | there is no such code now, but there will be in Pike, so Ocata code should be ready for that. | 15:46 |
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| korzen | good point | 15:46 |
| korzen | I will take another look | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move on to push notifications | 15:47 |
| korzen | so, I guess that merging the port binding ovo adoption in Ocata would be helpful | 15:47 |
| korzen | one last question ;) | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | korzen: absolutely! | 15:47 |
| korzen | ok | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: was that your question? | 15:48 |
| korzen | that one | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | ok. yes, it would be very helpful. I want to land it asap. | 15:48 |
| korzen | merging port_bindgin adoption | 15:48 |
| korzen | ok | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | speaking of push-notifications, kevinbenton made some progress | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | a patch to mention is server side notifier: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388939/ | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | the notifier subscribes to AFTER_* events, re-fetches the relevant object, and pushes it on the wire | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | note it re-fetches, not reuses the same object | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | that was used during update of the database | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | that's what I meant saying that landing adoption patches is not strictly relevant to push-notifications now | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | is my thinking correct? korzen | 15:50 |
| korzen | it looks like | 15:52 |
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| korzen | it would affect only the RPC | 15:52 |
| korzen | and not REST API | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | right. as long as we can construct the object from ID, it should do | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | I don't know of any patches that currently consume the objects on agent side, but I believe kevinbenton is on it | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | we may want to help with reviews there too | 15:53 |
| korzen | I was looking at some patches but did not have enough time to jump into details | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | korzen: so far there is not much to review there | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | ok let's look at the list of patches with UpgradeImpact: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22UpgradeImpact%22+project:openstack/neutron | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | ok, first one will require a spec/write-up, so we can skip that one | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | second is, not allowing to start macvtap agent with wrong bridge configuration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323398/ | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | sounds like no-brainer to me | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | and we do it for other agents already | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | finally, the patch that claims to solve another network disruption in ovs agent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305724/ | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | I thought we solved all of those like 2 cycles ago? :) | 15:57 |
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| korzen | in Liberty | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | seems like it's l2pop only, at least that's what the patch touches | 15:57 |
| korzen | and in Mitaka | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | so corner case | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | korzen: and in Newton! :) | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | if that's l2pop only, we may look into expanding the scenarios list in fullstack connectivity tests. | 15:58 |
| korzen | which one was in Newton? | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | I believe we have some tests there that restart agents and ping in the meantime | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I am just kiddin' | 15:58 |
| korzen | :) | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's do the last quick | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | there is not much time | 15:59 |
| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336518/ | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | but if you have something to raise and move to #openstack-neutron please do | 15:59 |
| korzen | ihrachys, ^ | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | sigh | 15:59 |
| korzen | please review ;) | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | yeah | 15:59 |
| electrocucaracha | Thanks | 15:59 |
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| korzen | ok, thanks :) | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | ok that's it, we need to free the floor | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 16:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-16-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-16-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-16-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 16:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
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| gcb | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:02 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:02 |
| gcb | who is there today :) | 16:02 |
| electrocucaracha | O/ | 16:02 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:02 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| gcb | hi guys :-) | 16:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:02 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:03 |
| gcb | okay, let's get started | 16:03 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| johnsom | My only item is following up with the oslo messaging kombu 4.x patch | 16:04 |
| rloo | o/ even though i wasn't pinged ;) | 16:05 |
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| gcb | welcome rloo | 16:05 |
| gcb | johnsom, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409294/ ? | 16:05 |
| bknudson | I haven't heard of any red flags from keystone | 16:05 |
| gcb | thanks bknudson | 16:05 |
| johnsom | Thanks | 16:06 |
| electrocucaracha | Nothing from Neutron | 16:06 |
| gcb | Johnsom, I didn't look deep the review, would you like to merge this in ocata release ? | 16:07 |
| gcb | electrocucaracha, thanks | 16:07 |
| rloo | nothing from ironic | 16:07 |
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| johnsom | Umm, I'm not sure on that. I think the team would have to look at the risk level. My issue is just about kombu doing new releases that we then have to turn around and exclude from global requirements. So, it's just a get it in as soon as we can safely.... | 16:08 |
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| gcb | As I know we planned to release non-client libraries in this week | 16:08 |
| gcb | #https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 16:08 |
| gcb | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 16:09 |
| gcb | johnsom, I will look at the review tomorrow | 16:09 |
| gcb | thanks rloo | 16:09 |
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| gcb | Any other Red flags ? | 16:11 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for final ocata | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for final ocata (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:12 | |
| gcb | as just mentioned above, we need release final versions for oslo libs | 16:13 |
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| gcb | so I or harlowja will prepare a batch of releases this week, does anybody want to get code merged before that ? | 16:14 |
| kgiusti | gcb: one last outstanding bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417629/ | 16:14 |
| gcb | kgiusti, ack, will help review tomorrow :-) | 16:15 |
| kgiusti | +1 thanks! | 16:16 |
| * gcb it's 00:16 am in my local time | 16:16 | |
| kgiusti | gcb: so, it's already technically tomorrow ;) | 16:16 |
| gcb | kgisuti, lol | 16:17 |
| gcb | #topic stuck reviews | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| gcb | Does anyone have stuck reviews, which need more eyes on them ? | 16:19 |
| gcb | Not sure we need freeze new feature reviews this week, then we can restart to work on them after cutting out stable branch | 16:20 |
| gcb | bknudson, we did similar things in last cycle , right ? | 16:21 |
| bknudson | maybe. I don't think we need to freeze new feature reviews. | 16:22 |
| gcb | bknudson, I mean the reviews of implementation code , not spec reviews | 16:23 |
| bknudson | we need to be careful on all reviews to ensure that bad code doesn't get released. This applies throughout the release. | 16:23 |
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| gcb | sure , that's the oslo way :-) | 16:23 |
| gcb | will check with harlowja later | 16:25 |
| gcb | #topic ptg planning | 16:25 |
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| gcb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-pike | 16:25 |
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| gcb | this etherpad is used to collect discussion topics, please add topics if you want to discuss something | 16:27 |
| gcb | harlowja won't be there due to family vacation | 16:28 |
| gcb | who will attend the PTG ? | 16:28 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 16:29 |
| ansmith | o/ | 16:30 |
| gcb | yeah, looking forward to seeing you again :) | 16:30 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: and we can assign all bugs to harlowja.... | 16:31 |
| gcb | good ideas lol | 16:32 |
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| gcb | forgive me as non-native speaker | 16:32 |
| gcb | s/ideas/idea | 16:32 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 16:33 |
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| gcb | I think today should be a short meeting if I can type more quickly | 16:35 |
| gcb | okay, thanks everyone | 16:36 |
| bknudson | thanks | 16:36 |
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| kgiusti | thanks gcb | 16:36 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-01-16-16.00.html | 16:37 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 20:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| dave-mccowan | It's a holiday in the US today. Anyone else here? | 20:01 |
| kfarr | \o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hi kfarr! no holiday for you today? | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | as usual the agenda is here: | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
| kfarr | no holiday for me :( | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | i have a holiday today, but i'm working anyways. :-) | 20:03 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan so dedicated! | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | I think Jeremy add the code review request at the top of the agenda. what do you think about that one? i see you reviewed an earlier version of the patch. | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic review patch to refactor barbican client code | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review patch to refactor barbican client code (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| kfarr | overall, I think it looks good, but I am nervous about backwards compatibility | 20:05 |
| kfarr | though Castellan isn't affected | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | is it not backwards compatible? or is it not known if it is or not? | 20:06 |
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| kfarr | I just don't know if it breaks anything | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | i guess it needs careful review, and probably some smart testing. | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | anything else on the agenda you want to discuss? | 20:08 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:09 |
| kfarr | well, there are a few patches for review for tempest testing | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | hi alee | 20:10 |
| alee | yo | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | small group today, i assume due to US holiday. | 20:10 |
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| dave-mccowan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | for tempest testing reviews, i see: | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | https://review.openstack.org/418607 | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | https://review.openstack.org/417468 | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | is it just those two? | 20:12 |
| kfarr | yes for now | 20:12 |
| kfarr | Dane and Peter plan to be putting up more over the rest of this week | 20:12 |
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| dave-mccowan | after a quick look, they look good to me. i'll review them after the meeting today. anyone up for a second +2 today? | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic rest of agenda | 20:15 |
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| dave-mccowan | there's a thread on openstack-dev right now about Barbican. folks are lamenting that 1) we don't have many stars in our maturity index, and 2) we don't have a simple and secure deployment model. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | for 1) I have submitted patches to the governance repo that should get us 3 more stars. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | not sure, what to do about #2. i added a line item to PTG agenda. | 20:17 |
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| kfarr | alee dave-mccowan, could we recommend dogtag for that? | 20:17 |
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| alee | kfarr, dave-mccowan soudns good to me | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | someone already mentioned it on the email thread. | 20:18 |
| alee | kfarr, of course, some folks may not consider it "simple" | 20:19 |
| kfarr | oh ok, just now reading over the thread | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | i don't think we have any changes to the current status of PTG or Ocata deliverables. | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | Ocata milestone-3 is next week. Release date is 5 weeks from now. | 20:20 |
| alee | reading thread too .. | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | last thing on the agenda is PTL Nominations are open this week for the Pike cycle. | 20:21 |
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| dave-mccowan | let me know if anyone else is interested in volunteering. | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other topics? | 20:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other topics? (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:23 | |
| dave-mccowan | do we want to discuss the content of the email thread? or shall we each respond as we see fit? ( kfarr might have an update on how castellan is helping project adoptions, alee might have an update on how dogtag can give a secure software-only deployment ) | 20:24 |
| kfarr | ok just finished reading | 20:25 |
| kfarr | I don't really have much to add about the Castellan piece | 20:25 |
| kfarr | Barbican is the only back end so far | 20:25 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, yeah - I can respond, as least to easinesss of deploying dogtag | 20:26 |
| alee | and point to the scripts frm the demo | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | to me there are two things: developers want an easy to use environment, and we give them simple crypto. couldn't be easier. | 20:27 |
| alee | right | 20:27 |
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| kfarr | I read it as **deployers** want an easy to use environment (easy and secure) | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | operators want a secure deployment. if they're serious about storing secrets, then they probably already have an HSM or Dogtag. (or should be willing in investing in them) | 20:28 |
| alee | the other thing that folks talk about is barbican not necessarily being present, but thats what castellan is for. | 20:29 |
| alee | of course - someone else need to implement castellan too .. | 20:29 |
| kfarr | yeah.. | 20:29 |
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| jaosorior | o/ | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | hi jaosorior | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | i need to take off. i didn't have anything else today. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | #chair kfarr | 20:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dave-mccowan kfarr | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | if you want to continue, kfarr please take over and the end the meeting when you're done. | 20:33 |
| kfarr_ | Ok, thanks! | 20:33 |
| kfarr_ | Does anyone have anything else? | 20:33 |
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| kfarr_ | I guess that's it. Thanks for coming! | 20:35 |
| kfarr_ | #endmeeting | 20:35 |
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| kfarr | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 20:41:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-16-20.00.html | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-16-20.00.txt | 20:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-16-20.00.log.html | 20:41 |
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| pchadwick | Hi Shamail | 20:57 |
| shamail | Hi pchadwick. How are you? | 20:58 |
| pchadwick | I'm good - and you? | 20:58 |
| shamail | I’m doing well. :) | 20:58 |
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| shamail | Let’s see how many people we get today since some people are off. | 20:59 |
| shamail | (U.S. Holiday) | 20:59 |
| shamail | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 16 21:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:00 |
| shamail | Hi everyone, who’s here for the PWG meeting? | 21:00 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:00 |
| shamail | Agenda is in the link I posted | 21:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
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| shamail | Carol and Leong are off today | 21:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:00 |
| shamail | Hi pchadwick, MeganR, and Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:00 |
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| leong | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | wow, leong showing up on his day off | 21:01 |
| shamail | hi! | 21:01 |
| leong | :) | 21:01 |
| leong | just this hour.. :-) | 21:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | he just want to make sure he is given any AR | 21:01 |
| shamail | let’s give it a couple of minutes to see if we get quorum | 21:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail, if oyu can review my 2 patched for persona I will be grateful. | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think they are ready for merge now | 21:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| shamail | Agenda for today since I posted the link way to quick initially | 21:02 |
| rlpple | o/ | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ditto for other reviewers | 21:02 |
| shamail | will do Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:02 |
| shamail | Looking at the topics, do we have enough people to discuss? | 21:03 |
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| leong | who else here? | 21:03 |
| shamail | Attendee list: pchadwick, MeganR, Arkady_Kanevsky, leong, shamail | 21:03 |
| heidijoy | Hello all! | 21:03 |
| rlpple | Hello all! | 21:03 |
| shamail | and heidijoy :) | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have tracking of stories. I saw one submission and tenplate one | 21:03 |
| shamail | hi | 21:03 |
| shamail | hi rlpple | 21:03 |
| shamail | awesome. | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am astill behind on it | 21:03 |
| shamail | Let’s proceed then (we have a decent showing) | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic User Story Tracker Discussion | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Story Tracker Discussion (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:04 | |
| pchadwick | I need to turn myself in as I was not able to work on the user stories (either users or tracker) and am not sure when I will be able to do so. | 21:04 |
| shamail | lol pchadwick, it’s okay. :) | 21:04 |
| shamail | Email me and maybe I can help you with the tracker | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I had commented on template. | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | Many balls in the air right now. | 21:04 |
| shamail | We are working towards having actual trackers built out for our user stories that have finished gaps analysis | 21:05 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419674/ | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need to agree how we will track blueprints and specs. | 21:05 |
| shamail | I have updated the tracker template to reflect the changes that the FeatureTracker development team had to make for the UI | 21:05 |
| shamail | #link http://featuretracker.openstack.org/ | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | currently we include pointer for one but not another/ | 21:05 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: We should have pointers for both | 21:06 |
| shamail | Some projects don’t use both though | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | if we use spec or if we use blueprint then nwe need a pointer for it for tracking. | 21:06 |
| shamail | for example, if you look at line 25-30 in the review I posted | 21:06 |
| shamail | It shows that for the project, we are asking for blueprints and specs | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do not suggest we create both for the same things per project | 21:07 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:07 |
| shamail | We won’t, the tracker format can accomodate either but we will most likely reference one of them only per “task" | 21:07 |
| shamail | hi mrhillsman | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for spec we include pointer to it in tracking in template. | 21:07 |
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| shamail | It would be helpful if everyone can review the updated tracker format | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But for blueprint we do not include pointer, only name | 21:08 |
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| GeraldK | o/ | 21:08 |
| shamail | Yes, correct Arkady_Kanevsky. That is because the bp path is known (always the same for projects) whereas the spec structure is unique so we need the full URI | 21:08 |
| shamail | Hi GeraldK | 21:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail, how from the page generate by tracking one gets ot blueprint? | 21:09 |
| shamail | The tool adds “https://blueprints.launchpad.net/<project>/+spec” for blueprints | 21:09 |
| shamail | You click on the link | 21:10 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | we have a name of blieprint, so one can go to a project name and search for name of blueprint | 21:10 |
| shamail | This is a good seque to a question | 21:10 |
| shamail | Does everyone think we should schedule a session to give an overview of the tracker file format, demo the FeatureTracker tool, and general Q&A on those topics? | 21:10 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am game | 21:10 |
| leong | +1 | 21:10 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:10 |
| GeraldK | +1 | 21:10 |
| shamail | Okay, I can arrange a doodle… how’s everyone’s availability? Should I send dates/times for later this week or next week? | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | i was epxecting htat we are doing it here | 21:11 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: It will be much easier via Zoom :) | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | Either is fine for me. | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree | 21:11 |
| mrhillsman | same | 21:11 |
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| shamail | cool, how about MeganR, leong, heidijoy, GeraldK? | 21:12 |
| leong | either way is fie | 21:12 |
| MeganR | it will just depend on my schedule, but would like this week | 21:12 |
| leong | fine | 21:12 |
| GeraldK | just propose few dates on doodle | 21:12 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:12 |
| MeganR | GeraldK +1 | 21:12 |
| heidijoy | +1 | 21:12 |
| shamail | I’ll do two dates this week and two next | 21:12 |
| GeraldK | +1 | 21:12 |
| shamail | #action shamail to send out doodle poll for Tracker/FeatureTracker overview including dates for this week and next | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shamail, I specifically want to cover what the trackser should look like before gap analysis and aftre | 21:13 |
| leong | i will probably help to do once for 'Regional Meeting' | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | + leong | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 leong | 21:13 |
| shamail | Sure thing Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:13 |
| shamail | Thanks leong | 21:13 |
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| shamail | Okay moving on | 21:14 |
| shamail | #topic PWG at Forum Event | 21:14 |
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| shamail | Carol and I had a conversation with Tom last week to discuss how the PWG could participate in Forum | 21:14 |
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| shamail | one of the options that we brainstormed was to help moderate some of the sessions that are cross-project/user need centric or strategic | 21:15 |
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| shamail | There seem to be three types of sessions that will be in the Forum: project specific, cross-project, and strategic | 21:15 |
| shamail | Examples: | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thought that we are missing Atlanta meeting. | 21:15 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | as a group | 21:15 |
| shamail | project specific: nova team requesting feedback on recent changes and needed capabilities | 21:15 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Forum will be in Boston | 21:16 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: Forum, not PTG | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. termonology issue on my end. I still call it summit | 21:16 |
| shamail | cross-project: sessions including both operators and developers on specific cross project specs or topics (e.g. scalability in OpenStack) | 21:16 |
| leong | would "user stories" be discussed in the Forum? | 21:17 |
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| shamail | strategic: community level discussions on topics such as “what are the core needs OpenStack should deliver?”, “what are your expections of the TC, UC, etc?" | 21:17 |
| shamail | leong: yes, but they would probably fall under the “cross project” track | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Is this part of PWG driving cross functional requirements? | 21:17 |
| shamail | We discussed the possibility of PWG members helping moderate sessions or helping to build a standard moderation template to ensure we get uniform feedback | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That technical group asked? | 21:18 |
| shamail | And if we have people that are subject-experts in a certain market or user need they could facilitate those sessions | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 shamail | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will be happy to help and moderate | 21:18 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: no, this aligns better with PWG helping to aggregate user needs and facilitate actionable outcomes from Forum | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | How do we define "markets" | 21:19 |
| shamail | verrrrry loosely | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | Or more importantly prioritize them? | 21:19 |
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| shamail | I am using the term in broadly such as telco, enterprise, financials, healthcare, SMB, etc | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | Could also be geo specific | 21:19 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:20 |
| shamail | We wouldn’t necessarily prioritize them as the committee selecting the Forum sessions would make the schedule | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | OK | 21:20 |
| shamail | We could however influence by proposing sessions based on markets/geos represented on this team | 21:20 |
| shamail | The key goal from the Forum is to have both users and developers participate and have good representation | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how do we snure that we generate a single requirement list of technical committee and now a reqs list per market? | 21:21 |
| shamail | Would others on the team be willing to help moderate sessions or be more involved with Forum planning if the opportunity arises? | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | PTG strength to prioritize across them and choose user story to drive it | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes from me | 21:22 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:22 |
| shamail | I think we will have some additional work on determining the ideal outputs | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | right. I want to make sure we define the goals and then dfeine a plan to get there. | 21:23 |
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| shamail | Are others up for this too? We don’t want sign-up our team unless we have folks to help :) | 21:23 |
| MeganR | yes, I would be avail. to help moderate the sessions, really interested in a template for outcomes | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | Tentative for me. | 21:23 |
| shamail | Thank you | 21:23 |
| leong | i can help to moderate as well.. | 21:23 |
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| shamail | Moving to the next topic | 21:23 |
| shamail | #topic Gap Analysis - Template and Location in Repo | 21:23 |
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| shamail | GeraldK and leong do you want to lead this topic, I added it based on the email thread last week | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can ypou post a pointer to template? | 21:24 |
| shamail | There is none currently | 21:24 |
| shamail | ;) | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | understand. | 21:24 |
| GeraldK | there is the draft I had shared via email | 21:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I owe gerald respond on it | 21:24 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/promise_gap_analysis | 21:24 |
| GeraldK | this is the gap analysis for the capacity mgmt user story | 21:25 |
| GeraldK | can someone put the link to the template pls. i am not in front of my work pc | 21:25 |
| leong | and this is for bare metal user story. | 21:26 |
| leong | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bare_metal_service_gap_and_overlap_analysis | 21:26 |
| shamail | Is that not the template GeraldK (the link I posted)? | 21:26 |
| leong | suggestion is to create a common gap-analysis template and keep it in the repo | 21:26 |
| shamail | leong and GeraldK +1 | 21:27 |
| GeraldK | shamail: no, the two links are the actual gap analysis documents | 21:27 |
| GeraldK | let me get the link... | 21:27 |
| leong | i believe geraldk drafted one: | 21:27 |
| leong | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/template_gap_and_overlap_analysis | 21:27 |
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| leong | #link draft-gap-analysis-template - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/template_gap_and_overlap_analysis | 21:27 |
| shamail | Thanks leong | 21:27 |
| GeraldK | thanks leong | 21:27 |
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| GeraldK | i have compiled this template based on the two gap analysis documents | 21:28 |
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| leong | the template looks ok in general...but we can remove the "priority" section as that will be included in the user-story-template | 21:28 |
| GeraldK | wanted to discuss via etherpad first, then we can create the rst file for the repo | 21:28 |
| shamail | Is this template for gaps analysis or is it covering both gaps analysis and implementation plan? | 21:28 |
| GeraldK | so far only gap analysis. | 21:29 |
| shamail | I see the section for patches which is usually the next step | 21:29 |
| leong | can everyone take a look at the template and made suggestion by end of this friday? | 21:29 |
| shamail | I see your comment now GeraldK (“Gerald: I would suggest to remove this section as this will be captured in the user story tracker”) | 21:29 |
| GeraldK | according to the work flow, we first have to discuss the gaps with the projects then derive the implementation plan | 21:29 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:29 |
| shamail | GeraldK: +1 | 21:29 |
| GeraldK | so, i believe we should keep it separate | 21:29 |
| shamail | I agree as well | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. implenentatoin is after we accept gap analysis | 21:29 |
| leong | after friday, can geraldk summit a patch to include that template into the git repo? | 21:30 |
| shamail | Implementation is what drives the population of the tracker with actual artifacts | 21:30 |
| GeraldK | the "1. gap on the problem definition" is there for bare metal but was difficult to do for capacity mgmt | 21:30 |
| GeraldK | do we need this section? | 21:30 |
| GeraldK | on the ID in "2. gaps on user stories": should we update the user story template to ask for IDs for each user story? | 21:31 |
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| leong | isn't every story has a "problem definition"? | 21:32 |
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| pchadwick | GeraldK: +1 | 21:32 |
| shamail | Good point, I think that would make sense | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | somehere we need to define each projects impacted and if sime reqs canont be mapped to any project(s) that become a candidate for new project | 21:32 |
| leong | geraldk, i think all user story needs to be updated to includes "IDs" | 21:32 |
| GeraldK | leong: yes. baremetal had a bullet list so it was easy to derive the gaps. in capacity mgmt we have running text so it is more difficult | 21:32 |
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| GeraldK | okay. so I will take your comments in the etherpad by Friday EOB and create a rst file | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | prefer pull request route. Easier to see comments from all and progress | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks GrealdK | 21:34 |
| leong | i think either bullet list or paragraph on the user-story-template is fine.. the gap-analysis is to identify the list of gaps out from the "problem statement" | 21:34 |
| GeraldK | arkady: can you explain: pull request route? | 21:34 |
| leong | if both can relates 1-1, that is best. if not, i think it is also fine. | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sumit pull request with draft of template. I can always find pull request in review but mus know exact etherpad | 21:36 |
| GeraldK | arkady_kanevsky: okay. | 21:37 |
| leong | if someone can't derive a gap from the user story problem statement, would that means the "problem statement" is not adequate?? | 21:37 |
| shamail | I think this is a good discussion | 21:37 |
| shamail | Let’s go with leong’s suggestion of providing feedback by this Friday and move towards a patch next week (RST format) | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:38 |
| leong | "problems statement" will leads to "gap", doesn't matter if the statement is written in paragraph or bullet list... | 21:38 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 21:38 |
| shamail | #action Please review gaps analysis template (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/template_gap_and_overlap_analysis) and provide feedback by Friday 1/20 | 21:38 |
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| shamail | moving on for now | 21:39 |
| shamail | #topic Roadmap update/request | 21:39 |
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| shamail | heidijoy: do you want to cover this topic? | 21:39 |
| GeraldK | leong: it might also lead to duplication as the gaps in the problem statement and the user stories will overlap | 21:39 |
| heidijoy | Yes please! | 21:39 |
| GeraldK | shamail: can we also have a look at the capacity mgmt user story first? | 21:39 |
| heidijoy | We have a potential solution for the problem of trying to corral PTLs and produce videos that preview the next release’s major features (e.g. Mitaka Design Series videos). We have 32, 40-minute slots available to host the PTLs to each do a project update talk at the Boston Summit. The PWG could select which 32 projects to feature, and could propose a format for the PTLs’ slides to answer key questions (such as fo | 21:40 |
| shamail | GeraldK: I’ll come back to it, sorry had already changed topics | 21:40 |
| GeraldK | shamail: okay | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | heidi do oyu have a list of 32 projects? | 21:41 |
| shamail | heidijoy: your message got cut off | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | Are the project update talks done in front of a live audience or is it in a studio? | 21:41 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: She would like for us to help select them | 21:41 |
| heidijoy | Ideally the PTLs would present for 20 min and answer questions for 20 minutes. The resulting videos would be posted to the Project Navigator, YouTube & elsewhere. Would the PWG would like to steer this effort? (Heidi Joy will team captain the organization side - looking for your strategic input, particularly on which projects, presentation format, and prepping the PTLs in advance.) | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. we will select 32 project to interview. | 21:42 |
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| pchadwick | Not intending to be rude, but are there 32 projects that are worth doing this for? | 21:42 |
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| pchadwick | Worth = significant interest in community. | 21:43 |
| heidijoy | @pchadwick I went through and there are 25 significant projects with community adoption | 21:43 |
| pchadwick | Ok | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | our CPL list only contains 20 | 21:43 |
| heidijoy | Also considering there are 60+ big tent projects, I would recommend we fill the remaining 7 slots with "emerging projects of interest" | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Product_Working_Group | 21:43 |
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| heidijoy | Or consider having a recently TC approved project that spawned from another project present with its parent project | 21:44 |
| heidijoy | I have a list of suggested projects here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTLupdatesBoston | 21:44 |
| shamail | heidijoy: +1 | 21:44 |
| shamail | heidijoy: when would you need our feedback by on projects? | 21:44 |
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| heidijoy | I suggest we give feedback via the etherpad, wrap it up by the end of Jan? I'd like to extend invites no later than Feb. 5. It would be fine if we hadn't filled every slot by then, but most should be. | 21:45 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTLupdatesBoston | 21:45 |
| shamail | heidijoy: +1 | 21:46 |
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| shamail | #action Review/Add projects to PTL Updates etherpad by end of January (all) | 21:46 |
| heidijoy | That's all for now, I'll also circulate this to the PWG ML. | 21:46 |
| shamail | For the questions, we could use something similar to what we used for the Design Series | 21:46 |
| shamail | thanks heidijoy! | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ehidi do oyu have a draft of slide template to fill? | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We can use frm last time. | 21:47 |
| shamail | No slide to fill for now Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:47 |
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| shamail | We are just helping select projects and the questions for video interviews that will be scheduled in Boston | 21:47 |
| heidijoy | I will have a draft template with the new branding, and will ask those who sign up on the etherpad to contribute to it | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | Won't we want to guide the PTLs on the key items to cover? | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The slide we will ask PTL to fill in interview or us feeling from interview | 21:48 |
| heidijoy | Yes exactly pchadwick | 21:48 |
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| shamail | We will pchadwick, I was just saying no resulting slide work necessary from it currently | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | like key deliverables in Ocata, key areas for Pike... | 21:48 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | shamail: OK - thanks. | 21:48 |
| shamail | Next up.... | 21:49 |
| shamail | #topic review capacity management gaps analysis | 21:49 |
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| pchadwick | Is this part of the forum track or the main sessions? | 21:49 |
| GeraldK | We have performed the gap analysis of the capacity mgmt user story with a focus on the reservation part that we had added to the user story. links to related specs/RFEs have been added. | 21:49 |
| heidijoy | Main sessions | 21:49 |
| GeraldK | #link https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/promise_gap_analysis | 21:49 |
| heidijoy | And video recorded | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | hiedijoy: thanks | 21:49 |
| heidijoy | But not part of the traditional CFP process | 21:49 |
| GeraldK | will need also feedback/input especially from the others who had contributed to this user story | 21:50 |
| GeraldK | once we have agreed on the template this can be converted into rst | 21:51 |
| GeraldK | we have identified 3 related projects: Blazar, Nova, Neutron | 21:51 |
| GeraldK | from previous chats with PTLs introducing such feature will require cross-project coordination and here PWG can be of help | 21:53 |
| GeraldK | looking at the time, what about all checking this offline and commenting in the Etherpad? | 21:53 |
| heidijoy | =1 | 21:54 |
| heidijoy | +1 | 21:54 |
| leong | +1 geraldk | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:54 |
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| MeganR | +1 | 21:54 |
| GeraldK | when/where would be a good time/place to discuss this with the projects and to derive the implementation plan? | 21:54 |
| heidijoy | @geraldk please sign up on the etherpad and I will follow up with you directly. I'll also post invitation to contribute on the PWG ML | 21:55 |
| leong | heidijoy: geraldk is refering to user-story gap-analysis for capacity management | 21:57 |
| GeraldK | thanks heidijoy | 21:57 |
| heidijoy | oops sorry :-/ | 21:57 |
| shamail | GeraldK: generally I would recommend scheduling a cross-project IRC meeting and advertising on the mailing list | 21:57 |
| shamail | this will ensure you get proper coverage | 21:57 |
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| shamail | You can also look at the cross-project spec liaisons page and find the CPSLs for the needed projects and invite them | 21:57 |
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| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:58 |
| GeraldK | okay. if it's IRC, let's schedule it once we have incorporated your comments on the gap analysis | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do you have IRC for cross-project? | 21:58 |
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| shamail | You have to create one or just use the openstack-meeting-cp channel when its available | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I expected a permanent IRC you can join and chat and then scehdule one off as needed | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | for x-project | 21:59 |
| GeraldK | okay to use openstack-meeting-cp channel | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | out of time. | 22:00 |
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| pchadwick | bye | 22:00 |
| shamail | Take care all | 22:00 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye all | 22:00 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 22:01:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-16-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-16-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-16-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | anyone around for a zuul meeting? | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | this is not feeling like a quorum. would anyone present benefit from us having a meeting? | 22:03 |
| Shrews | not for me | 22:04 |
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| clarkb | I have nothing, spent far too much time last week dealing with snow | 22:06 |
| clarkb | nto sure how people in the midwest or canada deal with it | 22:06 |
| jeblair | ok. maybe people are holidaying. anyway, let's not just go through the motions. we'll meet next week and chat in #zuul 'til then. | 22:06 |
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