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dstepanenko | hi guys | 12:10 |
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IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 13:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
number80 | thanks IgorYozhikov | 13:00 |
number80 | agenda: #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
number80 | arf | 13:00 |
IgorYozhikov | #chair number80 IgorYozhikov jpena | 13:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena number80 | 13:00 |
jpena | o/ | 13:00 |
number80 | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 13:00 |
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jruzicka | o/ | 13:00 |
number80 | my man Jakub :) | 13:00 |
dirk | moin moin | 13:02 |
dirk | toabctl is still ooo | 13:02 |
number80 | ok | 13:03 |
number80 | let's start then | 13:03 |
number80 | #topic nova, glance, cinder, neutron how, who, when? | 13:03 |
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IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:03 |
IgorYozhikov | want to clarify our future plans | 13:03 |
number80 | ok, I volunteer for glance/cinder | 13:04 |
IgorYozhikov | and your opinion about it | 13:04 |
IgorYozhikov | because of one of goals been set in Barcelona - dev-core in Ocata | 13:04 |
number80 | Yep, since the cycle was short, we couldn't move as fast but we landed keystone | 13:04 |
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number80 | so let's keep trying min cloud | 13:05 |
IgorYozhikov | horizon is on the way and that is good, very soon hope all required deps will be built | 13:05 |
number80 | Yes | 13:05 |
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IgorYozhikov | I can take nova | 13:06 |
number80 | ack | 13:06 |
IgorYozhikov | and who want to take neutron? | 13:06 |
number80 | #action number80 to package glance, cinder | 13:06 |
number80 | #action IgorYozhikov to package nova | 13:06 |
IgorYozhikov | I know that neutron looks a painful | 13:07 |
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IgorYozhikov | volunteers? | 13:07 |
jpena | I'll go for neutron, looks like fun | 13:07 |
number80 | #action jpena to package neutron | 13:08 |
IgorYozhikov | yey! | 13:08 |
number80 | thanks, well, network sounds to me like no fun but that's a personal bias :D | 13:08 |
IgorYozhikov | so, very soon we will have nova,cinder,glance,neutron & horizon. That's good | 13:09 |
IgorYozhikov | Any thoughts how to check all them together? | 13:09 |
IgorYozhikov | puppet, ansible,etc? | 13:10 |
IgorYozhikov | I'm about basic functionality | 13:10 |
IgorYozhikov | without swift,ceph, neutron-*aas | 13:10 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: can you remove the -2 btw and work on the dashboard review? | 13:10 |
IgorYozhikov | dirk - yes, will do | 13:10 |
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number80 | Yes | 13:11 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: well, at suse we have a small quickstart script (its like devstack but using packages) | 13:11 |
dirk | we could add it to the suse ci | 13:11 |
dirk | to be honest the current packaging isn't far enough yet to worry about that | 13:11 |
dirk | for now building packages would be nice | 13:12 |
number80 | We'll look into reusing puppet manifests (low-level stuff) and maybe packstack (I need to check with jpena and amoralej feasibility) | 13:12 |
number80 | *about | 13:12 |
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IgorYozhikov | packstack also looks good, just AIO with small config | 13:12 |
jpena | number80: puppet modules/packstack are an option, if there are not many changes with package names or locations | 13:12 |
IgorYozhikov | could be run as periodic job | 13:13 |
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jpena | I can have a look at it once we've created the basic services | 13:13 |
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number80 | jpena: thank you :) | 13:13 |
IgorYozhikov | looks like we covered 2 things at ones. | 13:14 |
dirk | so any service left? | 13:14 |
IgorYozhikov | heat | 13:14 |
dirk | looks like all is covered by number80 / jpena | 13:15 |
dirk | heat is basic? :) | 13:15 |
IgorYozhikov | not sure | 13:15 |
jpena | it's 2nd batch for me :) | 13:15 |
* number80 do not know anything about that heat thing | 13:15 | |
IgorYozhikov | dirk, may be swift then | 13:15 |
number80 | swift is basic indeed | 13:15 |
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dirk | number80: good excuse ;) | 13:16 |
number80 | :) | 13:17 |
dirk | ok, I'll see about swift. | 13:17 |
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number80 | ack | 13:17 |
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dirk | did we ever decide about the package splitting? | 13:18 |
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IgorYozhikov | dirk, are you about tests || about something else? | 13:19 |
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dirk | well, let me explain the standard openstack packaging with suse | 13:20 |
dirk | we have a python-$modulename subpackage | 13:20 |
dirk | then we have a openstack-$modulename package | 13:20 |
dirk | and a openstack-$modulename-$servicename subpackage that only contains the stuff for launching that service (systemd files for example) | 13:20 |
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dirk | it looks like we tried to do something similar to that with the keystone packaging | 13:21 |
dirk | although mistral deviates from that again | 13:21 |
dirk | also do you call horizon dashboard or horizon? :) | 13:21 |
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IgorYozhikov | dirk, in http path? | 13:22 |
IgorYozhikov | afaik horizon = debina/ubuntu & dashboard - RH/CentOS | 13:23 |
dirk | from the package naming | 13:23 |
IgorYozhikov | don't know how in SUSE | 13:23 |
dirk | as I said, we call it openstack-dashboard | 13:24 |
dirk | mostly because for historical reasons wthough, because in folsom timeframe or so someone said horizon will be renamed to dashboard soon | 13:24 |
dirk | so we wanted to be correct from the beginning :) looks like this never happened though | 13:24 |
number80 | Yeah | 13:26 |
IgorYozhikov | openstack-dashboard looks fine | 13:26 |
IgorYozhikov | according to https://review.rdoproject.org/r/#/c/3923/3/python-django-horizon.spec RDO is using same name | 13:27 |
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IgorYozhikov | in MOS we use openstack-dashboard too | 13:29 |
dirk | ok | 13:30 |
IgorYozhikov | dirk, if any1 agree about package structure, should we take keystone as a reference for further packages? | 13:30 |
dirk | #agreed horizon is called openstack-dashboard | 13:31 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: well, keystone is a bad example as it doesn't follow that structure :) | 13:31 |
dirk | e.g. the wsgi app is not installed in a -app subpackage | 13:31 |
IgorYozhikov | got it | 13:31 |
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IgorYozhikov | moving forward? | 13:32 |
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dirk | +1 | 13:33 |
IgorYozhikov | number80, jpena ? ^^ | 13:34 |
jpena | yep | 13:34 |
IgorYozhikov | #topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 13:34 |
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number80 | +1 | 13:35 |
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IgorYozhikov | MOS will update today python-django-compressor - https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/29876/3 | 13:37 |
IgorYozhikov | any urgent PRs for review? | 13:38 |
dirk | well, the whole ocata series | 13:38 |
number80 | Yep | 13:38 |
dirk | Ideally I'd like us to cut a stable/ocata branch somewhen soon | 13:38 |
dirk | we started packaging Ocata, and I don#t want to fork from upstream | 13:38 |
number80 | when's the branching for the other projects? | 13:38 |
dirk | "it depends" | 13:39 |
IgorYozhikov | libs & clients in a week or 2 before services | 13:39 |
IgorYozhikov | i think | 13:39 |
dirk | non-client lib freeze is today | 13:39 |
dirk | so they have stable branches | 13:39 |
dirk | the rest is coming next week | 13:39 |
dirk | thats why I'm frantically trying to get stuff into master | 13:40 |
dirk | :) | 13:40 |
number80 | ok, I'll schedule branching early next week | 13:40 |
number80 | and push for reviews now | 13:40 |
IgorYozhikov | I reviewed a lot of PRs today | 13:41 |
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number80 | ack | 13:43 |
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number80 | anything else? | 13:45 |
IgorYozhikov | nope | 13:45 |
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number80 | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open | 13:45 |
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number80 | (no pymod2pkg review, I merged the pystache one) | 13:45 |
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number80 | I don't see any urgent review there, but someone may have a different opinion | 13:46 |
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dirk | looks good | 13:46 |
number80 | ok, then open floor | 13:47 |
number80 | #topic open floor | 13:47 |
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number80 | any specific topic you want to bring before we close the meeting? | 13:47 |
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IgorYozhikov | any updates on ptg? | 13:48 |
number80 | I haven't received any email yet, though TC is gathering opinion of some openstack goals | 13:49 |
number80 | schedule is not yet published | 13:50 |
IgorYozhikov | thnx | 13:50 |
dirk | number80: see governance/goals/pike | 13:51 |
dirk | there is one (?) review pending still | 13:51 |
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number80 | Yep | 13:53 |
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dirk | the accepted goal was python 3.5 voting everywhere and working for "base" set of services | 13:55 |
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IgorYozhikov | yes, I asked how to solve exe name issues, via update-alternatives for example | 13:57 |
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number80 | Yes | 13:57 |
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dirk | one thing I was wondering - do we want to remove the global-requirements copy in rpm-packaging? | 13:57 |
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dirk | I never got around fixing the bot, and mos ci doesn't use it (and rdo and mos just ignore it anyway since they don#t do global rebuilds) | 13:58 |
dirk | so its only there for suse ci, and I can probably hack that locally | 13:58 |
IgorYozhikov | mos ci uses g-r from rpm-packaging | 13:58 |
IgorYozhikov | during builds | 13:58 |
dirk | I thought it uses the one from g-r? | 13:58 |
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IgorYozhikov | dirk, I'll check it & let you know | 13:59 |
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number80 | dirk: we can remove it and allow local overrides if needed (and agreed by CI masters) | 13:59 |
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IgorYozhikov | we have fall-back | 14:00 |
IgorYozhikov | 13:53:50 + '[' NEW = MERGED ']' | 14:00 |
IgorYozhikov | 13:53:50 + mkdir artifacts | 14:00 |
IgorYozhikov | 13:53:50 + '[' -f global-requirements.txt ']' | 14:00 |
IgorYozhikov | 13:53:50 + cp global-requirements.txt artifacts/ | 14:00 |
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IgorYozhikov | time colleagues :( | 14:01 |
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IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:02 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 14:02:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-19-13.00.html | 14:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-19-13.00.txt | 14:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-19-13.00.log.html | 14:02 |
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number80 | thanks and see you next week! | 14:02 |
slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 14:03:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:03 |
slashme | Hello everyone :-) | 14:03 |
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raliev | hey slashme, hey everyone :) | 14:04 |
szaher_ | Hello everyone | 14:04 |
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slashme | As usual, you can find the meeting notes and agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:06 |
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dstepanenko | hello everyone | 14:07 |
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slashme | #topic pike_ptl | 14:10 |
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slashme | As most of you know, I won't be running for PTL for the Pike cycle | 14:10 |
slashme | I posted an email in the mailing list to announce that, but I'd like to take a minute to thank all of you | 14:11 |
slashme | Thanks for contributing to Freezer :-) | 14:12 |
yangyapeng_ | thank you slashme | 14:12 |
szaher_ | I would like to apply to be the Pike PTL that would be a great chance for me to contribute do more with freezer | 14:12 |
szaher_ | Thanks slashme | 14:12 |
raliev | slashme, thank you for your work :) | 14:12 |
slashme | I think that's a great idea. szaher | 14:12 |
dstepanenko | thank you too, slashme :) as for me you payed enough attention to all the things I asked to take a look, so thanks for that :) | 14:13 |
szaher_ | It would be a great chance for me to work closely with the existing great team to keep freezer moving forward and add more features | 14:13 |
slashme | Also, I would like to nominate raliev to a position in the core team. | 14:13 |
szaher_ | +1 | 14:13 |
yangyapeng_ | +1 | 14:13 |
dstepanenko | +1 | 14:14 |
slashme | We have the policy of waiting for a developper to contribute one big feature before adding them. As soon as this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409796/ gets merge, you qualify. | 14:14 |
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raliev | slashme, guys - thank you a lot! This is a great honor for me :) | 14:14 |
slashme | I'm sure other will follow soon :-) | 14:14 |
slashme | I'll send the email later today or tomorrow. Please check your inbox and +1 on the mailing list as usual. | 14:15 |
slashme | I guess that's it for the administrative part | 14:15 |
slashme | #topic Optimize freezer-web-ui | 14:16 |
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szaher_ | slashme raliev I will be testing this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409796/ very soon to get it merged | 14:16 |
slashme | I am testing it as well at the moment | 14:16 |
slashme | Optimize freezer-web-ui (Solicitation bug): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421634 | 14:16 |
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raliev | slashme, szaher_ okay, if you have any questions or comments - I'll reply | 14:17 |
szaher_ | Thanks raliev | 14:18 |
yangyapeng | szaher_: slashme | 14:18 |
slashme | #topic Pending Reviews: | 14:18 |
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slashme | I updated the list here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:18 |
yangyapeng | please review this patch about the client register https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421634 | 14:19 |
slashme | Patch in the "Small" list should be quick to review. Please take some time to review some of the patch in the "Big" list, they are the one needing more attention. | 14:19 |
szaher_ | yangyapeng ? | 14:20 |
yangyapeng | Sorry, i forget it . that client register could register have more clinet_id in a host name | 14:20 |
yangyapeng | szaher_: why is it that register more one client_id in a hostname | 14:22 |
yangyapeng | szaher_: if we should have a limit | 14:22 |
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szaher_ | The client registration uses the hostname as client id | 14:23 |
slashme | We want to change that at some point: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/better-client-id | 14:23 |
yangyapeng | slashme: szaher_ now, freezerclient freezer client-register can register more one client | 14:25 |
yangyapeng | slashme: oh, i see the spec, it is better | 14:26 |
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raliev | We need to change mechanism of registering clients (schedulers) according to the bp | 14:28 |
szaher_ | I could be nice if we can manage the clients from freezer-api, like allowing clients to register jobs or not, what kind of jobs this client can do and stuff like that | 14:29 |
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szaher_ | that might be useful for admins to manage their backups and clients from a centralized point of view | 14:30 |
raliev | yep and we should track what clients are available for the moment | 14:30 |
slashme | raliev: +1 | 14:30 |
yangyapeng | if we have a hostname in a conf, as a same as nova-compute | 14:30 |
slashme | This is planned in the blueprint with last_poll_date | 14:31 |
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yangyapeng | so, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422349/ this patch could need more a change in the future | 14:32 |
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slashme | Yes it might require some change. | 14:36 |
slashme | #topic free | 14:36 |
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slashme | Anything else that you want to discuss ? | 14:36 |
dstepanenko | yep | 14:36 |
dstepanenko | there's a blueprint for freezer-dr https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/quasi-live-vm-backup | 14:37 |
dstepanenko | I was looking into freezer-dr tool and wonder why this strange quasi-live backup was chosen instead of using normal live migration | 14:38 |
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dstepanenko | or probably I'm missing something and these are 2 different features which can exist on the same time | 14:38 |
yangyapeng | i think szaher_ should have a good idea | 14:38 |
yangyapeng | hello Allen_ | 14:39 |
yangyapeng | ping Allen_ | 14:39 |
dstepanenko | so, what was the original purpose of quasi live backup thing | 14:39 |
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slashme | In freezer-dr, we use evacuation instead of migration (same thing in the end) | 14:40 |
slashme | As far as I know. We never implemented that blueprint. It is very very old | 14:40 |
yangyapeng | evacuate --on-share-storage | 14:41 |
dstepanenko | ok, what about using live migration? Did we have such plans? Judging by documentation we has | 14:41 |
dstepanenko | but do we have them now? | 14:41 |
dstepanenko | because in https://github.com/openstack/freezer-dr/blob/master/README.rst you can find | 14:42 |
dstepanenko | Any evacuation driver (currently supports evacuate api call, may be migrate ??) | 14:42 |
slashme | Yes, I guess we could implement an evacuate driver. | 14:43 |
slashme | szaher ? Any comment on that ? | 14:43 |
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dstepanenko | as far as I know there's already implementation of evacuate driver | 14:44 |
dstepanenko | the question is - is there any reason we use live migration as an alternative for that purposes? there are customers which are interested in it | 14:44 |
dstepanenko | is there any reason we can't use live migration | 14:45 |
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dstepanenko | sorry, misspeled | 14:45 |
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yangyapeng | live-migration api must be nova-compute is up and enable | 14:46 |
slashme | evacuation is meant to be used when the compute node is down. Live migration is meant to be used when the compute node is up. These are two different usecase | 14:47 |
dstepanenko | yes, you're right | 14:47 |
yangyapeng | :) | 14:48 |
dstepanenko | then I'm gonna propose blueprint for being able use live migration in case compute node is up | 14:48 |
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dstepanenko | don't you mind? | 14:48 |
yangyapeng | dstepanenko: but ,if nova-compute is up, what is freezer-dr a role? | 14:50 |
dstepanenko | I think there are use cases when node is alive, but there are some issues on it | 14:52 |
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dstepanenko | so, it's allowed to do live migration but it's not in a good shape | 14:53 |
dstepanenko | because of some of it's services which are not relevant to live migration ability | 14:53 |
dstepanenko | does it make sense? | 14:53 |
slashme | It makes sense | 14:54 |
slashme | I did not think about this usecase | 14:54 |
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slashme | Okay. We are running out of time. | 14:58 |
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slashme | Thank you all for your participation :-) | 14:58 |
slashme | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 14:59:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-19-14.03.html | 14:59 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-19-14.03.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-19-14.03.log.html | 14:59 |
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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 15:01:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
ganso | hello | 15:01 |
gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
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tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
Yogi1 | Hi | 15:01 |
vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
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bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
bswartz | feature freeze is next week | 15:01 |
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jprovazn | hi | 15:02 |
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xyang1 | hi | 15:02 |
bswartz | as always we're aiming to merge everything by tuesday | 15:02 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: by the end of Tuesday? | 15:02 |
markstur | hi | 15:02 |
gouthamr | bswartz: can we set https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus in the topic for #openstack-manila | 15:02 |
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vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: good idea | 15:03 |
tommylikehu_ | hi | 15:03 |
dustins | \o | 15:03 |
tommylikehu_ | hey xyang1 | 15:03 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: yes if we could have every patch merged by end of Tuesday I'd be thrilled | 15:03 |
tommylikehu_ | I just saw your email;( | 15:03 |
xyang1 | tommylikehu_: hi | 15:03 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: propheting -> we will not | 15:04 |
bswartz | more realistically we might need to push some things out | 15:04 |
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bswartz | we can discuss this more in the next topic | 15:04 |
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bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
bswartz | #topic Specs implementation status | 15:05 |
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bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus | 15:05 |
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bswartz | so a few things have been merging, but we're not moving fast enough to hit out target | 15:05 |
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bswartz | There are still 6 specs and 2 drivers waiting -- all of these met out deadlines I believe (might need to double check on the new drivers) | 15:06 |
ganso | bswartz: there are driver features as well | 15:06 |
bswartz | there are 4 days including today and next tuesday to merge all of this, so unless we average 2 big patches per day, something will slip | 15:07 |
gouthamr | bswartz: all three met the FPF/Driver deadlines | 15:07 |
bswartz | it's just the reality of how much time we have left | 15:07 |
bswartz | ganso: yes thanks for pointing out that we have some small patches too | 15:07 |
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bswartz | let's go over the remaining ones real quick in case we need to discuss any as a group | 15:08 |
bswartz | #topic fix-and-improve-access-rules | 15:08 |
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bswartz | I see lots of patch sets and comments here | 15:09 |
gouthamr | being actively reviewed | 15:09 |
bswartz | is it ready? | 15:09 |
bswartz | I haven't reviewed this one -- are we just nitpicking or are there big problems? | 15:09 |
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vponomaryov | mostly it is ok | 15:09 |
ganso | LGTM | 15:10 |
bswartz | okay this one is high priority -- let's get it in and move on | 15:10 |
markstur | most is ok | 15:10 |
bswartz | #topic ipv6 | 15:10 |
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tommylikehu_ | well | 15:10 |
gouthamr | i'll help tbarron with reviewing these patches today | 15:11 |
tommylikehu_ | thanks | 15:11 |
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tbarron | i don't think i'm just nitpicking fwiw | 15:11 |
tommylikehu_ | hope it can make it to Ocata | 15:11 |
bswartz | tbarron: on the last one? | 15:11 |
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tbarron | yeah, but I'm for the change over all | 15:12 |
gouthamr | tommylikehu_: did you have any other driver patch as well? | 15:12 |
tommylikehu_ | no.. | 15:12 |
bswartz | tbarron: if you're not confident your issues can be addressed, let's try to solve the problem, or else we should -2 it an move on to other things that can merge | 15:12 |
tbarron | we are trying to solve | 15:12 |
tommylikehu_ | our driver teams are busy with cinder's CI issues | 15:12 |
bswartz | tbarron: I mean let's discuss it in this meeting or in the channel afterwards | 15:13 |
bswartz | back to ipv6 though | 15:13 |
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bswartz | this one is next up on my list | 15:13 |
bswartz | tbarron and gouthamr are the official reviewers though | 15:13 |
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tommylikehu_ | that would be great | 15:13 |
gouthamr | tommylikehu_: okay, thanks... the huawei CI for manila has been flaky and not-reporting or the logs are inaccessible. spoke with a couple of your folks yesterday.. | 15:14 |
bswartz | remember we marked the access rules spec and the ipv6 spec high priority | 15:14 |
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tommylikehu_ | gouthamr: oh no .. | 15:14 |
bswartz | let's stay on topic guys | 15:14 |
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bswartz | #topic eliminate-race-conditions | 15:15 |
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bswartz | need another core to sign up to review this | 15:15 |
gouthamr | tbh, this has been around since early newton.. can i help in any way to drive review attention to this? | 15:16 |
xyang1 | bswartz: I signed up | 15:16 |
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bswartz | xyang1: ty | 15:16 |
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gouthamr | thank you xyang1 | 15:16 |
bswartz | I'm going to skiup over the drivers, but I'll remark that we need another reviewer for each | 15:17 |
bswartz | xyang1: aren't you doing a lot of the reviews for the new EMC driver? | 15:17 |
xyang1 | bswartz: yes, I think it's ready now | 15:17 |
bswartz | #topic mountable-snapshots | 15:17 |
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cknight | bswartz: I'm reviewing the EMC driver, too | 15:18 |
bswartz | cknight you're on the etherpad but xyang isn't | 15:18 |
bswartz | ganso/gouthamr/vponomarov how is mountable snapshots | 15:18 |
bswartz | this is another I haven't reveiwed personally | 15:18 |
ganso | this one needs more review attention. There is this snapshot_access helper that hasn't been reviewed at all, and I am trying to address Valeriy's comments, but I find some of them highly unfeasible due to time constraints | 15:19 |
bswartz | ganso: what are you suggesting? | 15:19 |
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ganso | I suggest that we discuss some of those unfeasible items | 15:19 |
bswartz | ganso: you want us to compromise on that or are you suggesting we punt on the feature? | 15:19 |
ganso | many of those comments are opposed to what's in the spec, and I personally do not see a problem with them | 15:20 |
bswartz | ganso: is it something we can cover in <5 minutes? | 15:20 |
ganso | bswartz: we can try, I'll try to summarize | 15:20 |
bswartz | oh well if the code does what the spec says we should just merge it | 15:20 |
bswartz | the time for those comments was at spec review time | 15:21 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: spec does not cover lots of places | 15:21 |
ganso | 1) Valeriy suggested that we use the existing export locations table instead of creating snapshot_export_locations table | 15:21 |
bswartz | (in theory) | 15:21 |
bswartz | why does that matter? | 15:21 |
ganso | it is a big refactor to do that ^, and if we plan to do that later, we shouldn't do this now because db migrations will be more complicated in time | 15:21 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: I don't think reuse of a DB table for something like this matters much] | 15:22 |
ganso | 2) Valeriy asked that the snapshot-export-locations and snapshot-instance-export-locations controllers to be merged into the snapshot controller... this is inconsistent with the shares controller | 15:22 |
vponomaryov | what will be better for feature? - it is the question that should be answered | 15:22 |
bswartz | reuse could have some small benefits but it also has some obvious downsides | 15:22 |
gouthamr | let's take that discussion to the review. i agree with ganso here. i don't see the reason to overload. we didn't do this with group type specs when we could have just added another column to extra specs | 15:22 |
ganso | and I personally find the above ^ harder to manage | 15:22 |
bswartz | I think valeriy might be alone in his opinion about (1) | 15:23 |
vponomaryov | it is support of 3 pairs of alike-tables | 15:24 |
vponomaryov | that will be the same all the time | 15:24 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: similar but not necessarily identical | 15:24 |
bswartz | the flexibility to change them independently might matter someday | 15:24 |
bswartz | and if it never does, we could merge them at some future time | 15:25 |
vponomaryov | and ti was a question | 15:25 |
bswartz | okay | 15:25 |
vponomaryov | have it been considered or no | 15:25 |
bswartz | (2) seems to be like another implementation choice which won't matter much in the long run | 15:26 |
bswartz | code reuse is good, but if we overdo it we can build ourselves a straightjacket | 15:26 |
vponomaryov | ganso does not say that it is implemented different way than other alike-nested-objects | 15:26 |
bswartz | controllers for snapshots and shares being different doesn't really bother me | 15:27 |
vponomaryov | 'shares' approach is not ideal | 15:27 |
vponomaryov | speaking from what-we-can-do point | 15:27 |
ganso | to accomplish (2) it would require a lot of effort, it is a major api refactor considering how it is right now | 15:27 |
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bswartz | we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good | 15:27 |
vponomaryov | ganso: it is not | 15:27 |
bswartz | the reality is that it's either good enough now or it's getting punted to pike | 15:28 |
gouthamr | quote of the day :) | 15:28 |
gouthamr | i knew i didn't have to open the forbes website | 15:28 |
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ganso | I think we haven't had enough reviewers to call out for "it looks good" or "it is mostly good" | 15:28 |
vponomaryov | in toher words, Rodrigo says "we should merge it as is, no matter how many concers are raised" | 15:28 |
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bswartz | I'm okay with punthing things to pike | 15:29 |
ganso | vponomaryov: I didn't say merge as is, I said we need reviewers... I personally do not agree with your 2 requests, but if there are other big requests that I agree with, I'd agree it should be punted to ocata | 15:29 |
bswartz | but in this case it sounds like we'd be doing so for reasons that wouldn't matter at all from an end user perspective | 15:29 |
ganso | *pike ^ | 15:29 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: ok, just mark it as need more eyes | 15:30 |
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bswartz | I'm hearing that it's just code beauty issue | 15:30 |
vponomaryov | it is code maintenance | 15:30 |
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bswartz | yes maintainability matters, but something merging 2 things which are separate can make code harder to maintain | 15:31 |
bswartz | it's a tough judgement call | 15:31 |
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bswartz | s/something/sometimes/ | 15:31 |
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vponomaryov | that is why we need more eyes there then ) | 15:31 |
bswartz | okay we'll try to get more eyes on mountable snapshots | 15:31 |
bswartz | let's move on | 15:31 |
bswartz | #topic share groups | 15:32 |
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vponomaryov | ready | 15:32 |
bswartz | oh I see markstur just added his name (or someone else added markstur) | 15:32 |
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vponomaryov | only xyang had comments, all are resolved | 15:32 |
markstur | yeah. xyang looked lonely | 15:32 |
bswartz | thanks markstur for signing up -- I can also help here but I'm spread a bit thin | 15:32 |
xyang1 | I'm going to test it, but so far it looks fine by code inspection | 15:32 |
cknight | vponomaryov: add yourself as a co-author to the client patch | 15:33 |
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cknight | vponomaryov: and potentially all of them | 15:33 |
bswartz | #topic migration improvements | 15:33 |
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vponomaryov | cknight: actually, even in server side I was "writing" some parts from scratch | 15:33 |
bswartz | personally I care more about this one than mountable snasphots | 15:34 |
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ganso | it is ready, just your comments are the last ones to be addressed, I am waiting for your response on some of them. Some of them touch decisions made far back in the past about share instances | 15:34 |
gouthamr | Yogi1 and I are testing migration improvements - afaics LGTM, we need test results that we'll post soon | 15:34 |
bswartz | It was pointed out to me today that snake_case is actually preferred to hyphen-case so I'm going to withdraw those comments | 15:34 |
ganso | the comment about showing "error" snapshot instances | 15:35 |
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ganso | it is valid based on the fact that the user needs to get rid of the error status in order to migrate | 15:35 |
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bswartz | okay I'll take another look at this today | 15:35 |
ganso | but we decided back then that when we have multiple instances, we only show the available or, more importantly, the active one that is under a transitional status | 15:35 |
gouthamr | ^ tbarron this relates to our discussion around share and share instance proxying too | 15:35 |
tbarron | yes | 15:36 |
bswartz | ganso: let's keep that conversation going in PMs | 15:36 |
ganso | bswartz: ok | 15:36 |
bswartz | I should point out that we have 2 netapp ppl signed up to review this and under our rules that's not enough to merge it | 15:36 |
tommylikehu_ | what is ppl | 15:37 |
ganso | tommylikehu_: people | 15:37 |
vponomaryov | people ) | 15:37 |
gouthamr | tommylikehu_: people | 15:37 |
bswartz | so if we can get a 3rd reviewer that would be great | 15:37 |
tommylikehu_ | thanks | 15:37 |
ganso | markstur and vponomaryov have contributed to reviewing migration | 15:37 |
* gouthamr gah, should have told tommylikehu_ that it stands for someone uber cool | 15:37 | |
ganso | xyang1 as well | 15:37 |
vponomaryov | ganso: tsss | 15:38 |
bswartz | we'll just need an extra +2 before we can workflow | 15:38 |
bswartz | otherwise it will technically be a ninja merge of a major feature, which is bad | 15:38 |
bswartz | alright that's it | 15:39 |
bswartz | I'll say briefly that I have a good feeling about the specs process so far -- it's put a limit on how much stuff we've had to look at | 15:39 |
markstur | that was easy | 15:39 |
gouthamr | yeah it only took 40 mins | 15:40 |
bswartz | I think I'd debatable whether we set the limit too high but we will revisit that question after FF | 15:40 |
bswartz | okay ravichandran threw out a bunch of questions | 15:40 |
bswartz | #topic Filterscheduler warning in logs | 15:40 |
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bswartz | ravichandran you here? | 15:40 |
bswartz | "WARNING manila.scheduler.manager [-] Scheduler driver path manila.scheduler.filter_scheduler.FilterScheduler is deprecated, update your configuration to the new path manila.scheduler.drivers.filter.FilterScheduler " | 15:41 |
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bswartz | this looks like an issue with the default value being deprecated? | 15:41 |
gouthamr | ^ we didn't have release notes back then... | 15:41 |
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tbarron | probably it's time to clean that one up | 15:41 |
bswartz | well I'm wondering if devstack has a bug | 15:41 |
gouthamr | also, it's deprecated for over a release now.. we should remove the compatibility code | 15:42 |
bswartz | we should make sure we're not using the deprecated value first | 15:42 |
tbarron | yeah, you said what I was trying to saY, gouthamr | 15:42 |
markstur | bswartz: +1 | 15:42 |
bswartz | most of us ignore that kind of log spam I think | 15:43 |
bswartz | but it's an indication of a bug waiting to happen, so let's deal with it | 15:43 |
vponomaryov | such kind of thing just should be proposed as gerrit patch, nothing to discuss IMHO | 15:43 |
bswartz | yeah the issue is that ravichandran doesn't know that so we're telling everything | 15:43 |
bswartz | and since ravichandran isn't here we'll skip the rest of his topics | 15:43 |
tbarron | and right after FF is a good time for such changes | 15:43 |
gouthamr | +1 | 15:44 |
bswartz | #topic PTG | 15:44 |
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bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics | 15:44 |
bswartz | we are still collecting topics | 15:44 |
gouthamr | "How to see the recently committed changes to (master branch ) /config-reference/shared-file-systems/drivers/hpe-3par-share-driver.html in docs.openstack.org.(ravichandran)" -> http://docs.openstack.org/draft/config-reference/ | 15:44 |
bswartz | add them to the etherpad as they come up | 15:44 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: just email/PM him directly | 15:45 |
bswartz | PTG is just a month away | 15:45 |
tommylikehu_ | tbarron: what is VMT process? | 15:46 |
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bswartz | next week we'll give more time to PTG stuff but just reminding you to update the etherpad with topics that come up during code reviews, etc | 15:46 |
bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:46 |
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tbarron | tommylikehu_: edited etherpad | 15:47 |
bswartz | okay we have some time to cover anything else | 15:47 |
bswartz | we can go into more detail on issues with new features if we need to | 15:47 |
ganso | we can discuss that one that snapshot instance 'error' status now if you prefer | 15:48 |
bswartz | ganso: I dunno if anyone else is interested in that | 15:48 |
bswartz | but if it's all we have, go ahead | 15:48 |
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gouthamr | tbarron and i are... i think its a bigger topic for the ptg | 15:48 |
ganso | so, you commented that ERROR status for snapshot instance should be shown instead of available | 15:49 |
bswartz | yes | 15:49 |
ganso | because the user has to get rid of those in order to migrate | 15:49 |
bswartz | if you have multiple instances and one of them is in an error state, it seems like the whole object must be in error too | 15:49 |
ganso | but back then, we decided that we do not care about instances in those status unless they are the sole/active instance | 15:49 |
bswartz | that's a signal that an admin needs to go clean something up to return that share/snapshot to a healthy state | 15:50 |
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ganso | yes, but in replication, and you do a manila list, why would you list that one if the active instance is "available" ? | 15:50 |
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ganso | this, in fact, brings up the 2nd part of my question, which is, what does error represent? can we just ignore instances in 'error' status? would be a proper solution for me to code in migration to migrate and delete the error'ed ones that are left behind? I am concerned about possible data loss, if there is any data associated with those snapshot instances | 15:52 |
bswartz | okay maybe this is the key | 15:52 |
bswartz | we shouldn't use error if it's something that can be safely ignored | 15:52 |
bswartz | error should be for when something needs admin attention | 15:53 |
bswartz | for replication we have the concept of "out of sync" replicas | 15:53 |
gouthamr | ganso: we no longer ignore error-ed instances in the access-rules API | 15:53 |
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gouthamr | ganso: maybe it's a question per action... | 15:54 |
bswartz | those are temporarily unusual but will eventually self-heal and become usable again | 15:54 |
ganso | gouthamr: we still do wrt share instances | 15:54 |
ganso | gouthamr: and there's possibly data in those instances | 15:54 |
tbarron | 'untable' ? | 15:54 |
bswartz | s/unusual/unusable/ | 15:54 |
gouthamr | bswartz: yes, those replicas will never go to error | 15:55 |
tbarron | 'unstable' I mean, as a replacement for 'error' when it is temporarily unusable? | 15:55 |
bswartz | IMO a migration error absolutely needs to be cleaned up before you can do more with that share | 15:55 |
ganso | bswartz: it is a previous snapshot instance in error status, before issuing migration-start | 15:55 |
bswartz | ignoring an error in a migration and trying to continue to operate on that share seems like it will lead to data loss with high probability | 15:55 |
bswartz | what do you mean "previous"? | 15:56 |
bswartz | when you start migrating you only have 1 instance | 15:56 |
ganso | bswartz: like, an existing snapshot with 2 instances | 15:56 |
bswartz | and that instance is either healthy or not healthy | 15:56 |
bswartz | ganso: how could that happen? | 15:56 |
ganso | bswartz: driver assisted migration | 15:57 |
bswartz | those instances are created after you start the migration I thought | 15:57 |
ganso | bswartz: it is true that we do not support migration of replicated shares | 15:57 |
ganso | gouthamr: is there any way to have more than one snapshot instance on a non-replicated share? | 15:58 |
bswartz | IMO the only way you can end up with error snapshot instance is if you already tried and failed to do a migration with preserve-snapshots | 15:58 |
ganso | bswartz: the destination instance is, but we are still consider one instance | 15:58 |
bswartz | and in that case you need to completely clean up the error before you can proceed | 15:58 |
ganso | bswartz: yes, that scenario is handled | 15:59 |
ganso | bswartz: I thought your comment was more generic | 15:59 |
bswartz | so we can agree then that errors are always fatal and error status should appear first in the sort list | 15:59 |
ganso | bswartz: but we don't care about the destination instance | 15:59 |
bswartz | non-fatal conditions should be called something other than error | 16:00 |
ganso | bswartz: the source/active instance must remain in available status | 16:00 |
ganso | bswartz: when migration fails and it is aborted, the destination instance is cleaned up | 16:00 |
ganso | bswartz: the only case not cleaned up is when migration-complete fails during a driver-assisted migration | 16:00 |
bswartz | k | 16:00 |
gouthamr | time check | 16:00 |
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bswartz | sorry my phone rang | 16:01 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 16:01:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-19-15.01.html | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-19-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-19-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 16:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 16:59:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
hyakuhei | Ooops, 7 seconds early. | 16:59 |
lhinds | hey! | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | Hey lhinds ! | 17:00 |
lhinds | hi hyakuhei | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | Nice to see you! | 17:00 |
lhinds | happy new year (I was off for awhile) | 17:00 |
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hyakuhei | Lets wait a moment or two for others to roll in | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | To you too :) | 17:00 |
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knangia | O/ | 17:01 |
rarora | hi | 17:01 |
capnoday | o/ | 17:01 |
lhinds | o/ | 17:01 |
hyakuhei | o/ hey guys | 17:02 |
sigmavirus | o/ | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | As you know we're looking to run a tight, 30 minute meeting | 17:02 |
sicarie | o/ | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | sicarie too! sweet | 17:02 |
michaelxin | o/ | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda security agenda for this week | 17:02 |
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hyakuhei | Please feel free to add things to that and we'll try to fit everything in | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | hi tkelseym michaelxin | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | tkelsey | 17:03 |
tkelsey | o/ | 17:03 |
tkelsey | sorry im late | 17:03 |
michaelxin | hyakuhei hi | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | Righto, moving swiftly to the first item | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | #topic PTL | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | The elections are this coming week, similar format as before I think (i.e Gerrit + ML announcement) | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | I will be standing for PTL after I secured time to spend on OpenStack PTL things from my mgmt | 17:04 |
capnoday | great! | 17:04 |
michaelxin | cool | 17:04 |
michaelxin | Thanks | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | I also encourage others to stand, new blood and all that :) | 17:04 |
capnoday | anyone else want to run? michaelxin lhinds sicarie sigmavirus? | 17:04 |
redrobot | o/ | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | omg redrobot hai! | 17:05 |
sigmavirus | Why do people keep volunteering me to run for PTL or TC? | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | Just talking PTL things | 17:05 |
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capnoday | redrobot! fancy running or PTL | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | sigmavirus you seem to know all the things. | 17:05 |
michaelxin | haha | 17:05 |
lhinds | i think on a later cycle maybe | 17:05 |
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sigmavirus | hyakuhei: but I have none of the time ;) | 17:05 |
lhinds | happy hyakuhei is going forward for now | 17:05 |
sigmavirus | And I'm a master of illusion | 17:05 |
redrobot | capnoday nay... unless hyakuhei is retiring, then... maybe? | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | Ok, the PTL info isn't always the easiest to find, let me know if you're interested and I'll hook you up with the relevant stuff. | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | redrobot not this time around ;) | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | Any questions on PTL things before we move on? | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | (Other than capnoday trying to replace me with pretty much anyone...) | 17:06 |
sicarie | nope, good luck! | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | cheers | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | Right, next up is the PTG - not far away now | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | #topic PTG | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team | 17:07 |
sigmavirus | hyakuhei: I think capnoday wants healthy competition =P | 17:07 |
redrobot | I've got my fingers crossed that I'll get to go... | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | As we discussed at length previously, resources are tight and we don't have a huge number of people going. That doesn't mean others can't contribute remotely though. | 17:07 |
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hyakuhei | Interesting topic just been added there re: Barbican/Vault | 17:08 |
hyakuhei | My expectation is that it may be easier to have a Barbican plugin for Vault, similar to the KMIP plugin that doesn't do anything clever with MKEK etc, just uses Vault as it's store. | 17:09 |
redrobot | yeah, my use case has changed from wanting to run a global hsm-backed barbican deployment to runnin many software-based small barbican deployments. | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | Hah | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | who knew that would happen.... | 17:09 |
* hyakuhei hides. | 17:09 | |
redrobot | so I did spend some time looking into the wiring | 17:09 |
capnoday | hahaha | 17:09 |
redrobot | the tricky part is mapping Keystone tokens to Vault tokens | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | I suspect the number of people who care about secrets greatly outnumbers those with HSMs | 17:10 |
capnoday | cant they just deploy dogtag? | 17:10 |
sigmavirus | redrobot: perhaps there's a need for vault to learn about keystone tokens? | 17:10 |
sigmavirus | capnoday: I've been informed that dogtag is quite difficult | 17:10 |
sigmavirus | I never got to that point of a PoC for my team though | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | sigmavirus I don't think they're accepting contributions for the AuthN magic at the moment | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | Might have changed though | 17:10 |
redrobot | sigmavirus that's one option... but I still think it may be easier to avoid Vault altogether | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | Anyway, lets push Vault to the back of the queue for a moment | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Keeping in mind the meeting length | 17:11 |
redrobot | ie, take the Simple Crypto plugin and add an API call to provide the encryption key at runtime instead of having it in the conf file | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | So good to have on the PTG topic list | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | sssh redrobot | 17:11 |
redrobot | lol | 17:11 |
* sigmavirus chuckles | 17:11 | |
hyakuhei | #topic Naughty words | 17:11 |
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redrobot | yeah, should be a fun discussion at the PTG | 17:11 |
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redrobot | poop! | 17:11 |
redrobot | doodoo | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | This might be interesting to the Syntribos folks | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/minimaxir/big-list-of-naughty-strings | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | I made a note to bring that up, now I have | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | :) | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | unrahul michaelxin knangia ^^^ | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | Some potentially useful stuff there I'm sure | 17:12 |
michaelxin | We saw it. Thakns. | 17:12 |
redrobot | (btw, I mostly came here today to remind hyakuhei to submit his PTL candidacy so we don't get yelled at by the TC again) | 17:12 |
knangia | thanks ! | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | Figured as much | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | redrobot thanks bro! | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:12 |
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michaelxin | redrobot: +1 | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | lhinds welcome back from holiday, what's going on with OSSN ? | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | So I see three in there. All private. | 17:13 |
lhinds | so we have two privates, with authors of hyakuhei and tmcpeak | 17:13 |
lhinds | yours is very close hyakuhei | 17:13 |
lhinds | you just need to look at comment #22 and we should be able to get that out | 17:14 |
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hyakuhei | It's interesting that we have so many private these days, I think because we are being used as a catch-all for the VMT where a project isn't supported by them. | 17:14 |
sigmavirus | lhinds: if you need help, let me know. I see two on that list and have context on them | 17:14 |
lhinds | I will catch up with tmcpeak when I next see him online | 17:14 |
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lhinds | sure sigmavirus , you could take the one to tmcpeak if you like? | 17:14 |
sigmavirus | Oh I wasn't volunteering to write one =P but if tmcpeak needs me to, I can take it over | 17:15 |
sigmavirus | I need to read how to do an OSSN on a private issue | 17:15 |
lhinds | I will try and catch him (he might be PTO), and see where he is. | 17:16 |
lhinds | and its likely to be public soon too. | 17:16 |
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sigmavirus | Okay | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | I'll update that OSSN assigned to me in the 30 minutes I get back from this shorter meeting | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | Anything else lhinds ? | 17:17 |
lhinds | thats it for notes. the other thing is I am getting in touch with infra about hosting the OSSN web / api. | 17:17 |
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lhinds | nice thanks hyakuhei | 17:17 |
lhinds | thats it for notes | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | Cool | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | Then we're onto AOB | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:17 |
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hyakuhei | Anything you want to bring up? Discuss Vault some more redrobot ? etc? | 17:17 |
redrobot | I'm sure y'all saw the huge Barbican thread on the ML | 17:18 |
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sigmavirus | redrobot: you're welcome and I'm sorry | 17:18 |
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redrobot | looks like the TC will be considering what the base "secrets vault" will be | 17:18 |
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hyakuhei | Yeah that was interesting | 17:18 |
redrobot | so it looks like we will be going through the incubation ringer again | 17:19 |
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sigmavirus | On the bright side, Glare is no longer publicly planning to be a secrets store | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | Though it did get somewhat clobbered by the whole "big tent bad" thing | 17:19 |
sigmavirus | hyakuhei: yeah, people on the ML do that to any thread they can | 17:19 |
redrobot | yeah, there were some valid concerns like keystone token scope not being narrow enough | 17:19 |
sigmavirus | always the same persons too | 17:19 |
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redrobot | so, it sounds like we'll have to make the case that barbican is secure to the Arch Working Group | 17:20 |
redrobot | and they'll compare it to Vault and Keewhiz and whetever else | 17:20 |
capnoday | secure and useful? | 17:20 |
redrobot | I'm a little concerned because they could also kill Barbican altogether | 17:20 |
hyakuhei | For software only crypto, it isn't comparable today imho | 17:20 |
redrobot | hyakuhei +! | 17:21 |
redrobot | err +1 | 17:21 |
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redrobot | yeah, which is why I think that improving Simple Crypto plugin will be important | 17:21 |
hyakuhei | +1 | 17:21 |
dave-mccowan | sigmavirus also on barbican: i've submitted patches to get tags for stable-branch, standard-deprecation, and vmt-managed. all are still in review. thanks for bringing that up on the ML. | 17:21 |
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sigmavirus | dave-mccowan: ++ | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | dave-mccowan good stuff | 17:22 |
sigmavirus | I was about to start a thread on the ML about why the project navigator is developed on GitHub | 17:22 |
redrobot | I think a Vault plugin would be valuable, but only to folks who already have vault | 17:22 |
sigmavirus | but decided two ranty threads a week was my limit | 17:22 |
redrobot | for someone with no existing KMS running both Vault AND Barbican seem like too much overhead | 17:22 |
sigmavirus | redrobot: agreed | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | So instead of using a well audited soft-hsm we're going to build one ourselves? | 17:23 |
hyakuhei | Certainly sounds like the OpenStack way... | 17:23 |
redrobot | lol | 17:23 |
sigmavirus | hyakuhei: absolutely | 17:23 |
redrobot | the alternative is to abandon Barbican altogheter. :( | 17:23 |
redrobot | and just build a Vault auth plugin for Keystone | 17:23 |
hyakuhei | I don't think anyone wants taht | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | *that | 17:24 |
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redrobot | I also explored using SoftHSM with our existing PKCS#11 plugin https://www.opendnssec.org/softhsm/ | 17:24 |
redrobot | but it's not scalable | 17:25 |
redrobot | or at least it wasn't ovious to me how we could scale it. | 17:25 |
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sigmavirus | mhayden: have you ever seen softhsm? | 17:25 |
hyakuhei | Interesting. This certainly sounds like a good thing to spend time on at the PTG | 17:26 |
* sigmavirus wonders if mhayden knows someone or has cycles | 17:26 | |
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redrobot | yup... also thinking that a Vault vs Barbican prezo in Boston would be a good thing to hvae | 17:26 |
redrobot | *have | 17:27 |
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hyakuhei | It does kinda look like it might be less work to extend Vault's AppRole scheme than build a new SoftHSM. However, I'm happy to be involved in either . | 17:27 |
capnoday | I am very against building a new softhsm unless absolutely necessary. I would even consider posting on the mailing list to say so! | 17:28 |
hyakuhei | ok, last couple of minutes. | 17:28 |
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hyakuhei | Useful meeting all, it seems like we can wrap it here :) thanks! | 17:28 |
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redrobot | capnoday so you're arguing for asking operators to run 2 services to run barbican. :-\ | 17:29 |
redrobot | kk, see y'all next time friends! | 17:29 |
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capnoday | redrobot lets talk more on this next time/offline | 17:29 |
hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 17:30:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-19-16.59.html | 17:30 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-19-16.59.txt | 17:30 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-19-16.59.log.html | 17:30 |
hyakuhei | TY all! | 17:30 |
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lhinds | thanks! | 17:31 |
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vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 18:01:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
tenobreg | o/ | 18:01 |
raissa | o/ | 18:01 |
vgridnev | o/ | 18:01 |
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tosky | o/ | 18:02 |
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vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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tenobreg | Storm integration on vanilla plugin is getting closer to being done. Still hitting some problems on starting the storm services but it is a lot better now | 18:04 |
vgridnev | Working basically on preparing release O3 for sahara; will perform some tests | 18:05 |
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vgridnev | Also very soon we will have full list of all approved travel support grantees for PTG, I already have tickets and accommodation booked for this event | 18:06 |
tosky | right now, working on a minimal patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1657482 (and related backport to newton) | 18:08 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1657482 in Sahara "[DIB] Image building fails for CDH when sahara-image-create is called with no version" [Undecided,New] | 18:08 |
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vgridnev | tosky, seems like a trivial issue, isn't it? | 18:08 |
tosky | not exactly if you want to ensure that the variable is always properly initialized without interfering with other code | 18:09 |
tosky | the patch will be out soon | 18:09 |
tosky | when a full run of sahara-image-create for cdh on centos7 ends | 18:09 |
vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:11 |
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vgridnev | Anything else we can cover today? | 18:12 |
vgridnev | Who is going to PTG, folks? | 18:12 |
tenobreg | me | 18:12 |
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vgridnev | Me : ) | 18:12 |
vgridnev | I hope esikachev | 18:12 |
esikachev | yep) | 18:13 |
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tenobreg | no one else? | 18:13 |
vgridnev | Egafford? | 18:13 |
vgridnev | Risky? | 18:13 |
tenobreg | she won't make it | 18:14 |
tenobreg | nor is tosky | 18:14 |
tosky | not this time | 18:14 |
vgridnev | Really sad | 18:14 |
esikachev | ( | 18:15 |
vgridnev | I hope we can make some kind of conference, so that other people can take part | 18:16 |
raissa | I would love to | 18:16 |
tenobreg | there was en email about that | 18:16 |
vgridnev | tenobreg, can you give some link to that? | 18:16 |
vgridnev | I missed | 18:16 |
* tenobreg looking | 18:16 | |
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tenobreg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110137.html | 18:17 |
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vgridnev | Uh, I heard that someone from easy stack will take part at the PTG | 18:18 |
tosky | oh | 18:18 |
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tenobreg | that is good, who do we have from easy stack? | 18:19 |
tenobreg | problably Shu Yingya | 18:19 |
vgridnev | Shu Yingya | 18:20 |
vgridnev | :) | 18:20 |
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tosky | the more important thing to allow people to join remotely is to set up a good microphone (not just for the person in front of it) | 18:20 |
vgridnev | I will clarify | 18:20 |
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vgridnev | I will clarify about plans of Shu Yingya, not about microphone* | 18:21 |
tosky | eheh | 18:22 |
tenobreg | vgridnev, good clarification | 18:22 |
tenobreg | lol | 18:22 |
tenobreg | about the microphone, it would be interesting to request to TC?? | 18:23 |
tenobreg | they could provide some good hardware | 18:23 |
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vgridnev | tenobreg, actually it's not TC question, actually that is problem of the organization team. tenobreg I would recommend to send letter to ptg@openstack.org and ask them directly | 18:25 |
vgridnev | Could you please do this, tenobreg? | 18:25 |
tenobreg | vgridnev, sure, I can reach out to them | 18:25 |
vgridnev | Thanks, that will be helpful | 18:25 |
vgridnev | Anything else we can cover today? If not, I'd like to say that next is a week of O3 release, so if you have something we can put into these releases, ask me | 18:27 |
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vgridnev | Ok, thanks folks | 18:28 |
vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 18:29:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-01-19-18.01.html | 18:29 |
tenobreg | thanks | 18:29 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-01-19-18.01.txt | 18:29 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-01-19-18.01.log.html | 18:29 |
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