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| kei | #startmeeting product_working_group | 06:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 06:03:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 06:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 06:03 |
| kei | Hi. | 06:03 |
| kei | You can find the agenda for today here: | 06:05 |
| kei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 06:05 |
| hieulq | o/ | 06:05 |
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| hieulq | hi kei | 06:05 |
| kei | Although the first topic is Midcycle Planning. Leong is not here yet. So let's talk about logging things. | 06:06 |
| kei | hi hieulq | 06:06 |
| kei | hieulq: i was out of office almost entire last two weeks and i'm back. i'd like to finalize the logging user story. | 06:07 |
| hieulq | sure | 06:07 |
| tovin07 | o/ | 06:07 |
| hieulq | kei, what is the current status of logging user story now? | 06:07 |
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| kei | hieulq: i'm still reviewing. my general impression of the draft version is good. | 06:11 |
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| kei | hieulq: we need to use the new template with persona information. | 06:11 |
| hieulq | kei, thanks :) | 06:11 |
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| kei | i mean | 06:11 |
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| hieulq | kei, yeah, I have used persona information in the draft version, but maybe not enough | 06:12 |
| kei | i mean the draft does have "As Rey the Cloud Operator" part. we also need a link to persona description page. | 06:12 |
| hieulq | +1 | 06:13 |
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| kei | hieulq: i got the same comment on the bare metal user story :) | 06:13 |
| kei | #link https://review.openstack.org/411140 | 06:13 |
| kei | i forgot to set topic... | 06:14 |
| kei | #topic user stories | 06:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "user stories (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 06:14 | |
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| kei | hieulq: do we need to describe the real implementation examples in "Opportunity/Justification"? | 06:16 |
| kei | such as Heka and OSProfiler. | 06:16 |
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| hieulq | kei, +1 for OSProfiler | 06:17 |
| hieulq | but Heka is now concerned as deprecated in some projects like Kolla | 06:17 |
| hieulq | OpenStack performance team also considered replacing Heka with Fluentd | 06:18 |
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| kei | hieulq: thanks for the information. i just thought both kolla and heka is about implementatition. user story basically shouldn't concern implementation (how to implement) in the section? | 06:22 |
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| hieulq | kei, ack | 06:23 |
| kei | hieulq: let's go back to "Problem Definition" section. | 06:24 |
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| kei | hieulq: one of the problems i believe is lack of information for troubleshooting (for investigating the root cause quickly when we hit it for the first time.) | 06:26 |
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| kei | the other is information of each service is stored in distributed manner and that make it hard for us to investigate the problem. we need to gather lots of information from multiple servers and compare them. however it's (usually?) impossible to know which service calls which service unless we enable DEBUG level. | 06:28 |
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| kei | if you enable DEBUG level, lots of logs will be output and it would eat up the storage and even end up with killing some processes. | 06:29 |
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| hieulq | kei, yeah, we should make it clearer in the spec | 06:31 |
| leong | o/ | 06:31 |
| hieulq | hi leong | 06:31 |
| leong | sorry for being late... | 06:31 |
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| kei | hieulq: i partially talked about implementation. sorry... | 06:31 |
| kei | leong: hi | 06:31 |
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| kei | hieulq: but i hope you got my point. | 06:32 |
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| kei | hieulq: i'll send you my comments via email again later. | 06:33 |
| hieulq | kei, will try, thanks | 06:33 |
| * leong_ looking through irc history | 06:33 | |
| hieulq | my mindset still focus on implementation | 06:34 |
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| hieulq | so it maybe took time to finalize the general user story mindset | 06:34 |
| kei | hieulq: let's do it together :) | 06:34 |
| leong_ | the key thing about user story is to document the requirements and perform gaps analysis | 06:35 |
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| kei | leong_: +1 | 06:35 |
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| leong_ | after gap analysis, we then work with developer to draft spec/blueprint (which is part of implementation) | 06:35 |
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| kei | hieulq: once we've done to revise it, let's submit it to the gerrit. | 06:36 |
| leong_ | PWG is aimed to provide a formal channel for company to submit new feature requests or enhancement | 06:36 |
| hieulq | leong_, ack | 06:37 |
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| leong_ | Piet (previously UX team) has drafted a user story related to logs and error code. | 06:37 |
| leong_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409878/ | 06:37 |
| kei | leong_: thanks. i'll take a look at it. | 06:37 |
| leong_ | #link User story related to Logging: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409878/ | 06:37 |
| leong_ | we can look at the 409878 and refine that user story | 06:38 |
| leong_ | LCOO also interested to improve logging | 06:38 |
| leong_ | the user story tracker is ready.. we need to work on a tracker for baremetal story | 06:40 |
| leong_ | there's also pending changes to the baremetal persona changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411140/ | 06:41 |
| kei | leong_: it looks to me that it's specific to error events (code, message) that are output to log. our requirement also include trace of events which shouldn't be output to log. maybe our requirement beyond the scope of logging? | 06:41 |
| leong_ | u are right, kei | 06:41 |
| leong_ | it might worth to split into logging and another story about "traceability" | 06:42 |
| kei | ok. let's consider it and either revise our user story or put comments to Piet's user story. > hieulq | 06:42 |
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| kei | leong_: right. | 06:43 |
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| kei | leong_: yes, i'd like to discuss persona for bare metal user story. | 06:43 |
| leong_ | sure! | 06:43 |
| leong_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411140 ? | 06:44 |
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| leong_ | do you need my help to make changes to 411140 | 06:44 |
| kei | leong_: my standpoint is "As Wei - project owner" would be appropriate, as i mentioned in the gerrit, but what i'm not 100% sure is the definition of Wei yet. | 06:46 |
| leong_ | if the definition is not appropriate, we should propose new persona | 06:46 |
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| leong_ | from my understanding, i think we need a new persona | 06:47 |
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| leong_ | let's use "wei - project owner" first, then leave a comment indicating we need a new person to better reflex the role | 06:47 |
| kei | leong_: i can't tell if the definition is appropriate or not yet. and i'd like to understand the definition first. | 06:48 |
| kei | but it's been a while since the last time i read the definition page. i'll look at it quickly again. | 06:48 |
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| leong_ | from what i see, there isn't a best Persona for the baremetal use case now. But the closet seems to be "wei - project owner", though not 100% appropriate. | 06:48 |
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| leong_ | we need a persona that reflect "enterprise user or sys-admin-type" for using the baremetal machines | 06:49 |
| leong_ | right now the Persona doesn't cover any other "user" other than "App Developer" | 06:49 |
| kei | leong_: i see. | 06:50 |
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| kei | leong_: what's the "project" in "Wei - project owner"? | 06:50 |
| leong_ | is quite ambiguity... | 06:51 |
| leong_ | is more refer to the OpenStack Project/Tenant | 06:51 |
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| kei | leong_: my understanding is "project" equals to "tenant" according to the previous discussion in the community. there was a discussion that we should use project instead of tenant. | 06:53 |
| leong_ | yup, that's correct. | 06:53 |
| kei | if "project" equals to "tenant", enterprise user could be one type of tenant. | 06:53 |
| kei | so i thought Wei could be appropriate for enterprise user as well. | 06:54 |
| leong_ | yup. that's why i'm saying 'project owner' is the closest match, though might not be 100% | 06:54 |
| leong_ | it refer to "project owner", not the "project user" | 06:54 |
| leong_ | the project owner set the quota, manage access... | 06:55 |
| leong_ | but in the baremetal user story, it is the project user who uses the baremetal instances. | 06:55 |
| leong_ | we have 5 mins to the hour | 06:56 |
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| leong_ | kei, can you patch the 411140 with "project owner" first, then we can continue to propose a better persona if needed. | 06:58 |
| kei | leong_: i thought both "owner" and "user" could be called as "user" in this case. maybe the former "user" can be devided into "smaller onwer" and "smaller user"?... | 06:58 |
| leong_ | yup | 06:58 |
| kei | leong_: sure thing. | 06:58 |
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| leong_ | can we quickly touch on the midcycle planning... | 06:59 |
| kei | leong_: i'll post a new patch with new template with project owner, and start a discussion there. | 06:59 |
| kei | leong_: sure. go ahead. | 06:59 |
| leong_ | #link midcycle planning ether pad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 06:59 |
| leong_ | PWG is planning to colocate the midcycle meetup at Milan (with Ops Meetup) | 06:59 |
| leong_ | exact date is not finalized yet | 07:00 |
| leong_ | that's my update for midcycle | 07:00 |
| leong_ | more info can be found from the above lnk | 07:00 |
| leong_ | i have another Open item.. | 07:00 |
| kei | leong_: thanks! | 07:01 |
| leong_ | Carol (intel) is retiring, last day Feb 2. I will be taking over her role in PWG and co-lead with Shamail (IBM) | 07:01 |
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| kei | leong_: i didn't know that. thanks for the information. | 07:02 |
| kei | leong_: i'll talk to you in private chat. | 07:02 |
| leong_ | sure | 07:02 |
| leong_ | thanks others for joining... | 07:02 |
| kei | i really have to close this meeting now. thanks leong, hieulq, tovin07! | 07:03 |
| kei | #endmeeting | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 07:03:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-24-06.03.html | 07:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-24-06.03.txt | 07:03 |
| hieulq | see you in next meeting! | 07:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-24-06.03.log.html | 07:03 |
| tovin07 | bye | 07:03 |
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| masahito_ | hi priteau, hiro-kobayashi, GeraldK, tejaswi | 09:00 |
| priteau | Hello | 09:00 |
| masahito_ | time to blazar meeting :-> | 09:00 |
| tejaswi | hi | 09:00 |
| masahito_ | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
| hiro-kobayashi | hi | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 09:00:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
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| masahito_ | Today's agenda is | 09:01 |
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| GeraldK | hi | 09:01 |
| masahito_ | 1. Action items from last call | 09:01 |
| bertys__ | hi | 09:01 |
| masahito_ | 2. CFP of the Boston summit | 09:01 |
| masahito_ | 3. oslo conversion | 09:01 |
| masahito_ | 4. devstack | 09:01 |
| masahito_ | 5. Ocata relase | 09:02 |
| masahito_ | anything else? | 09:02 |
| masahito_ | hi bertys__ | 09:02 |
| priteau | PTG? | 09:02 |
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| priteau | and Pike PTL? | 09:02 |
| masahito_ | priteau: yes. 6. PTG | 09:02 |
| masahito_ | 7. Pike PTL | 09:03 |
| masahito_ | we have lots of agenda :-o | 09:03 |
| priteau | we'll have to be quick | 09:03 |
| GeraldK | we need two meetings a week :) | 09:03 |
| masahito_ | priteau: sure | 09:03 |
| masahito_ | haha | 09:04 |
| masahito_ | ok, let's move on 1st item | 09:04 |
| r-mibu | hi | 09:04 |
| masahito_ | hi r-mibu | 09:04 |
| hiro-kobayashi | action items are listed here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-01-17-09.01.html | 09:04 |
| masahito_ | #topic action items from last meeting | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:04 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | link: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-01-17-09.01.html | 09:04 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #link: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-01-17-09.01.html | 09:05 |
| masahito_ | we have some action items. | 09:05 |
| masahito_ | 1. all to review Capacity mgmt story gap analysis: https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/promise_gap_analysis | 09:05 |
| masahito_ | 2. priteau to investigate differences between v1 and v2 API | 09:05 |
| masahito_ | 3. Decide when to update the namespace after current in-review patches are merged | 09:05 |
| masahito_ | 4. write down the details of the proposed talks, 1. and 2., then check the contents | 09:05 |
| masahito_ | Does anyone have updates for the items? | 09:06 |
| GeraldK | 1. gap analysis of the user story: I don't see any comments - is it okay or you had no time for review? | 09:06 |
| priteau | GeraldK: Looked OK to me. Big issues are how to implement reservations other than physical hosts | 09:07 |
| GeraldK | we will convert this page to RST format soon and then officially submit to PWG | 09:07 |
| masahito_ | GeraldK: LGTM. When I write down Blazar new features from it, I have no big comments for it. | 09:07 |
| GeraldK | priteau, masahito_: okay. thanks. we will then move forward with it | 09:08 |
| priteau | GeraldK: One comment: the acronym RUR needs to be defined explicitly somewhere | 09:08 |
| priteau | I inferred that it was resource usage request | 09:09 |
| GeraldK | priteau: okay, we can also spell it out once in the gap analysis | 09:09 |
| priteau | nevermind I see it in the user story | 09:09 |
| masahito_ | #agreed Capacity mgmt gap analysis is ready to convert rst for PWG | 09:10 |
| bertys__ | hiro-kobayashi: thanks again for your work | 09:11 |
| masahito_ | we have good progress. | 09:11 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | Sorry, my connection failed. | 09:11 |
| GeraldK | on 4) Proposal 1 seems to be ready. Proposal 2 is still open: no feedback yet from HPE whether they will lead it. have send a reminder to them. | 09:11 |
| masahito_ | GeraldK: I'll take it over if there is no action by this Thuseday. | 09:12 |
| GeraldK | Anyway, I will start drafting a proposal... | 09:13 |
| GeraldK | masahito_: thanks, let's put something together and if there is no reply by HPE we make you the lead | 09:13 |
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| masahito_ | GeraldK: yup | 09:14 |
| masahito_ | #action start drafting the #2 summit proposal if HPE folks has no reaction | 09:15 |
| masahito_ | another update? | 09:15 |
| GeraldK | on proposal #1, please all vote for the right category | 09:16 |
| GeraldK | so actions 2 and 3 are still open? | 09:16 |
| masahito_ | GeraldK: I'll touch action #2 in devstack section. | 09:16 |
| GeraldK | masahito_: okay | 09:17 |
| GeraldK | then let's move on... | 09:17 |
| masahito_ | oops, s/action #2/action #3/ | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | #3 should be done after devstack and oslo related patches are merged | 09:17 |
| masahito_ | To reminder | 09:17 |
| masahito_ | #action priteau to investigate differences between v1 and v2 API | 09:18 |
| priteau | #2 still in progress. When I tried looking into this I had issues with my devstack setup not working anymore. | 09:18 |
| priteau | Something might have changed in how Keystone is configured recently | 09:18 |
| masahito_ | #action Decide when to update the namespace after current in-review patches are merged | 09:18 |
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| masahito_ | priteau: thanks the update | 09:19 |
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| masahito_ | priteau: we're getting closer to devstack working | 09:19 |
| masahito_ | then, let's move on CFP of the Boston summit | 09:19 |
| priteau | devstack install is working on the gate now | 09:19 |
| masahito_ | #topic CFP of the Boston summit | 09:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CFP of the Boston summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:19 | |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | I will submit proposal 1 by Friday | 09:20 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | So please comment on it before Friday | 09:20 |
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| masahito_ | hiro-kobayashi_: great! | 09:22 |
| masahito_ | we're sure to submit one talk at least now. | 09:22 |
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| masahito_ | proposal #2 will also update by next meeting, as we talked. | 09:23 |
| masahito_ | any comments or update for CFP? | 09:23 |
| r-mibu | hiro-kobayashi_, thanks, i need to check asap | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | r-mibu: thanks! | 09:24 |
| priteau | I will review too | 09:24 |
| masahito_ | ok, then oslo conversion. | 09:25 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | priteau: thanks! | 09:25 |
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| masahito_ | #topic oslo conversion | 09:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo conversion (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:25 | |
| masahito_ | I see lots of works by hiro-kobayashi_ for oslo conversion. | 09:25 |
| priteau | That's great | 09:25 |
| masahito_ | It's great works. Thank you for the patch. | 09:25 |
| priteau | I pushed a patch to use oslo.db, although it doesn't migrate tests yet | 09:26 |
| masahito_ | priteau: is it ready to review? | 09:26 |
| priteau | It is WIP | 09:26 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | priteau: Great! migration of oslo.db is heavy | 09:26 |
| priteau | and conflicts with hiro's patches | 09:26 |
| priteau | but if you want to take a first look | 09:27 |
| priteau | feel free | 09:27 |
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| masahito_ | priteau: got it. Thanks the patch. | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | priteau: thanks | 09:28 |
| masahito_ | priteau: oslo.db is one of big change we need to do. Thanks again. | 09:28 |
| masahito_ | any updates about oslo? | 09:28 |
| priteau | masahito_: Could you update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410627/ to include config file changes? | 09:28 |
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| masahito_ | priteau: yes, I'm working on it now. | 09:29 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | priteau: I pushed the patch that treat the problem | 09:29 |
| priteau | I also have grammar comments on the commit message but I can fix it just before +2 W+1 | 09:29 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito, priteau: please check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422969/ | 09:29 |
| masahito_ | Just one question for it. where did you see rabbit_host was changed? If possible, please answer it in the gerrit. | 09:30 |
| masahito_ | hiro-kobayashi_: got it. | 09:31 |
| masahito_ | ok, move on to next. | 09:31 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi_: thanks. I think it needs more work, I will comment on Gerrit | 09:31 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | priteau: thanks | 09:31 |
| masahito_ | #topic devstack | 09:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "devstack (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:31 | |
| masahito_ | We have had great works for devstack installation. Then tempest is almost working in gate job. | 09:32 |
| masahito_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409062/ | 09:32 |
| masahito_ | The rest of work is fixing tempest's bug. | 09:33 |
| masahito_ | I'm working on it and could push it in two days. | 09:34 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito_: great! | 09:34 |
| bertys__ | would be good also to have tempest test for compute host reservation | 09:34 |
| priteau | The tempest patch may need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408079 to have the endpoint created | 09:34 |
| priteau | Maybe that's why it's getting a 404 | 09:34 |
| masahito_ | priteau: yup. I rebased tempest job on the patch. | 09:35 |
| priteau | so it's something else then :( | 09:35 |
| priteau | http://logs.openstack.org/62/409062/4/check/gate-blazar-devstack-dsvm/b8630aa/console.html#_2017-01-24_08_26_50_632820 | 09:35 |
| masahito_ | priteau: np | 09:36 |
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| masahito_ | Anyway, we're getting closer for devstack gate to work. | 09:36 |
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| priteau | It may be related to the devstack issues I have started to see recently | 09:36 |
| priteau | I am trying to figure out what is the problem | 09:36 |
| masahito_ | priteau: thanks. let's share what is problem for each other. It's fast. | 09:37 |
| priteau | devstack installs fine, but climate command shows errors that I didn't see before | 09:38 |
| priteau | Maybe your Keystone v3 patch will fix them | 09:38 |
| masahito_ | priteau: ok, thanks. I'll add dependency. | 09:39 |
| masahito_ | Then, we can start to update the namespace after current in-review patches are merged. | 09:39 |
| priteau | +1, hopefully next week | 09:39 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | +1 | 09:40 |
| masahito_ | #agreed start to update the namespace after tempest job works | 09:41 |
| masahito_ | hopefully, from next week. | 09:41 |
| masahito_ | I think we need lot of volunteer for the works. so let's review patches as well as push patch. | 09:42 |
| masahito_ | May I go next agenda? | 09:43 |
| priteau | yes | 09:43 |
| r-mibu | ok, then let me know if you have problem in tempest jobs | 09:43 |
| r-mibu | yes | 09:43 |
| masahito_ | r-mibu: ok | 09:43 |
| masahito_ | #topic Ocata relase | 09:43 |
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| masahito_ | ocata-3 release is passed. | 09:44 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito_'s connection fails now, so please wait a moment | 09:45 |
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| masahito | sorry, disconnected | 09:46 |
| priteau | masahito_: I think because we are not an official project, we don't have to follow strictly the release cycle with milestones | 09:47 |
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| masahito | What I wanted to talk is ocata-3 is feature freeze, I think we can merge some patches to move blazar forward. | 09:47 |
| masahito | priteau: yes | 09:47 |
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| priteau | If we need, we would have to postpone namespace migration | 09:47 |
| masahito | priteau: nice idea. | 09:48 |
| priteau | We are not really in a state of adding any new feature yet | 09:48 |
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| masahito | right. | 09:49 |
| priteau | So I would like to continue merging patches that fix devstack / tempest / bugs | 09:49 |
| masahito | +1 | 09:49 |
| r-mibu | +1 to keep merging | 09:49 |
| bertys__ | +1 | 09:50 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | +1 | 09:50 |
| priteau | It would be great if we can create a stable/ocata branch on release day, but we can even create it a bit later if we're not quite ready yet | 09:50 |
| priteau | actually we're probably more of a cycle-trailing model | 09:51 |
| priteau | #lin khttps://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html | 09:51 |
| priteau | #link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html | 09:51 |
| masahito | #agreed continue to merging patches | 09:51 |
| priteau | In practice we're "independent": completely bypass the 6-month cycle and release independently | 09:51 |
| priteau | but for Ocata we can try to be cycle-trailing | 09:52 |
| priteau | unofficially | 09:52 |
| priteau | probably a discussion for Pike | 09:53 |
| masahito | yes | 09:53 |
| masahito | any other comments? | 09:54 |
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| masahito | last 5 mins | 09:55 |
| masahito | #topic PTG | 09:55 |
| masahito | do you have any update for PTG? | 09:55 |
| masahito | IIRC, hiro-kobayashi_, r-mibu, and me will join PTG. | 09:55 |
| priteau | I can't go for sure, other commitments at the same date | 09:56 |
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| masahito | priteau: got it. I'd like to meet you in Forum or other event :-) | 09:57 |
| masahito | we should move on open disscusion | 09:58 |
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| masahito | #topic open disscusion | 09:58 |
| masahito | any update or comments for anything? | 09:58 |
| masahito | last 2 mins. | 09:58 |
| priteau | Pike PTL? | 09:58 |
| masahito | oh, yeah. | 09:59 |
| masahito | This week is PTL self-nomination week for Pike cycle. | 09:59 |
| GeraldK | let's further exchange via email among active Blazar members? | 10:00 |
| GeraldK | just a proposal | 10:00 |
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| priteau | Sounds good | 10:00 |
| masahito | GeraldK: yes. I think if we're interested in it it's good to send nomination mail in openstack-dev. | 10:01 |
| GeraldK | +1 to nominate a Pike PTL | 10:01 |
| priteau | Can we use the election system if we're not a big tent project? | 10:02 |
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| masahito | priteau: I'm not sure. | 10:02 |
| masahito | btw, we're running out time. if needed, please continue to discuss in #openstack-blazar | 10:02 |
| priteau | thanks everyone | 10:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | thanks! | 10:03 |
| masahito | thanks, bye! | 10:03 |
| masahito | #endmeeting | 10:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 10:03:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:03 |
| r-mibu | bye | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-01-24-09.00.html | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-01-24-09.00.txt | 10:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-01-24-09.00.log.html | 10:03 |
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| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 13:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:00 |
| lennyb | he | 13:00 |
| moshele | hi everyone :) | 13:00 |
| swebster | o/ | 13:00 |
| wznoinsk | o/ | 13:00 |
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| moshele | #topic Patches for Subteam Review | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches for Subteam Review (Meeting topic: sriov)" | 13:01 | |
| moshele | it been a while seen we had a meeting | 13:02 |
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| sfinucan | o/ | 13:02 |
| moshele | I update the agenda with all the patches need review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda | 13:02 |
| moshele | please go over them, if I missed some patches you can add them to the etherpad | 13:03 |
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| moshele | pkoniszewski: any progress with the live migration patches ? | 13:04 |
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| sfinucan | moshele: This one merged, right? - Docmement PF Passthrough for nova and neutron | 13:04 |
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| * sfinucan recalls seeing something about the PF passthrough vs. SR-IOV clarification recently | 13:05 | |
| moshele | sfinucan: no, we need to add documentation in openstack for PF passthought with neutron (physical-direct port) | 13:06 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: was the owner of this, but is now working anymore in openstack community | 13:07 |
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| sfinucan | Oh, sorry to hear it. I can take that for the next cycle | 13:07 |
| sfinucan | ...or review it, at least | 13:07 |
| moshele | ok, so can I put you as the owner for this (for now) | 13:08 |
| sfinucan | (y) | 13:08 |
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| swebster | Silly question: is there a keystroke or button to save additions to the etherpad, or does it do automatic saving? | 13:10 |
| sfinucan | Are there any of those reviews that I should prioritize before Thursday? | 13:10 |
| sfinucan | swebster: It's automatic | 13:10 |
| sfinucan | ...and not a silly question :) | 13:10 |
| swebster | thx. I've added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370374/ just because I've had to rebase it a few times with the work being done in the resource tracker | 13:10 |
| sfinucan | (y) | 13:10 |
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| moshele | sfinucan: I will add another section for ready for core-reviewer | 13:11 |
| moshele | it that ok? | 13:13 |
| sfinucan | moshele: That's a-OK with me :) I'll try find someone else to take a look too | 13:15 |
| moshele | #topic Open discussion | 13:15 |
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| moshele | anyone have anything else to had? | 13:16 |
| moshele | s/had/add | 13:16 |
| sfinucan | Nothing too much from me. All the third party CIs seem to be running pretty well, fwict | 13:17 |
| moshele | yes the CIs seem stable | 13:17 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 13:17:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2017/sriov.2017-01-24-13.00.html | 13:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2017/sriov.2017-01-24-13.00.txt | 13:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2017/sriov.2017-01-24-13.00.log.html | 13:18 |
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| moshele | thanks everyone :) | 13:18 |
| wznoinsk | thanks | 13:18 |
| sfinucan | Cheers :) | 13:18 |
| swebster | Thanks all | 13:18 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| bkero | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 14:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| EmilienM | * review past action items | 14:00 |
| bandini | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| EmilienM | * bugs | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * CI | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * Specs | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | hello, who is around today? | 14:00 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 14:00 |
| sshnaidm | o/ | 14:00 |
| ccamacho | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdearborn | \o | 14:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:00 |
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| marios | o/ | 14:00 |
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| adarazs | \o | 14:00 |
| chem | o/ | 14:00 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
| radez | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | nice crowd here | 14:01 |
| owalsh | o/ | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | #topic review past action items | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review past action items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:01 | |
| EmilienM | team to review oooq periodic job https://review.openstack.org/420647 https://review.openstack.org/420620 | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | both are merged | 14:01 |
| EmilienM | weshay, matbu, sofer to create a tripleo blueprint for multinode nodepool oooq based upgrade job | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | weshay, matbu, chem: where is it? | 14:01 |
| jrist | o/ | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | (going to next action in the meantime)= | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359060/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415179/ | 14:02 |
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| EmilienM | bandini: sounds like patches are still under review ^ | 14:02 |
| EmilienM | gfidente to investigate cephmds + manila on scenario004 | 14:03 |
| bandini | EmilienM: yes. there is still work to do there. at this point I don't think we'll manage for ocata | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | gfidente is not around (yet?) I'll ask him again | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | bandini: ok | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | trown bring up PTG CI sessions in thursday CI squad meeting | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | ^ done (I was there) | 14:03 |
| florianf | o/ | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to move ocata-3 low/medium unassigned bugs to pike-1 | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | EmilienM to move ocata-3 high/critical unassigned bugs to ocata-rc1 | 14:03 |
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| EmilienM | done, I had so much fun believe me | 14:03 |
| EmilienM | team to help jpich to debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1656871 and unblock stable/mitaka unit tests | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656871 in tripleo mitaka "Mitaka unit tests broken (CLI/OSC test dependencies)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ben Nemec (bnemec) | 14:04 |
| bandini | :) | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | and.... DONE ! | 14:04 |
| jpich | Many thanks to bnemec :) | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | any feedback or question about last meeting? | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | #action (postponed) weshay, matbu, sofer to create a tripleo blueprint for multinode nodepool oooq based upgrade job | 14:04 |
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| EmilienM | ok let's move on folks | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "one off agenda items (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:05 | |
| * EmilienM waves on bandini | 14:05 | |
| bandini | :) | 14:05 |
| bandini | ok so the remaining composable ha patches are here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/composable-ha+status:open, I think they are in pretty good shape at this point | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | bandini: yes I think so, I've made a review this morning and it looks good | 14:06 |
| bandini | I will also try and help bring forward scenario-005 | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | there is one thing that worries me | 14:06 |
| bandini | yes? | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | yes that thing :D | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | CI | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | scenario005 is still failing, I would like to make progress on this thing | 14:06 |
| bandini | :) yeah I need some help there, I think I know why it is breaking but I think I am missing a few details on how it works | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | bandini: let's merge your patches asap this week and then work together on making this job passing ok? | 14:06 |
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| bandini | EmilienM: ack. | 14:06 |
| bandini | all from me | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | #actio bandini and EmilienM to work on scenario005 when composable-ha patches are landed | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | #action bandini and EmilienM to work on scenario005 when composable-ha patches are landed | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | no more items? let's go to regular topics | 14:07 |
| chem | got disconnected will look at the log | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:07 | |
| EmilienM | chem: you had an action from last week, could you do it? | 14:07 |
| EmilienM | chem: "weshay, matbu, sofer to create a tripleo blueprint for multinode nodepool oooq based upgrade job" | 14:07 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-3 | 14:08 |
| marios | 16:06 < EmilienM> bandini: let's merge your patches asap this week and then work together on making this job passing ok? | 14:08 |
| marios | oops sry accidental ^ | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | #link tripleoclient bugs: https://goo.gl/R2hO4Z | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | for tripleoclient devs, highest priority is ^ | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | we are releasing tripleoclient ocata this week | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | we need to make sure we don't have critical bug in progress | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | d0ugal, jpich, thrash ^ anything to say? | 14:10 |
| jpich | Nope, let's do more reviews :) | 14:10 |
| jrist | +1\ | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:11 |
| thrash | EmilienM: validations work is ongoing | 14:11 |
| thrash | EmilienM: couple of reviews up there now | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | thrash: can we have links please? | 14:11 |
| thrash | EmilienM: sure. | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | we also have High/critical bugs for rc1 | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-rc1 | 14:11 |
| thrash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416284/ | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | everything that is not High or Critical should go in Pike | 14:12 |
| thrash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418507/ | 14:12 |
| thrash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419506/ | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | #action team to review validation work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416284/ / https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418507/ / https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419506/ | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | thrash: thank you | 14:13 |
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| jtomasek | o/ | 14:13 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1632289 may need to move to pike, because fixing it will require changes to tripleoclient | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1632289 in tripleo "Composable roles require all services in Services list" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 14:13 |
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| shardy | I guess we can defer it and decide if a backport is viable | 14:13 |
| EmilienM | shardy: is it something we can backport? | 14:13 |
| shardy | EmilienM: probably, but last time I tried to fix it the patch got quite invasive | 14:14 |
| shardy | perhaps I can find a simpler way when I revisit the problem | 14:14 |
| dtantsur | could you please get RAID command in before tripleoclient release? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421242/ would be a bit sad to get workflow landed, but not the command | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | I just created ocata-backport-potential tag in Launchpad | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: can you move it to pike-1 with ocata-backport-potential tag please? | 14:14 |
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| trown | o/ | 14:14 |
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| EmilienM | #action team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421242/ | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | shardy: we'll evaluate later if whether or not we do backport it | 14:15 |
| shardy | EmilienM: ack, done | 14:15 |
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| EmilienM | another bug: | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1658755 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658755 in tripleo "scenario002 ResourceInError: resources.volume1: Went to status error due to "Unknown"" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | this one is ongoing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424307/ | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | it's breaking scenario002 jobs | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | it should be fixed by today | 14:16 |
| mwhahaha | can we get a +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400364/ | 14:16 |
| EmilienM | mwhahaha: done | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | ok folks, any other outstanding bug this week? | 14:17 |
| marios | EmilienM: this one is ocata-3 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1656791 should i move to -rc1 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656791 in tripleo "Mitaka to Newton undercloud upgrade needs "nova db online_data_migrations" after the undercloud upgrade" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b) | 14:17 |
| marios | EmilienM: really we need this backported to newton too but it needs to land first | 14:17 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1658645 is still in progress, newton CI is broken until we land the fixes | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658645 in tripleo "dbsync fails in newton " [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | marios: please move ocata-3 bugs into rc1, I did it last week already but I guess I missed some | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | shardy: this one has been a mess :( | 14:18 |
| marios | EmilienM: ack | 14:18 |
| panda | wasn't the commit reverted ? | 14:18 |
| shardy | or we can work around it in CI by removing the bigswitch packages as in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424199/ | 14:18 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: yes it has, IMO we should really stop carrying any vendor packages in the default upstream overcloud-full | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | shardy: I would like your workaround in our CI for now, until we sort things out with Gabriele in tripleoclient & tripleo-common | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | shardy: +2 | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | panda: it was | 14:19 |
| shardy | EmilienM: if we have to we can do a similar workaround for the ovb jobs | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | shardy: oh wait | 14:19 |
| shardy | my patch only aims to fix the upgrade job | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424172/ is passing | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | panda: ^ | 14:19 |
| panda | O_o | 14:20 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: i'll hold on your tripleo-ci patch and work with panda to fix it in tripleo projects | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | panda: yes, i think RDO had an outage this morning and your patch was hiting it | 14:20 |
| panda | yep , the pillow | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | panda: but my revert got merged so it should fix it when deploying the elements | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | panda: let's continue to work together on removing the elements and documenting it | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | panda, shardy: sounds good folks? | 14:21 |
| panda | ok, so the bug was "fixed" but we are trying to put in a long term solution by removing vendor plugins anyway | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | yes | 14:21 |
| shardy | +1 | 14:22 |
| panda | ok | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | cool | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | do we have other bugs to discuss this week? | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | moving to next topic | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects releases or stable backports (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:22 | |
| EmilienM | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | some reminders : | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | python-tripleoclient is released this week | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | other projects have RC1 next week | 14:23 |
| EmilienM | which means, by end of next week, we'll enter in feature freeze | 14:23 |
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| EmilienM | people should now focus on bug fixing or upgrades, instead of pushing for new features | 14:24 |
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| shardy | There are still 21 open features targetted at the ocata-3 milestone | 14:24 |
| shardy | we'll have to decide how many are reasonable for FFEs vs deferring to pike | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | yes, next week I'll take care of moving the features not finished for Ocata | 14:24 |
| EmilienM | FFEs can be submitted on the mailing list | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | (do not ping me directly please) | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | to be honest, I would prefer focusing on bug fixing & stabilization versus FFEs | 14:25 |
| dtantsur | after this RAID patch merges, I'll bump the remaining bits to Pike | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | I would like to talk about release notes | 14:26 |
| EmilienM | I haven't seen a huge interest in release notes until now, I would like to remind folks that we'll enforce release notes in Pike | 14:26 |
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| bandini | +1 I think it's just that we all need to get used to do it | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | I'm currently working on adding release notes for THT right now (see openstack-dev) and I need some help for some features (I dressed the list on the thread) | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | I'll do puppet-tripleo this week | 14:27 |
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| trown | I plan to submit releasenotes patch for quickstart for ocata | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | any help from the team would be appreciated | 14:27 |
| bandini | I plan to add stuff for some of my work as well | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | we need someone from tripleo-ui doing notes for UI | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | and some help on tripleo-common | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | oh and instack-undercloud | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | jtomasek, honza, florianf: any help on UI? | 14:28 |
| jrist | I don't think they're here | 14:28 |
| jrist | I'll poke them | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | mhh ok | 14:29 |
| honza | EmilienM: I can :) | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | nobody else can help for the other projects? | 14:29 |
| florianf | EmilienM: I can add a patch with the release notes | 14:29 |
| jpich | I think our initial set of notes merged in tripleo-common, though more is always welcome for the bits we missed :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421166/ | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | jpich: you're awesome, thanks | 14:29 |
| jpich | d0ugal did most of the work :) | 14:29 |
| jpich | I don't know if the UI is set up with reno yet | 14:29 |
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| EmilienM | I'll do puppet-tripleo. So we need someone to help in instack-undercloud | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | if no volunteer, I'll do it.. | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | any question about release management & backports? | 14:30 |
| EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:31 | |
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| EmilienM | I prepared some work to support stable/ocata CI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424622/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424637/ - any feedback is welcome | 14:31 |
| EmilienM | do we have any update on CI this week? | 14:31 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-squad-meeting | 14:32 |
| shardy | until the bigswitch thing upgrades CI was working well, should we consider making it voting soon? | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | for folks who want to follow what CI squad is doing | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | shardy: that would be nice. | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | shardy: but | 14:32 |
| EmilienM | shardy: if we make it voting, it means we have to include it in the promotion pipeline somehow | 14:33 |
| shardy | Ok, I'll monitor the stability after the bigswitch fix lands and we can consider making it voting after we cut ocata-3 | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | because breakage can happen in other projects | 14:33 |
| shardy | EmilienM: yes, that would be an excellent idea, any help (from anyone) doing that would be great | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm: ^ can you help? | 14:34 |
| sshnaidm | shardy, EmilienM sure | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | thank you | 14:34 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: thanks! :) | 14:34 |
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| EmilienM | nothing else about CI? | 14:35 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, we had full tempest (of panda and arxcruz) runs if somebody is interested | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | nice | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | how much time does it take? | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | sshnaidm: ^ | 14:36 |
| sshnaidm | EmilienM, about 3 hrs | 14:36 |
| EmilienM | ouch, it's long | 14:36 |
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| EmilienM | what is the benefit of running full tempest? | 14:37 |
| shardy | wow, I was about to suggest we run that before/after upgrades but maybe not ;) | 14:37 |
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| EmilienM | I see a benefit for projects like nova, etc | 14:37 |
| sshnaidm | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-tripleo-ci-centos-7-ovb-nonha-tempest-oooq/946e654/logs/oooq/collected_logs/undercloud/home/jenkins/tempest/tempest.html.gz | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | but for tripleo, we just want to test basic API calls, and scenarios no? | 14:37 |
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| panda | EmilienM: the basic Idea is to email results periodically to DFGs, containing only the parts of interest | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | looks cool though | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | depending on the use case | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | for shardy, I think he wants to check basic things | 14:38 |
| EmilienM | and smoke tests would be enough for now imho | 14:38 |
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| sshnaidm | shardy, "smoke" tests take about 20 mins | 14:39 |
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| shardy | yeah, but it'd be good in the periodic jobs to do a better validation than the basic sanity tests I'm doing atm | 14:39 |
| shardy | sshnaidm: Ok, that could work then, great | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | sshnaidm, shardy: are you done? | 14:40 |
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| shardy | yup, thanks | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | I would encourage folks to prepare their specs before the PTG | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | that would help to prepare discussion in Atlanta | 14:40 |
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| EmilienM | someone wants to talk about a spec? | 14:41 |
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| EmilienM | I'll move to open discussion | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | I would like to talk about PTG | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | some sessions are proposed: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ptg-pike | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | if you haven't looked yet, please do it asap | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | feel free to propose a topic you would like to talk to, like a blueprint or a policy | 14:42 |
| EmilienM | we'll have a room for 3 days, so, plenty of time | 14:42 |
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| EmilienM | also, if you already proposed something in the etherpad, please look at it now, I see some comments, that might need to be addressed | 14:43 |
| bkero | Related to that, it is looking like I will not be sent to the PTG, so if someone wants to chair the session that I put up, please do so. :) | 14:43 |
| EmilienM | trown: maybe you? ^ | 14:43 |
| trown | sure | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | it's open discussion now, feel free to ask any question or give feedback on something | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | trown: thx. I put your name :P | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | I can also do it | 14:45 |
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| EmilienM | I'll close the meeting in 30s if nothing comes up | 14:46 |
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| EmilienM | thanks everyone | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 14:46:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-01-24-14.00.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-01-24-14.00.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-01-24-14.00.log.html | 14:46 |
| trown | thanks EmilienM | 14:46 |
| bandini | thanks EmilienM | 14:47 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 15:10:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:10 |
| tmorin | hi pcarver, doude, bobmel, matrohon | 15:11 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:11 |
| tmorin | and hi everyone else that may attend :) | 15:11 |
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| bfernando | hi :) | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | hi | 15:12 |
| tmorin | hi bfernando :) | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | ok, let's start | 15:15 |
| tmorin | what do we have on the agenda ? | 15:15 |
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| bobmel | hi all! | 15:15 |
| tmorin | hi bobmel | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | on the agenda: ... | 15:16 |
| tmorin | - API doc and definition moving to neutron-lib | 15:16 |
| tmorin | - OSC plugin definition moving to python-neutronclient | 15:16 |
| tmorin | I don't see much more | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | feel free to add | 15:16 |
| tmorin | #topic API doc and definition moving to neutron-lib | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | pcarver, do you want to give an update on this ? | 15:17 |
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| pcarver | Still making progress. You've seen the latest updates this morning | 15:17 |
| pcarver | I'll just keep responding to any additional comments | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | yes, hopefully we're close to completion | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | ftr, this happens in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413182/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390196/ | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | #topic OSC plugin definition moving to python-neutronclient | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | doude, are you around ? | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | ok, I'll provide the update then :) | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | although doude is doing all the work :) | 15:22 |
| tmorin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416321/ | 15:22 |
| tmorin | doude has update the change a few times since last meeting | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | all the received comments are addressed AFAICT | 15:23 |
| tmorin | we'll see if more reviews come in | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | #open discussion | 15:25 |
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| tmorin | I don't see much more to discuss | 15:25 |
| tmorin | anyone wants to add something ? | 15:25 |
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| bobmel | Doesn't seem so. :-) | 15:29 |
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| tmorin | ok :) | 15:32 |
| tmorin | we're done then | 15:32 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 15:33 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 15:33:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-01-24-15.10.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-01-24-15.10.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-01-24-15.10.log.html | 15:33 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 16:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2017-01-24_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #toic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| swatson | Stephen Watson o/ | 16:00 |
| jvgrant | Jaycen Grant | 16:00 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
| dustymabe | Dusty Mabe | 16:00 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera o/ | 16:00 |
| * juggler will be back in 1m | 16:00 | |
| Drago1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello swatson jvgrant tonanhngo dustymabe juggler and Drago1 | 16:01 |
| strigazi | o/ | 16:01 |
| hieulq_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| strigazi | hi dustymabe | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | hello strigazi and hieulq_ | 16:01 |
| dustymabe | strigazi: o/ | 16:01 |
| randallburt | o/ | 16:02 |
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| jasond | o/ | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello randallburt and jasond | 16:03 |
| juggler | hello all :) | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | we will begin with announcements in one moment | 16:03 |
| coreyob | o/ | 16:03 |
| vijendar | o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hi coreyob and vijendar | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Feature Freeze. We scheduled feature freeze to begin Monday, but upon reviewing all the open reviews, it became apparent that we need to fit in at least one more important work item into the release. | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | We will come back to this after Essential Blueprints. | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | we can initiate string freeze now | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | this will allow docs to be translated, as needed. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | 2) We will not have an IRC team meeting on 2017-02-21 because of the Atlanta PTG event. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | I have marked the meeting calendar accordingly. | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | for those not attending the PTG, how would you like to be updated on the events at the PTG? | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | woudl you like a follow up section in the subsequent team meeting to act as a summary, or something in a different form? | 16:07 |
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| tonanhngo | A summary etherpad should work | 16:08 |
| swatson | ^ | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | sometimes the PTL will make a blog post that summarizes the content of the PTG for the benefit o those who could not attend | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | etherpads are kept, so we can definitely share those | 16:08 |
| juggler | tonanhngo++ | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | ok, any other announcements from team members? | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | (none) | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprints | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi] | 16:09 |
| strigazi | I haven't push an update. I'm updating the db api to write clusters and cluster_templates transactionally. | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | Ok, thanks. Any questions from team members on this work item? | 16:11 |
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| strigazi | Before I was writing ClusterAttributes first and the cluster to CT which is highly undesirable | 16:11 |
| strigazi | s/to/or | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | any more on this one? | 16:12 |
| juggler | no q's from here | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next is: | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nodegroups [Drago] | 16:12 |
| Drago1 | jvgrant and I are splitting up the spec into 6 topics | 16:13 |
| Drago1 | So you'll start seeing them come out over the next week | 16:13 |
| jvgrant | should be easier to review | 16:13 |
| Drago1 | That's all I've really got about that | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | thanks Drago1 | 16:14 |
| * dustymabe wonders if we can talk about atomic host soonish - i have a team dinner starting soon | 16:14 | |
| juggler | ty jvgrant / Drago | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | dustymabe: yes, in just a few mins | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi] | 16:15 |
| dustymabe | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:15 |
| strigazi | I don't have anything this week | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | thanks strigazi | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Other Work Items | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | now, I'd like to extend a special welcome to dustymabe who joins us from the Fedora Atomic team | 16:16 |
| dustymabe | \o/ | 16:16 |
| juggler | hello dustymabe! | 16:16 |
| randallburt | welcome! | 16:16 |
| hieulq_ | welcome! | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | I've engaged in dialogue with his team in an effort to bring our mutual interests together. | 16:16 |
| swatson | o/ | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | We've used Fedora Atomic in a number of our drivers, and have held a few team discussions about whether we should change directions at all | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | one of our considerations is how our upstream linux packagers may participate in driver support | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | so I thought it would be valuable for you to meet dustymabe and give us an opportunity to convey questions or concerns about Atomic host | 16:18 |
| dustymabe | indeed. | 16:18 |
| dustymabe | nice to meet you all | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | dusty can you take just a moment and tell us a bit about your role? | 16:19 |
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| dustymabe | adrian_otto: sure | 16:19 |
| dustymabe | Currently my role is to help Fedora Atomic become more stable within Fedora (upstream from RHEL Atomic Host) | 16:19 |
| dustymabe | I've been a volunteer in Fedora Atomic for a long time | 16:20 |
| dustymabe | only recently did I take a role where I'm working on it for my $dayjob | 16:20 |
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| dustymabe | I am actually a member of the Red Hat Atomic team (internal) | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | excellent. We are happy that you reached out. | 16:20 |
| dustymabe | but focus on Fedora and also trying to focus on making sure we do things upstream first (i.e. making changes there first) | 16:20 |
| adrian_otto | so, Magnum team, if you're comfortable discussing your thoughts with dusty today, you are welcome to chime in. If not, you're welcome to reach him later. | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | dustymabe: what are your team's plans for PTG attendance? | 16:22 |
| strigazi | FYI, dusty helps me to fix the issue with cloud-init in FA25 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | OH!! that's awesome. I was actually really happy that fix was so quick. | 16:23 |
| dustymabe | adrian_otto: I have not yet booked a flight but I plan to attend on that thursday (I believe I confirmed with you in the email) | 16:23 |
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| randallburt | dustymabe: awesome! | 16:23 |
| juggler | dustymabe: great :) | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | yes, so we'll have an agenda item on Thursday at the PTG to talk about drivers, and find out what's reasonable to expect from the upstream distros | 16:23 |
| randallburt | strigazi: dustymabe does that mean the os-*-config and heat agents are the last hurdle? | 16:23 |
| dustymabe | randallburt: i'm actually not sure - i'm not very familiar with the exact problem | 16:24 |
| randallburt | dustymabe: k. wondering about that and containerized k8s | 16:24 |
| strigazi | I haven't discussed this yes (heat-agents) | 16:25 |
| dustymabe | randallburt: i.e. when will containerized k8s be something you can use? | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | dustymabe: what time do you need to take off today? I know you have contending forces on your schedule, and want to be respectful of that. | 16:25 |
| randallburt | strigazi: k. I had a quick email chat with dustymabe last week about it and was just wondering if you guys had discussed | 16:25 |
| dustymabe | adrian_otto: maybe in 10 minutes | 16:25 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks. | 16:25 |
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| tonanhngo | dustymabe: Can you describe the recommended approach for updating packages on a running host? e.g. updating to a new k8s version | 16:27 |
| dustymabe | one thing I'd like to try to do is help you guys solve problems without having to "bake" too much - obviously we want you to be happy, but we'd like to make changes to Atomic Host that generally benefit most users rather than baking a bunch of stuff that is for specific things | 16:27 |
| randallburt | tonanhngo: I think that's very dependent on hypercube/non hypercube | 16:27 |
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| dustymabe | tonanhngo: right now we have k8s packages on the host - if you want to use those packages to run kube then you are tied to the version in Fedora | 16:28 |
| dustymabe | you can also choose to run it not from those packages - as containers | 16:28 |
| rochapor1o | i won't be at the PTG, but if you could cover the best way to launch containers using atomic --system (runc/systemd) it would be useful. we've had issues integrating some containers in this way, mostly coming up with a config.json that works | 16:28 |
| dustymabe | in that case you choose you're own version | 16:28 |
| dustymabe | rochapor1o: so you are using system containers? | 16:29 |
| rochapor1o | trying | 16:29 |
| randallburt | IMO, hypercube is in our best interests in this case unless we want to be building new os-trees on updates | 16:29 |
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| dustymabe | got ya - so system containers are our answer to being able to run whatever version of kubernetes you want | 16:29 |
| randallburt | DuncanT: yeah, I think so | 16:30 |
| dustymabe | however, they are relatively new and still need some vetting | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | dustymabe: at our last design summit, we focused on cluster upgrades as a feature we'd like to address in Magnum. To upgrade the COE (kubernetes, docker/swarm, mesos, etc.) we expressed a preference to try and keep the host OS as immutable as possible, and stop/start new container images that compose the various components of the COE. Adopting hypercube should advance us toward that ideal. | 16:30 |
| randallburt | sorry DuncanT, I meant dustymabe | 16:30 |
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| dustymabe | adrian_otto: yes, hypercube should advance you towards that idea | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | or hyperkube... can not remember which is the correct spelling now. | 16:31 |
| randallburt | either way, we mean containerized k8s | 16:31 |
| dustymabe | we are working on system containers as well and hope to have that be something people like you can consume | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: +1 | 16:31 |
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| randallburt | dustymabe: awesome, that sounds like just the ticket | 16:31 |
| dustymabe | I can try to give a demo of that when we meet if you like | 16:31 |
| strigazi | Do you work on putting container images in the ostree? | 16:32 |
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| dustymabe | strigazi: me personally? | 16:32 |
| strigazi | you and your team | 16:32 |
| dustymabe | actually I should take a step back and ask exactly what you mean by that | 16:32 |
| juggler | #link http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33953254/what-is-hyperkube | 16:32 |
| dustymabe | because that could possibly mean more than one thing | 16:32 |
| randallburt | strigazi: that seems fairly straightforward assuming you have a system unit that loads them into docker on startup | 16:32 |
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| strigazi | Without pulling | 16:33 |
| Drago1 | and without loading | 16:33 |
| dustymabe | strigazi: - oh you mean bake into the image and start on boot | 16:33 |
| strigazi | yes | 16:33 |
| randallburt | blows up your image size tho | 16:33 |
| tonanhngo | pay now or pay later | 16:33 |
| Drago1 | That's less important than the time it takes to pull or load the image on boot | 16:33 |
| dustymabe | got ya, yeah so we have tossed around the idea of being able to use anaconda to build images that also container container images in them | 16:34 |
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| strigazi | it will, but we have a big issue with our CI's poor performance | 16:34 |
| randallburt | tonanhngo: Drago1 fair enough | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | in a large scale environment it's a way of "pre-pulling" most of what needs to start at launch time. | 16:34 |
| dustymabe | right, it all depends on who you are and what you care about | 16:34 |
| dustymabe | once we achieve containerized kube status | 16:35 |
| strigazi | For the CI is a good option | 16:35 |
| dustymabe | then some people would benefit from having the images baked | 16:35 |
| strigazi | for a real deployment a local registry is better | 16:35 |
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| dustymabe | but then some people say, i'm not using those images at all so the extra 100s of MiB suck | 16:35 |
| dustymabe | so I think we'll probably rely on not having the images baked but making it relaly easy to set up and pull from registry | 16:36 |
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| randallburt | dustymabe: true, but in our case if the mechanism was there, we'd use the crap out of it | 16:36 |
| dustymabe | of course we can also offer tools for people to build there own image with prebaked images | 16:36 |
| randallburt | dustymabe: I think that last part would be best IMO | 16:36 |
| dustymabe | *prebaked container images* | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | dustymabe: thanks so much for coming today. I know you've got to peel out now. We're looking forward to having you at the PTG, and maybe following up on an ML thread on the openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org list. | 16:36 |
| strigazi | we need that last on for the ci | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | you are welcome to join our team emetings any time | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | *meetings | 16:37 |
| dustymabe | adrian_otto: :) | 16:37 |
| strigazi | thanks dustymabe | 16:37 |
| randallburt | strigazi: agreed, because pre-baked isn't an issue for upgrade IMO | 16:37 |
| juggler | thank you dustymabe :) | 16:37 |
| dustymabe | indeed, and you guys feel free to send a mail to atomic-devel@projectatomic.io | 16:37 |
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| randallburt | thanks dustymabe | 16:37 |
| strigazi | randallburt yes | 16:37 |
| dustymabe | i hope to see you guys around more! :) | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | indeed! | 16:38 |
| dustymabe | and also that I can answer your questions favorably, or at least find a "good enough" solution | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: on the subject of Fedora... | 16:38 |
| Drago1 | Did someone say 3rd party CI? Because that's what I'm hearing. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | yesterday we had a breif exchange where you identified our FC25 driver work as essential for inclusion in Ocata, to which I agreed. | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | a couple of additional contributors agreed to help out. | 16:39 |
| strigazi | The issue is to build an image with a specific fix for cloud-init | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | Drago1: yes, I think one of the things we should cover at the PTG is whether upstream linux packagers would be willing to host a 3rd party CI for the drivers that use their distros. | 16:40 |
| strigazi | The diskimage-builder process I was using doesn't work. So I look into the imagefectory process | 16:40 |
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| strigazi | After that fix, I think we are good to go | 16:41 |
| dustymabe | strigazi: hopefully I'll have you an image with that in it to test sometime tonight | 16:41 |
| strigazi | And the good thing is that the fix will go into fedora and in a few days it will be included by default | 16:41 |
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| * dustymabe goes now :) | 16:42 | |
| adrian_otto | strigazi: on the subject of testing the FC25 image... do you have enough help for that? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | dustymabe: o/ | 16:42 |
| strigazi | (a few) is relative :) | 16:42 |
| strigazi | adrian_otto yes, I'm good with that | 16:42 |
| strigazi | I wanted to include another change for the driver field but I don't know if we can do it, there I could use some help | 16:43 |
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| randallburt | strigazi: what change? | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | for the Ocata release , we indicate to the release team which release tag we would like them to use. | 16:43 |
| jasond | adrian_otto: did you mean to say FA25 (fedora atomic 25)? | 16:43 |
| strigazi | jasond yes | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | one option is to go ahead and tag the client now, and wait for the FC25 work to land to tag the server | 16:44 |
| strigazi | randallburt https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:driver-field | 16:44 |
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| randallburt | strigazi: gotcha. was looking at that earlier | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will refer to is at FA25 from this point, sorry! | 16:44 |
| strigazi | adrian_otto, for the FA25 patch we can do that | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | another option is we can tag both the server and client today, and then tag the server again once the FA25 patch has landed | 16:45 |
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| strigazi | adrian_otto, the result would be the same I guess | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | and we'll have the option of which tag to designate as the release based on how long it's taking | 16:45 |
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| strigazi | ok | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | what do you all think is best? | 16:46 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: are we getting pressure from the release team? | 16:46 |
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| adrian_otto | randallburt: a little, but it's still civilized. | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | I could consult the release team for guidance too. | 16:47 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: k, sounds best IMO. Tag now if they need it now and see if we can tag again later. If they are ok with waiting, we should IMO | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | what I'm tempted to do is just cut tags today, and send an email to the ML identifying the FA25 work as a planned FFE. | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | since it will not change any strings in magnum, that should not kick other teams off track. | 16:48 |
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| strigazi | go for it | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | but we have a grey area around new features | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | for example, will our docs change because of the FA25 work? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | if so, we'll need to have a plan for dealing with that | 16:49 |
| strigazi | I don't think so | 16:49 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: ideally, no. This should be image and internal template updates IIRC | 16:49 |
| strigazi | randallburt | 16:49 |
| strigazi | randallburt yes | 16:49 |
| strigazi | we will rename the image fedora-atomic-ocata anyway | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so we can do that | 16:50 |
| randallburt | very good plan that | 16:50 |
| strigazi | only the k8s and docker number may change in a couple of places | 16:50 |
| Drago1 | Well it does change the k8s version, so if anything refers to that, it would | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | anyone have an objection to witholding all workflow+1 actions until after Friday, with the FA25 work as an exception? | 16:50 |
| randallburt | strigazi: os-distro too? | 16:50 |
| strigazi | randallburt no | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | when I looked last night, we had a couple of features that were partially merged because the gate tests were timing out. | 16:51 |
| randallburt | strigazi: potentially problematic, but not in stock deployments so nbd I guess | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | I have not looked again this morning to see if that continued. | 16:51 |
| vijendar | adrian_otto: I have couple patches related Resource Quota that were not merged yet | 16:51 |
| strigazi | ^^ random ci failures | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | vijendar: okay, that's one of the areas I'd like to finish up in before we officially call the freeze | 16:51 |
| vijendar | ok | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | so, all core reviewers: Watch for the ML announcement from me for the indication of when no more workflow+1 votes should be made. Fair? | 16:52 |
| juggler | so the revised feature freeze date is asap, correct? | 16:52 |
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| juggler | sounds fair | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: we have not entered freeze officially yet, but we are trying to merge in the last few features that we planned for this release cycle | 16:53 |
| hieulq_ | adrian_otto: there are also 2 patch regarding OSProfiler that got your +2 this morning, please review them | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | we planned to initiate the freeze yesterday, but have some good reasons to revisit that action. | 16:53 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: we can call feature freeze and still get patches that are in-flight in can't we? We just say if they aren't on the list, they don't get looked at until after, correct? | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | hieulq_: yes, I'll do that, thanks. | 16:53 |
| randallburt | adrian_otto: or do you mean tag the repo for an rc? | 16:54 |
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| juggler | adrian_otto understood! :) | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | randallburt: the tag action is not clearly visible to all reviewers, so I'm planning to use the ML to make it clear what's happened and when, and what to do next. | 16:55 |
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| hieulq_ | adrian_otto: +1 | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | ok, opening for open discussion now... | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: gotcha | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | randallburt: the distinction we want to make during freeze is whether a patch is a bug fix or feature. I want to get features in before cutting new tags. | 16:57 |
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| randallburt | adrian_otto: ah, ok. I misunderstood. thanks! | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | then after tags are cut, I want to limit all merges to clearly defined FFE's | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | then after freeze, we go back to merging everything again. | 16:58 |
| randallburt | k | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | and we are not required to freeze | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | this is a discipline that we should get used to if we change release status from ...intermediary... to the normal one | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | all we are required to do in our current project designation is to tag releases and inform the release team what we want them to use. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | if anything is foggy here, I'll answer all questions in #openstack-containers after we adjourn. | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | time up | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | Thanks everyone for attending today. Our next team meeting will be 2017-01-31 at 1600 UTC. See you all then! | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 17:00:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-01-24-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-01-24-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-01-24-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| juggler | thx all | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 17:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| felipemonteiro | o/ | 17:02 |
| learnmore_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hey felipemonteiro ) | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hi learnmore_ | 17:02 |
| felipemonteiro | Hi kzaitsev_mb | 17:02 |
| learnmore_ | Hello to both of you. | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro: I've seen your commit, but you should also write a letter to openstack-dev@ mailing list to let everyone know about your intentions ) | 17:05 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: I'm going to do that as soon as I have some free time; I'm doing some important last-minute work, then I'll get to it. But thanks for the suggestion! | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro: also looks like it has been approved already | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424371/ | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so yeah congrats on your nomination ) | 17:06 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: Yes, I saw. Thanks, I honestly didn't expect it to happen that fast. | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro: a letter is really important and all you have to do is copy-paste the text from your nomination commit. =) you wouldnt expect most of the team to monitor that repository =) | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but everyone reads openstack-dev | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | it would also give the team a chance to comment ) | 17:09 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: Will do. Just wanted to also mention all of us here in Atlanta will probably be there everyday for the PTG. A lot of the things I mentioned in the letter are relevant to my org, and I tried to also pick up some things I thought were important in the backlog. | 17:09 |
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| felipemonteiro | So I think it's important to get Mirantis's insights too. | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro: thanks =) | 17:10 |
| felipemonteiro | That goes without saying. You (plural) are the reason why the project exists! | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | as far as I know — myself and Stan are still coming | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so it would be nice to meet you in person and officially pass the torch ) | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we'd aslo need to make point releases | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this Thursday is the deadline for client libraries and also o-3 (although we do not follow milestones) | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so I'm planning to make a commit requesting those releases either today or tomorrow | 17:14 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: I'll take a look at it when I get a chance. | 17:15 |
| felipemonteiro | On another note, do you know if Victor Ryzhenkin will continue in Murano? He abandoned some things I thought could've been merged. | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro: would ping him over that one ) | 17:18 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: I'm wondering whether we will lose any cores, too, or whether they're all going to still do code reviews? | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also we can use an etherpad to see which topics we would like to cover/discuss on the ptg | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-atlanta-ptg | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | this one for example | 17:21 |
| felipemonteiro | Awesome. | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm going to think of some transition topics to fill it with | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and would draft a letter after we have some of those in | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | felipemonteiro: murano will definitelly lose some of the cores due to inactivity. I'm planning to participate, I think I can ping others from time to time | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I usually allowed a cycle or so before rising the question on the ML | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | funny fact — I'm still the top reviewer )) | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://stackalytics.com/?module=murano-group | 17:24 |
| learnmore_ | what is ML? | 17:24 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: Yeah, I've been taking a wait-and-see approach. I really want to bug other people around me at work to join Murano and contribute to become core :) | 17:24 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | learnmore_: ML — short for mailing list | 17:25 |
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| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: I don't think anyone will beat 1000+ reviews for a loooong time | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | idk =) i came to love reviewing code | 17:26 |
| felipemonteiro | My guess is most devs probably do after they've written so much code themselves. | 17:27 |
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| learnmore_ | kzaitsev_mb: Did you get my email about device names for cinder volumes? | 17:29 |
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| learnmore_ | Kzaitsev_mb: I also sent another this morning (my time) about the source for a cinder volume. | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | learnmore_: I did — put a TODO tag on that one, but hadn't reviewed my queue yet. ) | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | would try to get into the issue | 17:31 |
| learnmore_ | kzaitsev_mb: Thanks. Look forward to hearing from you on these issues. | 17:32 |
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| learnmore_ | In order to fully support our database in the murano app catalog, we need more support in Murano. There is more to it than just what I sent you. We are willing to contribute to Murano too. | 17:34 |
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| learnmore_ | If we do contribute, we will need help/guidance. | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | learnmore_: glad to hear that =) I think we've always been open for contributions ) and I'd be happy to provide any help/assistance I can =) | 17:35 |
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| learnmore_ | Glad to hear this. I do have a devstack environment up and running with Murano and have set breakpoints in Murano code with pycharm. So this is the first baby step :) | 17:37 |
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| learnmore_ | I would like your feedback on my requests to see if they can lead to blueprints for Murano. | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | learnmore_: sure, would look into that too ) | 17:39 |
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| learnmore_ | Just a heads up, we are also looking into what improvements we will need in the Murano UI to support our database. To deploy our database, there are many configuration options. We need to figure out the best way to display them for the user. | 17:42 |
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| learnmore_ | We are also willing to make these improvements too. | 17:43 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sry — got really distracted =) | 17:48 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | does anyone have any more news or can we end the meeting a bit early? | 17:48 |
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| learnmore_ | I'm fine with ending the meeting. Till next week. | 17:49 |
| felipemonteiro | kzaitsev_mb: Same. | 17:49 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | k, see you =) | 17:50 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | thanks for joining today ) | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 17:50:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-01-24-17.01.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-01-24-17.01.txt | 17:50 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 24 19:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:01 |
| pvaneck_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-01-24 | 19:02 |
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| luzC | o/ | 19:04 |
| catherineD | Alright let's start | 19:04 |
| catherineD | agenda --> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-01-24 | 19:04 |
| sslypushenko_ | o/ | 19:05 |
| catherineD | #topic Move environment related packages out of requirements.txt | 19:05 |
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| luzC | would you mind to elaborate on that one? | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | As we discussed last week, in order to support tox to check the requirments file ... we may need to create a env-requirlemt file ... I did some test | 19:06 |
| catherineD | and will send a patch after this meeting | 19:07 |
| luzC | oh ok, sounds good | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko_ | I'd vote for separate dev-requirements.txt | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: greate | 19:08 |
| catherineD | great :-) | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | next topic | 19:08 |
| catherineD | any other thoughts before we move to the next topic? | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | alright moving on ... | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #topic Implementation plan for customized guidelines | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | This has always been a item that we plan to implement ... | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | That's one of my working items, and we're presenting it to the board today | 19:10 |
| catherineD | it just that the vendor and product registration has higher priority | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | My question is do we still want to do that ... but with hogepodge: statement .. I guess we do? | 19:11 |
| garloff | I like it | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | originally we want to base the implementation on Andrey's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310621/ ... but he had abandoned that .. | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: vendor and product registration? | 19:13 |
| garloff | Customized interop test (DefCore plus XXx) with XXx meaning that tool XXx will likely work | 19:13 |
| luzC | that review is for defcore project to add a new json schema right? | 19:13 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: that code was available since December 9 , 2016 on refstack,org .. | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I think sorting out new guideline format is higher priority | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | Ok, I misunderstood. | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: We still want to have a more flexible schema that allows for a broader collection of guidelines, and offer the ability to compose them | 19:14 |
| catherineD | I am not sure vendor has used the vendor and product registration feature yet .. but we need foundation to mark the test as verified for data retention purpose .. | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: ok I take that we still want customized guideline .. | 19:16 |
| catherineD | luzC: yes .. | 19:16 |
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| hogepodge | Here's the board report https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MFotmauuwZXmmhiTj_iyzUIOcTZA1V8JXgPk8Lqdc-4/edit, last section before the appendices | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | correct link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MFotmauuwZXmmhiTj_iyzUIOcTZA1V8JXgPk8Lqdc-4/edit?usp=sharing | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: great .. so I will add this as an item for the PTG ... | 19:18 |
| catherineD | that is all we need to know at this meeting whether it is still what we want to implement and the answer is "yes" .. | 19:19 |
| catherineD | we can discuss more on how to next .. | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: thanks | 19:19 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: yw | 19:20 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:20 |
| catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410443/ ( Added tox target which checks requirements.txt ) | 19:21 |
| catherineD | luzC: as discuss earlier, I will send a patch to split out the env-requirement ... then we can merge this patch .. | 19:22 |
| luzC | yes, sounds good | 19:22 |
| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419178/ ( Add ability to auto-associate tests ) | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko_ | catherineD: ping me in email please, we you ready | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: will do | 19:23 |
| catherineD | please review ... | 19:23 |
| luzC | I'll take a look later today | 19:24 |
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| luzC | :) | 19:25 |
| catherineD | thx | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/ ( Change doc references from DefCore to Interop Working Group ) | 19:27 |
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| luzC | probably I should -1 since I changed some git references so patch should land until git repo is changed to interop-wg ... | 19:27 |
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| luzC | reviews are welcome too at this point | 19:28 |
| catherineD | luzC: I think the decision has been made to use “OpenStack Powered (TM) Guidelines” as the guideline name | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | ok I will add a comment on the patch ... | 19:29 |
| luzC | yes, and I think I also implement the change already on patch 2, but I'll double check | 19:29 |
| catherineD | ok everyone please review this patch ... since DefCore renames to Interop WG is now official .. | 19:30 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:31 |
| luzC | I'll work also on the refstack-client patch (change a couple of references there) | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422348/ ( Remove support for py33 ) | 19:31 |
| catherineD | luzC: thanks! | 19:31 |
| pvaneck_ | this patch looks fine. and yea, can probably look into adding a tox env to run function tests in 3.4 or 3.5 | 19:33 |
| luzC | I reviewed it looks good just after reviewing it I was wondering if we should start testing/add py35... and also not sure if we should add py34-func-mysql tox environment? | 19:33 |
| luzC | pvaneck_ agree | 19:33 |
| catherineD | pvaneck_: so let's looking into testing 3.4 and 3.5 before we merge this patch ... | 19:34 |
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| pvaneck_ | seems unit tests are currently being run with 3.5 | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | yea so adding 3.5 to RefStack tox make sense ? | 19:35 |
| catherineD | may be skipping 3.4 ? | 19:36 |
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| sslypushenko_ | catherineD: Looks like you are right | 19:36 |
| pvaneck_ | yea, thats probably fine | 19:37 |
| catherineD | alright .. moving on .. | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko_ | python 3.4 is too old =) | 19:37 |
| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419271/ ( Use upper-constraints for tox envs ) | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko_ | That is awesome ! | 19:38 |
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| catherineD | do you think we need this? | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | it does not seems to break or hurt us? | 19:40 |
| luzC | I don't think we need them, I need to double check | 19:40 |
| catherineD | luzC: thanks! | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | we will do it if it is common OpenStack requirement or practice | 19:42 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:43 |
| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:43 |
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| sslypushenko_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410283/ | 19:45 |
| sslypushenko_ | We really need this patch | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko_ | In order to keep test coverage in good health | 19:46 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko_: thanks for submitting the patch ... | 19:47 |
| catherineD | everyone please review .... | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko_ | it is pretty old one, but it is still actual | 19:49 |
| catherineD | thanks for bringing this to our attention | 19:49 |
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| pvaneck_ | +1 will be a good check to have | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | we all should review and +1 for the RefStack team | 19:51 |
| catherineD | pvaneck_: agree | 19:51 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:51 |
| catherineD | RefStack will have a 1/2 day session at PTG ... | 19:52 |
| catherineD | Please add PTG topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG: | 19:52 |
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| catherineD | anything else to discuss? | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | hearing nothing. I think we can close up for the day ... | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | thank you all for attending ... | 19:54 |
| catherineD | bye everyone | 19:54 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 24 19:55:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-01-24-19.00.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-01-24-19.00.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-01-24-19.00.log.html | 19:55 |
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