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IgorYozhikov#startmeeting rpm_packaging13:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  2 13:02:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'13:02
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jpenao/13:02
IgorYozhikov#chair toabctl IgorYozhikov jpena dirk number8013:03
openstackCurrent chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena number80 toabctl13:03
toabctlhi13:03
IgorYozhikovlet's spend a couple of minutes on agenda update - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging13:03
dirko/13:03
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jruzickao/13:06
IgorYozhikovlet's start13:07
IgorYozhikov#topic nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ - cross distro diffs & how to resolve such cases(policykit, sudoers.d, etc; package folder ownership)13:08
*** openstack changes topic to "nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ - cross distro diffs & how to resolve such cases(policykit, sudoers.d, etc; package folder ownership) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)"13:08
IgorYozhikovI saw comments left by toabctl but @ at 1st I want to talk about differences between RH & SUSE13:10
toabctlwho added that topic?13:10
IgorYozhikovI'm13:10
toabctlok :)13:10
IgorYozhikovand after that discuss comments13:11
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IgorYozhikova couple of days ago dirk wrote about diffs for policykit13:12
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IgorYozhikovbecause of errors raised in SUSE CI while nova packages were building13:13
IgorYozhikovI'm speaking about such errors13:13
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s] openstack-nova-cert-15.0.0.0~xbeta2-1.1.noarch.rpm: directories not owned by a package:13:13
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /usr/com13:13
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s] openstack-nova-common-15.0.0.0~xbeta2-1.1.noarch.rpm: directories not owned by a package:13:13
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /etc/polkit-113:13
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /etc/polkit-1/localauthority13:14
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d13:14
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /etc/polkit-1/rules.d13:14
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /etc/sudoers.d13:14
IgorYozhikov[ 2726s]  - /usr/com13:14
IgorYozhikovtoabctl, dirk could you please point me - how to solve this?13:14
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* toabctl needs to look into the changeset...13:15
jpenaIgorYozhikov: I had some similar issues in the neutron review, and fixed it by adding the packages that own those directories as BuildRequires13:16
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IgorYozhikovjpena, could you point me on which line in PR is this?13:19
jpenaIgorYozhikov, for example line 46 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/8/openstack/neutron/neutron.spec.j2 . The SUSE CI was complaining that I had no owner for /etc/sudoers.d, so I added sudo as BR13:20
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IgorYozhikovo i c13:20
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IgorYozhikovjust want to understand - is it a hack || workaround. I mean, is this a valid way for resolving such cases in future?13:22
jpenagood question, I think it's due to the way the SUSE CI checks for directories, but I'd let dirk or toabctl comment on that13:22
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IgorYozhikovjpena, agree here. Explanation of how-to do it in the right way will be awesome :)13:23
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IgorYozhikovjpena, do you have any comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ while toabctl is looking into CI ?13:25
jpenaIgorYozhikov: nothing yet, I have to give it a good look13:25
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IgorYozhikovI'm not sure that systemd.service needs to do something with DB as a pre-start stage. toabctl suggested to add db sync there13:27
toabctland it is allowed to fail. see the minus13:27
jpenawe don't add the db syncs in the service start, that's a task we leave for the deployment tool13:28
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IgorYozhikovso, what decision we are going to make here, I'm about db syncs?13:33
IgorYozhikovleave all configuration machinery to CM tools || add it with allowance of failure?13:34
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IgorYozhikovAs for me, if suggested by toabctl approach wouldn't produce any harm - I'm fine with it13:36
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jpenawe can give it a try. The only downside is a longer service startup time13:37
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IgorYozhikovok13:38
IgorYozhikov#agreed to use db syncs as pre-start stage in service unit files,  starting with '-' before command, example:  ExecStartPre=-/usr/bin/nova-manage db sync13:39
IgorYozhikovtoabctl, any updates related to CI and folders ownership?13:40
toabctlIgorYozhikov, no13:40
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dirkIgorYozhikov: what do you mean13:41
dirk?13:41
* dirk is back from real life13:41
IgorYozhikovdirk, we are discussing folder ownership and diffs between distros13:42
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IgorYozhikov<<jpena>> IgorYozhikov, for example line 46 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/8/openstack/neutron/neutron.spec.j2 . The SUSE CI was complaining that I had no owner for /etc/sudoers.d, so I added sudo as BR13:42
IgorYozhikovAnd we want to understand how to solve such cases in the right way13:43
dirkIgorYozhikov: there are two ways, a) add buildrequires to packages that would normally "own" the directory13:43
dirkor b) own the directories13:43
IgorYozhikovdirk, so suggested by jpena approach is valid, right?13:44
dirkbasically the idea is by policy we want each directory that exists on an installed customer end user system to be owned by at least one rpm, ideally exactly one13:44
dirkyeah, sudo buildrequires might work13:44
IgorYozhikovyey :)13:44
dirkyep, it owns the dir13:44
dirkso yes, thats the proper fix then13:44
IgorYozhikovok, let's move to the next topic then.13:44
IgorYozhikovI'll propose updates to nova soon13:45
dirkthanks!13:45
IgorYozhikov#topic neutron https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/ - finally pass CIs, review requried13:45
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dirkI know I took the action item of swift, its still on my todo somewhere13:45
* dirk is just dead under the water right now13:45
IgorYozhikovjpena, MOS CI finally built missed deps and neutron passed all CIs13:46
jpenanice!13:47
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jpenaso please go ahead and review it now if you can13:47
IgorYozhikovwill do13:47
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IgorYozhikovalso I want to ask other colleagues to do the same :)13:48
IgorYozhikovgood13:48
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IgorYozhikov#topic - PTG planning13:49
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IgorYozhikovauthor of ^^ topic, please proceed13:49
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IgorYozhikovjpena, toabctl do you know who suggested last topic?13:52
dirkdo we have a room?13:52
jpenadunno13:52
dirkdoes anyone know?13:53
toabctlwho will be there? dirk, number80  and me?13:53
dirkyes13:53
toabctlmaybe number80 knows?13:53
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IgorYozhikovyes, he said a couple of words during previous meeting, but nothing special13:55
IgorYozhikovso I think that we need to ping him about PTG13:55
IgorYozhikovI'll be able to join PTG session remotely it this will be possible13:56
IgorYozhikovs/it/if/13:56
dirkplase do13:58
dirkit would be good to have a room and so on13:58
dirkand I have not seen any updates on this so far13:58
IgorYozhikovI'll try to talk to number8013:59
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IgorYozhikovok, thanx every1 4 attending14:00
IgorYozhikov#endmeeting14:00
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, thanks14:01
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slashme#startmeeting freezer14:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  2 14:04:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:04
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slashmeHello everyone :)14:04
dstepanenkohi slashme14:04
slashmeAs usual, the meeting notes and agenda can be found here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings14:05
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slashmeAnd it is actually empty.14:05
slashmeSo appart from discussing the incoming release14:06
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slashmeWe can discuss anything you like14:06
slashme#topic release14:07
dstepanenkoI was looking through the list of bugs14:07
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slashmedstepanenko: yes ?14:07
dstepanenkothere are several opened bugs with "high" priority14:08
dstepanenkoand I wonder, why this change was abandoned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370254 ?14:08
dstepanenkoall the remaining issues are fixed in some way14:08
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dstepanenkothis one is the only unfinished14:08
dstepanenkoas far as I see14:09
slashmeI'm not sure.14:09
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slashmeWe need to ask yangyapeng14:09
dstepanenkoyep, I hoped he'll come today14:09
dstepanenkoprobably, it will happen a bit later :)14:09
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dstepanenkoactually, I don't have any other topics to discuss14:12
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slashmeOkay.14:12
slashmeI will be releasing RC1 today.14:13
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dstepanenkosounds great14:13
slashmeIf we have a few last bug-fixes we want in, it would be nice to merge them quickly.14:13
slashmeAppart from that, let's wait to see if the other join, otherwise, I'll close the meeting.14:14
dstepanenkosounds like a plan14:15
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slashmeWell, I guess that's it14:44
slashme#endmeeting14:44
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  2 15:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
dustins\o15:00
vponomaryovHello15:00
tbarronhi15:00
marksturhello15:01
gansohello15:01
Yogi1Hi15:01
bswartzgouthamr might be a few minutes late -- he's interviewing a candidate atm15:01
rhagarty\o15:01
xyang2hi15:02
bswartz#topic announcements15:02
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bswartzthe target date for RC1 is today15:03
bswartz#link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/ocata-rc115:03
bswartzI count 17 open bugs on this list15:03
gouthamrhello o/15:03
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vkmco/ hiii15:04
bswartztoday I'm going to start retargetting bugs to pike15:04
kaisershi15:04
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bswartzbecause while I'm okay with not doing RC1 today, it does need to get done in the next couple of days15:04
bswartzalso a reminder15:05
bswartzPTG is in 2.5 weeks!15:05
bswartzkeep adding topics to the etherpad15:05
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bswartz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics15:05
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:06
bswartzoops looks like an item was left off of this15:06
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bswartzfixed15:06
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bswartz#topic Microversions15:06
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bswartzrhagarty you're up15:06
rhagartyok...15:07
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bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42011915:07
toabctlhi15:07
rhagartyfrom manila_ui perspective, was hoping to just make single call to get min support based on installed client and service15:07
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rhagartyI think right now, the call to get microversion support is just a call to manila endpoint15:08
bswartzrhagarty: what are you not able to get from the current endpoint?15:09
bswartzI'm unclear on what's missing15:09
rhagartywhat if the installled client is older and doesn't provide support?15:09
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vponomaryovrhagarty: what is wrong with this -> https://github.com/openstack/python-manilaclient/blob/c0fdf827/manilaclient/api_versions.py#L3015:10
bswartzhow old?15:10
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rhagartyuser has older client that doesn't support new feature added in 2.33, but endpoint service says we support 2.52.15:10
vponomaryovrhagarty: you have versions range in client and get it from server15:10
bswartzanything so old that it doesn't speak microversions will be stuck with the v1 API anyways15:10
vponomaryovrhagarty: don't see problem at all15:11
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rhagartyok - let me take a look...15:11
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* bswartz doesn't see a problem either15:12
rhagartyand remember, I am talking from manila_ui perspective... goal would be not to show feature. Getting an error is not the best solution...15:12
bswartzI hope this is just a misunderstanding about the version API15:12
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rhagartyok - thanks15:12
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vponomaryovrhagarty: it is question of manila UI behaviour in using of existing client functionality15:13
bswartzrhagarty: I completely agree -- the UI must be capable of greying out or hiding functionality from the user if it's not going to work15:13
tbarronrhagarty: do you want conditional behavior in the UI depending on max microversion supported in the python-manilaclient?15:13
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bswartzletting the user try something which will always fail is a dumb user experience15:13
dustinsand infuriating to the user15:14
rhagartytbarron: yes15:14
tbarronso we have UI that supports share groups but client that does not for example15:14
bswartzwhat?!?!15:14
tbarroncustomer has15:14
gansotbarron: the client has to support first15:14
gansotbarron: manila-UI uses client, does not make rest calls directly15:14
bswartzthat particular case should be prevented using proper requirements15:14
bswartzthe UI should simply have a dependency on the client version that supports what it needs15:15
tbarronI'm just trying to get the problem or perceived problem exposed clearly.15:15
bswartzit would be idiotic to allow the UI to run with a too-old client version15:15
rhagartybswartz:  how is that prevented?15:15
gansobswartz: like, older than the UI itself?15:15
tbarronrhagarty: correct if that's the wrong idea15:15
bswartzrhagarty: requirements.txt15:15
gouthamryeah, but the requirements need a fix then.. https://github.com/openstack/manila-ui/blob/master/requirements.txt#L1415:16
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vponomaryovrhagarty: also strange to hear "too old" when whole openstack has "requirements.txt" file describing all dependencies15:16
bswartzeveryone understands that packages depend on minimum versions of other packages15:16
bswartzif you can't satisfy those dependencies then you can't use the package15:16
gouthamrwe say anything greater than 1.12.0 is acceptable..15:16
bswartzit's not like these things are installed on different machines -- it's all local15:16
gouthamrwhich is weird..15:16
gouthamrwe've upper constraints for releases, but not milestones when features get in15:16
tbarrongouthamr: +115:17
vponomaryovgouthamr: why?15:17
bswartzthe fix is to bump up he minimum client version15:17
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vponomaryovgouthamr: while lib keeps being backwards compatible why it is weird?15:17
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bswartzI can't think of ANY good reason to use an old client version with a new UI version15:17
vponomaryovbswartz: own fork?15:18
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bswartzwhat fork?15:18
vponomaryovof client15:18
bswartzwho cares about forks15:18
vponomaryovdownstream fork of upstream client15:18
toabctlthen it's the problem of the people who did the fork15:18
gouthamrvponomaryov: the lib being the manilaclient?15:18
bswartztoabctl: +900015:18
tbarronthey forked themselves15:18
vponomaryovbswartz; you said "think", I mentioned one of possible15:18
bswartzI said good reason15:19
vponomaryovok )15:19
bswartzpeople who fork code are on their own15:19
bswartztypically forks are done by smart people, such as downstream package maintainers15:19
toabctlmanila-ui/ocata should simply require manilaclient/ocata15:19
bswartzyes15:19
toabctlwhich is done via g-r15:19
bswartzI completely agree15:20
tbarronthat seems right15:20
vponomaryovthat is why I don't see any reason in proposed feature of UI project such as "support range of microversions at once"15:20
bswartzso my stance here is that manila-ui should be able to depend on a completely modern version of manilaclient -- there should never be a version mismatch between those15:20
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bswartzhowever manila-ui should be prepared to deal with possibly older or newer versions of the server15:21
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vponomaryovbswartz: server should be of the same release15:21
bswartzmicroversions exist to help with compabitility between client version and server versions15:21
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bswartznot between application versions and client versions15:21
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rhagartybswartz: agreed15:22
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gouthamrokay, so we need to bump the requirements file for ocata.. i.e, release python-manilaclient 1.x and require >=1.x15:22
bswartzvponomaryov: on most cases yes, but we added microversions to cover the small set of cases where that's not true15:22
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bswartzgouthamr: +115:22
bswartzokay can we move on?15:22
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rhagartybswartz: yes, thanks15:22
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bswartz#topic Share groups bugs15:22
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bswartzso in the conversion from consistency groups to share groups, some functionality was lost15:23
vponomaryovand some existing bugs were discovered too15:23
bswartzand there are some bugs in the core of share groups, but according to vponomaryov those are waiting for review15:23
gansobswartz: others are being postponed to be fixed in Pike...15:24
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bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/166032115:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1660321 in Manila "share-group-snapshot-create is not passing share as part of snapshot" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov)15:24
bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/166031915:24
bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/165902315:24
bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/166126615:24
bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/166126815:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1660319 in Manila "share continues to be member of group after migration" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rodrigo Barbieri (rodrigo-barbieri2010)15:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1659023 in Manila "Consistent Snapshots are broken in the NetApp cDOT driver" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Ben Swartzlander (bswartz)15:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1661266 in Manila "Share group types have no public extra specs" [Undecided,New]15:24
openstackLaunchpad bug 1661268 in Manila "consistent_snapshots group extra spec should allow "pool" and "host" consistency" [Undecided,New]15:24
gouthamrouch15:24
bswartzsorry for paste storm15:24
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gouthamrthe bugs hurt more  :P15:24
bswartzanyways I'm concerned about the problems users may have upgrading from newton to ocata, and from ocata to pike15:25
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vponomaryovfirst two ready to review/merge15:25
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bswartzI think we should consider disabling share group APIs for the ocata release, and turning them on in pike15:25
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vponomaryovIt has been experimental feature15:26
vponomaryovwhy it should be disabled?15:26
bswartzour main objective (my main objective at least) was to remove the experimental cgroup APIs which we've known needed to be removed for a long time, and that's done15:26
tbarronI certainly don't want to be handling escalated customer calls on this stuff.15:26
tbarronWe aren't testing it downstream end-to-end.15:27
tbarronYet.15:27
bswartzmainly I want to make sure our messaging is clear about what is usable and what should be avoided15:27
gansovponomaryov: I think it is better to be disabled than to explain erroneous behaviors to customers15:27
vponomaryovtbaron: disable it in your deployments, what is the problem then?15:27
bswartzI don't want to remove the code -- it's good code and we should build on it15:27
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bswartzbut I'm proposing turning it dark for just this release, since we have no time to resolve remaining issues15:27
bswartzvponomaryov: alternatively we could disable it through policy.json upstream, and people who wanted to experiment with it could re-enable it15:28
gouthamrdisable how? make 'em unroutable? or set the policy so deployers/users can enable at their own risk?15:28
tbarronvponomaryov: maybe, but we want to minimize differences between upstream and downstream.15:28
vponomaryovtbarron: policy.json is configuration file15:28
gouthamri am concerned about the share-group id being in the shares model15:29
vponomaryovtbarron: I am not talking about soruce code change15:29
gouthamrand us disabling APIs15:29
bswartzmainly I don't want people thinking that they're going to have smooth sailing if they're using cgroups on newton and they upgrade15:29
gansogouthamr: maybe we should have a microversion bump for this15:29
bswartzI would rather have them wait and upgrade to pike15:29
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gansobswartz: if they do that, they'll miss all other ocata features15:29
bswartzgouthamr: that's another bug we need to file and fix15:29
bswartzganso: only customers who actually use and care about cgroups15:30
gouthamrthe only driver that supported consistency groups (CG snapshots) was cDOT/NetApp15:30
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bswartzganso: hopefully that set of customers is the empty set, but we can't be sure15:30
gansogouthamr, bswartz: we got multi-vendor clouds out there, and we can't have 2 versions of manila on a cloud15:30
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bswartzare there any technical issues with disabling the APIs through policy.json?15:32
bswartzganso: I'm not sure what your point is15:32
gansobswartz: if some cloud is already using CGs, then it is highly unlikely to upgrade to ocata15:32
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bswartzganso: and what do you propose we do to fix that?15:32
bswartzganso: I'm saying that we have no good options here15:33
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gouthamr+1 disable, but can we have an ML post to dev/operators please?15:33
bswartzeither people give up on cgroups for 1 release or they stay behind or they have unfixed bugs to face15:33
vponomaryov-1 for disable15:33
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gansobswartz: yea we don't have... existing shares in CGs will still exist, and even though they cannot be deleted or new ones created, they must remain usuable15:34
gansobswartz: s/usuable/usable15:34
vponomaryovexperimental feature + easy to disable manually15:34
bswartzvponomaryov: what is your proposal to prevent issues around consistency groups?15:34
tbarroneasy to enable manually15:34
tbarron:D15:34
gouthamrvponomaryov: we're not doing enough to protect users from the pitfalls of these "experimental" features15:34
ganso+1 disable15:34
vponomaryovbswartz: issues exist in every feature, disable anything that is not going to be used in prod15:35
vponomaryovbswartz: I woudl do so15:35
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* gouthamr remembers someone mentioning "Bob in IT sets the experimental flag in the API request and boom"15:35
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bswartzmy feeling is that experimental features are features we believe are usable but reserve the right to change based on user feedback15:36
bswartzfeatures that are under development and not ready to use at release time should be turned dark15:36
markstur+1 disable15:36
vponomaryovbswartz: experimental means "no guarantee"15:36
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marksturMy biggest concern would be for customers that were using CGs.  I don't have any of those.15:37
bswartzvponomaryov: there's never a guarantee, even on supported features15:37
gouthamrmarkstur: not sure if we have any, but that's no excuse. :)15:37
bswartzApache license specifically states NO WARANTEE15:37
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gouthamr:( whoa. bad precedents here15:38
bswartzhowever we owe it to our users to communicate what we think is good and what we think needs more work15:38
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marksturgouthamr: right but that path to share groups via bug fixes vs skipping a release might be a better call for someone with a CG impl15:38
vponomaryovbswartz: and remember feedback from last summit -> "It is experimental? No thanks, we will wait until it becomes stable"15:39
tbarronuntil the API is stable is different than until it works15:39
gansomarkstur: maybe some fixes we can backport, and then users could turn the feature on manually, once their bugfix has been backported15:39
bswartzanyone else against disabling?15:39
bswartzganso: I like that idea but I suspect the needed bugfixes will involve database migrations15:39
marksturso we could backport a disable of the disabling too?15:40
gouthamrganso: these fixes affect the database..15:40
gouthamrganso: as far as i see..15:40
gouthamrnaw man..15:40
bswartzmarkstur that would piss of distros15:40
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bswartzpiss off*15:40
tbarronCGs are a safety feature, ensuring data integrity.  I wouldn't use them till they are solid.15:40
xyang2bswartz: can't these remaining bugs be fixed and backported?15:40
gansobswartz, gouthamr: yes, but what if we have some of them fixed now with db migrations? but this is likely riskier15:40
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marksturdid someone say distros shmistros?  wasn't me. love distros15:40
bswartzxyang2: as I said, yes, unless they involve database migrations or anything that looks like a new feature15:41
gouthamrganso: we'll still review and fix them..15:41
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gansogouthamr: yes, review, but likely not test enough15:41
marksturbut it sounds like we're stuck w/o a share groups that is ready to release15:41
bswartzis anything likely to break if we change policy.json to disable the APIs?15:41
gouthamrganso: sadly15:42
bswartzwe have another agenda item I want to get to15:42
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xyang2gouthamr: NetApp CI actually passed on the groups functional tests.  Are those not working?15:43
gouthamrxyang2: we never ran them15:43
xyang2gouthamr: I saw them in the logs15:43
vponomaryovgouthamr: ))15:43
gansogouthamr: :O15:43
xyang2gouthamr: http://dcf901611175aa43f968-c54047c910227e27e1d6f03bb1796fd7.r95.cf5.rackcdn.com/64/355264/26/check/manila-cDOT-ss/75f34c0/console.txt15:44
vponomaryovxyang2: i think netapp driver uses default approach as all other drivers do15:44
gouthamrxyang2: ah.. sorry, i meant we didn't run any "CG" tests15:44
xyang2gouthamr: ok15:44
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* tbarron logs for future discussion: lots of big changes merging at FF, not enough time to test end-to-end and review.15:44
* gouthamr +10015:45
bswartzokay let's move on15:45
vponomaryovtbarron: big features are being tested for years15:45
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bswartz#topic LVM revert to snapshot15:45
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vponomaryovtbarron: and constantly improving15:45
tbarronvponomaryov: yes, we are getting better15:45
bswartzthis came up yesterday in the channel with ganso15:45
bswartzthere's a bug in LVM's revert to snapshot support15:46
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bswartzI attempted to fix it and noticed that the nfs helper code is gross15:46
bswartzwait let me step back15:46
tbarronvponomaryov: here is another example, I +2ed revert to snapshot and didn't catch this bug.15:46
tbarronvponomaryov: we won't catch them all of course15:47
bswartzmore background: the bug in LVM is that the share must be temporarily exported in order for the unmount to proceed so we can revert the LV15:47
bswartzs/exported/unexported/15:47
gansobswartz: else it gets stuck in lv merge state... were you able to unstuck it?15:47
* ganso wonders if "unstuck" is a real word15:48
bswartzat the very least the driver interface needs the manager to pass down all the access rules for that share so it can safely unexport/re-export the share15:48
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bswartzganso: unstucking it isn't the issue -- it should never have gotten to that stage15:48
bswartzanyways I want to clean up the nfs helper code and fix this bug at the same time15:49
bswartzbut that would be a reltively large change this late in the release15:49
gansobswartz: if it is not possible to unstuck and recover the data, it makes the issue level increase to critical... I wasn't able to recover data15:49
bswartzmy proposal here is to remove the revert_to_snapshot_support flag from LVM15:49
bswartzand fix this in pike15:50
vponomaryovrevert feature is not experimental, right?15:50
bswartzthe downside is that it leaves us with a test coverage hole for the new feature we merged15:50
bswartzvponomaryov: correct15:50
bswartzthe only drivers that would support the feature in ocata would be netapp and hnas (I think)15:50
vponomaryovthen yes, either disable or fix15:50
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bswartzpersonally that doesn't bother me, as we will fix the bug in pike and have first party driver support again15:51
bswartzbut there's a risk of backports to ocata breaking the revert feature (a very small risk)15:51
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bswartzand the only way we would catch those is through 3rd party CI15:51
tbarrondo we set a bad precedent/incentives?15:51
bswartztbarron: I don't think so15:52
bswartzthe requirement that we have first party driver support for the feature wasn't really violated, it was just too buggy to release15:52
tbarronwell, I can get a feature in despite not having reliable first party test/success for it.15:53
tbarronfeature velocity vs stability15:53
bswartztbarron: what remedy would you prefer?15:53
bswartzfix the LVM driver even if it's gross?15:53
bswartzdisable the feature entirely?15:54
tbarronagree we don't have any great alternatives now ...15:54
gansobswartz: I'd prefer fix even if it is gross, backport the good fix asap15:54
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* tbarron and again, I was part of moviing this one through feature freeze, am not casting stones.15:54
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bswartzI'm okay with the gross fix approach, but I wanted to warn you guys bout it15:55
bswartzabout* it15:55
gansobswartz: even though my argument against share groups was that we could not test enough, I am in for fixing now, reviewing it, testing it (it is small) and shipping in ocata15:55
bswartzokay I'll continue work on this15:55
bswartzwe're gonna skip the PTG topic today due to lack of time15:55
bswartz#topic open discussion15:56
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bswartzanything else critical for today?15:56
bswartzregarding the 17 open bugs, please get those fixes merged asap15:56
bswartzbugs without fixes will get retargeted today unless I hear from the owner15:56
bswartzand owners of bugs with fixes not ready to merge will be hearing from me15:57
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bswartzokay it looks like we're done15:58
bswartzthanks all15:58
bswartz#endmeeting15:58
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sigmavirus#startmeeting security17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb  2 17:01:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sigmavirus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security'17:01
hyakuhei#startmeeting Secu.....17:01
unrahul0/17:01
openstackhyakuhei: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.17:01
hyakuheinvm17:02
hyakuheiheh17:02
sigmavirusheh17:02
hyakuheiThanks sigmavirus17:02
sigmavirus#chair hyakuhei17:02
lhindso/17:02
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei sigmavirus17:02
knangiao/17:02
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sigmavirusyw hyakuhei17:02
michaelxino/17:02
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sigmavirus\o17:02
tkelseyo/17:02
sigmavirusCongratulations to our (returning) PTL :)17:02
hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:02
lhinds+117:02
* hyakuhei waves17:02
unrahul:)17:02
hyakuheiThanks y'all17:02
knangia:)17:02
hyakuheiOnly 5 projects were contested I think, the rest had single-candidates17:03
hyakuheiDemocracy in action....17:03
browneo/17:03
hyakuheiHowever, thanks for the support :)17:03
hyakuheisup browne17:03
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sigmavirushyakuhei: i think you meant "Democracy inaction"17:03
mdongo/17:03
hyakuheiheh.17:03
vinaypotlurio/17:04
hyakuheiok, 30 minute meeting so lets crack on - welcome mdong vinaypotluri michaelxin et al.17:04
hyakuheiWe can skip the PTL bit17:04
hyakuhei#link PTG17:04
hyakuheiSigh17:04
hyakuhei#topic PTG17:04
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hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team17:04
hyakuheiReminder to update this if you are coming and either way please add to the topics list.17:05
* mhayden stumbles in late17:05
hyakuheisup mhayden17:05
lhindshey mhayden17:05
michaelxinhi mhayden17:05
hyakuheiJust poking people to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team with ideas for security topics for hte PTG17:05
hyakuheiand if they're attending17:05
michaelxinat least we have some people attending17:06
michaelxinThanks17:06
hyakuheiYeah a couple yet to confirm, I think lhinds is a no-go, is that correct?17:06
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lhindssadly yes, but will be going to future PTGs17:06
michaelxinMajor is going. Woho17:07
hyakuheiwhoop!17:07
hyakuhei:D17:07
hyakuheiAnything more on the PTG?17:07
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brownei'll be there17:07
michaelxinbrowne: +117:07
hyakuheiExcellent :)17:08
hyakuheiShould I add you to the etherpad?17:08
browneoh i'll add myself17:08
hyakuhei:D17:08
hyakuheiCool, lets roll on then17:08
hyakuhei#topic Security Docs17:08
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hyakuheiDo we have a sicarie today?17:09
* sicarie waves17:09
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hyakuheiHey, have you caught up on your email from the docs ptl ?17:09
sicarieyes17:09
hyakuheiWant to update here?17:09
sicariesure17:09
sicarieSo contributions to the sec-guide have slowed, and the docs team is looking for ways to keep that content fresh17:09
sicarieThe first move is to change where bugs are reported: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/17:09
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sicarieand the eventual migration would be to move the sec-guide to where the rest of the specialty guides reside17:10
sicarieAs the docs team could then better curate and encourage contributions from the pool of those who contribute to docs17:10
sicariehyakuhei: did I miss anything?17:11
hyakuheiWe need to sync on this at the PTG because it felt to me more like they wanted to remove the security guide from docs.o.o rather than drum up support17:11
hyakuheiI'm yet to see how any description of how moving the content from one repo to another will improve contribution17:11
michaelxinwhy do them want to remove security guide?17:11
hyakuheiIt is low on contribution and falling behind projects17:11
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hyakuheiI pointed out in email that's because we need contributions _from_ these projects. However I do think we could do a lot more to chase these projects and orchestrate the updates17:12
sicariefor example: i've been pinging neutron resources for about the last year, and we have no meaningful contributions to that area in that time17:12
sigmavirusasettle: ping17:12
sicarieso much so that I am now doing a code review of neutron on my own to look at what hte current state is17:12
hyakuheiAs before, we'll have a meeting about this at the PTG, but as we likely only have one more meeting before the PTG I wanted people to start thinking about it17:12
sicarie+117:13
michaelxingee17:13
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asettlesigmavirus: wassup17:13
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asettleWorried Iw asn't attending your 3rd meeting for the day?17:13
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hyakuheilol17:13
michaelxinIs there anything that OSIC can help?17:13
hyakuheihi asettle we're talking about the security docs17:13
hyakuheimichaelxin possible17:13
sigmavirusasettle: do the docs team want to remove the security content from docs.o.o?17:13
asettleOh no this is legit17:13
asettleHahahah17:13
michaelxinIn OSIC here, we seem to have people working on different projects17:13
asettlelet me read it up17:13
asettleOne second17:13
sigmavirusheh17:13
michaelxinlots of core members17:14
asettle*back scroll time*17:14
mhaydenFWIW, we could add some docs in there more focused around host machine / base host security17:14
unrahulosic has a docs member ianeta who we worked closely for some syntribos stuff17:14
hyakuheiInteresting unrahul I didn't know that :) That would be useful but fundamentally we have an engagement problem. Swift seem to be pretty good but I can't think of other good examples17:14
asettleHey! So :) I can speak to a few of the concerns and questions above.17:15
michaelxinunrahul: +117:15
asettleMy proposal was just that, a proposal. With obviously no backing to it.17:15
unrahulwe could take some ownership and helpout in any way.. we are sitting with around 80 ppl working on all kinds of openstack stuff17:15
asettleMy point was: we don't want to 'dump and run' but we want to find a better place for people to be looking at this guide.17:15
michaelxinhyakuhei: We can defintely help for engagement17:15
knangiaunrahul: +117:15
asettleSo, when you say hyakuhei that "I'm yet to see how any description of how moving the content from one repo to another will improve contribution"17:15
michaelxinBefore we do any security testing, we always engage with some core members of the projects.17:15
asettleI agree with you, but that's simply because we're getting nothing in the manuals repo.17:15
sigmavirusasettle++17:16
asettleAt the moment, it's turning into tech debt for our team. We are dwindling, and fast, and we cannot keep up with all the guides we have.17:16
michaelxinunrahul has been talking with them quite a lots.17:16
knangiamichaelxin: +117:16
asettleI would like to look into, further, where people go for their security content. Manuals, or the sec repo (what has the most hits based on analytics)17:16
sigmavirusmichaelxin: that doesn't translate to security-doc activity17:16
asettleThat, to me, would determine where the guide should live.17:16
sigmavirusMost project core teams are already swamped with enough17:16
michaelxinAt least we can start the conversation and use the relationship17:16
asettleunrahul: Ianeta will be working with me (I am also OSIC and docs PTL) on HA guide engagement.17:17
michaelxinIf needed, we can contribute one full time doc guy17:17
unrahulmichaelxin: +1 true.. we can reach out more easily I guess..17:17
asettlemichaelxin: problem is, you have already dedicated one full time 'doc guy' and we are in this situation.17:17
asettleNathaniel is swamped.17:17
unrahulasettle: yup I know :).. she is sitting next to me.. so said17:17
asettleThere are 28 bugs alone reported for the sec guide.17:17
asettleThat is the highest count for any individual guide.17:17
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michaelxinSo, our top priority is to work on 28 current bugs17:18
sigmavirusAnd of our own security team the people who review content to that repo has dwindled as well17:18
knangiayes, we can reach out here easily ...since we have many ppl here sitting around working on different openstack projects17:18
sigmavirusmichaelxin: I think Intel sets OSIC's priorities17:18
hyakuheiTo some extent that's true17:18
sigmavirusWhich for security participation was syntribos last I heard17:18
hyakuheiHowever I expect that most of those bugs require input from the project teams.17:18
asettleMy point is, this needs to be addressed properly. I do believe the bugs should be moved out of the manuals repo and reported to you all directly. From there, we can work on best placement for the guide itself.17:18
asettlehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide17:18
hyakuheiI'm happy enough to move bugs over17:18
asettleThis is the proposal patch for moving the bugs:17:18
asettlehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/17:18
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hyakuheiProbably makes things simpler17:19
michaelxinsigmavirus: For security project, I work with Intel peer to setup our priority.17:19
asettleWe need one more security core (docs people have approved)17:19
unrahulmichaelxin: +117:19
sigmavirusmichaelxin: good to hear that17:19
vinaypotlurimichaelxin: +117:19
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sigmavirusI'm going by what I hear in the random one-off meetings but I think asettle has a good sense of what's going on with the docs team and this seems to be a joint OSSP+Docs team project17:19
michaelxinIf there is need for security doc, we might be able to get resource working on it.17:19
knangiamichaelxin: +117:20
unrahulOSIC security will be adding one more person to the group from Intel side .. so we have people to help out..17:20
unrahuljust need the structure on how we can help ..17:20
hyakuheiI've had customers reference the security guide back to me before17:20
unrahulasettle: michaelxin  ^17:20
sigmavirusunrahul: Are they a documentation person or just a random security person?17:20
asettlemichaelxin: that OSIC person would have to be security, not documentation. Just to clarify.17:20
hyakuheiMy understanding is that when it was in print and up to date it was the best selling tree-form openstack book at the time17:20
unrahulA new joinee not a documentation per se sigmavirus17:20
michaelxinIt is security.17:20
unrahulwe would have more bandwidth17:20
hyakuheiI think we know there's a need for it, it just turns out to be hard to maintain17:21
asettleYes, I don't wish to come across and bash and smash the idea - but we are not short of writers. We need someone with the bandwidth and security knowledge.17:21
knangiaunrahul: +117:21
michaelxinBut we can help with documentation17:21
unrahulmichaelxin: +117:21
knangiamichaelxin: +1 ..we can help with documentation17:21
sigmavirusknangia: unrahul the +1s are noisey and kind of useless at this point, please stop17:21
unrahulasettle:  I think that is where we can help.. as documentation is your forte17:21
hyakuheiI'm loving all the positivity :) It should be a very easy meeting at the PTG17:21
asettleOkay, just so I can ensure we are all on the same page - give me 5 seconds here people :)17:21
vinaypotlurimichaelxin: +1   yes we can all help with that17:21
asettle1. Happy to move bug reporting to the ossg launchpad, and out of docs.17:22
asettleI need a sec core please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/17:22
asettle2. The guide will be worked on by OSIC michaelxin to check in and report back17:22
hyakuhei1. done17:22
asettlemichaelxin: please include me in any emails you send off (osic or otherwise - ping me, and I can give you my RAX email)17:22
asettle3. I will move pre-exisiting bugs over to ossg for monitoring17:22
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asettle3. I will check in with analytics and report back on how highly viewed the sec-guide is and we can begin a discussion at the PTG on the home of hte guide17:23
hyakuheiWe have a sec-guide topic for the PTG session which has been productive in the past.17:23
asettle*nods* hyakuhei perfect. What day would that be on?17:23
hyakuheiWe're in teh first block17:23
asettlehyakuhei: damnit, same. Okay, well, we will sync up and coordinate further :) please drop me a line: a.settle@outlook.com (openstack email too many emails)17:23
hyakuheiWe haven't scheduled out what's happening when exactly yet but that will form up over the next week or so, we've got notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team17:24
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asettleAnd we can ensure we are on teh same page.17:24
asettlehyakuhei: great, I will add to that properly.17:24
asettleThanks for including it on your list :)17:24
sicarieunfortunately it's looking more and more like I'm not going to make it to the PTG17:24
hyakuheiSure thing17:24
asettleGreat :) thanks for your input everyone17:25
hyakuheiLike I said previously (and in our email) the big issue for us is that we need involvement (sporadic) from individual project teams17:25
asettlemichaelxin: ping me in a PM sec OSIC email things17:25
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hyakuheiWe need to work out how to drive that better17:25
asettlehyakuhei: yeah totally, it's hard. Perhaps we can work togehter further and you can utilise our doc-liaisons.17:25
hyakuheiMaybe look at making it part of the vulnerability managed tag that you have to help keep your sec-info up to date.17:25
hyakuheiasettle That sounds like a good first step17:25
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michaelxinasettle, will do it17:25
asettlehyakuhei: perfect. We're updating the list at the moment, actually. So I can get back to you after the list is finalised.17:25
asettlemichaelxin: thanks :)17:26
hyakuheiThat sounds good. We're thankful for the support asettle17:26
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asettleNo, thank YOU guys :)17:26
asettleAppreciate you all taking this on board!17:26
asettleWe need to find a good action plan :)17:26
lhindssorry, crash / reboot..back now17:27
hyakuheiPerfectly reasonable, letting it wither on the vine is not an option :)17:27
asettleAhhhhmennnnn17:27
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hyakuheiok, lets move the conversation to AOB, you can provide any important OSSN/Syntribos stuff there (2.5 minutes left)17:27
hyakuhei#topic Any other business17:27
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hyakuheiThanks again asettle17:27
lhindsOSSN,we only have one public now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/160649517:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1606495 in OpenStack Security Notes "copy_from in api v1 allows network port scan" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Travis McPeak (travis-mcpeak)17:27
lhindsif anyone thinks they can really do some magic with it, let me know and will reassign17:28
hyakuheiCool, I'm not sure tmcpeak has time to manage this atm17:28
lhindsif not i will pick it up17:28
lhindshyakuhei: yep thats fines17:28
hyakuheiI suggest posting on the bug asking as much, if he doesn't reply by Monday then cut it over to someone who's free I guess17:28
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lhindsits not a killer OSSN, so its ok to sit for awhile17:28
hyakuheiRighto17:28
unrahulsyntribos we have started looking into glance.. along with some improvements to the tool17:28
lhindshyakuhei: sounds good17:28
unrahulFor now we have stopped swift testing, thats it from us, unless I am missing something.. michaelxin  ?17:29
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michaelxinunrahul: you are right17:29
vinaypotluriunrahul: +117:29
hyakuheiExcellent, thanks for coming guys, remember to hang out in #openstack-security when you can.17:30
hyakuhei#endmeeting17:30
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