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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 13:02:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:02 |
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| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair toabctl IgorYozhikov jpena dirk number80 | 13:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena number80 toabctl | 13:03 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's spend a couple of minutes on agenda update - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:03 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:03 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:06 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's start | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ - cross distro diffs & how to resolve such cases(policykit, sudoers.d, etc; package folder ownership) | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ - cross distro diffs & how to resolve such cases(policykit, sudoers.d, etc; package folder ownership) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:08 | |
| IgorYozhikov | I saw comments left by toabctl but @ at 1st I want to talk about differences between RH & SUSE | 13:10 |
| toabctl | who added that topic? | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm | 13:10 |
| toabctl | ok :) | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | and after that discuss comments | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | a couple of days ago dirk wrote about diffs for policykit | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | because of errors raised in SUSE CI while nova packages were building | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm speaking about such errors | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] openstack-nova-cert-15.0.0.0~xbeta2-1.1.noarch.rpm: directories not owned by a package: | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /usr/com | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] openstack-nova-common-15.0.0.0~xbeta2-1.1.noarch.rpm: directories not owned by a package: | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /etc/polkit-1 | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /etc/polkit-1/localauthority | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /etc/polkit-1/rules.d | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /etc/sudoers.d | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | [ 2726s] - /usr/com | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, dirk could you please point me - how to solve this? | 13:14 |
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| * toabctl needs to look into the changeset... | 13:15 | |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov: I had some similar issues in the neutron review, and fixed it by adding the packages that own those directories as BuildRequires | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, could you point me on which line in PR is this? | 13:19 |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov, for example line 46 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/8/openstack/neutron/neutron.spec.j2 . The SUSE CI was complaining that I had no owner for /etc/sudoers.d, so I added sudo as BR | 13:20 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o i c | 13:20 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just want to understand - is it a hack || workaround. I mean, is this a valid way for resolving such cases in future? | 13:22 |
| jpena | good question, I think it's due to the way the SUSE CI checks for directories, but I'd let dirk or toabctl comment on that | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, agree here. Explanation of how-to do it in the right way will be awesome :) | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, do you have any comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ while toabctl is looking into CI ? | 13:25 |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov: nothing yet, I have to give it a good look | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm not sure that systemd.service needs to do something with DB as a pre-start stage. toabctl suggested to add db sync there | 13:27 |
| toabctl | and it is allowed to fail. see the minus | 13:27 |
| jpena | we don't add the db syncs in the service start, that's a task we leave for the deployment tool | 13:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, what decision we are going to make here, I'm about db syncs? | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | leave all configuration machinery to CM tools || add it with allowance of failure? | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | As for me, if suggested by toabctl approach wouldn't produce any harm - I'm fine with it | 13:36 |
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| jpena | we can give it a try. The only downside is a longer service startup time | 13:37 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | #agreed to use db syncs as pre-start stage in service unit files, starting with '-' before command, example: ExecStartPre=-/usr/bin/nova-manage db sync | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, any updates related to CI and folders ownership? | 13:40 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, no | 13:40 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: what do you mean | 13:41 |
| dirk | ? | 13:41 |
| * dirk is back from real life | 13:41 | |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, we are discussing folder ownership and diffs between distros | 13:42 |
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| IgorYozhikov | <<jpena>> IgorYozhikov, for example line 46 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/8/openstack/neutron/neutron.spec.j2 . The SUSE CI was complaining that I had no owner for /etc/sudoers.d, so I added sudo as BR | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | And we want to understand how to solve such cases in the right way | 13:43 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: there are two ways, a) add buildrequires to packages that would normally "own" the directory | 13:43 |
| dirk | or b) own the directories | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, so suggested by jpena approach is valid, right? | 13:44 |
| dirk | basically the idea is by policy we want each directory that exists on an installed customer end user system to be owned by at least one rpm, ideally exactly one | 13:44 |
| dirk | yeah, sudo buildrequires might work | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey :) | 13:44 |
| dirk | yep, it owns the dir | 13:44 |
| dirk | so yes, thats the proper fix then | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, let's move to the next topic then. | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll propose updates to nova soon | 13:45 |
| dirk | thanks! | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic neutron https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424085/ - finally pass CIs, review requried | 13:45 |
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| dirk | I know I took the action item of swift, its still on my todo somewhere | 13:45 |
| * dirk is just dead under the water right now | 13:45 | |
| IgorYozhikov | jpena, MOS CI finally built missed deps and neutron passed all CIs | 13:46 |
| jpena | nice! | 13:47 |
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| jpena | so please go ahead and review it now if you can | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | will do | 13:47 |
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| IgorYozhikov | also I want to ask other colleagues to do the same :) | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | good | 13:48 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic - PTG planning | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | author of ^^ topic, please proceed | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, toabctl do you know who suggested last topic? | 13:52 |
| dirk | do we have a room? | 13:52 |
| jpena | dunno | 13:52 |
| dirk | does anyone know? | 13:53 |
| toabctl | who will be there? dirk, number80 and me? | 13:53 |
| dirk | yes | 13:53 |
| toabctl | maybe number80 knows? | 13:53 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yes, he said a couple of words during previous meeting, but nothing special | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | so I think that we need to ping him about PTG | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll be able to join PTG session remotely it this will be possible | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/it/if/ | 13:56 |
| dirk | plase do | 13:58 |
| dirk | it would be good to have a room and so on | 13:58 |
| dirk | and I have not seen any updates on this so far | 13:58 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll try to talk to number80 | 13:59 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, thanx every1 4 attending | 14:00 |
| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 14:00:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-02-02-13.02.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-02-02-13.02.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-02-02-13.02.log.html | 14:00 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, thanks | 14:01 |
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| slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 14:04:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:04 |
| slashme | Hello everyone :) | 14:04 |
| dstepanenko | hi slashme | 14:04 |
| slashme | As usual, the meeting notes and agenda can be found here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:05 |
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| slashme | And it is actually empty. | 14:05 |
| slashme | So appart from discussing the incoming release | 14:06 |
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| slashme | We can discuss anything you like | 14:06 |
| slashme | #topic release | 14:07 |
| dstepanenko | I was looking through the list of bugs | 14:07 |
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| slashme | dstepanenko: yes ? | 14:07 |
| dstepanenko | there are several opened bugs with "high" priority | 14:08 |
| dstepanenko | and I wonder, why this change was abandoned https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370254 ? | 14:08 |
| dstepanenko | all the remaining issues are fixed in some way | 14:08 |
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| dstepanenko | this one is the only unfinished | 14:08 |
| dstepanenko | as far as I see | 14:09 |
| slashme | I'm not sure. | 14:09 |
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| slashme | We need to ask yangyapeng | 14:09 |
| dstepanenko | yep, I hoped he'll come today | 14:09 |
| dstepanenko | probably, it will happen a bit later :) | 14:09 |
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| dstepanenko | actually, I don't have any other topics to discuss | 14:12 |
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| slashme | Okay. | 14:12 |
| slashme | I will be releasing RC1 today. | 14:13 |
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| dstepanenko | sounds great | 14:13 |
| slashme | If we have a few last bug-fixes we want in, it would be nice to merge them quickly. | 14:13 |
| slashme | Appart from that, let's wait to see if the other join, otherwise, I'll close the meeting. | 14:14 |
| dstepanenko | sounds like a plan | 14:15 |
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| slashme | Well, I guess that's it | 14:44 |
| slashme | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 14:44:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-02-02-14.04.html | 14:44 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 15:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hello | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| Yogi1 | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | gouthamr might be a few minutes late -- he's interviewing a candidate atm | 15:01 |
| rhagarty | \o | 15:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | the target date for RC1 is today | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/ocata-rc1 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I count 17 open bugs on this list | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:03 |
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| vkmc | o/ hiii | 15:04 |
| bswartz | today I'm going to start retargetting bugs to pike | 15:04 |
| kaisers | hi | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | because while I'm okay with not doing RC1 today, it does need to get done in the next couple of days | 15:04 |
| bswartz | also a reminder | 15:05 |
| bswartz | PTG is in 2.5 weeks! | 15:05 |
| bswartz | keep adding topics to the etherpad | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:06 |
| bswartz | oops looks like an item was left off of this | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | fixed | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #topic Microversions | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Microversions (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | rhagarty you're up | 15:06 |
| rhagarty | ok... | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420119 | 15:07 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:07 |
| rhagarty | from manila_ui perspective, was hoping to just make single call to get min support based on installed client and service | 15:07 |
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| rhagarty | I think right now, the call to get microversion support is just a call to manila endpoint | 15:08 |
| bswartz | rhagarty: what are you not able to get from the current endpoint? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I'm unclear on what's missing | 15:09 |
| rhagarty | what if the installled client is older and doesn't provide support? | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | rhagarty: what is wrong with this -> https://github.com/openstack/python-manilaclient/blob/c0fdf827/manilaclient/api_versions.py#L30 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | how old? | 15:10 |
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| rhagarty | user has older client that doesn't support new feature added in 2.33, but endpoint service says we support 2.52. | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | rhagarty: you have versions range in client and get it from server | 15:10 |
| bswartz | anything so old that it doesn't speak microversions will be stuck with the v1 API anyways | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | rhagarty: don't see problem at all | 15:11 |
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| rhagarty | ok - let me take a look... | 15:11 |
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| * bswartz doesn't see a problem either | 15:12 | |
| rhagarty | and remember, I am talking from manila_ui perspective... goal would be not to show feature. Getting an error is not the best solution... | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I hope this is just a misunderstanding about the version API | 15:12 |
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| rhagarty | ok - thanks | 15:12 |
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| vponomaryov | rhagarty: it is question of manila UI behaviour in using of existing client functionality | 15:13 |
| bswartz | rhagarty: I completely agree -- the UI must be capable of greying out or hiding functionality from the user if it's not going to work | 15:13 |
| tbarron | rhagarty: do you want conditional behavior in the UI depending on max microversion supported in the python-manilaclient? | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | letting the user try something which will always fail is a dumb user experience | 15:13 |
| dustins | and infuriating to the user | 15:14 |
| rhagarty | tbarron: yes | 15:14 |
| tbarron | so we have UI that supports share groups but client that does not for example | 15:14 |
| bswartz | what?!?! | 15:14 |
| tbarron | customer has | 15:14 |
| ganso | tbarron: the client has to support first | 15:14 |
| ganso | tbarron: manila-UI uses client, does not make rest calls directly | 15:14 |
| bswartz | that particular case should be prevented using proper requirements | 15:14 |
| bswartz | the UI should simply have a dependency on the client version that supports what it needs | 15:15 |
| tbarron | I'm just trying to get the problem or perceived problem exposed clearly. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | it would be idiotic to allow the UI to run with a too-old client version | 15:15 |
| rhagarty | bswartz: how is that prevented? | 15:15 |
| ganso | bswartz: like, older than the UI itself? | 15:15 |
| tbarron | rhagarty: correct if that's the wrong idea | 15:15 |
| bswartz | rhagarty: requirements.txt | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | yeah, but the requirements need a fix then.. https://github.com/openstack/manila-ui/blob/master/requirements.txt#L14 | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | rhagarty: also strange to hear "too old" when whole openstack has "requirements.txt" file describing all dependencies | 15:16 |
| bswartz | everyone understands that packages depend on minimum versions of other packages | 15:16 |
| bswartz | if you can't satisfy those dependencies then you can't use the package | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | we say anything greater than 1.12.0 is acceptable.. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | it's not like these things are installed on different machines -- it's all local | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | which is weird.. | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | we've upper constraints for releases, but not milestones when features get in | 15:16 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: +1 | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: why? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the fix is to bump up he minimum client version | 15:17 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: while lib keeps being backwards compatible why it is weird? | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | I can't think of ANY good reason to use an old client version with a new UI version | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: own fork? | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | what fork? | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | of client | 15:18 |
| bswartz | who cares about forks | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | downstream fork of upstream client | 15:18 |
| toabctl | then it's the problem of the people who did the fork | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: the lib being the manilaclient? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | toabctl: +9000 | 15:18 |
| tbarron | they forked themselves | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; you said "think", I mentioned one of possible | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I said good reason | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | ok ) | 15:19 |
| bswartz | people who fork code are on their own | 15:19 |
| bswartz | typically forks are done by smart people, such as downstream package maintainers | 15:19 |
| toabctl | manila-ui/ocata should simply require manilaclient/ocata | 15:19 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:19 |
| toabctl | which is done via g-r | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I completely agree | 15:20 |
| tbarron | that seems right | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | that is why I don't see any reason in proposed feature of UI project such as "support range of microversions at once" | 15:20 |
| bswartz | so my stance here is that manila-ui should be able to depend on a completely modern version of manilaclient -- there should never be a version mismatch between those | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | however manila-ui should be prepared to deal with possibly older or newer versions of the server | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: server should be of the same release | 15:21 |
| bswartz | microversions exist to help with compabitility between client version and server versions | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | not between application versions and client versions | 15:21 |
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| rhagarty | bswartz: agreed | 15:22 |
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| gouthamr | okay, so we need to bump the requirements file for ocata.. i.e, release python-manilaclient 1.x and require >=1.x | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: on most cases yes, but we added microversions to cover the small set of cases where that's not true | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: +1 | 15:22 |
| bswartz | okay can we move on? | 15:22 |
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| rhagarty | bswartz: yes, thanks | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | #topic Share groups bugs | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | so in the conversion from consistency groups to share groups, some functionality was lost | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | and some existing bugs were discovered too | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and there are some bugs in the core of share groups, but according to vponomaryov those are waiting for review | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: others are being postponed to be fixed in Pike... | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1660321 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660321 in Manila "share-group-snapshot-create is not passing share as part of snapshot" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1660319 | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1659023 | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1661266 | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1661268 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660319 in Manila "share continues to be member of group after migration" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rodrigo Barbieri (rodrigo-barbieri2010) | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1659023 in Manila "Consistent Snapshots are broken in the NetApp cDOT driver" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Ben Swartzlander (bswartz) | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661266 in Manila "Share group types have no public extra specs" [Undecided,New] | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661268 in Manila "consistent_snapshots group extra spec should allow "pool" and "host" consistency" [Undecided,New] | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | ouch | 15:24 |
| bswartz | sorry for paste storm | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | the bugs hurt more :P | 15:24 |
| bswartz | anyways I'm concerned about the problems users may have upgrading from newton to ocata, and from ocata to pike | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | first two ready to review/merge | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | I think we should consider disabling share group APIs for the ocata release, and turning them on in pike | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | It has been experimental feature | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | why it should be disabled? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | our main objective (my main objective at least) was to remove the experimental cgroup APIs which we've known needed to be removed for a long time, and that's done | 15:26 |
| tbarron | I certainly don't want to be handling escalated customer calls on this stuff. | 15:26 |
| tbarron | We aren't testing it downstream end-to-end. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | Yet. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | mainly I want to make sure our messaging is clear about what is usable and what should be avoided | 15:27 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: I think it is better to be disabled than to explain erroneous behaviors to customers | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | tbaron: disable it in your deployments, what is the problem then? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I don't want to remove the code -- it's good code and we should build on it | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | but I'm proposing turning it dark for just this release, since we have no time to resolve remaining issues | 15:27 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: alternatively we could disable it through policy.json upstream, and people who wanted to experiment with it could re-enable it | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | disable how? make 'em unroutable? or set the policy so deployers/users can enable at their own risk? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: maybe, but we want to minimize differences between upstream and downstream. | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: policy.json is configuration file | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | i am concerned about the share-group id being in the shares model | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: I am not talking about soruce code change | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | and us disabling APIs | 15:29 |
| bswartz | mainly I don't want people thinking that they're going to have smooth sailing if they're using cgroups on newton and they upgrade | 15:29 |
| ganso | gouthamr: maybe we should have a microversion bump for this | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I would rather have them wait and upgrade to pike | 15:29 |
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| ganso | bswartz: if they do that, they'll miss all other ocata features | 15:29 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: that's another bug we need to file and fix | 15:29 |
| bswartz | ganso: only customers who actually use and care about cgroups | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | the only driver that supported consistency groups (CG snapshots) was cDOT/NetApp | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | ganso: hopefully that set of customers is the empty set, but we can't be sure | 15:30 |
| ganso | gouthamr, bswartz: we got multi-vendor clouds out there, and we can't have 2 versions of manila on a cloud | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | are there any technical issues with disabling the APIs through policy.json? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: I'm not sure what your point is | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: if some cloud is already using CGs, then it is highly unlikely to upgrade to ocata | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | ganso: and what do you propose we do to fix that? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: I'm saying that we have no good options here | 15:33 |
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| gouthamr | +1 disable, but can we have an ML post to dev/operators please? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | either people give up on cgroups for 1 release or they stay behind or they have unfixed bugs to face | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | -1 for disable | 15:33 |
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| ganso | bswartz: yea we don't have... existing shares in CGs will still exist, and even though they cannot be deleted or new ones created, they must remain usuable | 15:34 |
| ganso | bswartz: s/usuable/usable | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | experimental feature + easy to disable manually | 15:34 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what is your proposal to prevent issues around consistency groups? | 15:34 |
| tbarron | easy to enable manually | 15:34 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: we're not doing enough to protect users from the pitfalls of these "experimental" features | 15:34 |
| ganso | +1 disable | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: issues exist in every feature, disable anything that is not going to be used in prod | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I woudl do so | 15:35 |
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| * gouthamr remembers someone mentioning "Bob in IT sets the experimental flag in the API request and boom" | 15:35 | |
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| bswartz | my feeling is that experimental features are features we believe are usable but reserve the right to change based on user feedback | 15:36 |
| bswartz | features that are under development and not ready to use at release time should be turned dark | 15:36 |
| markstur | +1 disable | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: experimental means "no guarantee" | 15:36 |
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| markstur | My biggest concern would be for customers that were using CGs. I don't have any of those. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: there's never a guarantee, even on supported features | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | markstur: not sure if we have any, but that's no excuse. :) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | Apache license specifically states NO WARANTEE | 15:37 |
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| gouthamr | :( whoa. bad precedents here | 15:38 |
| bswartz | however we owe it to our users to communicate what we think is good and what we think needs more work | 15:38 |
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| markstur | gouthamr: right but that path to share groups via bug fixes vs skipping a release might be a better call for someone with a CG impl | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: and remember feedback from last summit -> "It is experimental? No thanks, we will wait until it becomes stable" | 15:39 |
| tbarron | until the API is stable is different than until it works | 15:39 |
| ganso | markstur: maybe some fixes we can backport, and then users could turn the feature on manually, once their bugfix has been backported | 15:39 |
| bswartz | anyone else against disabling? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ganso: I like that idea but I suspect the needed bugfixes will involve database migrations | 15:39 |
| markstur | so we could backport a disable of the disabling too? | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ganso: these fixes affect the database.. | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ganso: as far as i see.. | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | naw man.. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | markstur that would piss of distros | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | piss off* | 15:40 |
| tbarron | CGs are a safety feature, ensuring data integrity. I wouldn't use them till they are solid. | 15:40 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: can't these remaining bugs be fixed and backported? | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz, gouthamr: yes, but what if we have some of them fixed now with db migrations? but this is likely riskier | 15:40 |
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| markstur | did someone say distros shmistros? wasn't me. love distros | 15:40 |
| bswartz | xyang2: as I said, yes, unless they involve database migrations or anything that looks like a new feature | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | ganso: we'll still review and fix them.. | 15:41 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: yes, review, but likely not test enough | 15:41 |
| markstur | but it sounds like we're stuck w/o a share groups that is ready to release | 15:41 |
| bswartz | is anything likely to break if we change policy.json to disable the APIs? | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | ganso: sadly | 15:42 |
| bswartz | we have another agenda item I want to get to | 15:42 |
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| xyang2 | gouthamr: NetApp CI actually passed on the groups functional tests. Are those not working? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | xyang2: we never ran them | 15:43 |
| xyang2 | gouthamr: I saw them in the logs | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: )) | 15:43 |
| ganso | gouthamr: :O | 15:43 |
| xyang2 | gouthamr: http://dcf901611175aa43f968-c54047c910227e27e1d6f03bb1796fd7.r95.cf5.rackcdn.com/64/355264/26/check/manila-cDOT-ss/75f34c0/console.txt | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: i think netapp driver uses default approach as all other drivers do | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | xyang2: ah.. sorry, i meant we didn't run any "CG" tests | 15:44 |
| xyang2 | gouthamr: ok | 15:44 |
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| * tbarron logs for future discussion: lots of big changes merging at FF, not enough time to test end-to-end and review. | 15:44 | |
| * gouthamr +100 | 15:45 | |
| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: big features are being tested for years | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | #topic LVM revert to snapshot | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: and constantly improving | 15:45 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: yes, we are getting better | 15:45 |
| bswartz | this came up yesterday in the channel with ganso | 15:45 |
| bswartz | there's a bug in LVM's revert to snapshot support | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | I attempted to fix it and noticed that the nfs helper code is gross | 15:46 |
| bswartz | wait let me step back | 15:46 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: here is another example, I +2ed revert to snapshot and didn't catch this bug. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: we won't catch them all of course | 15:47 |
| bswartz | more background: the bug in LVM is that the share must be temporarily exported in order for the unmount to proceed so we can revert the LV | 15:47 |
| bswartz | s/exported/unexported/ | 15:47 |
| ganso | bswartz: else it gets stuck in lv merge state... were you able to unstuck it? | 15:47 |
| * ganso wonders if "unstuck" is a real word | 15:48 | |
| bswartz | at the very least the driver interface needs the manager to pass down all the access rules for that share so it can safely unexport/re-export the share | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | ganso: unstucking it isn't the issue -- it should never have gotten to that stage | 15:48 |
| bswartz | anyways I want to clean up the nfs helper code and fix this bug at the same time | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but that would be a reltively large change this late in the release | 15:49 |
| ganso | bswartz: if it is not possible to unstuck and recover the data, it makes the issue level increase to critical... I wasn't able to recover data | 15:49 |
| bswartz | my proposal here is to remove the revert_to_snapshot_support flag from LVM | 15:49 |
| bswartz | and fix this in pike | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | revert feature is not experimental, right? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | the downside is that it leaves us with a test coverage hole for the new feature we merged | 15:50 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: correct | 15:50 |
| bswartz | the only drivers that would support the feature in ocata would be netapp and hnas (I think) | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | then yes, either disable or fix | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | personally that doesn't bother me, as we will fix the bug in pike and have first party driver support again | 15:51 |
| bswartz | but there's a risk of backports to ocata breaking the revert feature (a very small risk) | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | and the only way we would catch those is through 3rd party CI | 15:51 |
| tbarron | do we set a bad precedent/incentives? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I don't think so | 15:52 |
| bswartz | the requirement that we have first party driver support for the feature wasn't really violated, it was just too buggy to release | 15:52 |
| tbarron | well, I can get a feature in despite not having reliable first party test/success for it. | 15:53 |
| tbarron | feature velocity vs stability | 15:53 |
| bswartz | tbarron: what remedy would you prefer? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | fix the LVM driver even if it's gross? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | disable the feature entirely? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | agree we don't have any great alternatives now ... | 15:54 |
| ganso | bswartz: I'd prefer fix even if it is gross, backport the good fix asap | 15:54 |
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| * tbarron and again, I was part of moviing this one through feature freeze, am not casting stones. | 15:54 | |
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| bswartz | I'm okay with the gross fix approach, but I wanted to warn you guys bout it | 15:55 |
| bswartz | about* it | 15:55 |
| ganso | bswartz: even though my argument against share groups was that we could not test enough, I am in for fixing now, reviewing it, testing it (it is small) and shipping in ocata | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay I'll continue work on this | 15:55 |
| bswartz | we're gonna skip the PTG topic today due to lack of time | 15:55 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:56 | |
| bswartz | anything else critical for today? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | regarding the 17 open bugs, please get those fixes merged asap | 15:56 |
| bswartz | bugs without fixes will get retargeted today unless I hear from the owner | 15:56 |
| bswartz | and owners of bugs with fixes not ready to merge will be hearing from me | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | okay it looks like we're done | 15:58 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 15:58:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | o\ | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-02-02-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-02-02-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-02-02-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| sigmavirus | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 17:01:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Secu..... | 17:01 |
| unrahul | 0/ | 17:01 |
| openstack | hyakuhei: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | nvm | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus | heh | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks sigmavirus | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus | #chair hyakuhei | 17:02 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei sigmavirus | 17:02 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sigmavirus | yw hyakuhei | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sigmavirus | \o | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:02 |
| sigmavirus | Congratulations to our (returning) PTL :) | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
| lhinds | +1 | 17:02 |
| * hyakuhei waves | 17:02 | |
| unrahul | :) | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks y'all | 17:02 |
| knangia | :) | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Only 5 projects were contested I think, the rest had single-candidates | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Democracy in action.... | 17:03 |
| browne | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | However, thanks for the support :) | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | sup browne | 17:03 |
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| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: i think you meant "Democracy inaction" | 17:03 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | heh. | 17:03 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | ok, 30 minute meeting so lets crack on - welcome mdong vinaypotluri michaelxin et al. | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | We can skip the PTL bit | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #link PTG | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Sigh | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #topic PTG | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:04 | |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Reminder to update this if you are coming and either way please add to the topics list. | 17:05 |
| * mhayden stumbles in late | 17:05 | |
| hyakuhei | sup mhayden | 17:05 |
| lhinds | hey mhayden | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | hi mhayden | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Just poking people to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team with ideas for security topics for hte PTG | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | and if they're attending | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | at least we have some people attending | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | Thanks | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah a couple yet to confirm, I think lhinds is a no-go, is that correct? | 17:06 |
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| lhinds | sadly yes, but will be going to future PTGs | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | Major is going. Woho | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | whoop! | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Anything more on the PTG? | 17:07 |
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| browne | i'll be there | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | browne: +1 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent :) | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Should I add you to the etherpad? | 17:08 |
| browne | oh i'll add myself | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, lets roll on then | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security Docs | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Security Docs (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:08 | |
| hyakuhei | Do we have a sicarie today? | 17:09 |
| * sicarie waves | 17:09 | |
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| hyakuhei | Hey, have you caught up on your email from the docs ptl ? | 17:09 |
| sicarie | yes | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Want to update here? | 17:09 |
| sicarie | sure | 17:09 |
| sicarie | So contributions to the sec-guide have slowed, and the docs team is looking for ways to keep that content fresh | 17:09 |
| sicarie | The first move is to change where bugs are reported: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/ | 17:09 |
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| sicarie | and the eventual migration would be to move the sec-guide to where the rest of the specialty guides reside | 17:10 |
| sicarie | As the docs team could then better curate and encourage contributions from the pool of those who contribute to docs | 17:10 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei: did I miss anything? | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | We need to sync on this at the PTG because it felt to me more like they wanted to remove the security guide from docs.o.o rather than drum up support | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I'm yet to see how any description of how moving the content from one repo to another will improve contribution | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | why do them want to remove security guide? | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | It is low on contribution and falling behind projects | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | I pointed out in email that's because we need contributions _from_ these projects. However I do think we could do a lot more to chase these projects and orchestrate the updates | 17:12 |
| sicarie | for example: i've been pinging neutron resources for about the last year, and we have no meaningful contributions to that area in that time | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: ping | 17:12 |
| sicarie | so much so that I am now doing a code review of neutron on my own to look at what hte current state is | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | As before, we'll have a meeting about this at the PTG, but as we likely only have one more meeting before the PTG I wanted people to start thinking about it | 17:12 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | gee | 17:13 |
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| asettle | sigmavirus: wassup | 17:13 |
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| asettle | Worried Iw asn't attending your 3rd meeting for the day? | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | lol | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | Is there anything that OSIC can help? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | hi asettle we're talking about the security docs | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin possible | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: do the docs team want to remove the security content from docs.o.o? | 17:13 |
| asettle | Oh no this is legit | 17:13 |
| asettle | Hahahah | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | In OSIC here, we seem to have people working on different projects | 17:13 |
| asettle | let me read it up | 17:13 |
| asettle | One second | 17:13 |
| sigmavirus | heh | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | lots of core members | 17:14 |
| asettle | *back scroll time* | 17:14 |
| mhayden | FWIW, we could add some docs in there more focused around host machine / base host security | 17:14 |
| unrahul | osic has a docs member ianeta who we worked closely for some syntribos stuff | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Interesting unrahul I didn't know that :) That would be useful but fundamentally we have an engagement problem. Swift seem to be pretty good but I can't think of other good examples | 17:14 |
| asettle | Hey! So :) I can speak to a few of the concerns and questions above. | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | unrahul: +1 | 17:15 |
| asettle | My proposal was just that, a proposal. With obviously no backing to it. | 17:15 |
| unrahul | we could take some ownership and helpout in any way.. we are sitting with around 80 ppl working on all kinds of openstack stuff | 17:15 |
| asettle | My point was: we don't want to 'dump and run' but we want to find a better place for people to be looking at this guide. | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: We can defintely help for engagement | 17:15 |
| knangia | unrahul: +1 | 17:15 |
| asettle | So, when you say hyakuhei that "I'm yet to see how any description of how moving the content from one repo to another will improve contribution" | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | Before we do any security testing, we always engage with some core members of the projects. | 17:15 |
| asettle | I agree with you, but that's simply because we're getting nothing in the manuals repo. | 17:15 |
| sigmavirus | asettle++ | 17:16 |
| asettle | At the moment, it's turning into tech debt for our team. We are dwindling, and fast, and we cannot keep up with all the guides we have. | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | unrahul has been talking with them quite a lots. | 17:16 |
| knangia | michaelxin: +1 | 17:16 |
| asettle | I would like to look into, further, where people go for their security content. Manuals, or the sec repo (what has the most hits based on analytics) | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | michaelxin: that doesn't translate to security-doc activity | 17:16 |
| asettle | That, to me, would determine where the guide should live. | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | Most project core teams are already swamped with enough | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | At least we can start the conversation and use the relationship | 17:16 |
| asettle | unrahul: Ianeta will be working with me (I am also OSIC and docs PTL) on HA guide engagement. | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | If needed, we can contribute one full time doc guy | 17:17 |
| unrahul | michaelxin: +1 true.. we can reach out more easily I guess.. | 17:17 |
| asettle | michaelxin: problem is, you have already dedicated one full time 'doc guy' and we are in this situation. | 17:17 |
| asettle | Nathaniel is swamped. | 17:17 |
| unrahul | asettle: yup I know :).. she is sitting next to me.. so said | 17:17 |
| asettle | There are 28 bugs alone reported for the sec guide. | 17:17 |
| asettle | That is the highest count for any individual guide. | 17:17 |
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| michaelxin | So, our top priority is to work on 28 current bugs | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus | And of our own security team the people who review content to that repo has dwindled as well | 17:18 |
| knangia | yes, we can reach out here easily ...since we have many ppl here sitting around working on different openstack projects | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus | michaelxin: I think Intel sets OSIC's priorities | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | To some extent that's true | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus | Which for security participation was syntribos last I heard | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | However I expect that most of those bugs require input from the project teams. | 17:18 |
| asettle | My point is, this needs to be addressed properly. I do believe the bugs should be moved out of the manuals repo and reported to you all directly. From there, we can work on best placement for the guide itself. | 17:18 |
| asettle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I'm happy enough to move bugs over | 17:18 |
| asettle | This is the proposal patch for moving the bugs: | 17:18 |
| asettle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/ | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | Probably makes things simpler | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | sigmavirus: For security project, I work with Intel peer to setup our priority. | 17:19 |
| asettle | We need one more security core (docs people have approved) | 17:19 |
| unrahul | michaelxin: +1 | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus | michaelxin: good to hear that | 17:19 |
| vinaypotluri | michaelxin: +1 | 17:19 |
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| sigmavirus | I'm going by what I hear in the random one-off meetings but I think asettle has a good sense of what's going on with the docs team and this seems to be a joint OSSP+Docs team project | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | If there is need for security doc, we might be able to get resource working on it. | 17:19 |
| knangia | michaelxin: +1 | 17:20 |
| unrahul | OSIC security will be adding one more person to the group from Intel side .. so we have people to help out.. | 17:20 |
| unrahul | just need the structure on how we can help .. | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I've had customers reference the security guide back to me before | 17:20 |
| unrahul | asettle: michaelxin ^ | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus | unrahul: Are they a documentation person or just a random security person? | 17:20 |
| asettle | michaelxin: that OSIC person would have to be security, not documentation. Just to clarify. | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | My understanding is that when it was in print and up to date it was the best selling tree-form openstack book at the time | 17:20 |
| unrahul | A new joinee not a documentation per se sigmavirus | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | It is security. | 17:20 |
| unrahul | we would have more bandwidth | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | I think we know there's a need for it, it just turns out to be hard to maintain | 17:21 |
| asettle | Yes, I don't wish to come across and bash and smash the idea - but we are not short of writers. We need someone with the bandwidth and security knowledge. | 17:21 |
| knangia | unrahul: +1 | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | But we can help with documentation | 17:21 |
| unrahul | michaelxin: +1 | 17:21 |
| knangia | michaelxin: +1 ..we can help with documentation | 17:21 |
| sigmavirus | knangia: unrahul the +1s are noisey and kind of useless at this point, please stop | 17:21 |
| unrahul | asettle: I think that is where we can help.. as documentation is your forte | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | I'm loving all the positivity :) It should be a very easy meeting at the PTG | 17:21 |
| asettle | Okay, just so I can ensure we are all on the same page - give me 5 seconds here people :) | 17:21 |
| vinaypotluri | michaelxin: +1 yes we can all help with that | 17:21 |
| asettle | 1. Happy to move bug reporting to the ossg launchpad, and out of docs. | 17:22 |
| asettle | I need a sec core please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/ | 17:22 |
| asettle | 2. The guide will be worked on by OSIC michaelxin to check in and report back | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | 1. done | 17:22 |
| asettle | michaelxin: please include me in any emails you send off (osic or otherwise - ping me, and I can give you my RAX email) | 17:22 |
| asettle | 3. I will move pre-exisiting bugs over to ossg for monitoring | 17:22 |
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| asettle | 3. I will check in with analytics and report back on how highly viewed the sec-guide is and we can begin a discussion at the PTG on the home of hte guide | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | We have a sec-guide topic for the PTG session which has been productive in the past. | 17:23 |
| asettle | *nods* hyakuhei perfect. What day would that be on? | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | We're in teh first block | 17:23 |
| asettle | hyakuhei: damnit, same. Okay, well, we will sync up and coordinate further :) please drop me a line: a.settle@outlook.com (openstack email too many emails) | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | We haven't scheduled out what's happening when exactly yet but that will form up over the next week or so, we've got notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team | 17:24 |
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| asettle | And we can ensure we are on teh same page. | 17:24 |
| asettle | hyakuhei: great, I will add to that properly. | 17:24 |
| asettle | Thanks for including it on your list :) | 17:24 |
| sicarie | unfortunately it's looking more and more like I'm not going to make it to the PTG | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Sure thing | 17:24 |
| asettle | Great :) thanks for your input everyone | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Like I said previously (and in our email) the big issue for us is that we need involvement (sporadic) from individual project teams | 17:25 |
| asettle | michaelxin: ping me in a PM sec OSIC email things | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | We need to work out how to drive that better | 17:25 |
| asettle | hyakuhei: yeah totally, it's hard. Perhaps we can work togehter further and you can utilise our doc-liaisons. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe look at making it part of the vulnerability managed tag that you have to help keep your sec-info up to date. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | asettle That sounds like a good first step | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | asettle, will do it | 17:25 |
| asettle | hyakuhei: perfect. We're updating the list at the moment, actually. So I can get back to you after the list is finalised. | 17:25 |
| asettle | michaelxin: thanks :) | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | That sounds good. We're thankful for the support asettle | 17:26 |
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| asettle | No, thank YOU guys :) | 17:26 |
| asettle | Appreciate you all taking this on board! | 17:26 |
| asettle | We need to find a good action plan :) | 17:26 |
| lhinds | sorry, crash / reboot..back now | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Perfectly reasonable, letting it wither on the vine is not an option :) | 17:27 |
| asettle | Ahhhhmennnnn | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, lets move the conversation to AOB, you can provide any important OSSN/Syntribos stuff there (2.5 minutes left) | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks again asettle | 17:27 |
| lhinds | OSSN,we only have one public now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1606495 | 17:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1606495 in OpenStack Security Notes "copy_from in api v1 allows network port scan" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Travis McPeak (travis-mcpeak) | 17:27 |
| lhinds | if anyone thinks they can really do some magic with it, let me know and will reassign | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, I'm not sure tmcpeak has time to manage this atm | 17:28 |
| lhinds | if not i will pick it up | 17:28 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: yep thats fines | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | I suggest posting on the bug asking as much, if he doesn't reply by Monday then cut it over to someone who's free I guess | 17:28 |
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| lhinds | its not a killer OSSN, so its ok to sit for awhile | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Righto | 17:28 |
| unrahul | syntribos we have started looking into glance.. along with some improvements to the tool | 17:28 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: sounds good | 17:28 |
| unrahul | For now we have stopped swift testing, thats it from us, unless I am missing something.. michaelxin ? | 17:29 |
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| michaelxin | unrahul: you are right | 17:29 |
| vinaypotluri | unrahul: +1 | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent, thanks for coming guys, remember to hang out in #openstack-security when you can. | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 17:30:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-02-02-17.01.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-02-02-17.01.txt | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-02-02-17.01.log.html | 17:30 |
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