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tonyb#startmeeting requirements09:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 09:59:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)"09:59
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'requirements'10:00
tonybOh phooey 4seconds early10:00
prometheanfirefor shame10:00
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tonybsigmavirus,  number80, coolsvap, toabctl10:00
tonybsigmavirus,  number80, coolsvap, toabctl: ping10:00
tonyb#topic rollcall10:01
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tonybI'm pretty sure dirk is on leave this week so we don't have him10:01
tonybanyone else?10:01
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tonyb#topic Any controversies in the Queue?10:04
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tonybWell the queue is a bit of a mess after PBR, pyparsing and oslo10:04
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tonybbut I think it's coming good10:05
prometheanfireyep10:05
prometheanfirenot exactly a contraversy10:05
tonybYeah10:05
tonybThe things that are becoming challenging are eventlet and webob10:05
tonybno one is driving them so they're just stagnating10:06
prometheanfiretrue10:06
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prometheanfirecome monday should we just do eventlet?10:06
prometheanfirethat was the first one we were targeting right?10:06
tonybprometheanfire: we can't10:06
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tonybwe have known issues in $projects and the fixes aren;t merging10:07
tonybsame for webob10:07
prometheanfireah, right, the deps10:07
tonybYeah10:07
prometheanfireya, that'd need to happen first10:07
prometheanfireI'm good at badgering people into submission10:08
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prometheanfirewill see what I can do maybe10:08
tonybI'll post to the mailing list10:08
prometheanfirek10:08
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tonybI'd like to find an ownr for each of them10:09
tonybif they're not in by M2 then they're not going in IMO10:10
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prometheanfireya10:10
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tonybnext is kombu/amqp10:11
tonybwe just laned kombu4 but it breaks windows10:11
tonybthere is a review up10:11
tonybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/44303210:11
tonybbut it needs work to be mergeable10:12
prometheanfirek10:12
prometheanfireya, it hard caps10:12
tonybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/443032/310:13
tonybfixed10:13
prometheanfirehttps://launchpad.net/openstack/+milestone/pike-2 is june 5 btw10:13
tonybprometheanfire: Yeah sounds about right10:14
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tonybOnce that has a +1 from claudiub can you shepard it?10:15
prometheanfiresure10:15
tonybprometheanfire: Thanks10:16
tonyb#topic How to we crypto10:17
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tonybprometheanfire: what's the haps with pycrypto vs pycryptome and possibly pyca/cryptography ?10:17
prometheanfireI haven't looked yet, but I suspect there are still projects out there using pycrypto10:17
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prometheanfiresince upstream is dead now, they need to move to preferably cryptography, but at least to pycryptome10:18
prometheanfirepycrypto already had one hard to backport cve10:18
prometheanfirein january10:18
tonybprometheanfire: is the switch from pycrypto -> pycryptome trivial?10:19
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prometheanfireI think so10:19
tonybthey exist in thr same namespace right? are they mostly API compatible?10:19
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prometheanfireboth?10:20
prometheanfirepycryptome is kinda odd10:20
tonyband we're capping pysaml2 because it has to stay compatible with pycrypto but pycryptome works with pysaml2>=4 ?10:21
prometheanfirepycryptodomex is an alt install method10:22
prometheanfirea drop-in replacement for the old PyCrypto library. You install it with:10:23
prometheanfirepip install pycryptodome10:23
prometheanfirea library independent of the old PyCrypto. You install it with:10:23
prometheanfirepip install pycryptodomex10:23
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prometheanfirehttps://github.com/Legrandin/pycryptodome10:23
prometheanfirejust something to read up on for next week10:23
prometheanfirenext?10:24
tonybYeah the transition is going to be a massive PITA10:24
tonybbecause it's all or nothing and I don't know how to ensure that10:25
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prometheanfireyep10:25
prometheanfirepycrypto's dead, long live pycrypto10:25
prometheanfireor10:26
prometheanfirejust move to cryptography10:26
tonybprometheanfire: Sure but how do we *do* the switch from pycrypto to pycryptome10:26
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prometheanfirethat, I'm not sure10:27
tonybprometheanfire: how do we ensure atmonically that 14 repos switch10:27
prometheanfiresomething for the list maybe10:27
tonybprometheanfire: Yeah that's the thing I'm worried about ... if they're API compatible then Meh it's the switch that's hard10:28
prometheanfireit doesn't have to be atomic if they are switching to cryptography10:28
prometheanfiredoes if switching to pycryptome10:28
tonybprometheanfire: Sure but that's a *much* bigger change10:28
prometheanfireyep10:28
prometheanfireI'm aware10:28
prometheanfireguess I'll send out that email10:28
tonybI guess I'll poke the PTLs of the affected projects10:29
tonybsee if it's on the TODO list10:29
tonybI had great plans of helping with that kinda of work but we don10:29
tonybt have as many people willing to do that as I'd hoped for10:29
tonybunny barbican uses both ;P10:30
prometheanfirewat10:30
tonybYeah10:30
prometheanfiremaybe they are switching?10:30
tonybprometheanfire: more like they use it for differnt things10:31
prometheanfireya10:31
prometheanfireso, have my todo list10:32
tonybok10:32
prometheanfirego to bed now? :D10:32
tonybYeah10:32
tonybThanks10:32
tonyb#enmeeting10:32
prometheanfireheh, np10:32
tonyb#endmeeting10:33
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 14:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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devkulkarnihi zhurong14:01
zhuronghi devkulkarni14:01
devkulkarniI just started our meeting14:01
devkulkarnihere is the agenda14:01
devkulkarnihttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2017-03-08_1400_UTC14:01
devkulkarnilets wait to see if caowei or vijendar or others join today14:02
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devkulkarnialright, lets start14:05
zhurongseems they missing today meeting14:05
devkulkarniright14:05
devkulkarniwe can go over the agenda items and discuss14:05
devkulkarni#topic Discussion14:06
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devkulkarniSo I wanted touch base about some recent emails on the dev mailing list14:06
devkulkarni1) Devstack to make glance version 2 as default14:06
devkulkarnihttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113314.html14:07
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devkulkarniwe are using glance version 1 in some places https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/contrib/lp-cedarish/docker/build-app#L5514:08
zhurongseems not affect us too much14:08
devkulkarnihttps://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/contrib/lp-cedarish/docker/build-lp#L3114:08
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devkulkarnithese are the two places where we explicitly depend on glance version 114:09
devkulkarniIn the email they have mentioned how to enable glance version 1 by setting some config variable14:09
zhurongyep, we just enable v1 in the settings14:10
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devkulkarniright14:10
devkulkarnialthough, the recommended approach is to convert to using glance v214:10
devkulkarnilet me create a bug to track this work14:11
zhurongcool14:11
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devkulkarnihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/167111514:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671115 in Solum "glance-v1-to-v2" [Undecided,New]14:13
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devkulkarniwe can check with pt_15 if she wants to take up that14:13
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devkulkarniso the second thing was about Tempest making Keystone v3 as default14:14
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devkulkarnihttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113487.html14:14
zhurongagree14:14
devkulkarnizhurong: it will also be a good idea to check if someone from your org/team wants to take up the glance bug. It is small enough and provides a easy way to get started with solum14:15
devkulkarni*reading back on the tempest email*14:16
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zhurongIf no one fix this, I will take over this14:17
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devkulkarnizhurong: looks like devstack is going to change keystone version to v3 for tempest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441531/14:18
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devkulkarniyour v3 patch is important14:18
devkulkarnihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/439427/14:18
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devkulkarniI am just waiting on caowei to give a +1 on it14:19
devkulkarniif you see him, can you ping me about it14:19
devkulkarnithen we can merge your patch14:19
zhurongwe can wait for the tempest v3 patch merged, and check our gate14:19
devkulkarnigood point.. I was wondering if there is anything on our server side that we need to change to enable keystone v3 support?14:20
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zhurongI think there should have some change to enable keystone v3 in server side14:22
devkulkarniI see. Looks like we might need some investigation to figure out what the server-side changes would be.14:22
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devkulkarniLet me make a note of this on the keystone v3 bug that you have referenced in your patch14:23
zhurongyep, agree with this14:23
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devkulkarnizhurong: added a comment to the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/166245714:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1662457 in Solum "solum devstack keystone v3 support" [High,New] - Assigned to zhurong (zhu-rong)14:26
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zhurongOK, thanks14:27
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devkulkarnicool, lets then talk about the heat deployer patch14:27
devkulkarni3) Change heat client auth way: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425001/14:28
devkulkarniwhat are your thoughts on this? does my comment make sense?14:29
zhurongyes, I agree with your comment14:29
zhurongAnd just now, I have no idea about this. :(14:29
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devkulkarni*re-reading the comments*14:30
devkulkarniokay, so this particular patch is referenced in the replace-nova-docker blueprint..is the replacement (zun) working when using solum cli? (i.e. when using zun as the driver, are we able to deploy apps using the cli?)14:32
zhurongI am using dashboard, If change like the patch, it can deploy apps, and I think, cli it also can14:34
devkulkarniah I see. so the patch will not make github triggers to work14:35
zhurongI this it is not releated14:35
zhurongI think it is not releated14:35
devkulkarniit is sort of related actually.. see the heat client that we generate need to have appropriate permissions to perform heat operations14:37
devkulkarniwhen using the context token, as long as it is the user token, the heat client would have these permissions14:37
zhurongyep, no need to auth and generate another token14:38
devkulkarnibut when a trigger is received from github web hook, the token is not user token14:38
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devkulkarniyour suggestion of asking for username/password on the dashboard for registering github trigger14:40
devkulkarnibut we can do that in a follow-up patch14:40
zhurongyes, when using github trigger, this need special deal with14:41
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devkulkarniso right now, what do you think of using a special header that is passed when the request comes from the dashboard14:41
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devkulkarniwe can use that header to generate the heat client using the context token14:42
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devkulkarniif that header is not present, we continue using the previous approach (of using username/password in generating heat client)14:42
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devkulkarnithis will ensure that app deployment will work from command line and from dashboard14:43
devkulkarniit will also ensure that apps that are registered from the cli and for which we have setup github triggers, will work14:43
zhurongI think cli will also have the token, let me conform this14:43
devkulkarnithe cli workflow also has the token -- that is not the issue actually14:44
zhurongwhen using github triggers, all cli and dashboard need provider the username/password, and the username/password only used for github triggers14:45
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zhurongheat client auth with the token in the context14:46
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devkulkarnisure, so another way would be to detect that app deployment is actually coming from github trigger (https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/solum/api/controllers/v1/trigger.py#L76)14:47
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devkulkarniand then generate the heat client using username/password14:47
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devkulkarniyeah, probably that can be done as well14:48
devkulkarnizhurong: just to confirm you have tested that this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425001/5/solum/deployer/handlers/heat.py works from dashboard and cli when using zun, right14:49
zhurongI will conform with cli14:49
zhurongdashboard I have confirmed14:50
devkulkarniok, cool.14:50
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devkulkarnilets do this then.. once you confirm that the change works with cli as well, we can merge it with slight modification -- the modification being, lets leave the get_heat_client method as it is.. we can add a note that we will need that method for handling github triggers. will add detail comment on the patch.14:52
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zhurongsure14:53
devkulkarnicool14:53
devkulkarnilets quickly talk about releases..14:53
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devkulkarniany upcoming release deadlines for pike?14:53
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zhurongfor pike?14:53
devkulkarnihttps://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html14:54
zhurongwe need  release deadlines for pike now?14:54
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devkulkarnijust checking if there are any upcoming deadlines14:54
devkulkarnifor ocata we have released all the artifacts, right?14:55
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devkulkarnizhurong: for pike, p-1 is when we have acknowledge the community-wide goals14:56
devkulkarnihttps://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-114:56
zhurongyes, are the repo have the stable/ocata14:56
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devkulkarniyep, all our repos have ocata14:56
devkulkarnigood job on it14:56
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devkulkarnizhurong: for acknowledging community goals, I would encourage you to take a look at https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/index.html14:57
devkulkarnithere is a patch that we need to submit for each of the goals14:57
devkulkarnithe patch needs to essentially list what we have completed, what is remaining, tentative timeline14:58
devkulkarnioh, looks like we are at the end of our meeting time almost14:58
zhurongyep14:58
devkulkarniany thing that you wanted to discuss?14:58
devkulkarniwe can continue in our channel anyways14:59
zhurongnp14:59
devkulkarnialright14:59
devkulkarnilet me know how the zun deployment goes from the cli then14:59
zhurongok, I will14:59
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devkulkarnigood discussion today15:00
devkulkarnisee you next week for the meeting15:00
devkulkarni#endmeeting15:00
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zhurongsee you15:00
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haleybhi15:01
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haleybSwami__: you around?15:02
Swami__haleyb: yes15:03
haleyb#startmeeting neutron_dvr15:03
Swami__haleyb: sorry my laptop went into dream mode15:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 15:03:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
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haleyb#chair Swami__ Swami15:03
openstackWarning: Nick not in channel: Swami15:03
openstackCurrent chairs: Swami Swami__ haleyb15:03
haleyb#topic Announcements15:04
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haleybany announcements?  i have nothing new to report15:05
Swami__haleyb: I don't have either15:05
haleyb#topic Bugs15:05
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Swami__haleyb: thanks15:05
Swami__haleyb: There are no new bugs reported for this week.15:05
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haleybi saw bug 166827715:06
openstackbug 1668277 in neutron "When enable l2pop, after deleting the DVR port, the associated flow entries still exists." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668277 - Assigned to Yaohua Yan (sleepdream)15:06
haleybi haven't looked to see if it's DVR issue15:06
haleybactually already has a patch up15:07
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/438516/15:07
Swami__haleyb: will take a look at it.15:08
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Swami__I will triage it and see if we can reproduce the problem in the master and will review the patch based on it.15:09
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Swami__haleyb: Is there any other new bug apart from this that I missed.15:10
haleybSwami__: no, that was the only new one I saw15:11
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Swami__Ok15:11
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Swami__The only other one for review is the Fast-path-exit patches.15:12
Swami__I did see that those patches are in merge conflict.15:12
Swami__I will rebase those patches and push it in today.15:12
Swami__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283757/15:12
Swami__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355062/15:13
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haleybi'll take another look, i might have forgotten to add my vote15:13
Swami__haleyb: thanks15:14
Swami__If possible can you also review the allowed_address_pair patches.15:14
Swami__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437970/15:14
Swami__I got some early reviews from oleg.15:14
haleybyes, will look at those too15:14
Swami__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/15:14
Swami__Meanwhile I will try to rebase the patches if there are any merge conflicts.15:15
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Swami__That's all I had for bugs.15:16
haleybOk.  I noticed at least one bug that's been fixed, i'll scrub the wiki after the meeting15:17
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Swami__haleyb: ok thanks15:18
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haleyb#topic Gate15:18
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haleybI got some feedback from ihar on my dvr-multinode voting job as there was a spike this week15:19
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haleybbut the other plan is that dvr+ha is the plan going forward, since it covers both.  We didn't want to have too many gate jobs (re)testing the same thing15:20
Swami_haleyb: yes that's what they agreed in the PTG.15:21
haleybthat topic is being covered in the -ci team meeting on tuesdays15:21
Swami_haleyb: ok, yes I remember that.15:21
haleybSo things will progress hopefully by end of cycle15:22
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* haleyb is refreshing grafana just to make sure there isn't an issue15:23
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Swami_haleyb: good15:24
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haleybthings look good to me15:24
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haleybmoving on15:24
haleyb#topic Stable backports15:24
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Swami_I have not pushed in any backports recently and nothing in my list at this point.15:26
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haleybyeah, I haven't seen any specific to DVR either15:26
haleyb#topic Open Discussion15:26
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haleybAnything else to discuss?  i think it's just you and me swami15:27
Swami_haleyb: Did you attend the drivers meeting last week. Did anything come up on the RFE.15:27
Swami_haleyb: I don't any specific topic for further discussions.15:29
haleybI did not attend, so i don't know if it was held, would have to look at minutes15:29
Swami_haleyb: ok,15:29
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haleybI had nothing else, we can get back to all the busywork we have this week15:30
Swami_haleyb: yes already our setup is all messy this week, with all the move15:31
Swami_haleyb: hopefully this week is not going to be fruitfull.15:31
haleybyes, agreed15:32
haleyb#endmeeting15:32
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Swami_haleyb: bye15:32
haleybSwami_: see you later15:32
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rkukuraany ML2’ers here?16:02
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dasanindhi16:03
rkukurahi dasanind16:03
dasanindhi rkukura. I don't have much updates for today16:03
rkukuraI don’t see Sukhdev, its his turn to chair today, and neither of us prepared an agenda16:04
rkukuraso lets skip today’s meeting16:04
rkukuraany objections to skipping this week’s ML2 subteam meeting?16:05
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dasanindrkukura: no objections. if you get a chance can you please review the apis?16:05
rkukuradasanind: will try - I’m traveling this week and have been in meetings continuosly16:06
dasanindrkukura: sounds good16:06
rkukuraI still need to writeup the RFE for extension semantics enforcement too16:06
rkukuradasanind: thanks for showing up - see you here next week16:07
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dasanindrkukura: see ya16:07
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timsim#startmeeting designate17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 17:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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timsim#topic Roll Call17:00
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timsimo/ blancos17:00
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timsimping mugsie kiall17:00
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timsim#topic Announcements17:01
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timsimI don't have any announcements, if someone else wants to do something, feel free17:01
* timsim was just stalling while he pulled up other things17:02
mugsieI have none :)17:02
mugsieheh17:02
timsim#topic Action Items from last week17:02
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timsimDoesn't look like we had any17:02
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timsim#topic Bug Triage17:02
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timsim`we are in the middle of an update, Launchpad will be back in a couple of minutes`17:03
timsimcool17:03
mugsieits back17:03
timsimAlright, doesn't look like any new bugs.17:04
timsimJust one for me to look at that I failed to. and one for mugsie to close17:04
mugsiehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate-dashboard/+bug/167010217:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1670102 in Designate Dashboard "AngularJS unittest with Jasmine and Karma" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to anusree (anusree-a04)17:05
timsim#action timsim to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/166829017:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668290 in Designate "First call to designate-worker raise error" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Tim Simmons (timsim)17:05
timsimoops17:05
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timsimWell. I guess it's good to have angularjs unittest with jasmine and karma17:06
timsimI don't know what that is17:06
mugsieit JSUnit testing frameworks17:06
timsimWell I figured that :P17:06
mugsieafaik it is the standard horizon way17:06
timsimCool. I guess triaged med then?17:06
mugsieI commented on the review17:06
mugsieyeah17:06
timsimhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/601968/17:08
timsim#topic Stable Backport Triage17:08
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timsimmy god im messing this up big time17:08
mugsie:D17:08
timsim#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/601968/17:08
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mugsiemainly docs17:08
mugsiewhich dont get backported17:09
timsimYeah and the gate was wedged for quite a while17:09
mugsie(normally)17:09
mugsie++17:09
timsimAlright moving on17:09
Kiallhacking?17:09
KiallDidn't the build slaves all get the new version?17:09
mugsieAfaik, pbr2.0 is pike on17:09
mugsiei *think*17:09
KiallK17:09
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timsimAnd there should be a stable requirements change if it's needed right?17:10
mugsieyeah17:10
timsim#topic Open Discussion17:10
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timsimAnyone want to bring anything up?17:10
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mugsieI am good17:11
KiallMe too17:11
mugsieI want to spend some off time over the next few days continuing on the list we made in ATL17:11
timsimWe got some new docs/structure happening. Which is pretty cool https://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/ https://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate-tempest-plugin/17:11
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Kiallshiny new theme on the tempest plugin>]17:11
mugsieyup17:12
Kiall?*17:12
asettlemugsie: lemme know if you need anything17:12
* asettle drops in17:12
timsimo/ asettle17:12
mugsiewe are trying to move all docs to that theme afaik17:12
timsimWas it the support matrix that made that difficult mugsie ?17:12
asettleYep, I need to get the requirements of that for you guys17:12
mugsienope - it looks a ton better in the new theme17:12
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mugsiehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/299940/17:13
mugsiewas my last attempt - but timsim pglbut and Kiall didnt like it17:13
timsimWell coolio, maybe we try and get that done this week. Is that ^ all that needs to happen?17:13
mugsiebasically17:13
* timsim has a hard time believing he was that opinionated about it17:14
Kiallmugsie: IIRC, it didn't render half the docs correctly at the time ;)17:14
timsimoh yeah that rings a bell17:14
mugsieI think the TOCs were weird17:14
timsimWell let's update it and see what happens17:14
mugsieand the H1's were hidden17:14
mugsiebut I fixed the theme to allow us add in extra css now17:14
mugsieso we can tweak it oursleves if need be17:15
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timsimNeat-o.17:15
timsimAlright then, looks like we're about done.17:15
mugsie++17:15
timsimblancos, sonuk anything you'd like to bring up?17:15
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timsimAny way we can help anything you're doing/want to do?17:15
sonuktimsim: nothing from my side.17:16
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blancostimsim Thanks for asking. Unfortunately, internally we've been a little busy but things are slowing down this week so I'll be able to spend more time on Designate17:16
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timsimFair enough, ping us if you have any questions at all!17:16
blancosWill do :)17:17
mugsieblancos: heh - yeah, that balance is tough to get right :)17:17
timsim🔥 alright, let's give folks some time back shall we17:17
timsimAnything else going once...17:17
timsimtwice....17:17
timsim#endmeeting17:17
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SlickNik#startmeeting trove18:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 18:01:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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SlickNikcourtesy ping for peterstac johnma slicknik dougshelley66 pmalik vgnbkr mvandijk trevormc aliadil spilla songjian trevormc apsarshaik18:01
SlickNikhi folks!18:02
johnmahi SlickNik!! long time18:02
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SlickNikYeah :)18:02
SlickNikNot much on the agenda today18:03
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SlickNikDid anyone have any specific topics, or should we just move to open discussion?18:04
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SlickNikbtw, amrith sends his apologies — if you didn't see his email on the ML — he was double booked again this morning and wasn't able to make it to the meeting.18:04
SlickNik#topic Open Discussion18:05
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SlickNikSo I have something I wanted to cover here.18:06
SlickNikI (and a few others in my team) are going to be moving from HPE to SUSE as part of an acquisition.18:06
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SlickNikToday is my last day with HPE. I'm looking forward to this. It (hopefully) means that I will have more bandwidth to devote to Trove.18:07
SlickNikBut more to come in the next week or so.18:07
SlickNikWill keep folks updated.18:08
johnmathat is great news SlickNik18:08
johnmathat will be good for Trove18:08
SlickNikYup — we're looking forward to it.18:08
johnmaCongratulations and good luck18:08
SlickNikThanks!18:08
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SlickNikI've been trying to already step up reviews and such — but the transition is taking most of my time at the moment.18:09
SlickNikAnyhow — anyone have anything else for the open discussion?18:10
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SlickNikIf not, we can call it a meeting and folks can have a chunk of their time back. :)18:10
trevormcOh I'm the new doc liason, not sure if any of you saw that. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation]18:10
SlickNikThanks for pointing that out trevormc — I didn't notice that.18:11
SlickNikAnd thanks for doing that!18:11
johnmathanks trevor. Do you have an idea what we are planning to do for Trove docs this release.18:12
SlickNik#info trevormc is the new Documentation Liason18:12
trevormcI want to fix the generate_examples.py file to support clusters18:12
trevormcthe api documentation has no information on clusters18:12
trevormc#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435622/18:13
trevormcits got a long way to go :(18:13
* SlickNik is looking at the review18:14
johnma. It is a good start though. I think we really need to look at the guest image building doc this release and update it.18:14
SlickNikYes — both those areas are really lacking docs.18:15
johnmado you know if the docs are updated with trovestack info18:15
trevormcopenstack-manuals still uses redstack18:15
johnmayes we definitely need to update this and we should make it a priority for this release18:15
SlickNikI can take a look into that (updating the manuals with trovestack info) in the next few days.18:16
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trevormcok, I'll see if there are any low-hanging fruits that I can fix today/tomorrow18:16
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SlickNikSounds good. Anything else for open discussion?18:17
SlickNik.18:18
SlickNik..18:18
SlickNik...18:18
SlickNik#endmeeting18:18
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SlickNikThanks all! See you around in #openstack-trove!18:18
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johnmathanks SlickNik18:21
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  8 20:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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johnsomHi folks20:00
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johnsom#topic Announcements20:00
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johnsomOctavia is now cycle-with-milestones release cycle20:01
xgermanyeah20:01
johnsomThis means we will do Pike-1, 2, 3, and rc releases now.20:01
johnsomMostly this will help with end of cycle tasks like setting stable/pike for the agent,  etc.20:02
johnsomThe other announcement I have is tomorrow there is a meeting to talk about an alternative act/act method20:02
johnsom17:00 UTC Thursday March 9th20:03
johnsom#link http://bit.ly/2lTz7wK20:03
johnsomIt's a webex style meeting20:03
nmagneziany related readings to do before that meeting?20:03
johnsomNo, I think it is a brainstorming kind of meeting where a spec will come out of it.20:04
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johnsomThey are talking about using L3 anycast for act/act20:04
johnsomThat is about all I know.20:04
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nmagnezimay I ask, just to get a context of this, why are we discussing an alternative?20:05
nmagnezithe current act/act work is going to get dropped?20:05
johnsomIt is just a proposal from the community20:05
johnsomNo, I expect it would be an alternate driver20:05
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nmagneziack. thanks.20:05
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xgermanyeah, we will keep teh current act/act work20:06
johnsomAll good questions we can ask...20:06
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xgerman:-)20:06
johnsomI don't see any reason to drop the work that has been done for the current specs.20:06
xgerman+120:07
nmagneziaye. just asked to get the context of things. I'm not involved in this effort so just wanted to know :-)20:07
xgermanquite the opposite20:07
johnsomAnyway, please join if you can.  Should be an interesting conversation20:07
johnsomShortened urls are blocked on the wiki, so sharing it here...20:08
johnsomAny other announcements?20:08
johnsomOther than our gates are slightly broken at the moment....20:09
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nmagneziwhich of the gates? anyone looking into this?20:10
johnsomYeah, rm_work and I are working on it now20:10
rm_workT_T20:10
nmagnezilet me know if I can help with something here20:10
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review20:11
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johnsomLots of stuff needing reviews, so help out if you can.20:11
johnsomI have been working on a bunch of clean up stuff and write ups about the PTG as well as reviewing the load balancer API20:12
johnsomI hope to get back to the api-ref today20:12
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johnsomNo other updates?20:13
johnsom#topic Team mascot20:13
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johnsom#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-mascot20:13
johnsomIt doesn't look like we have new proposals, so we should move on to voting.20:14
johnsomPlease add your name to the roll call list next to your color and +1 next to the mascot you like20:15
johnsomThis way we won't have ballot stuffing....  grin20:15
johnsom#topic Status of Active/Active development20:16
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johnsomAre any of the developers on those patches here?20:17
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nmagnezii think perelman is not here atm20:17
xgermanwell, we have made some suggestions and haven’t seen them being picked up20:18
johnsomI wanted to get an update on that work.  We have put up review comments, but I haven't seen any updates to those patches beyond rebases20:18
xgerman+!20:18
xgermanso we are wondering what is going on and how we can help20:19
johnsomYes and if they will have resources to work on this for Pike.20:19
johnsomI was hoping we could iterate on those pretty quickly and get that merged early in Pike.20:20
xgerman+220:20
johnsomOk, so hopefully they will read the minutes and send an update.  I want to know if we need to find others to take over those patches.20:20
xgermannmagnezi any idea how we can get in touch with them or make them get in touch with us20:21
nmagnezii really don't know, sorry :<20:21
xgermank, thanks20:21
johnsomI can try e-mailing directly I guess.20:21
johnsomSimilar topic:20:21
johnsom#topic Status of flavors spec for Octavia20:22
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johnsom#link https://review.openstack.org/39248520:22
johnsomThis spec was posted, there was some discussion, but I haven't seen updates.20:22
johnsomI don't see Evgeny here today either20:23
johnsomIs there still interest in working on this in Pike?20:23
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johnsomNo Kobis either...20:24
xgermanML?20:24
johnsomBummer.  This is one I wanted to make some traction on as the provider work will have flavors implications.20:25
johnsomYeah, probably ML time20:25
johnsom#topic Discussion about how to migrate loadbalancers from legacy haproxy in namespace to run under Octavia20:25
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xgerman:-(20:25
nmagnezithat one would be me :)20:25
johnsomnmagnezi Wanted to talk about migrating LBs20:25
nmagneziyup20:25
nmagneziI spoke with rm_work and johnsom about this subject already, and I would like to raise it here for more opinions.20:26
nmagneziso20:26
nmagneziMany operating currently use lbaasv2 with the legacy haproxy in namespace.20:26
johnsomIt sounds like migrating between drivers, i.e. from netns driver to octavia driver.20:26
nmagneziI understand we currently don't have any tool to migrate existing loadbalancers from the old driver to Octavia, but from operators standpoint, I think this is an important option to have.20:26
xgermanok, so not netns -> new netns20:26
nmagneziSo, we might want to capture such a thing in a spec (?) but I would like to know what people think about this and if they have any specific idea as for how such a thing should be implemented.20:26
nmagnezixgerman, yup20:26
johnsomI do plan to have a method to migrate nlbaas netns lbs to octavia netns lbs20:26
nmagneziPlease keep in mind that such a migration should be done in production env. Meaning: 1. It should have the option to roll back in case something goes wrong. 2. Minimal downtime, if possible.20:26
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nmagnezijohnsom, so maybe it makes more sense to have a two step migration20:27
nmagnezithe one you mentioned should come as the first step20:27
johnsomYeah, across drivers there pretty much has to be some downtime as the data flows will change20:27
johnsomnmagnezi Yes, likely.20:28
xgermanyeah, vips change often as well20:28
johnsomMy first question would be to investigate if we can move the vip port to preserve the IP address20:28
xgermanyou can pass in the port after you cleared it I guess…20:29
nmagnezimmm, yeah that is indeed problematic. i guess if operators use floating ip that won't be an issue for them but we cannot assume everyone do that20:29
johnsomWe would probably need to create a flow that spins up the amp, plugs the backends  and configures, but be able to move the VIP port at the last minute.20:29
nmagneziyup20:30
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xgermanalso how big a problem is it… do operators run 100 LBs they could recreate in a few hours or more like 1000s20:30
nmagnezican two drivers co-exists in one deployment at the same time? just for  the migration process?20:30
johnsomMaybe a first step would be just removing the VIP port and passing it into octavia for an lb create.  Then optimize later20:30
xgermannmagnezi yes, they can20:31
johnsomnmagnezi Yes, we will have multiple live drivers20:31
johnsomYou select with the "provider" parameter at LB create time20:31
xgermanwe just can’t move one LB from one provider to another20:32
nmagnezigreat. so as you said we can spin amps and configure them20:32
johnsomRight, it would be a process20:32
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nmagneziso i guess the main question here is what would be the best practice to migrate the vip20:33
nmagnezican we clear a vip without actually deleting the existing loadbalancer?20:33
johnsomRight, start simple, look at how to detach from the old netns and pass in that port_ID to octavia on lb create...20:34
xgermanbut then you still need to somehow gather listeners/members/pools20:34
johnsomI think so, but that would be the investigation.  Can you, how, what are the gotchas20:34
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nmagnezixgerman, that we can read directly from the database i guess, no?20:35
johnsomRight, it would need to mine the DB (bad idea) or do detail gets via the API20:35
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xgermanyep20:35
nmagnezijohnma, why is it a bad idea to mine the db?20:35
nmagneziperformance?20:36
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johnsomschemas change20:36
johnsomIt's not a "stable" interface like the API is.20:36
nmagneziit shouldn't change if i just read it, no?20:36
johnsomIs this something you are thinking about adding to the Octavia API or be a standalone tool?20:36
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nmagnezii was thinking on a standalone tool, but if we can get this to Octavia API it should even better (and that removes the db mining)20:38
johnsomnmagnezi for example, the column "admin_state_up" in the DB could be renamed to "enabled".  where the API has to keep a stable name for it20:38
xgermanI can see adding something which dumps all the LB and related info to later feed to a single create as a “backup” to the API20:38
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nmagnezishould be*20:38
johnsomIt will need octavia service account level permissions to be able to access the VIP ports, etc.20:39
nmagneziwell we should only expect admins to do such actions, so is it a problem from that standpoint?20:40
xgermanwell, if operators like their users to self-migrate when it is conveneient for them…20:40
johnsomNo, just part of the thought process20:40
johnsomI think it would be an interesting API really.20:41
johnsomThat way it could be something you allow your users to do.20:41
nmagnezithat is an interesting option. also, it makes it far more complex to implement :D20:42
nmagnezibut indeed it sounds like a better option20:42
johnsomSo, yeah, interesting idea.  Are you able to investigate and then propose a spec?20:42
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nmagnezialso xgerman made a good point about the "dump all LB"20:43
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nmagnezijohnsom, yes. it might take me couple of weeks to get to this, but it is something I can look into20:43
johnsomYeah, a backup/restore from the api perspective.  Interesting idea.  I would track that as a seperate spec20:44
xgermanmight be all you need if they can live with downtime20:44
nmagneziwhere do we expect to keep the backup?20:44
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nmagnezisorry if it is a dump question.20:44
xgermanthe user would ask for it and move it to a place he likes20:45
nmagnezidumb*20:45
johnsomSomething that exports in "single call create" format20:45
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nmagneziwe have an single call create implemented already?20:45
johnsomYes20:45
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nmagnezinice!20:45
nmagnezii was not aware of this. good to know.20:46
johnsomOne call that creates all of the parts of the LB (pools, members, etc.) in one API call20:46
nmagnezido we also have a single call delete (delete cascade was it called?)20:46
johnsomWe do not however allow multiple LBs in one call.  Maybe in the future20:46
johnsom#link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/octavia/api/octaviaapi.html#create-fully-populated-load-balancer20:47
johnsomThe old docs.  I will be adding that to the new API-REF soon20:47
nmagneziack.20:47
johnsomOk, any other questions about that?20:48
nmagneziokay I unless anyone has anything more to add. I have no additional questions. I will capture this in a spec.20:48
nmagnezino. thank you for your time :)20:48
xgermanwe should probably gather interest on the ML20:48
johnsom#idea Allow Octavia driver migration of load balancers20:48
xgermannot that we spend weeks and most people just run 10 LB20:49
johnsom#idea Add a way to export your load balancer configurations in "single call create" format20:49
xgermanit’s easy to gold plate such things20:49
johnsomI never use those tags, so figured I would try them out....  grin20:50
xgerman:-)20:50
nmagnezi:)20:50
xgermanI also think if you use ns you should be ok with downrime ;-)20:50
johnsomTrue, those are "icing on the cake" features.  We have some baking left to do on the base....20:50
nmagnezixgerman, lol20:50
johnsomA true statement....20:51
nmagnezii know :)20:51
johnsomOk, any other topics today?20:51
xgermanoh, we have a spec for qos20:52
johnsomOh, I spoke with those folks at the PTG.20:52
xgerman#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441912/20:52
johnsomI need to read that.20:52
xgermanI gave them some comments20:52
xgermanbut yes please read…20:52
johnsomYeah, it has been so busy since the PTG.  I am still catching up.  (the summary e-mails to the mailing list were a bit late, but they went out...)20:53
xgermanI commented too much on CCF (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/11/specs/pike/common-classification-framework.rst) so they pulled me in20:54
nmagneziyup. highly detailed! I still need to read part 2 :)20:54
johnsomGlad to know someone read it...  Grin20:55
xgermanI not only read but forwarded it ;-)20:55
xgermanspreading the gospel20:55
nmagnezihah20:55
nmagnezisame here20:55
nmagnezi:)20:55
johnsomNice.  Fire hose style....20:55
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johnsomOk if there is nothing else I will end the meeting.20:56
johnsomThanks for the discussion today.  Good stuff.  Don't forget to join the webex tomorrow about act/act if you can.20:56
johnsom#endmeeting20:56
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