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trugnvfet  Please help me to know about what are currently projects in Designate? such as: RPC versioning, OVO, API microversions, OSM and Data migration. Thanks05:26
trugnvfet  Please help me to know about what are currently status of projects in Designate? such as: RPC versioning, OVO, API microversions, OSM and Data migration. Thanks05:27
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dirkIgorYozhikov: around?13:01
toabctl#startmeeting rpm_packaging13:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 13:01:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)"13:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'13:01
IgorYozhikovo/13:01
toabctlping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof13:01
toabctl#chair dirk IgorYozhikov jpena|lunch number8013:02
openstackCurrent chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena|lunch number80 toabctl13:02
toabctlplease add your agenda points to the etherpad13:02
toabctl#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging13:02
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jpenao/13:04
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toabctllet's start13:06
toabctl#topic Nova and SUSE13:06
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toabctl#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/13:06
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toabctlIgorYozhikov, ^^13:07
dirktests are failing it seems13:07
IgorYozhikovyes, tests failing and what should i do next: add if case for if with tests or wait for suse ci update?13:08
toabctldo we know why it is failing?13:09
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IgorYozhikovnot sure, on previous meeting someone said, if I'm not mistaken, that this could be pbr issue13:11
dirkthe pbr issue was with the man page naming13:11
dirkthis looks different13:12
dirkI was actually fixing the ci setup over the last few days, so things might be better on the next recheck13:12
IgorYozhikovrecheck sent13:13
dirkoverall things are in a pretty bad shape, there is no coinstallable combination of pbr+sphinx+webob+docutils right now that would pass build checks :(13:14
dirkupstream is moving too fast / not releasing fast enough13:14
dirkIgorYozhikov: that recheck will fail until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445829/ is merged13:14
dirkIgorYozhikov: because https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444721/ got merged which broke all of SUSE CI13:15
dirkIgorYozhikov: unfortunately fuel gate seems to block that one..13:16
IgorYozhikovlooking13:17
dirkIgorYozhikov: Error: No Package found for python-psutil >= 3.2.213:17
IgorYozhikovdirk, thank you a lot, we can merge this one13:19
toabctldone13:19
dirkgreat, now for some rechecking exercise once that finished merging13:19
IgorYozhikovand after mos ci will build proper ver of psutil, I'll post republish message & mos ci will rebuild it13:19
dirkthanks for taking care13:20
dirk#action dirk recheck all the suse-ci failures13:20
dirk#action IgorYozhikov  add psutil >= 3.2.2 to mos ci13:20
dirknext?13:20
toabctl#topic python3 - feedback to singlespec macros13:21
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toabctlthat's from me13:21
toabctlso a couple of weeks ago I asked for feedback on SUSE's singlespec approach. has anybody tested that or had a look?13:21
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jpenatbh, I was waiting for jruzicka or number80 to chime in13:22
toabctlnumber80, any update on that topic?13:22
toabctljruzicka told me that number80 is better in interacting with the fedora community :)13:23
IgorYozhikovno updates from my side more than were a week ago, might be rdo colleagues had time to review single spec?13:23
toabctljpena, you you internally ping number80 or the responsible persons for fedora to have a look?13:23
jpenatoabctl: ack, I will13:24
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toabctlthx13:24
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toabctl#action jpena ping fedora guys to have a look at singlespec approach13:24
toabctl#topic OpenFloor13:24
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toabctlanything else? any special review?13:24
dirknot from me13:25
IgorYozhikovI want to discuss question raised by tlbr13:25
IgorYozhikovabout usage of "db sync" inside unit files13:26
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IgorYozhikovI'm fine as with presence as with absence of such  ExecStartPre options and want to get your opinion13:28
IgorYozhikovI'm about - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/34/openstack/nova/openstack-nova-api.service13:28
jpenathat was the first time I saw that in a unit file. It might be a nice trick, the only issue is that the service will fail to start if the DB is not available yet13:29
dirkjpena: there is a - in front of it13:29
dirkjpena: so it ignores failures13:29
jpenaoh, didn't realize13:29
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jpenathen I'm fine with keeping it. It won't hurt, and it might help in some cases13:31
IgorYozhikovso, I'll left everything where it is, right?13:31
jpena+1 for me13:31
toabctl+1 for me13:31
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toabctlanything else?13:32
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dirknot from me13:32
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tlbrit just not make sense to call it all the time13:33
tlbr=\13:33
tlbr*makes13:33
* IgorYozhikov have nothing to add 4 now13:36
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toabctlok. thanks everybody13:37
toabctl#endmeeting13:37
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"13:37
openstackMeeting ended Thu Mar 16 13:37:29 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:37
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szaher#startmeeting freezer14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 14:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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yangyapenghello szaher14:01
szaherHello everyone14:01
jvarlamova__hi14:01
szaherhello szaher14:01
ralievhey everyone :)14:01
yangyapenghello jvarlamova__ :)ha-ha14:01
szahersorry :) I wasn't saying hi to myself :)14:01
szaherHi yangyapeng14:01
szaherPlease check the topics https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings and add whatever topics you want to discuss14:01
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szaherraliev daemontool vnogin anyone is around ?14:03
ralievszaher, yep, I'm here14:04
szaherraliev: Cool!14:04
szaherSo Let's start guys14:04
szaher#topic freezer-web-ui add interval14:05
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yangyapengping allen14:05
szaherPlease Let's group reviews at the end of the meeting14:05
szaherGuys, we need more presence in the review :) we need to review more14:05
yangyapengagree it,14:06
yangyapengabout this patch, i have a test, looks good.14:07
szaherhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open14:07
szaherhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-api+status:open14:07
szaherhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-freezerclient+status:open14:07
szaherhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-dr+status:open14:07
szaherhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-specs+status:open14:07
szaheryou can add these links to your review board here https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/preferences14:07
szaher#topic Specs deadline14:07
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szaheranyone wants to add specs to Pike the specs deadline is 17th March14:08
szaherAlso we need to merge existing specs if you agree with it https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-specs+status:open14:09
szahernot sure if we should move these ones to Pike directory or we leave them in Ocata14:10
szaherI will be creating Pike directory today14:10
szaheranyone want to add anything to specs topic or even specs repo ?14:11
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szaherOk, Let's move on14:12
szaher#topic Boston Summit brainstorming14:12
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szaherraliev jvarlamova__ yangyapeng anyone is going to attend Boston summit ?14:13
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yangyapengi have no plan. raliev  jvarlamova__?14:13
ralievunfortunately, nope14:14
jvarlamova__no14:14
szahernp, anyway it would be nice if you can share the ideas that you would like to discuss with the community in this etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Freezer-brainstorming14:15
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ralievok, will think about possible topics14:16
szaherraliev jvarlamova__ where are you guys located ?14:16
ralievszaher, Saratov, Russia14:16
jvarlamova__szaher: Saratov14:17
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szaherNice :) Let's hope we can get a summit in Russia14:17
yangyapengraliev: jvarlamova__  Shanghai, China :)14:17
ralievmay be :)14:18
szaheryangyapeng: China would be great as well :)14:18
szaher#topic Tenant Backups14:18
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szaherjvarlamova__: Did you test your fix for nova backups ?14:19
jvarlamova__szaher: yes:)14:19
szaherjvarlamova__: I was trying your patch for tenant backups today and it didn't work at all14:20
jvarlamova__szaher: did you find any bugs?14:20
szaherAlso freezer master wasn't able to take nova backups14:20
szaherIt says Yes the backup is taken but the data size is zero14:21
szaherRestore reports Yes and the instance reporting an error No bootable device14:21
jvarlamova__szaher:  and what about backup/restore of single instance?14:21
szaherjvarlamova__: Well, that was about the single instance backup14:22
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szaherjvarlamova__: Tenant backups was creating directories with the instances IDs and data file is zero size14:22
szaherand the restore hangs after restoring the first instance14:23
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jvarlamova__szaher: so, looks like the problem is in nova engine?14:24
szaherjvarlamova__: Yes, I think freezer fails to upload data to the right location and I think this causes problems. It's very strict to paths so when you change the path it might fail to backup/restore14:25
jvarlamova__szaher: Actually when you take a snapshot of vm, it may have zero size, it's ok. So we may have  zero size files in nova backup container.14:26
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jvarlamova__szaher: but I'll take a look and test it once again14:27
szaherjvarlamova__: I've been discussing this with Glance guys in the PTG this should be a bug in nova (according to our discussion), but I was busy (lazy enough) so I didn't file it upstream14:27
yangyapengif nova boot from volume, take snapshot it have a zero size in glance14:28
szaherjvarlamova__: The zero size should happen only if you have the instance booted from volume ( this what happens to me)14:28
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yangyapengszaher: yes14:28
szaheryangyapeng: +114:28
szaherjvarlamova__: In my case I created 3 Cirros instances booted from normal image and the there failed to backup14:29
szaherand restore14:29
jvarlamova__sziher: actually when I create instance from image and take a snapshot, it has 0 size.14:30
yangyapengjvarlamova__: ?  what is  nova backend?14:31
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yangyapengceph?14:31
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szaherjvarlamova__: Ok Cool14:33
jvarlamova__i believe it's swift14:33
szaherjvarlamova__: It happened with me on local storage as well14:34
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yangyapengnova cinder glance backend is ceph for me.14:35
jvarlamova__szaher: so if you take snapshot manually, it isn't 0 size, but you have zero size files in nova backup container?14:36
jvarlamova__szaher: i'll try to reproduce it14:36
jvarlamova__szaher: thank you for testing!14:36
szaherjvarlamova__: Let's talk about it on freezer room14:37
jvarlamova__ok14:37
szaher#topic Docs14:37
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szaherAnyone want to help me building installation guide at least https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445952/ ?14:37
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szaherapi-ref I think we can leave it for a while after we move to v214:38
szaherat least please take a look at this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445952/14:39
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szaherOk it seems to be I'm the only one working on it though, anyway It would be nice to take a look at least :)14:42
szaher#topic Pike Goals14:42
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szaherwe have two goals14:42
szaherfully support python 3.5 https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html14:43
szaheranyone would like to have the ownership of getting this goal done yangyapeng: raliev: ?14:44
szaherit shouldn't be a too much to do as we have an upstream gate to takecare of it, but just make sure we follow everything written here https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html14:45
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szaherraliev: yangyapeng  anyone ?14:45
ralievszaher, I can take this point, but only after implementing cinder os-brick backup14:45
ralievbecause i'm working on it now14:45
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szaherraliev: Thanks! :)14:46
szahersecond point is Control Plane API endpoints deployment via WSGI14:46
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szaherWell, to some extent we are following this but we need a couple of more patches14:48
szaheranyone wants to takecare of this one ? If not I can take of it14:48
yangyapengszaher: hello, sorry, have a negligence, me too to update it14:49
yangyapenghttps://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html14:49
szaheryangyapeng: I think raliev: will takecare of it, you can coordinate with him if you want :)14:49
szaherfor the WSGI goal I will takecare of it :) If you want to do anything around it you're more than welcome :)14:50
szaher#action raliev will takecare of Pike Goal Fully Support Python 3.514:50
ralievszaher, okay :)14:51
szaher#action szaher will takecare of Pike Goal Control Plane API endpoints deployment via WSGI14:51
yangyapeng:)14:51
szaheryangyapeng: Do you want to work with me on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445952/ ?14:51
yangyapengok14:52
szaheryangyapeng: Thank You! :)14:52
szaher#topic resource availability14:52
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szaherHow much are you guys available to work on Freezer, raliev jvarlamova__ yangyapeng ?14:53
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ralievszaher, freezer is my first priority assignment till the end of Q1, don't know for sure plans for Q214:54
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szaherraliev: When Q1 ends :) ?14:55
ralievMarch, 31 :)14:55
szaherraliev: Ok14:55
szaherjvarlamova__: ?14:55
szaheryangyapeng: ?14:56
yangyapengszaher: I have about a quarter of the time14:56
ralievanyway, I'll proceed contribute into freezer :)14:56
szaherraliev: Nice!, Thanks :)14:56
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szaheranyway we're running out of time14:56
ralievbut if it will by my first priority, i'll spend more time on it :)14:57
jvarlamova__szaher: I'll work on freezer in this quarter, not sure about the next quarter14:57
yangyapengWe are promoting freezer in State Grid of china,14:57
szaherPlease guys try to support yangyapeng on this one Freezer-resource (integration with heat) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443426/14:57
szaheryangyapeng: Thanks!14:57
szaherjvarlamova__: Ok, Thanks! :)14:57
yangyapengi add the templates about freezer, but it have a jenkins -114:58
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szaheryangyapeng: I will take a look14:58
yangyapengszaher: thanks14:58
szaherThank you guys for attending the meeting today :)14:58
szaheranyone to add anything ?14:58
ralievthanks everyone :)14:58
jvarlamova__thank you:)14:59
yangyapeng:) thank you14:59
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szaherCool!, for you to know tomorrow we will be Off in Ireland and I think US :)14:59
szaherso Have a good weekend and chat to you soon :)15:00
bswartzst patrick's day isn't a federal holiday in the US15:00
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szaherbswartz: oh, didn't know that :)15:00
szaherIt's a holiday in Ireland15:01
szahersorry need to go15:01
szaherThanks guys15:01
szaher#endmeeting15:01
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 15:01:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:01
bswartzhello all15:01
gouthamrhello o/15:01
gansohello15:01
vponomaryovHello15:01
tbarronhi15:01
cknightHi15:01
dustinsheya! \o15:01
tommylikehu_hey15:01
zhongjun_hi15:01
xyang1hi15:01
bswartzwow good attendance!15:02
toabctlhi15:02
bswartzcourtesy ping: markstur15:02
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markstur_hi15:02
bswartz#topic announcements15:02
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bswartzerr, no announcements this week15:03
bswartzjust a reminder that P-1 is 4 week from now15:03
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:03
bswartz#topic Specs15:03
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bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila-specs15:04
bswartzonly a few specs proposed this cycle15:04
jungleboyjo/15:04
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tommylikehu_more are under their way here15:04
bswartzare there any specs being worked on that aren't in gerrit yet?15:04
zhongjun_I have one15:05
bswartztommylikehu_: can you give us an idea of which ones?15:05
tommylikehu_some from zhongjun15:05
bswartztommylikehu_: you should re-propose the IPv6 spec for pike15:05
zhongjun_infinite share15:05
tommylikehu_bswartz: yes15:05
bswartzin gerrit it would just be a file move15:05
tommylikehu_bswartz: thanks for reminder15:06
bswartzalso while high priority specs will not have a different deadline during Pike, we still need to designate them as high priority to make sure reviewers prioritize those reviews if we care about any in particular15:07
bswartzI want to re-designate the ipv6 spec high priority after it's proposed in gerrit again15:07
bswartzif anyone wants to nominate some others this is the place to do it15:08
bswartzoh I just remembered, we had an etherpad for ocata specs15:08
bswartzI should make one for pike15:08
bswartz#action bswartz will make pike specs etherpad15:08
zhongjun_I want to nominate "ensure share" spec15:08
bswartzzhongjun_: is that ready for review now or is it WIP?15:09
* bswartz is reading it15:09
zhongjun_Now, the code is not start.15:09
bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446494/1/specs/pike/ensure-share.rst15:09
zhongjun_But we have simple spec15:09
bswartzI'm not sure about this CLI command15:10
bswartzthe intention of the proposal was mostly to get the driver interface corrected -- my hope was that most of the cleanup activities would occur automatically on driver startup15:10
tommylikehu_zhongjun_ 'ensure' may not be a valid sub command15:11
bswartzyes and if we do add a new CLI, I wouldn't name it ensure15:11
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vkmco/15:11
bswartzthat's a secondary concern though15:11
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zhongjun_I just want to add new cli to update our resources(such as share), and remove ensure share interface15:11
* bswartz marks vkmc tardy15:11
bswartzlol15:11
vkmc*sad panda*15:11
zhongjun_yes15:11
zhongjun_We will change the name15:12
marksturwhat would make ensure high priority or regular priority?15:12
marksturSeems high-ish, but I'm asking how we determine15:12
vponomaryovmarkstur: our votes ))15:12
gouthamrvkmc: zorrilla, no pandas here.15:12
bswartzzhongjun_: I don't know how closely you followed the PTG discussion, but the main point of it was to create a mechanism for drivers to fix things during version upgrades or other configuration changes15:12
tommylikehu_vote for high pri15:12
bswartzgouthamr: did you ever post the videos you took?15:12
marksturvponomaryov: Just regular democracy popularity contest with no concern for the ramifications?15:13
gouthamrbswartz: no :( never got around to that15:13
bswartzgouthamr: if you don't do it soon then they're not valuable15:13
gouthamrbswartz: +1 will get them online asap15:13
gouthamrthanks for the reminder15:13
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bswartzmarkstur: I think of high priority as "we should drop everything else to get this done"15:13
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xyang1bswartz: there are a few specs from ganso.  Is he still working on them?15:14
bswartzensure share *is* an important feature, but if it somehow didn't get into pike while other stuff did I think that would be okay15:14
gansoxyang1: no, I am not :(15:14
xyang1ganso: :(15:14
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vponomaryovganso: why? you have so much personal time )))15:15
gansovponomaryov: at the moment I have almost zero time...15:15
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bswartzyeah until we hear better news about ganso's situation I think we should find new owners for the stuff he was working on or we should move it to the back burner15:16
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marksturYeah. If we hi-pri is  like a must, hold-the-release thing then ensure isn't that high. But we could vote to put more attention on it if that helps.15:16
gansobswartz: +115:17
bswartzganso: a while ago we talked about marking the migration feature non-experimental -- there's no reason to not still do that right?15:17
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gansobswartz: yes15:17
bswartzganso: do you have time even to do that?15:18
bswartzor should we find someone else to do that microversion bump?15:18
gansobswartz: currently I don't, sorry15:18
bswartzk15:18
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zhongjun_bswartz: if "ensure share" didn't get into pike,  we still have some problem, We need to restart our service when drivers wants to fix things  during other configuration changes15:19
bswartzsomebody please hire ganso to work on manila again!15:19
gouthamr+100015:19
gansobswartz: +10000000000000000015:19
vkmc+++++15:19
vponomaryovganso: I thought you are still employed15:19
tommylikehu_lol15:19
bswartzgetting back to ensure share15:19
bswartzvponomaryov: yes but to do non-manila stuff15:19
zhongjun_lol15:20
gansovponomaryov: exactly15:20
vponomaryovok15:20
bswartz#topic ensure share15:20
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zhongjun_thanks15:20
bswartzthe main challenge is how this feature scales15:20
bswartzit's not reasonable to do background polling of all the shares constantly15:20
bswartzand it's not reasonable to update all shares on every share manager restart15:21
bswartzhowever there are times when every share will need to be updated15:21
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bswartzso the challenge is how to detect those times and invoke the driver logic at only those times15:21
vponomaryovnew api15:22
vponomaryovcall-on-demand15:22
gansobswartz: IIRC, last time we discussed this, somebody mentioned flagging shares as "needing repair" or something like that15:22
bswartzvponomaryov: that requires an admin to do the right thing15:22
zhongjun_so we just add new CLI command,  Manual update15:22
bswartzthere are 2 problem with that approach:15:22
vponomaryovbswartz: just poke the triger15:22
bswartz1) admins forget sometimes15:22
bswartz2) once the share manager is up and running it might be too late15:23
dustinsganso: I was thinking of something like a "dirty bit" would be a halfway decent idea for this15:23
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vkmcdustin++15:23
tommylikehu_bswartz: 1) no one could prevent that from happening15:23
zhongjun_ganso: we can specify the share when we use new cli command15:23
bswartzI'm particularly concerned about a case where the driver expects some value to be present after a code upgrade, when there are existing shares from before the upgrade that don't have that value15:23
vkmcI'd rather don't need to depend on the good judgment of admins15:24
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dustinsvkmc: Agreed15:24
zhongjun_bswartz: admins could write a script to update15:24
bswartztommylikehu_: if the share manager can detect that a code upgrade has occured, it could automate the process of fixing share before the driver init completes15:24
gansobswartz: main complexity is the "detect" part15:25
bswartzor alternatively we could hook into the existing commands that get run when code upgrades occur (like the db-sync)15:25
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zhongjun_admins could write a script to regularly update15:25
vkmcthe idea of a dirty bit and some sort of trigger when amount of shares are in need of an update in the control plane makes sense for me15:25
tommylikehu_bswartz:  do it in a automatical way is always prefect. but we should considering weather we could do it perfectly, without that depends on administrator is a necessary step15:25
dustinsAnd then having that trigger amount be configurable15:26
vkmcyup15:26
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bswartztommylikehu_: there's more than one use case for this feature -- some of them require perfect accuracy, in other cases a "best effort" approach might be sufficient15:26
vponomaryovok, how we will detect "reconfiguration"?15:26
bswartzfor the "best effort" cases an admin API/CLI might be fine15:26
dustinsI feel like we should be avoiding anything that involves running on a restart of a service, since I imagine we're not restarting these services often15:27
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bswartzdustins: you should read https://lwn.net/Articles/191059/15:27
bswartzvponomaryov: we would need to store some piece of state per-share15:28
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bswartzvponomaryov: perhaps a "dirty bit" or perhaps a generation number, or even one of those horrifying alembic hashes15:29
vponomaryovbswartz: easier to have API15:29
zhongjun_I think so15:29
bswartzI'll reply to this spec, but I think we need to enumerate several use cases for this feature and make sure the proposal addresses them all satisfactorily15:30
tommylikehu_bswartz: great15:30
zhongjun_of course, I will add these use cases15:30
bswartzI know that an admin API would fix some things, but I'm fairly certain there are things it would not work for -- and those are the reasons that stuff like ensure_volume() exists in cinder15:31
bswartzwell if not a high priority spec this should should be a review focus spec because it seems that we all have opinions15:32
bswartzplease review this spec and others15:32
bswartzI'd like to get some specs merged earlier than the day of the deadline >_<15:33
vponomaryovjust some? ))15:33
vponomaryovnot all of them? )15:33
bswartzvponomaryov: anything else would be asking too much I'm afraid15:33
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tbarronI favor a very small number of high prio specs and more resources on getting what we've started done and working reliably.15:33
tbarronipv6, multiple subnets on share nets, race conditions, ...15:34
vponomaryovshare groups )15:34
tbarronvponomaryov: ack15:34
bswartztbarron: yes, we have to focus our limited resources15:34
tbarronlooks like tooz backend is finally making some progress15:34
bswartz#topic open discussion15:34
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bswartzso the agenda was short today15:35
bswartzanyone want to discuss something else?15:35
tbarron(real momentum for using etcd v3 as well or instead of zookeeeper, with devstack support)15:35
bswartztbarron: who is working on that?15:35
tbarronbswartz: lemme chase down the thread, just a minute15:36
tbarronbswartz: dims and others, eg jd15:37
tbarronhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113885.html15:37
bswartztbarron: ty15:37
bswartzlooks like we're done15:37
bswartzthanks all15:37
jungleboyjThank you.15:38
tommylikehu_thanks15:38
bswartz#endmeeting15:38
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lhinds#startmeeting Security Project Meeting17:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 16 17:02:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security_project_meeting'17:02
unrahulo/17:02
knangia0/17:02
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lhindso/17:02
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lhinds#topic agenda17:02
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lhinds#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:02
lhinds#chair hyakuhei17:03
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei lhinds17:03
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capnodayhyakuhei has got held up in a meeting, please carry on lhinds17:03
lhindsfeel free to make additions to agenda ^17:03
lhindsthanks capnoday17:03
lhinds#chair capnoday17:03
openstackCurrent chairs: capnoday hyakuhei lhinds17:03
lhinds#topic Syntribos17:03
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unrahulwe have been testing cinder17:03
lhindsanything Syntribos devs?17:04
unrahulas part of the core project testing17:04
unrahuland have added i18n to syntribos17:04
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aasthado/17:04
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unrahulthats the major stuff we did this week on syntribos front17:04
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lhindssounds good!17:04
lhindsanything interesting found?17:04
unrahulwe have found few 500 and possible xss17:05
lhindsohh17:05
unrahulmore tests have to be done to confirm17:05
unrahulmdong:  can chip give further info on this17:05
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lhindsgj unrahul17:05
hyakuheiHey!17:05
hyakuheiThanks lhinds17:06
unrahulhey hyakuhei17:06
lhindshi hyakuhei17:06
hyakuheiI'm in a crazy call, running late17:06
vinaypotluriwelcome hyakuhei17:06
hyakuheiInsane day, so sorry I'm late guys17:06
hyakuheilhinds please carry on!17:06
lhindsno worries hyakuhei17:06
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lhinds#topic Security Docs17:06
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lhinds#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427760/17:06
* asettle runs in17:06
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lhindshey asettle17:07
hyakuheihi asettle !17:07
unrahulhey asettle17:07
asettleHey teammmmm17:07
asettleAw that's a nice welcome17:07
unrahulwelcome.17:07
knangiahey asettle17:07
asettlep/17:08
asettle... derp17:08
asettleo/17:08
unrahulso with asettle s and the entire docs team awesome help, we were able to merge 5 security guide bugs, close 1 and have wishlist'd 1  B-)17:08
hyakuheiYou guys are all hereos!17:09
hyakuheiI can't spell17:09
asettleOn that note...17:09
asettleI'm going through and doing edits17:09
asettle#link https://review.openstack.org/44591117:09
asettle#link https://review.openstack.org/44603317:09
hyakuheibut I am genuinely happy with all this progress17:09
capnodaygreat work :)17:09
asettlePlease take the time to review17:09
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asettleThey should be fast merges. Please take the patch off me instead of commenting if I've forgotten a little thing :)17:09
lhindsgreat work!17:09
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asettleAlso, I'm tracking some of the work here17:09
asettle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-pike17:09
asettleEVeryone take the time to look if you can, and put your name down if you can :)17:10
asettlethat's a lot of 'if you cans'17:10
asettleBut you get me17:10
unrahulthanks hyakuhei  capnoday  :)17:10
unrahullooking at the patch now asettle17:10
asettleGracias17:10
unrahulGuys we need the community input on a bug17:10
unrahulvinaypotluri: can you fill in?17:10
knangiathanks hyakuhei17:10
vinaypotluriI've been working on this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1619485 and would need the community's input on it17:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1619485 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Annual Cipher Validation - Introduction to TLS and SSL in Security Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vinay Potluri (vinay-potluri)17:11
asettle(I gotta go, have a great day people!)17:11
vinaypotluriacccording to the bug the recommendation mentioned still holds good and i feel it should remain the same17:11
lhinds#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/161948517:11
unrahulsee you later asettle17:11
lhindsthanks asettle17:12
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vinaypotluriI made a small gist explaining about it https://gist.github.com/vinaypotluri/6ea068e1073fd51267f2052a8547906717:12
vinaypotlurithanks asettle17:12
knangiathanks asettle17:12
asettleo/17:12
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lhindsthx vinaypotluri , will take a look17:13
lhindsI put all the above links in the etherpad as well17:13
vinaypotluriIf you guys feel the recommendation still provides with high level of security for network communication we can close the bug17:13
vinaypotlurisure lhinds17:13
unrahulhyakuhei: lhinds capnoday ^17:13
hyakuheiasettle really thankful for the leadership you're providing here17:13
hyakuheivinaypotluri I think I'm happy with closing :)17:14
vinaypotlurithank you hyakuhei17:14
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lhindswill a patch follow up to docs?17:15
unrahulI don't think there is a need for a new patch ryt lhinds ?17:15
lhindsok cool, not read into it much so go with you folks17:15
lhindsanything more on docs?17:15
unrahulAs the info as it is provided in the guide still valid?17:15
lhindsunrahul: sgtm17:16
unrahulnop.. we have assigned few more to ourselves..and have started on them17:16
unrahulthats it from us on docs17:16
lhinds#topic OSSN17:16
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lhindsone OSSN I want to 'won't fix', please let me know what you think:17:16
lhindshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/164924817:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1649248 in OpenStack Security Notes "Glance image upload wizard does not restrict invalid image files" [Undecided,New]17:16
lhindsits yet another rate limit ' set admin only for glance upload.17:17
lhindsI think sigmavirus agrees with me too, as well as another glance core17:18
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lhindsbut happy to take other input, if people still think its a note.17:18
* sigmavirus looks17:18
sigmavirusYeah, I don't know that that needs an OSSN17:19
sigmavirusIt's been covered before17:19
lhindsagree, i will no fix that.17:19
sigmavirusPart of the motivation behind glance tasks for v2 was to allow operators to write things to introspect uploaded data, but those are kind of not really well used (as v2 isn't adopted very well)17:19
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lhindsif some sort of escalation was possible, then its concern, but if not..meh17:20
lhindsits no different to putting eicar.txt in dropbox.17:20
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lhindswell a little different, but you catch my drift17:21
lhindsanother new possible note is :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/167308517:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1673085 in OpenStack Security Notes "scheduler hints are unbounded and never deleted" [Undecided,New]17:21
lhindsawaiting to see if a mitgation is available.17:21
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lhindsif not, I am hesitant to send out a note, with no recommended action for operators to take.17:22
lhindsI will get my inbox bombed with replies over what people should do.17:22
lhindsthats it for notes.17:22
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lhinds#topic any other business?17:23
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lhindswe have 5 mins still if any more topics?17:23
lhindsk. thanks all17:24
lhinds#endmeeting17:24
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knangiathanks lhinds17:24
tkelsey+117:25
lhindsthx knangia17:25
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hyakuheity all17:29
hyakuheiSorry I wasn't here much17:29
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knangiano worries hyakuhei17:35
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tellesnobrega#startmeeting sahara18:03
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:03
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tellesnobregasorry for being a couple minutes late18:04
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tellesnobrega#topic News/Updates18:05
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tellesnobregaSotK, I'm working on image gen still, finishing cdh on centos and starting on ubuntu soon18:05
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tellesnobregaSotK, sorry again18:06
SotK:) np18:06
esikachevi am working on debugging sahara-ci, spec for sahara-scenario api and first patch for implementation scenario api18:06
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zemuvierI am helping esikachev with debugging of sahara-ci after its updating18:06
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jeremyfreudbergI've been digging around with how Pig on Vanilla jobs are working right now. Basically the Pig libs are living in HDFS and are brought in by oozie18:07
tellesnobregaother than that, I'm trying to keep up with boston summit news and other projects and will start bug triage asap18:08
jeremyfreudbergSo when you run a pig job through EDP, oozie creates a "pig-wf" which can load those libs but otherwise they are inaccessible18:09
zemuviertellesnobrega any news from travel support team?18:09
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, nice, do you feel there is a need to change that? or this should work fine?18:09
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tellesnobregazemuvier, not yet, nobody contacted me18:10
zemuviertellesnobrega sad :(18:10
tellesnobregazemuvier, I will try to get in touch with them18:10
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, so the issue is there is no way run pig without oozie, unless you copy the libs to local disk first, seems wrong to me18:10
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, it seems wrong to me too. Do you want to write a spec on how you plan to fix it?18:11
toskywe could dig into the history to see why it was done this way - maybe recommended by upstream some time ago?18:11
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jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, sure. might require some changes to vanilla plugin, not just Sahara-Image-Elements like I originally thought18:12
tellesnobregatosky, true. jeremyfreudberg let's make it like this. I will take a look into history with tosky help (please tosky :) ) and we let you know the reason for that. If we don't find one then you can start planning changing it18:12
tellesnobregatosky, jeremyfreudberg does that sound goodw18:13
tellesnobrega?18:13
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jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, cool, sounds fine to me18:13
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tellesnobregaanyone else has news?18:14
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mariannelmnope, I'm not doing any particular changes right now, but I have some free time, so if there is a task that I could help, I would be happy to do it18:15
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tellesnobregamariannelm, nice, i will email you with some tasks18:16
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jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, by the way, I just remembered - did you find out what the plan was for uploading the ocata images to sahara-files?18:17
toskyVitaly wrote something earlier, for the record: "<vgridnev>     I will skip today's meeting, nothing to say.Just several fixes and waiting for review in project-config https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442382/"18:17
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, no I didn't, i will do so18:18
toskywe did it for some files already18:18
toskylike oozie stuff iirc18:18
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toskyoh, no, it was the hadoop-swift blob18:18
tellesnobregatosky, do we have a deadline for uploading this imagesw18:19
toskybut I don't find the job that do the publishing18:19
toskytellesnobrega: I was not at the PTG, you tell me :) probably the sooner the better, as Ocata is out18:19
tellesnobregatosky, cool, I will take a look into that and let you guys know by next meeting18:20
tellesnobrega#action tellesnobrega to look into ocata images uploading18:20
tellesnobrega#topic Open Discussion18:20
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tellesnobregaabout Boston summit, anyone is planning to attend?18:21
esikachevme :)18:21
jeremyfreudbergyes, will definitely be there, giving talk too18:21
mariannelmyes o/18:21
zemuvieri will try to18:22
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, awesome. mariannelm and zemuvier you guys are depending on TSP right?18:22
mariannelmyes18:22
zemuvieryes18:22
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zemuvierand esikachev too i think18:22
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esikachevyep18:22
tellesnobregacool, I will try and look into this18:23
toskytellesnobrega: re image publishing, look into openstack-infra/project-config, check the job 'gate-sahara-extra-artifacts'18:23
jeremyfreudberglucky i only live one mile from the summit this time :p18:23
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tellesnobregatosky, thanks18:23
tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, there is a open question about onboarding rooms, training new people on the project18:24
esikachevjeremyfreudberg: i only live 2000 miles from the summit Ж)18:24
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tellesnobregaI'm not planning to ask for a room for Sahara, since there will be so feel of us there18:24
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tellesnobreganot sure if we will be able to have that availability18:25
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, it's your decision, sure we don't have many saharans going to the summit but the chance to grow the team is good18:26
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tellesnobregajeremyfreudberg, yes, that is exactly my thinking, I will think on that and let you guys know if we can still get some space18:27
tellesnobregathe slots are for 90 minutes, but I think we can share with other projects18:28
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tellesnobregaSotK, mariannelm zemuvier esikachev I will look into TSP see if I can influence them into taking you guys.18:29
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tellesnobregaother than that, do we have anything to discuss?18:29
jeremyfreudbergjust one more thing, can we add a pike folder here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/sahara-specs/tree/specs18:29
zemuviertellesnobrega let us know if you hear something new about tsp18:29
tellesnobregayes, it should be there already, I think after esikachev's patch merge we will have it18:30
tellesnobregazemuvier, will do18:30
tellesnobregabut I will create that today just to be sure18:30
jeremyfreudbergtellesnobrega, thanks18:30
esikachevthanks18:30
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zemuvierthanks18:31
tellesnobregamariannelm, how do you feel about working on the api v2?18:32
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mariannelmyeah, I think I can do that18:32
tellesnobreganice, I will send you some tasks on that18:32
mariannelmcool!18:32
mariannelmalso, do you know why my patch wasn't merged?18:33
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tellesnobregamariannelm, no idea, maybe some issues on gate, maybe esikachev and tosky know that18:33
esikachevwhich patch you mean?18:34
tellesnobregahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/427447/218:34
tellesnobregaor because ci didn't passa18:34
tellesnobregapass18:34
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esikachevlet's try again18:35
tellesnobregachecking again and will make it pass :)18:35
esikachev:)18:35
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mariannelmthank you :)!18:35
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tellesnobregaanything else folks?18:36
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toskyin the worst case (the review above is not merged with no visible reasons), the way is ask #infra18:37
toskybut let's see18:37
toskyit's running now18:37
tellesnobreganice18:37
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tellesnobregaI guess this all for today18:38
tellesnobregathanks all, lets keep up the good work :)18:38
esikachevthanks all18:38
tellesnobrega#endmeeting18:38
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