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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 14:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Good UGT morning! Who's here? | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| macsz | hello Monday world | 14:00 |
| edleafe | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler | 14:01 |
| edleafe | I know that cdent is on PTO today. | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Hope jaypipes is around... | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | and bauzas :) | 14:02 |
| jroll | \o | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm not unfortunately. I know I need to do reviews on traits stuff, and I will be spending 4 hours today doing those. | 14:03 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: thanks | 14:03 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: ok. I have a POC for the auto-import | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link autoimport: https://github.com/EdLeafe/autoimport | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: awesome. | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs & Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | #link Traits series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376201/ | 14:04 |
| edleafe | alex_xu? | 14:04 |
| alex_xu | my colleague is working on the 'placement-manage' cl | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450125/1 | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | it is still in WIP | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | two problems found for that | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: any major blocks for your series? | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | first, that cmd want to use Trait object to create standard trait in db | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376199/28/nova/objects/resource_provider.py@1496 | 14:06 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: ^ I probably need to remove that check from the obj layer, and move into api layer | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: I'm confused: I thought all standard traits were going to be in the os-traits module? | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: but yeah, that seems more like an API-level check | 14:08 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yes, but we need to import all the standard trait fro os-traits into placement db | 14:08 |
| mriedem | it is in the api already via json schema | 14:08 |
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| alex_xu | mriedem: ah, yea, I probably just need to remove that check | 14:09 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/placement/handlers/resource_class.py#L33 | 14:09 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: what was the second problem? | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | second problem, do we want to consider remove standard trait which removed from os-traits in the placement-manange cmd now? | 14:10 |
| edleafe | heh | 14:10 |
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| edleafe | I think once something is in os-traits, it's there for good. Removing it from the DB for a local modification might be OK, though | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | if yes, we need to take care the case trait may already associated with specific resource provider | 14:11 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: agreed. This would seem to be an ultra-low priority, though | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | Removing traits was never part of the main design | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | I thought we should return fault for any trait associated with resource provider. If the user still want to remove that, the user needs to specify '--force' | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Well, we should probably move the discussion to the review | 14:13 |
| edleafe | so more people can comment | 14:13 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #link os-traits reorg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448282/ | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: also agree remove is low priority, just think of if implement that as above ^, we didn't have interface in the object layer to query, the trait assicated with which resource provider | 14:13 |
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| alex_xu | for the object layer to support such query, it is still a WIP patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429364/ | 14:14 |
| edleafe | jaypipes is breaking up os-traits from a single large file to a logical nesting of smaller files | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | There were issues with the design for importing those sub-packages | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | cdent had a POC, and I made another (linked above) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link cdent POC: https://github.com/cdent/pony | 14:15 |
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| alex_xu | yea, just better than one single huge file | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Nothing earth-shattering there; just trying to make computers do the boring repetitive stuff instead of humans | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | bauzas has an early WIP spec for making claims from placement: | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #link WIP placement doing claims: https://review.openstack.org/437424 | 14:17 |
| edleafe | Comments there are always welcome. | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #link Show sched. hints in server details: https://review.openstack.org/440580 | 14:18 |
| edleafe | There is some discussion as to whether this should be done | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | or keep scheduler hints an internal thing only | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | Nested Resource provider series pretty much on hold until traits is done | 14:18 |
| edleafe | #link Nested RPs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920/ | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Any other specs or reviews to discuss? | 14:19 |
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| diga | o/ | 14:19 |
| mriedem | i have re-proposed the nested RPs spec, | 14:19 |
| mriedem | do we anticipate changes to that? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | or should we just re-approve? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449381/ | 14:20 |
| edleafe | mriedem: I'd have to re-review | 14:20 |
| edleafe | to make sure that the traits usage is current | 14:20 |
| mriedem | if we don't expect changes, but it's just lower priority, | 14:20 |
| mriedem | then we should still re-approve before p-1 | 14:20 |
| * bauzas waves super-late (thanks DST) | 14:20 | |
| edleafe | ok, I'll look over that after the meeting | 14:21 |
| * macsz was late to add item for specs reviews | 14:21 | |
| edleafe | I saw a late addition just now: | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Use local-scheduler spec | 14:21 |
| edleafe | #link Add use-local-scheduler spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438936/ | 14:21 |
| macsz | John started it, left me to finish it | 14:21 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: any comments on that? | 14:21 |
| edleafe | macsz: ah! | 14:22 |
| mriedem | that came up at the ptg, | 14:22 |
| mriedem | like local conductor | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so run nova-scheduler local to conductor | 14:22 |
| mriedem | and don't require a separate nova-scheduler service | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i think is the gist | 14:22 |
| macsz | yeah, basically it is about dropping scheduler process and move it's logic to the condiuctor | 14:22 |
| macsz | mriedem: yeah | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | ok, added to my growing list of tabs... | 14:23 |
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| macsz | John had planned more in this spec | 14:23 |
| macsz | but we decided to split it up | 14:23 |
| macsz | and created two additional specs as follow up, but it;s not scheduler related | 14:23 |
| bauzas | the only issue I see with that is that we agreed to have a global scheduler for cellsv2 vs. local conductors for each cell | 14:23 |
| macsz | so i think we can skip it today | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds correct | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | its all about making things simpler for operators | 14:24 |
| mriedem | placement is the global scheduler now, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | but yeah we still have n-sch global too | 14:24 |
| mriedem | using host mappings | 14:25 |
| bauzas | mriedem: not really given we still need to look at filters | 14:25 |
| bauzas | so, it could be merged with the super-conductor | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | not the local conductors to make it clear | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, placement is the key change here, there i no longer a benefit from the separate single nova-scheduler process (with active/passive HA, or whatever) | 14:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, its an api cell thing still | 14:25 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's another point | 14:26 |
| bauzas | because conductors are A/A | 14:26 |
| bauzas | while schedulers are A/P | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats not always true | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | its required only for the caching scheduler | 14:26 |
| bauzas | well | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | now the move to placement makes most of these reasons go away, as nova-scheduler is no longer "single threaded" in the way it once was (and that was a good thing) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the problem is about the HostState | 14:27 |
| * alex_xu thought nova-scheduler is A/A... | 14:28 | |
| bauzas | I mean, HostState.consume_from_request() | 14:28 |
| bauzas | but lemme provide my thoughts in the review | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yes, the idea is claims will eventually get rid of that | 14:29 |
| edleafe | Good idea - let's all review that spec and add our comments | 14:29 |
| bauzas | lastly, the point is about the scheduler fanout | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | to be clear, the current goal is make running as part of conductor possible | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | deprecating the old way is a follow on step | 14:29 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: i don't think it's recommended to run more than one scheduler worker | 14:29 |
| bauzas | mriedem: it's possible if you have a good capacity | 14:29 |
| mriedem | the main reason is what? collisions? | 14:29 |
| bauzas | mriedem: but we don't recommend A/A for example with Ironic | 14:29 |
| * johnthetubaguy points at stack vs spread | 14:30 | |
| bauzas | yup | 14:30 |
| mriedem | we should doc this, | 14:30 |
| mriedem | because i'm reminded of it frequently, | 14:30 |
| mriedem | but forget what the reasons are | 14:30 |
| bauzas | it's already documented AFAIR | 14:30 |
| * alex_xu needs to check the doc | 14:30 | |
| bauzas | but agreed with johnthetubaguy, possibly something we could fix by scheduler claims :) | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | as I said, my last concern is the scheduler fanout that computes do | 14:30 |
| bauzas | for providing instances and aggregates knowing | 14:31 |
| bauzas | to the scheduler | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought we killed that? I guess it came back | 14:31 |
| bauzas | but again, let's put that in the spec | 14:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we added it somewhere around Juno/Liberty | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | so maybe we are a cycle early with the spec | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I thought it got killed soon after | 14:32 |
| bauzas | but now we have placement, so we could be doing that using placement | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, not what I know | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | i have no idea what this means: | 14:32 |
| mriedem | (9:30:59 AM) bauzas: as I said, my last concern is the scheduler fanout that computes do | 14:32 |
| mriedem | (9:31:13 AM) bauzas: for providing instances and aggregates knowing | 14:32 |
| mriedem | (9:31:18 AM) bauzas: to the scheduler | 14:32 |
| * alex_xu thought the multiple schedulers is ok, only have problem when resource starve | 14:33 | |
| bauzas | mriedem: talking of https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/client/query.py#L41 | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess we added more stuff into that | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: if you stack, you are always resource starved | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | related to https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/rpcapi.py#L134 | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | macsz: sounds like we are a cycle too soon for that spec | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but good to aim that way sooner rather than later | 14:34 |
| mriedem | i added some godaddy ops guys, | 14:34 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: tbc, I'm agreing with you | 14:34 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ah, i got the point, but the nova-scheduler is stack? | 14:35 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: for the direction | 14:35 |
| mriedem | because the size of the conductor service has come up over time in the ops ml | 14:35 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: depends on config | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: you can go both ways, there is a config to choose | 14:35 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we don't honestly need a separate RPC service for running filters | 14:35 |
| macsz | johnthetubaguy: well, better start sooner than later :) | 14:35 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I'm just trying to put my thoughts for explaining the tech debtt | 14:35 |
| bauzas | ie. how to go from here to there :) | 14:35 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: this is why i was saying i hope these conditions are all clearly documented somewhere, which i don't think they are | 14:35 |
| bauzas | but I'm definitely +1 on the idea to merge the scheduler | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: its fair we have a general process size issue | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 for better dev focused docs on this | 14:36 |
| alex_xu | yea, I always thought I clear about all of that, for now, I think no :( | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: if you can find any existing docs on guidelines about when you can or shouldn't run multiple schedulers, that'd be helpful, | 14:37 |
| mriedem | if you can't find that, we should doc it | 14:37 |
| mriedem | superdan pointed out something to me last week wrt multiple schedulers and using ironic, and why you can't, | 14:37 |
| bauzas | mriedem: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/scheduler_evolution.html#parallelism-and-concurrency | 14:37 |
| mriedem | something with the hacks we were talking about last week | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: which points to http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/approved/parallel-scheduler.html | 14:38 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: ^ worth reading | 14:38 |
| mriedem | but if i'm not using NUMA or i'm using spread vs pack, then... | 14:38 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: thanks | 14:38 |
| mriedem | or i'm using ironic, | 14:38 |
| mriedem | we could expand that doc a bit | 14:38 |
| bauzas | mriedem: of course, we can document that further | 14:39 |
| bauzas | ideally in the ops guide | 14:39 |
| bauzas | running multiple schedulers can be acceptable *if you know the limitations* | 14:39 |
| mriedem | yeah, i don't know the limitations :) | 14:39 |
| mriedem | hence why i'm asking for docs | 14:39 |
| mriedem | but anyway | 14:40 |
| bauzas | a large cloud with good capacity is reasonable to run multiple schedulers | 14:40 |
| mriedem | i'll take a todo to sort through the docs | 14:40 |
| bauzas | a small cloud using NUMA or Ironic isn't :) | 14:40 |
| mriedem | i also wonder how valid http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/approved/parallel-scheduler.html is anymore | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: it was written pre-placement | 14:40 |
| mriedem | that's what i mean, | 14:40 |
| bauzas | and I guess jaypipes never revisited it | 14:40 |
| mriedem | lots of this is probably old | 14:40 |
| bauzas | well, there are still some idea that are valuable | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | if we consider placement as not being feature-parity with scheduler/conductor, which is what I think | 14:41 |
| bauzas | placement is good for getting a list of hosts | 14:41 |
| bauzas | but then we could still having filters/weighters | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | using the conductor if we merge mid-term johnthetubaguy's spec, which I agree | 14:42 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:42 |
| mriedem | i've got a todo written down, | 14:42 |
| mriedem | i'll bug people later | 14:42 |
| bauzas | just saying those are the docs describing the current problems with the scheduler | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like time to refresh something | 14:43 |
| bauzas | I still need to log my comments on johnthetubaguy's spec :) | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | could help us with the claims discussions | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | its macsz's spec now | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | like I say, sounds like something for next cycle, or something we need more work to make it possible | 14:43 |
| bauzas | yeah, hence me pushing for scheduler claims, not placement claims | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | or both | 14:43 |
| bauzas | scheduler using placement for that tho | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I have lost track of the claims debates myself | 14:44 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the main debate was about why we should merge that *before* placement cut | 14:44 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: it's here: https://review.openstack.org/437424 | 14:44 |
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| bauzas | I was long-opposed to the idea of scheduler claims, but now I see placement, I think it could be nice using placement for having scheduler claims | 14:45 |
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| bauzas | so I turned my opinion | 14:46 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:46 |
| bauzas | 15 mins to the ned | 14:46 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:46 |
| bauzas | and I'm diverting | 14:46 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:46 |
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| edleafe | Didn't see any new ones. | 14:46 |
| edleafe | Anything to discuss about bugs? | 14:46 |
| macsz | did not see anything worth as well, but i just started my day :) | 14:47 |
| edleafe | ok then | 14:47 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:47 |
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| edleafe | What's on your mind? | 14:47 |
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| * edleafe only hears crickets | 14:48 | |
| edleafe | Guess that's a wrap. Back to work/sleep/fun! | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 14:49:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-27-14.00.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-27-14.00.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-27-14.00.log.html | 14:49 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 15:01:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:01 |
| manjeets_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
| sshank | o/ | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | nothing specific to upgrades, just a note that Pike-1 is in 2-3 weeks. it doesn't change much in what we do and track, so moving on. | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Linuxbridge multinode grenade job | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: your stage | 15:03 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, tried couple of things there | 15:03 |
| manjeets_ | forcing concurrency = 2 | 15:03 |
| manjeets_ | seems like that is not the issue | 15:03 |
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| manjeets_ | I've increased the test timeout but unfortunately did not get job placed on rax node yet | 15:04 |
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| manjeets_ | i've checked timestamps it is taking so much time to bring up fip and test timesout | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's say you indeed see that it shows up on rax only. what next? you can't just stop landing the job there, right? | 15:05 |
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| manjeets_ | it fails only on rax-node cloud, I've made one other patch dependent on patch where I exported increased time out | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: how do you know that it indeed takes long to set up fip? do you see router updates slowly handled? | 15:05 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys, I checked timestamps from tests | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I mean in agent logs | 15:05 |
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| manjeets_ | and compared when it succeed vs fail | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | well tempest output won't show you if FIP is configured by the agent or now | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | *or not | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | to know that, you may need to find exact place in the agent log where the router update event corresponding to FIP creation/attachment is handled in agent side | 15:06 |
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| manjeets_ | ohk I'll check l3 agents logs today | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | cool, let me know if you struggle finding where the router update event handler is on the agent side | 15:08 |
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| manjeets_ | ok | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Mixed server versions | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | I had an action item to follow up here, writing the spec. it's still not in gerrit. :-x | 15:10 |
| * ihrachys was consumed by other internal matters for most of the week | 15:10 | |
| ihrachys | also dolphm in the RFE expressed some questions about how critical the proposal is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1672852 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672852 in neutron "[RFE] Make controllers with different list of supported API extensions to behave identically" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:11 |
| electrocucaracha | but at least it's only matters of provide documentation for deployers right? | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | suggesting affinity aware LBs used in all production envs | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: no I am talking about the RFE ^ | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | something internal to neutron-server that makes all cluster nodes to report identical /extensions/ | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: also has concerns about the complexity of this thing. I guess we will need to resolve those in gerrit when the spec is up. | 15:13 |
| manjeets_ | afaik spec or rfe for maintaining minimum subset of extensions b/w mixed versions | 15:13 |
| manjeets_ | right ? | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | yes | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | there is also somewhat related online data migration CLI command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I reviewed it like 15 mins before the meeting :) | 15:16 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: just caught up on your comments in that bug; i just wanted to voice alternative approaches and see the pro's and con's weighed out, not push you toward one solution. it sounds like your approach is pretty welll thought out as-is | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: there is definitely some code polishing to do in the implementation, also the mechanism of registering new migrations is not ideal, we will need to open it for external plugins. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: I will try to capture your comment in the spec and will reach out to you for feedback. | 15:17 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: i'm not sure i've seen the spec; link? | 15:18 |
| dolphm | (it's not linked in the bug) | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: there is none just yet | 15:18 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: gotcha | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | it's in progress | 15:18 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: yeah, ping me when it's up for review | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: ok, I'm going to check your comments and thanks dolphm for the feedback on that patch | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: what I basically wanted for the plugins is so that we don't need to modify the tool when an external plugin wants to define their own migration | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | ack, thanks for working on it | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Object implementation (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:19 | |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | quotas landed: https://review.openstack.org/338625 | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | also gate fix for unit tests landed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447600/ | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | there is also LIKE patch that we wanted to get back but I failed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | I see electrocucaracha left some comments, nice | 15:21 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I haven't had time to review or create an UT for unique keys test data generation | 15:23 |
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| electrocucaracha | and in terms of metrics we have 82% of the model classes have their corresponding OVO class merged in master | 15:25 |
| electrocucaracha | and 53% are using OVO to do CRUD operations | 15:25 |
| * electrocucaracha long journey | 15:25 | |
| ihrachys | well not that bad, I thought it's lower ;) | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | gotta get more serious about NetworkSegment, SG and such | 15:26 |
| * manjeets_ thought it must be around 65 for usage | 15:26 | |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: well, actually Allocation and Endponits will give us more | 15:27 |
| electrocucaracha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810/ | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | it's WIP | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: are you working on it? | 15:29 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: Yeah I am working on it | 15:29 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: I put a WIP for the lock mode. Will respin it this week and complete it | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | I see it's still using locsk | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | yea | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ok, send it my way when ready | 15:30 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: ack | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other patches on review (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:31 | |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22UpgradeImpact%22+project:openstack/neutron | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | the haproxy switch gone in, so no longer in the query | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | there is nothing else to discuss here really, let's move on | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | #topic Review priorities for the week | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I figured it helps to have that discussion weekly | 15:32 |
| manjeets_ | review priorities discussion ? | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: definitely, | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ofc, the spec for /extensions handling for mixed server versions and the CLI are in the focus: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: yes | 15:33 |
| manjeets_ | ++ | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I was checking the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | beyond, that, realistically, we should be able to land the LIKE support: https://review.openstack.org/419152 and maybe endpoints if dasanind is quick to respin: https://review.openstack.org/367810 | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | all of those are still work in progress | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | anything ready to land NOW? | 15:34 |
| sshank | Router Extra Attrs integration seems like its ready. | 15:35 |
| sshank | Is it in priority? | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | I remember that Meterings was fine, but I need to address the dasm comments | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | sshank: it's not priority but if it's ready it can get focused attention | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | the link to extra_attrs patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381209/ | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350387/? it's abandoned | 15:36 |
| dasm | ihrachys: i think electrocucaracha mentioned about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433125/ | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | oh ok | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: for no reason he abandoned but I reopened a new one ^^ | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | what's the relation to the former? | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | ok we will need to maintain the authorship | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | Co-Authored-By | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: well, he decided to abandoned because he was not doing anything | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I took that patch since the beginning | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | but I can add his name | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: sure. all I am saying is, if you reused the code, make sure the author is mentioned in the commit message | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: ok, no problem | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok I think realistically it's already more than enough to review for the week | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | anything specific to discuss that was not covered in any other section? | 15:41 |
| sshank | ihrachys, I think the error similar to session expunge in port binding level is seen in router l3 binding integration as well. | 15:41 |
| electrocucaracha | talking about dates, when starts the next release? | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you mean Queens? it's like +6 months since PTG | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | which was a month ago | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | sshank: ack | 15:43 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: ok, in that case we still have time for landing more patches, as long as we keep the same cadence | 15:44 |
| manjeets_ | electrocucaracha, ++ | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | + | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | ok let's use the 15 mins for something useful like drinking coffee ;) | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 15:45 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
| manjeets_ | thanks | 15:46 |
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| sshank | Thanks ihrachys | 15:46 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 15:46:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-27-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-27-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-27-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
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| dasanind | thanks | 15:46 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 20:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | hi hockeynut! | 20:00 |
| namnh | hi everyone | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | greetings and salutations! | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hi namnh | 20:01 |
| jackie-truong | Hi everyone | 20:01 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| * hockeynut has to disappear in 30 mins for another meeting - sadness | 20:01 | |
| dave-mccowan | hockeynut i saw you at the ptg, but when i went looking for you again to say hi, you'd already left town. | 20:01 |
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| hockeynut | we were only allowed to go for Mon and Tues :-( Budgets suck... | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | thanks for coming everyone! our agenda is in the usual place: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic backlog review | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "backlog review (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| dave-mccowan | we're making great progress on both bugs and reviews. the queues are shrinking every week. :-) | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | i don't have much else to say on that, except Thanks! | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Pike Status | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike Status (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| namnh | :-) | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | We have two weeks left until Milestone 1. We've already got a bunch stuff in and more in progress. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/pike-1 | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | the second link shows what we've schedule for Pike 1. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | the first link is our plan for Pike overall. | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | does anyone have an update on their work items? | 20:06 |
| kfarr | The KMIP gate check merged (yay!) | 20:07 |
| kfarr | Is there a way you want to cross things off the pike tracker etherpad? | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr \o/ | 20:07 |
| kfarr | Or otherwise note that they've been completed? | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | i added a new gate job for functional tests on python 3. it's part of a "community goal" for Pike. i fixed one bug, and have the functional tests running locally. the gate job still isn't working yet... i'm working on the yaml foo to fix it. | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | kfarr yes, let's update this etherpad with status as we go. | 20:09 |
| kfarr | +1 +1 | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | i think we've already done more this cycle than last, :-) but let's keep at it... the summit is taking a big bite out of the middle of the schedule this time. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh how are upgrades looking? | 20:11 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: I think I have a good process for the feature :) | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh thanks for working on this. we'll get another point on the maturity index when you're done. :-) | 20:12 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan, kfarr: by the way, could you please review and leave your comment on two patch set: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449022/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447689/ | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | any thing else pike related? | 20:13 |
| kfarr | Oh, yes, namh, I had a question about the grenade gate | 20:13 |
| kfarr | Did you want the Barbican functional tests to run, or the Barbican tempest plugin? Or both? | 20:14 |
| namnh | kfarr: I mean do you need run barbican tempest during offline upgrade using grenade? | 20:14 |
| namnh | s/you/we/ | 20:15 |
| kfarr | I am not sure | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | does anyone know what other project typically do with grenade to verify it "worked"? | 20:16 |
| namnh | kfarr: as your comment on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446870/ | 20:16 |
| kfarr | My understanding is that for the core services, the grenade tests will launch a stable devstack, migrate to the latest dev version, then run the tempest tests | 20:17 |
| hockeynut | dave-mccowan its normally tempest tests run before and after the upgrade | 20:17 |
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| hockeynut | note that grenade isn't going to be useful for rolling or zero downtime upgrades - the OSIC team is working on a replacement tool | 20:18 |
| kfarr | So we can run the barbican tempest plugin tests, but also I thought the barbican functional tests would be more thorough | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr i agree, functional tests would give better coverage. | 20:20 |
| hockeynut | no reason you can't put up a CR for grenade to add the barbican functional tests - I am sure others do something similiar | 20:20 |
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| dave-mccowan | if we do a cross project tempest run, would we also need to upgrade the other projects? | 20:20 |
| kfarr | We probably do? | 20:21 |
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| dave-mccowan | let's take this question back to the barbican channel. i think we need to dig more into what the normal workflow is for upgrade testing. | 20:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | moving on... | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic summit | 20:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | the summit has two parts: The main summit and a new thing, The Forum, that's kind of a skinny design summit. | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | For the Forum, Barbican has one session confirmed: an onboarding room to meet/greet and help new contributors get started. | 20:24 |
| hockeynut | gee, what if they scrap the PTG idea and just combine it with the Forum/Summit? Then everyone is in the same place at the same time? :-) | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | I have submitted a request for an additional Fishbowl session. I requested it genericly: "Key Management Contributor/Operator/Community Discussion", or something like that. | 20:25 |
| dave-mccowan | I think there are another couple days to submit other suggestions, if you have any. | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | the link in the email list. if you want it and can't find it, let me know. | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | does anyone want to discuss our other Summit presentation? i think between us, barbicaneers have 4 sessions to prepare for summit. | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Any Other Business | 20:29 |
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| dave-mccowan | OK. We'll wrap up for this week. Thanks everyone! | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 20:31:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-27-20.00.html | 20:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-27-20.00.txt | 20:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-27-20.00.log.html | 20:31 |
| namnh | thank dave-mccowan | 20:32 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 21:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| shamail | Hi, anyone here for the PWG meeting? | 21:00 |
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| shamail | Hi GeraldK | 21:00 |
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| GeraldK | hi | 21:01 |
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| shamail | Seems like we have 4-5 people here so far.. let’s give it another minute or two. | 21:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:02 |
| AndyU | okeydokey | 21:02 |
| AndyU | Hi Megan :) | 21:02 |
| MeganR | Hi AndyU! | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Alrighty | 21:03 |
| shamail | Who’s here for the PWG meeting? | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic roll call | 21:03 |
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| GeraldK | o/ | 21:03 |
| AndyU | hi all | 21:03 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | Agenda for today: | 21:04 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:04 |
| shamail | #topic Recap from Ops midcycle | 21:04 |
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| shamail | A bunch of us were in Milan the week before last for the Product WG midcycle and Ops meetup | 21:04 |
| shamail | The meetup was well-attended and an overall great event | 21:04 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 21:05 |
| shamail | In this etherpad, there are links to etherpads from all the sessions in case you want to catch up | 21:05 |
| shamail | We also discussed using ‘hash tags’ to identify items that require follow-up and Leong created a small program to parse through etherpads and extract them | 21:06 |
| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B733UR8kbomaSVhqQ3Y4NkFxTmc | 21:06 |
| jamemcc | o/ Jamey here as well | 21:06 |
| shamail | Hi jamemcc | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:06 |
| shamail | In the linked folder, we have each hash-tag in a separate file along with line number information from the etherpad in which it was referenced | 21:07 |
| shamail | This is still a work in progress but it is a good starting point towards being able to aggregate feedback from etherpads at events like the Ops meetup and Forum | 21:07 |
| shamail | Does anyone who was at the ops meetup want to give their perspective on the event or areas/sessions they found enlightening? | 21:08 |
| shamail | I personally thought the container sessions (both running containers on OpenStack or running OpenStack on containers) were interesting.. it seemed like there was a lot of discussion happening on the topics but few adopters so far | 21:09 |
| GeraldK | from the files it looks like few projects made nice use of the hashtags | 21:09 |
| shamail | The trend for adoption seemed to be there though | 21:09 |
| shamail | Agreed GeraldK | 21:09 |
| shamail | Moving on to the PWG midcycle topic... | 21:09 |
| shamail | #topic Action item from PWG meetup | 21:10 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:10 |
| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B733UR8kbomabGpidlBBUDdNQ1E | 21:10 |
| shamail | So we used the same hashtag method for our midcycle as well and the linked google drive folder contains hashtags used in our etherpad | 21:10 |
| shamail | The PWG mid-cycle was VERY productive and we had several discussions on topics that will shape our future | 21:11 |
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| shamail | The key discussions were on evolving the roadmap process (to make it a bit more bi-directional in the future), renaming user stories, revisiting the workflow and how to foster idea submission, and how to increase participation/awareness of this WG | 21:12 |
| shamail | As you can see from the Google drive folder, most action items have owners listed so I am going to be skipping those… but I did want to bring attention to other action items that currently do not have owners. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I was impressed by HPC participation on multiple sessions. | 21:13 |
| rockyg | o/ Sorry I'm late. Involved in a deep convo | 21:13 |
| shamail | hi rockyg | 21:13 |
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| shamail | +1 Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:13 |
| shamail | Action item: Use adoption data as weight to apply on themes 100K view | 21:14 |
| shamail | So this one doesn’t have an owner but will most likely be incorporated into the bundle of ‘things to do’ for the next roadmap. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:14 |
| shamail | The general premise behind this action item is to add weights to the responses we get from projects on which themes they are pursuing | 21:14 |
| shamail | The current process counts each entry equally so if Nova, Kuryr, Zaqar say they are working on theme #1, it would show the count as 3 | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we give "core" components hight weitght? | 21:16 |
| shamail | in the future, we want to weigh the feedback so that (in the same example) it would Nova = 1 * <adoption rate> + Kuryr = 1 * adoption rate + Zaqar = 1 * adoption rate | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | just adoption rate as multiplier? | 21:16 |
| shamail | so that we say which theme was the most relevant based on the projects being adopted | 21:16 |
| shamail | Yes Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:16 |
| shamail | Adoption rate is a large part of the “core” component and therefore those lists would probably overlap | 21:17 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | so we are looking in late #s for adoption from previous released to prioritize future work? | 21:17 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I guess - as good as we can do now | 21:18 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Just for weighing the themes, not for development proposal priortization | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +2 | 21:18 |
| shamail | We can refine if we get better inputs in the future but its a good starting point without creating too much additional work | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree | 21:18 |
| shamail | Action item: Summary and next steps/ project out line & working plan: | 21:18 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTLupdatesBoston | 21:18 |
| shamail | Heidi Joy shared plans about the PTL updates track scheduled for Boston (which will replace our Design Series Webinars with PTLs) | 21:19 |
| shamail | Please add your name to the list if you would like to participate in those interviews/roadmap creation | 21:19 |
| shamail | Action item: update wiki with glossary/template-with-examples | 21:20 |
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| shamail | This one currently has no owner but the general discussion was to create examples in our wiki and repository that show what a completed development proposal (formerly called user story), tracker, gaps analysis, etc. might look like | 21:21 |
| shamail | this is to help newcomers understand those artifacts | 21:21 |
| shamail | Action item: Categorizing openstack projects | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | If nobody will take it I will see if can do on weekend. | 21:23 |
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| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky! | 21:23 |
| GeraldK | I could take the previous one on updating the Wiki with glossary/templates | 21:23 |
| shamail | #action Build sample development proposal, tracker, and gaps analysis for illustration purposes (Arkady_Kanevsky) | 21:23 |
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| shamail | #action Update wiki with Glossary and overview of templates (GeraldK) | 21:24 |
| shamail | Thanks GeraldK | 21:24 |
| shamail | The next action item is to help the OpenStack Foundation with building categories for the various OpenStack projects to make navigation simpler for new users | 21:24 |
| shamail | We will need volunteers to help with this sub-team/task | 21:25 |
| shamail | I will be glad to help with this one along with others who are interested | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | SHamail - what kind of categories you arethinking? | 21:25 |
| shamail | They already have a list of categories created, we just need to review and help simplify project descriptions where applicable | 21:25 |
| shamail | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:26 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Look at line 436 | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | got it - Configuration Management, Containers, Virtual Machines, Databases, Networking, Monitoring, Big Data, Storage, Service Catalog, etc. | 21:26 |
| shamail | That’s about it on the unassigned action items | 21:27 |
| shamail | #topic Storyboard | 21:27 |
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| shamail | In our discussion about simplifying the (initial) idea submission process, we discussed and settled on storyboard as a possible solution | 21:27 |
| shamail | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/page/about | 21:28 |
| shamail | Please look through the site to familarize yourself with it for now, but we will follow-up in a future meeting to review what works, what doesn’t, etc. | 21:28 |
| jamemcc | I joined to talk about User Story Tracker (not exaclty Storyboard, but related I believe) | 21:28 |
| shamail | Sounds good jamemcc, i’ll make sure we get to the opens so we can discuss. | 21:29 |
| jamemcc | If nothing else- to announce there is a project meeting tomorrow | 21:29 |
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| shamail | jamemcc: Go ahead and share the details | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Need to clean up defintions - It all begins with a story. A story is a bug report or proposed feature. Stories are then further split into tasks, which affect a given project and branch. | 21:30 |
| shamail | I’ll add it as ‘info’ to our log | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Need extend "proposed feature" to proposal definition. with single project feature reqyuest a subset of it | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I guess I can create a bug for it? | 21:31 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Yes, I think the current thought is to use storyboard as an area where users (not active PWG members) can post an idea and associate it with a project labelled ‘development proposal’… our team would then review that queue and the ones that seem to be a significant need will be picked up for development proposal creation by us. | 21:31 |
| jamemcc | Four User Story Tracker meeting: The open question for the project team is any enhancements needed and when / how can we get pointed at production repository. | 21:31 |
| jamemcc | Purpose: Ongoing status tracking and collaboration for the Product Working Group driven development and rollout of the User Story Tracker. Meeting will occur every 2 weeks at 2PM Pacific Time. | 21:31 |
| jamemcc | Etherpad link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/User_Story_Tracker | 21:31 |
| jamemcc | Tool link: http://featuretracker.openstack.org/ | 21:31 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/User_Story_Tracker | 21:32 |
| shamail | #link http://featuretracker.openstack.org/ | 21:32 |
| jamemcc | Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:00 PM-5:00 PM (UTC-06:00) | 21:32 |
| jamemcc | https://join.att.com/meet/jm6819/672FQ2YC | 21:32 |
| jamemcc | Web conference | 21:32 |
| jamemcc | url: https://join.att.com/meet/jm6819/672FQ2YC | 21:32 |
| shamail | #info Feature Tracker tool team meeting: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:00 PM-5:00 PM (UTC-06:00) [https://join.att.com/meet/jm6819/672FQ2YC]… Please join if able. | 21:33 |
| AndyU | We also talked about letting posting an initial abstract and get feedback on whether or not it was worth putting in the further effort. Or will it be eclipsed by other priorities. | 21:33 |
| shamail | AndyU: +1 | 21:33 |
| jamemcc | #link https://join.att.com/meet/jm6819/672FQ2YC | 21:33 |
| shamail | The submission into storyboard is an entry point into gauging broader need for an idea… if it doesn’t get much traction then we will note that in the submission comments | 21:33 |
| AndyU | I'm very motivated to help with the Dev Proposal (aka Story) process enhancements. Having to multi-task in two meetings right now so not following the PTG meeting very well. | 21:34 |
| shamail | Thanks jamemcc, I think it would be good to get a demo scheduled for those that are interested in the Feature Tracker to see if there are any remaining gaps/enhancements that could be made for V1 | 21:34 |
| shamail | No problem AndyU, I was just sharing Storyboard with everyone for familiarity… we can dive deeper into the impact on process in a future meeting. | 21:35 |
| shamail | Okay to move to the next topic? | 21:35 |
| AndyU | Thx. Just would like to pitch in. Don't want to miss it ;-) | 21:35 |
| rockyg | jamemcc, also, is there a link to a wiki page or a calendar that hast the meeting info on it? Be nice to be able to bookmark the meeting info. | 21:35 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1! jamemcc: It might be good to add a page to our wiki on Feature Tracker | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Adding the pointer from agenda wiki page will be goode for storyboard item | 21:36 |
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| jamemcc | Sure - I will | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 21:37 |
| shamail | jamemcc: Making it a sub-page here might be ideal [https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories] | 21:37 |
| jamemcc | #action Jamey to update PWG wiki for Feature Tracker project meetings | 21:37 |
| AndyU | +1 to adding more detail to wiki on all facets of Dev Proposal workflow | 21:37 |
| shamail | #action Update PWG wiki to add a page on Feature Tracker and meeting info (jamemcc) | 21:37 |
| shamail | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:38 |
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| shamail | Copy Fial. | 21:38 |
| shamail | Fail* | 21:38 |
| shamail | #topic Forum session submission | 21:38 |
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| shamail | #info Deadline for Forum Topic submissions is 11:59PM UTC on SUNDAY April 2nd | 21:38 |
| shamail | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 21:39 |
| shamail | #action User Story owners should submit a forum session for their respective stories (all user story owners) | 21:39 |
| shamail | If anyone has additional ideas, please submit them as well. | 21:39 |
| shamail | I think we had discussed submitting a session on PWG overview and workflow. | 21:40 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Did you volunteer to submit that one? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Yes. I have it in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming | 21:40 |
| shamail | Also, please note that if you submitted a topic to the brainstorming etherpad for the Forum that it won’t be automatically transferred into the tool | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Need to formally submit it. | 21:40 |
| shamail | Please take any ideas from the etherpad to formal submission via the tool | 21:41 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:41 |
| AndyU | I have a few to submit yet | 21:41 |
| shamail | Awesome AndyU, you have a few days left :) | 21:41 |
| shamail | Anything else on this topic? | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Actual proposal is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-PTG-proactive linek from BOS-UC-brainstorming one as agreed | 21:41 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: thanks! | 21:42 |
| AndyU | When we do, what's expected? An abstract, create an etherpad(?) for the session, etc? | 21:42 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming | 21:42 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-PTG-proactive | 21:42 |
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| shamail | An abstract is ideal, etherpads can be created after the session is accepted BUT if you already have an etherpad on the topic (like Arkady_Kanevsky just linked) then I would recommend including it in the abstract to show the discussions already happening | 21:43 |
| shamail | AndyU: ^ | 21:43 |
| AndyU | thx! | 21:43 |
| shamail | #topic Vote on biweekly dial-in and IRC meeting | 21:43 |
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| GeraldK | do we have a list of owners for the different user stories? | 21:44 |
| shamail | GeraldK: Good question, we did at one point: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories/Rolling_Upgrades | 21:44 |
| shamail | but those pages are out-dated | 21:44 |
| shamail | We know who are the owners but, to your point, there is no wiki page as a “source of truth” | 21:45 |
| shamail | might be worth adding as well | 21:45 |
| GeraldK | I see team members, but no "owner". | 21:45 |
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| shamail | Kenny is the owner, but to your point, not noted as such on the page | 21:45 |
| GeraldK | we should capture the owners to avoid submission overlaps or no submission as no one felt like the owner | 21:45 |
| AndyU | yes | 21:46 |
| shamail | I think we should probably remove the user story sub-pages and add a general one with a list of stories (link to the actual entry in the repo) along with the owner | 21:46 |
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| GeraldK | shamail: +1 | 21:46 |
| shamail | #action Remove user story sub-pages and add a new page that lists user story link and owner information (shamail) | 21:46 |
| shamail | I can handle that one | 21:47 |
| GeraldK | I can do this as part of the Wiki updates assigned to me earlier on in this meeting | 21:47 |
| shamail | Oh cool | 21:47 |
| AndyU | also need to be able to reflect some sense of if it's moving forward or lagging. Also Priority | 21:47 |
| GeraldK | okay | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:47 |
| shamail | Let me know if you need to know who the owners are via email | 21:47 |
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| shamail | #action Remove user story sub-pages and add a new page that lists user story link and owner information (GeraldK as a part of the other wiki AI) | 21:47 |
| GeraldK | shamail: yes. can you pls share via email? | 21:47 |
| shamail | Will do | 21:47 |
| GeraldK | AndyU: +1 | 21:48 |
| shamail | #action email list of user story owners to GeraldK (shamail/leong) | 21:48 |
| shamail | AndyU: That is where the Feature Tracker comes into play… up to the completion of gaps analysis, we have to relay on data from Gerrit, etc. | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and what do we do with stories with no owners (owner left PTG)? | 21:48 |
| GeraldK | AndyU: however, I am not sure we should capture this on the Wiki page as this information is too dynamic | 21:48 |
| shamail | After that, we can use the Feature Tracker to see if its active | 21:48 |
| AndyU | We should think about how we can assess/provide priority. Via action of UC, TC, Board? Community voting? User Survey? | 21:49 |
| shamail | GeraldK: +1 | 21:49 |
| AndyU | Yes, to big for just a wiki page at this point :-) | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That why we had a subpages in the first place | 21:49 |
| AndyU | Just suggesting we do some more brainstoriming around that | 21:49 |
| shamail | AndyU: That is a difficult topic since user stories generally move forward when someone volunteers to “own” it.. The only way to get external prioritization is if we basically agree that we will staff user stories based on the prioritized list that is determined by whatever means | 21:50 |
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| shamail | I think this is where the “Feature Triage” team will play a role but details for that don’t exist yet | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I htink we had categorization of 3 stories in driven state others ad hoc | 21:50 |
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| shamail | We do Arkady_Kanevsky but my point was that those states are a result of who is willing work on a user story and not necessarily based on the priority of the feature being delivered | 21:51 |
| AndyU | Understood. But I think they need some kind of legitimation. Something to help motivate projects to support them. Else only Owners who can do it all on their own (like OSIC maybe) will be successful. | 21:51 |
| rocky_g | sorry. got disconnected and missed the previous 5 minutes. | 21:51 |
| shamail | AndyU: +1000 | 21:51 |
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| shamail | It would be much better to have an external review of the list of stories being worked on | 21:51 |
| rocky_g | I think feature triage will be important to move forward faster. | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail it was a combinatoin of both: owner willingness tpo drive and prioritization. | 21:51 |
| shamail | This is something we can definitely discuss again in a future meeting (large topic) and continue in our next face to face as well. | 21:52 |
| shamail | #action Add discussion on story staffing, prioritization/drivers to a future PWG meeting | 21:53 |
| AndyU | We could also use priorities that get identified as a basis for requesting Dev proposals if not exist to address the need yet. | 21:53 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:53 |
| shamail | #topic opens | 21:53 |
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| shamail | Do we have anything else to discuss? | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to drop - have a great day everbody | 21:54 |
| shamail | The prioritization topic needs to be a future topic because it will take awhile :) | 21:54 |
| AndyU | We discussed starting to have some voice meetings. Those big brainstorming topics would be good for that format. | 21:54 |
| shamail | AndyU: +1 | 21:54 |
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| rocky_g | +100 | 21:55 |
| shamail | Will have to send an email to gauge whether people prefer a bi-weekly IRC/voice cadence or just IRC (we don’t have enough members in the meeting today) | 21:55 |
| GeraldK | can someone have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434577/ | 21:55 |
| shamail | It is always an option to setup one-off phone meetings too… we normally do this for roadmap or other sub-team activities | 21:55 |
| shamail | #action Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434577/ | 21:56 |
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| shamail | I put it down GeraldK so that I remember | 21:56 |
| GeraldK | thanks shamail | 21:56 |
| shamail | Thank you everyone! | 21:56 |
| shamail | Have a great evening/day | 21:56 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 21:57:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-27-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-27-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-03-27-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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| GeraldK | bye everyone. | 21:57 |
| shamail | bye | 21:57 |
| rocky_g | Thanks! | 21:57 |
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| AndyU | Bye!! :) | 21:57 |
| Shrews | jeblair: before you start, https://review.openstack.org/447814 has nothing to do with nodepool :) (bad link on the agenda) | 22:00 |
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| pabelanger | ohai | 22:00 |
| jhesketh | Howdy | 22:00 |
| fungi | ohai | 22:00 |
| jesusaur | hullo | 22:00 |
| * clarkb is around | 22:00 | |
| * fungi notices pabelanger already ohai'd, so switches to 'allo | 22:01 | |
| SpamapS | ahoy! | 22:01 |
| jeblair | Shrews: thanks, fixed :) | 22:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 22:01:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | oh whoops | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul#Agenda_for_next_meeting agenda | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-20-22.02.html previous meeting | 22:02 |
| jeblair | mordred to let ppl know when to review changes he's working on that the details are long to share while metal tubing | 22:02 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think that was you were expecting to hack on the nodepool-zk shim and ping us when ready | 22:02 |
| jeblair | i don't remember being pinged, so i guess that didn't happen | 22:03 |
| mordred | yes - this is correct | 22:03 |
| mordred | I was goign to work on that, and worked on other things instead - I now expect to hack on the shim _this_ week | 22:03 |
| jeblair | okay | 22:04 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure it's useful to re-action that | 22:04 |
| jeblair | if a shim shows up one day, that's great. | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates (nodepool) | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | that's the status of the shim i guess :) | 22:05 |
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| mordred | the shim loves you all | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | i put a bunch of things on the agenda which i thought we should make sure to make progress on this week | 22:06 |
| jeblair | they all merged | 22:06 |
| jeblair | so, neat trick. i'll have to try that again. | 22:06 |
| mordred | \o/ | 22:06 |
| Shrews | not all | 22:06 |
| Shrews | docs changes are still up | 22:06 |
| Shrews | but some of those merged | 22:06 |
| mordred | Shrews: ssssshhhhhh | 22:07 |
| pabelanger | I can review again | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/447647 legacy openstack setting removed | 22:07 |
| Shrews | At SpamapS's's'ss urging, I went through the current nodepool docs and made several updates. Those are the result | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | lovely | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/448814 update nodepool config syntax | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | I'll try urging more too | 22:08 |
| jeblair | those are the ones that merged | 22:08 |
| jeblair | (those are the tips of stacks of related changes -- so those were significant efforts) | 22:08 |
| jeblair | just like the docs changes | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: Shrews: trivial, but did we want make the zookeeper host settings the same between zuul and nodepool? because today are a little different | 22:08 |
| jeblair | which we should be able to merge now: | 22:08 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/449140 nodepool docs changes | 22:08 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: yeah, it would be nice if we can normalize that. | 22:09 |
| Shrews | pabelanger: what's different? | 22:09 |
| jeblair | there was some technical obstacle to using nodepool's way in zuul which i don't recall | 22:09 |
| jeblair | Shrews: nodepool has a data structure in yaml, zuul has a connect string. iirc | 22:10 |
| clarkb | if I haven't flipped things around zuul's way was chosen ebcause that way we didn't have to construct the string for kazoo for it | 22:10 |
| jeblair | oh! | 22:10 |
| clarkb | and we did that because zuul's config is ini | 22:10 |
| jeblair | it's because zuul uses ini conf files | 22:10 |
| jeblair | ya | 22:10 |
| clarkb | we could do the same for nodepool just store string in yaml | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | zuul: zookeeper_hosts=127.0.0.1:2181,example.org:2181 | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | nodepool is list | 22:11 |
| jeblair | also, when we consider that we may need to put ZK credentials in the nodepool secret file, that may affect what we want to do too. | 22:11 |
| clarkb | ya its a yaml list of all the things that get concatenated together tiwh commas to pass to kazoo | 22:11 |
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| Shrews | if we do the secrets thing for nodepool, the structure still seems best IMO | 22:12 |
| Shrews | but i'm not strongly tied to i | 22:13 |
| Shrews | t | 22:13 |
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| jeblair | so maybe we should poke at doing zk authentication while keeping this in mind. | 22:13 |
| Shrews | speaking of which, the nodepool secrets file is now optional | 22:14 |
| pabelanger | I can poke at zk auth things | 22:14 |
| Shrews | b/c there is nothing read from it :) | 22:14 |
| Shrews | pabelanger: awesome. thx | 22:14 |
| clarkb | do we want to keep it optional and allow unauthenticated zk going forward? | 22:15 |
| clarkb | (I don't actually knwo) | 22:15 |
| mordred | unauth zk for people running a local nodepool might be nice | 22:15 |
| pabelanger | ya | 22:15 |
| mordred | like, if you wante to run a nodepool in your house for some reason | 22:15 |
| rbergeron | (who wouldn't?) | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | my house is a node pool | 22:15 |
| mordred | (this is probably more important for zuul all-in-one on a laptop) | 22:15 |
| jeblair | i think optional authentication is probably okay. i think we should at least use ssl in openstack-infra. possibly auth. | 22:16 |
| jeblair | i also am somewhat more inclined than previously to have things like zk connection info in a separate config file from the image/provider config. | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | sure | 22:17 |
| jeblair | i was hopeful we could drop the 'secrets' file entirely, but i doubt we will be able to do that. | 22:18 |
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| fungi | it's nice to be able to rely on unix file permissions to protect things which absolutely need it without protecting lots of other things that don | 22:18 |
| fungi | 't | 22:18 |
| jeblair | anyway, we can bikeshed on that later, anything else we should cover on nodepool? | 22:19 |
| jeblair | #action pabelanger look at zk authentication for nodepool | 22:19 |
| jeblair | #info consider reconciling nodepool and zuul zookeeper configuration syntaxes | 22:19 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Devstack-gate roles refactoring) | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | did anyone want to push on this or should we skip to next topic? | 22:20 |
| clarkb | one thing | 22:20 |
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| clarkb | related to this we broke third party CIs | 22:20 |
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| clarkb | I haven't looked to see if the old code would've broken them too (likely) | 22:20 |
| clarkb | but just something to keep in mind as review happens for these | 22:21 |
| jeblair | i think it's premature to say this broke third party cis | 22:21 |
| jeblair | but i agree that is worth keeping in mind | 22:21 |
| clarkb | ya I think it likely the old code would've broken on them too | 22:21 |
| clarkb | I just haven't had a chance to check | 22:22 |
| jeblair | third-party ci operators are welcome to participate in this and review code | 22:22 |
| jeblair | (i think we've been pretty clear that we're happy to accomodate the use case in devstack-gate but we will not take operational responsibility for 100 ci systems on our own) | 22:23 |
| fungi | clarkb: actually, if this is the change i think you're talking about, it was part of a series to try to fix the pbr integration tests | 22:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes, but only the first chagne was needed to fix pbr | 22:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: the code that broke ci was our network ping test which now failed after we checked return codes | 22:24 |
| jeblair | but back to the topic -- last week we agreed this was important, but i'm not sure we signed anyone up to drive it. | 22:24 |
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| clarkb | the current change to do network overlays is really close | 22:25 |
| jeblair | should we do that now, or should we revisit how important we think it is? | 22:25 |
| clarkb | If someone wants to pick it up I can help with it | 22:25 |
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| clarkb | I can also push patches if someone else wants to review the cahnges | 22:25 |
| clarkb | but so far I haven't seen a ton of interest in reviewin them (by cores at least) | 22:25 |
| jeblair | would anyone like to volunteer for either of those things? | 22:27 |
| pabelanger | are we at the step where we want to run devstack (current layout) under zuulv3? | 22:27 |
| clarkb | old code would've broken too | 22:27 |
| jeblair | i don't think so | 22:27 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: ^ | 22:27 |
| clarkb | it relied on region and cloud being set in the /etc/nodepool/provider file which doesn't necessarily imply mirror exists | 22:27 |
| jeblair | this is still trying to get it organized into roles so that we can have a first-rate example of how we think a complex job can be set up | 22:28 |
| jeblair | this is something we've all said we want and is important | 22:28 |
| jeblair | so i'd love it if someone would volunteer for one of those things | 22:28 |
| jeblair | but i'm not going to pretend it's a priority if no one is going to do it, so if no one steps up now, i'm dropping it from the agenda and moving it to backlog on the board. | 22:29 |
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| jhesketh | I'd like to help but I don't think I understand the parts well enough sorry | 22:30 |
| fungi | it's worth noting that the early changes serve as good examples for how to split more of it up | 22:30 |
| pabelanger | if we are not going to do more tox jobs or other jobs for openstack-infra, I can start working on devstack | 22:31 |
| fungi | and we have loads of testing (granted we react retroactively to third-party breakage) | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | I would have like to get another project going and iterate on our stdlib for tox | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | but if devstack is important, I can shift | 22:31 |
| fungi | so you can mostly know if what you're splitting out will change overall behavior | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | if not devstack, I was planning on working on our roles for nodepool / zuul / etc all in one | 22:33 |
| jeblair | that's pretty important too | 22:33 |
| jeblair | i thought we had more folks interested in writing ansible | 22:33 |
| pabelanger | I would prefer to focus on that | 22:33 |
| jeblair | we've been on this topic for 14 minutes and no one has said "i volunteer to drive this" | 22:34 |
| * rbergeron would think more folks might be interested in writing ansible as well -- maybe we are not being explicit enough? | 22:35 | |
| rbergeron | (not that i'm biased or anything) | 22:35 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: maybe they aren't showing up to this meeting or otherwise participating | 22:35 |
| jeblair | we've been pretty clear about this topic when it's come up in prior meetings and other areas | 22:35 |
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| Shrews | an email to the ML for volunteers? | 22:35 |
| clarkb | fwiw I'm happy to help, but so far have done so as a reviewer and actually think careful independent review has been good on this task so far | 22:35 |
| jeblair | it's strictly ansible work; almost nothing to do with zuul at all | 22:36 |
| clarkb | so don't want to transitition to writing the patches unless someone lese is willing to also do the review | 22:36 |
| clarkb | but happy to do either task if someone else will do the other :) | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | I can help review | 22:36 |
| jeblair | Shrews: yeah, let's send an email to the ML | 22:36 |
| rbergeron | i just wonder if ... people know that's the possibility at hand and/or understand that perhaps other perceptions about "the bar is xyz high" ... is not so high for this? i would think maybe asking at least hte openstack-ansible folks, kolla folks, bifrost folks, etc. might yield some humans :) | 22:36 |
| clarkb | I think part of it for the osa/kolla/et al folks is devstack is such a dirty word | 22:37 |
| fungi | we have a big, complex shell script (well, okay it;s a couple of shell scripts) that need ansibling. sounds pretty compelling anyway ;) | 22:37 |
| clarkb | even though this really doesn't have much to do with devstack | 22:37 |
| rbergeron | i mean there's a pretty decently sized # of ansible users (who would probably also be great as far as sanity checking anyway) | 22:37 |
| rbergeron | clarkb: yeah, but i think they all <3 ansible enough that... yeah. i think they all know how this benefits a lot of folks. | 22:37 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: do you want to see if you can wrangle anyone via ML, etc? | 22:37 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: i can do that -- is ML really the best place for that? | 22:38 |
| rocky_g | cc the operators list on the email. They may be willing... | 22:38 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: i have no idea :| | 22:38 |
| * rbergeron hesitates to be like "hey ansible this stuff we need halp" because .. i mean, all projects always need help | 22:38 | |
| rbergeron | but I am sure i can figure out the appropriate wording for such things | 22:39 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: if you want to wrangle by asking people behind the scenes, that's fine too | 22:39 |
| rbergeron | and am always unafraid of looking silly anyway, mostly | 22:39 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: i may do that first -- i do have the mental list of humans | 22:39 |
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| jeblair | i'm just at a place where there's this think we pretend is a priority every week during this meeting and nothing's moving. so i'm going to stop pretending. | 22:39 |
| * rbergeron nods | 22:39 | |
| jeblair | s/think/thing/ | 22:39 |
| rbergeron | okay, i will do the recruitment :) (I mean, this is one thing i'm decent at :D) | 22:40 |
| jeblair | #action rbergeron try to find someone to work on ansiblification of devstack-gate | 22:40 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: thank you :) | 22:40 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Zuul test enablement) | 22:40 |
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| SpamapS | We landed some more! | 22:41 |
| jeblair | yay! | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3skips | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | I updated that | 22:41 |
| * rbergeron apologizes for not being more meeting-note-taking tonigght but schedule is all weird being on east coast (meeting at 6pm instead of 3pm; dear lord, no idea how shrews does this :D) | 22:41 | |
| rbergeron | yassss :) | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | covered landed tests with strikethroughs | 22:41 |
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| SpamapS | and linked a few of the in-flight ones | 22:41 |
| Shrews | rbergeron: i suffer with alcohol in hand | 22:42 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: are you still hacking on 446275 -- the merge check thing? | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | we're down to about 18 that aren't being worked | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | and most are in the "Straightforward" category. | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | feels like progress. :) | 22:42 |
| jeblair | i think some of those might inadvertently depend on 446275, though i haven't checked on how many | 22:42 |
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| SpamapS | that makes sense | 22:42 |
| jesusaur | jeblair: yeah, but it's turning out to be quite a game of whack-a-mole | 22:43 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: how many people do we have actively working zuul tests now? | 22:43 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: okay, let me know if i can help or if you need me to clean up my own mess :) | 22:43 |
| jesusaur | if anyone would like to help debug failures on 446275 I would appreciate it, otherwise I will slowly work through them | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: me, jesusaur, pabelanger, adam_g, eggshell | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | maybe more | 22:43 |
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| jeblair | jesusaur: okay, i'll take a look at what's failing | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | I haven't touched a zuul test is some time, apologies for that | 22:44 |
| jesusaur | awesome | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | I don't know how I'll find tasks to do once they're all re-enabled. ;) | 22:44 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: ah, ok. about to envelope myself in the warm arms of zuul, so was wondering if it would be a good place to step into | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: you are listed as owning a couple | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | SpamapS: yes, I keep saying I will fix them. I will do this tomorrow | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: I think it's a good place yeah, though there's a bit of a learning curve on the test harness that might be easier climbed by writing new tests. | 22:45 |
| jeblair | we only have 15 mins left, so i'm going to perform some emergency agenda surgery | 22:45 |
| jeblair | #Status updates (Zuul secrets) | 22:45 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates (Zuul secrets) | 22:45 |
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| Shrews | jeblair: we can skip my topic | 22:45 |
| Shrews | if it helps | 22:45 |
| jeblair | Shrews: i want to make sure we get yours :) | 22:46 |
| jeblair | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-March/005252.html | 22:46 |
| jeblair | i think the results of that thread were basically "do the rsa thing for now, maybe do something else later also" | 22:46 |
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| jeblair | so i think that's our plan for the moment -- continue with pkcs1-oaep, and defer hybrid or other approaches for later | 22:47 |
| jeblair | sound right? | 22:47 |
| pabelanger | no objections from me | 22:48 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fungi, SpamapS: ^ ? | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | concur | 22:48 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:48 |
| fungi | yeah, that's what i got from it | 22:48 |
| clarkb | I don't recall the thread reaching a consensus but I think thats probably fine place to start | 22:48 |
| clarkb | also maybe use a 8096 bit key? | 22:49 |
| jesusaur | jeblair: if there are still concerns about payload size, could we potentially use an 8192 bit rsa key? | 22:49 |
| jesusaur | clarkb: yep | 22:49 |
| clarkb | er | 22:49 |
| clarkb | jesusaur: can math better than me | 22:49 |
| fungi | the discussion basically went the same direction i'd already supported in irc, so just sort of sat on the sidelines | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | 5120 bit would work fine | 22:49 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, it was more like SpamapS advocated that and no one else objected or advocated anything else :) | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | if we really really really want to be able to store 4096 bit privkeys | 22:49 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: there is more than just ssh keys though so I think being generous is probably a good idea | 22:50 |
| jeblair | #agreed proceed with pkcs1-oaep, consider other forms of encryption later | 22:50 |
| jeblair | that makes all the secrets twice as large | 22:50 |
| jeblair | #info consider changing the rsa keysize | 22:51 |
| jeblair | let's talk about that more later | 22:51 |
| fungi | yeah, you're basically trading field capacity for extra overhead of all crypted data | 22:51 |
| pabelanger | because I don't know, what is the downside to that? more CPU? | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | 8192 just evokes the image of a hobbit wielding a claymore in my mind | 22:51 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ya thats probably the biggest one | 22:51 |
| jeblair | so the changes to implement this are in this stack: | 22:51 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/406382 encryption stack | 22:51 |
| fungi | pabelanger: even harder to read yaml files, but they'll already be pretty bad even with 4096-bit | 22:51 |
| jesusaur | pabelanger: yeah, main reason it's not used is increased computation time with negligible increase in security | 22:51 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/447087 crypto review | 22:51 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/447088 crypto review | 22:52 |
| jeblair | i think it would be great if we could find someone who understands what some of those magic numbers mean to review those 2 changes | 22:52 |
| jeblair | those really nicely put all the crypto decisions front and center | 22:52 |
| jeblair | (the rest are about integrating into zuul) | 22:52 |
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| fungi | jesusaur: but also it's more often used for encrypting common-length (short) bits of data like hashes. if we want to encrypt variable length stuff the key size determines how long that can be | 22:53 |
| jeblair | so if anyone here feels they can take a look and say "yes, this is how you should invoke the rsa algorithm", please look at 447087 and 447088 | 22:53 |
| * fungi stars those | 22:53 | |
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| jeblair | and if we feel that we should reach out to anyone outside our community to review these, those are the two i think would be most profitable | 22:54 |
| jeblair | SpamapS, fungi, rbergeron: ^ maybe you have ideas about that? | 22:54 |
| jeblair | anyone else too. just trying to put some likely folks on the spot. :) | 22:54 |
| jeblair | #topic ZuulV3 @ Boston Summit (Shrews) | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I'm not sure who I'd reach out to | 22:55 |
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| Shrews | So, we touched on this very briefly last week, but I wanted to get some hard confirmation on whether or not we plan to do any zuulv3 team dev gathering at the summit like we did at the ptg. | 22:55 |
| Shrews | Sounded like we were leaning "no" | 22:55 |
| clarkb | alex gaynor and dstufft maybe? | 22:55 |
| mordred | Shrews: I also got that sense | 22:56 |
| jeblair | i also got that sense | 22:56 |
| fungi | there will be some flexible hacking space in boston if people want to take advantage of it, but the tone of the summit/forum is to reach outside existing per groups and get into discussions with other segments of the community | 22:57 |
| fungi | s/per/peer/ | 22:57 |
| Shrews | ok, i think that answers the question definitively enough for me | 22:57 |
| jeblair | i plan on attending wearing my general openstack-infra hat | 22:57 |
| fungi | so there's not much emphasis on structured team-oriented activities | 22:57 |
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| mordred | I plan on wearing my general openstack-infra hat - and also my "large consumer of OpenStack APIs" hat | 22:58 |
| fungi | and yeah, i'll be there with infra ptl, tc, vmt, foundation staff, et cetera hats on. not sure how to wear them at the same time | 22:58 |
| Shrews | fwiw, i'm glad that i'm not important enough to have to wear other hats that divert my attention from fun stuff | 22:58 |
| mordred | (which are the same hat, to be fair) | 22:58 |
| mordred | fungi: oh, yeah - I suppose I'll also have my tc hat on | 22:59 |
| fungi | maybe i'll just wear a sombrero | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | Same, still waiting on travel funding from manager | 22:59 |
| jeblair | mordred: it's the one right next to your "loud consumer of openstakc apis" hat? | 22:59 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'M ALWAYS LOUD IT'S A GIVEN | 22:59 |
| fungi | pretty sure that's a trucker hat | 22:59 |
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| SpamapS | I'll be there to speak on Tuesday about Zuul things | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | and Forum as a user | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
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| fungi | i have a firehose infra talk with mtreinish and then am on a security panel | 23:00 |
| jeblair | we'll talk about neglected agenda topics next week | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | cheerio | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 23:00:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-27-22.01.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-27-22.01.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-27-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
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