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masahitohi all, time to blazar meeting09:00
masahito#startmeeting blazar09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 28 09:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)"09:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'09:00
masahito#topic RollCall09:00
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hiro-kobayashio/09:00
tejaswio/09:01
masahitoI heard r-mibu and pierre can't join this meeting.09:01
masahitohiro-kobayashi: tejaswi: hello09:01
hiro-kobayashihello09:01
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tejaswihello09:02
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masahitoToday's agenda is...09:02
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masahito1. gate job09:02
masahito2. AOB09:02
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masahitoanything else? (less topics)09:03
hiro-kobayashiNothing from my side09:03
tejaswiI want to check if anyone is working on the horizon plug-in for Blazar ?09:03
masahitotejaswi: ok, let's discuss it first.09:04
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masahito#topic Horizon Plugin09:04
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hiro-kobayashipriteau said he has that in Chameleon cloud.09:05
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tejaswiI did not find the code in chameleon github.09:05
hiro-kobayashiAnd he showed me the GUI at the Barcelona summit.09:05
tejaswilet me check one more time09:05
GeraldKhi there. sorry for being late09:05
hiro-kobayashiHi GeraldK!09:06
masahitoGeraldK: hi09:06
hiro-kobayashitejaswi: yes, please. Do you have a Horizon plugin, too?09:06
masahitoGeraldK: we're talking about Horizon plugin.09:06
masahitotejaswi: do you know the link to Chamereon's github?09:07
tejaswihiro-kobayashi: No, I do not have horizon plugin.09:07
tejaswihttps://github.com/ChameleonCloud/blazar09:07
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masahitoI find fork of Horizon repo in Chameleon09:09
masahitohttps://github.com/ChameleonCloud/horizon09:09
hiro-kobayashiThanks masahito!09:10
hiro-kobayashiShould the Horizon plugin be separated from blazar repo?09:10
masahitoIt has a branch named 'chameleon'. so it might have code we want :)09:11
masahitohiro-kobayashi: depends on the case.09:11
hiro-kobayashiGot it09:11
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masahitoIMO, we're in early stage. so placing the plugin in blazar repo is easy to do maintenance.09:12
hiro-kobayashi+109:12
hiro-kobayashitejaswi: Are you planning to own Horizon plugin blueprint?09:13
tejaswihiro-kobayashi: Yes, I would like to work on the horizon plugin.09:13
masahitoif you plan to or start to work on the bp, please assigne yourself in launchpad.09:14
masahitohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/climate-dashboard09:14
tejaswihiro-kobayashi: Should we ask Pierre for the existing code ? I did not find the code in github09:14
tejaswimasahito: ok09:15
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hiro-kobayashitejaswi: Thanks for owning it! Yes, its better to ask Pierre09:15
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tejaswihiro-kobayashi: ok. I will check with Pierre.09:16
masahitotejaswi: thanks for taking the bp!09:16
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hiro-kobayashitejaswi: And you may find it here: https://github.com/ChameleonCloud/horizon/tree/chameleon09:16
masahitoI heard he is in US this week. so openstack-dev ML or somewhere seems to be better.09:17
tejaswihiro-kobayashi: I've checked the repo. However, it does not have blazar plugin. Anyways, I will ask Pierre09:18
hiro-kobayashitejaswi: OK. Pierre will help you anyway09:18
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tejaswihiro-kobayashi: ok. thanks09:20
masahitoany comments for the plugin?09:20
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masahito#topic gate job09:20
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masahitoNow I'm thinking change tempest test from non-voting to voting job.09:21
masahitoadditionally, I'd like to add python3.x job as no-09:21
masahitoas non-voting job.09:21
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hiro-kobayashi+109:22
masahitoany comments?09:22
masahitook, then I'll activate the gate jobs.09:23
GeraldKokay for me09:23
masahito#topic AOB09:23
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masahitowe have less topics today.09:24
masahitodoes someone have topics to discuss?09:24
GeraldKSPEC for on_end is the only BP spec we have so far?09:24
GeraldKI will review the latest patch set today.09:25
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hiro-kobayashiGeraldK: Yes, only one SPEC for now. Thanks a lot for your review!09:25
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GeraldKon the new instance reservation BP spec, can we have some discussion via ML first on the different options how this could be realized?09:26
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masahitoit's good idea.09:26
GeraldKTejaswi, can you also check with your colleagues, e.g. Arun on this topic. AFAIK they have good background on it.09:27
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masahitoI'm drafting the feature in my mind now :-)09:27
GeraldK:-)09:28
tejaswiGeraldK: ok. I will check with Arun09:28
masahitobrain storming sounds nice.09:28
GeraldKwe can also setup Etherpad if you prefer to ML09:29
GeraldKmasahito: do you want to take the lead on this discussion?09:29
hiro-kobayashiGeraldK: Sounds good! I think using Etherpad is more efficient09:29
masahitosure, I planned to do it.09:29
GeraldK+109:29
hiro-kobayashi+1 thanks masahito09:30
masahito#action start a discussion about instance reservation (masa)09:30
GeraldKfor the other topics like "support atomic transactions" do you think we also need discussion on Etherpad first or is the way forward more clear?09:30
masahitoIMO, it's be ok to start from spec.09:31
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hiro-kobayashi+109:31
masahitoIn term of "atomic transactions", we have 2 context. 1. transaction in API request. 2. transaction in blazar's internal task.09:32
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GeraldKokay.09:32
masahitobut both could be resolved by same way.09:32
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GeraldKanother topic: what about the status of the reported bugs?09:33
GeraldKI see that for https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1404190 we have two patches under review09:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1404190 in Blazar "No validation for --physical-reservation arguments of lease-create command" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Hiroaki Kobayashi (hiro-kobayashi)09:33
hiro-kobayashiIt's ready to be merged. So please review them09:34
hiro-kobayashihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/140306/09:35
hiro-kobayashihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/143044/09:35
GeraldKokay.09:35
masahitothis patch is in my review queue. I'll check it later.09:35
hiro-kobayashiThanks!09:35
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GeraldKno more topics from my side.09:36
hiro-kobayashiI have one topic09:37
hiro-kobayashiWe should decide when to move to Blazar API v209:37
hiro-kobayashiSupporting both v1 and v2 needs a lot work when changing APIs09:38
hiro-kobayashilike on-end-option blueprint09:38
masahitohiro-kobayashi: do you have demands to have v2?09:38
hiro-kobayashiWhen changing APIs, v2 is easy in terms of documentation09:39
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hiro-kobayashiSo, I think it's better focusing on v2 and deprecate v1 in the near future09:40
masahitoIMO, changing API version should happen when API 'schema' is changed.09:40
masahitoFor implementation side, don't need to change the version.09:41
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hiro-kobayashiI agree but we have to maintain two APIs for now.09:41
masahitobut AFAIK some parameters of lease lacks in v1, right?09:42
hiro-kobayashimasahito: right. I think "before_end" capability is not supported in v1.09:42
hiro-kobayashiSo, I plan to support "before_end" capability only for v2. How do you think?09:43
masahitoIf it means changing an action type in API, I agree. If it means changing an action in config, I don't agree.09:45
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hiro-kobayashiIt means in API, not in config09:46
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masahitoI think it's ok.09:46
hiro-kobayashiEven if you use v1, you can change the before_end action by config09:46
masahitohiro-kobayashi: could you listing tasks to make v2 API official?09:47
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hiro-kobayashiok09:47
masahito1. documentation09:47
masahito2. blazar client supports09:47
masahito3. gate job09:47
masahitoIIRC, we need to prepare the above things to make v2 official.09:48
hiro-kobayashiYes, I agree09:49
hiro-kobayashi1 is ready. 2 has once proposed but abandoned. 3 should be added.09:49
masahitolast 10 mins09:50
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masahitoif nothing, we can end the meeting early09:51
hiro-kobayashinothing from my side09:51
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masahitoThanks, all!09:52
masahito#endmeeting09:52
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Mar 28 09:52:52 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:52
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hiro-kobayashithanks! bye09:53
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EmilienMmeeting in one hour or now?13:01
EmilienMI think it's in one hour13:02
EmilienMand happy DST13:02
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jpichYeah I think it's in one hour13:22
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ccamachoand suddenly  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Pazuzu_%28The_Exorcist%29.jpg13:58
ccamachorun!13:58
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pandaand then the murders began.13:59
gfidentehuh13:59
EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 28 14:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
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EmilienM* one off agenda items14:00
EmilienM* bugs14:00
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:00
EmilienM* CI14:00
EmilienM* Specs14:00
EmilienM* Week roadmap14:00
EmilienM* open discussion14:00
EmilienMAnyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ14:00
EmilienMHi everyone! who is around today?14:00
thrasho/14:00
adarazsyo/14:00
ccamachohi folks o/14:00
mwhahahahi2u14:00
marioso/14:00
jpicho/14:00
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EmilienMlook at that crowd14:01
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panda\o/ (o) oC /o\14:01
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EmilienMok, let's start14:02
EmilienM#topic review past action items14:02
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EmilienMEmilienM to look more closely the thread about periodic jobs: done, topic is still under discussion now.14:02
EmilienMsshnaidm: like we said in our recent discussions, I guess we'll make progress over the next days and we need to continue the investigation with pabelanger14:02
EmilienMsshnaidm: feel free to bring it during the CI topic later14:03
EmilienMEmilienM to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445617/ to keep dib-utils part of TripleO for now and keep moving out DIB out of TripleO: done and positive votes by TC + DIB + TripleO folks.14:03
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EmilienMmarios to investigate why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446506/ is failing: done, patch is merged14:03
EmilienMteam to review https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-1 and prioritize in progress work: still in progress. A lot of bugs are still untriaged, help is welcome14:03
mariosEmilienM: ack14:03
EmilienMon my list for today ^: continue the triage on pike-1 bugs and blueprints14:03
EmilienMteam to postpone Triaged bugs to pike-2 next week: will do it this week.14:03
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EmilienM#action EmilienM to postpone pike-1 Triaged bugs to pike-2 milestone14:04
trowno/14:04
EmilienMflaper87 to file a bug in tripleo assigned to opstools for fluentd to read logs from containers: done14:04
EmilienMand bogdando to followup on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442603/ and update if needed: patch still WIP (not passing CI and no review)14:04
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ansiweno/14:04
EmilienManything before we move on?14:05
EmilienM#topic one off agenda items14:05
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:05
EmilienMshardy: o/14:05
shardyEmilienM: Hey, so my question is around tripleo-image-elements, and tripleo-incubator14:05
shardythere is a lot of stuff there we no longer use14:06
shardyand t-i-e has caused some confusion recently as we're mostly only updating tripleo-puppet-elements14:06
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EmilienMshardy: I added os-cloud-config14:06
pradko/14:06
shardye.g even for non puppet things like the packages in the image14:06
shardyEmilienM: yeah, it'd be good to figure out how to retire these old repos I think14:06
EmilienMI remember slagle moved a bunch of things from t-i-e into instack-undercloud14:06
shardyin the case of tripleo-incubator, I think there are still a couple of ci dependencies14:07
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EmilienMwe should do it step by step. Probably tripleo-incubator is the safest one to start with14:07
shardybut IMO we should just move things, and retire those repos?14:07
slagleshardy: i removed all those deps, or at least have patches that do14:07
slaglei dont recall if they all merged yet or not14:07
shardyslagle: nice, Ok will look for them14:07
slagleit looks like they did14:08
shardyOk so we can probably just propose the rm -fr patches and see what CI does ;)14:08
slagleso, we could test a ci patch that deletes the git checkout from /opt/stack and see if we pass14:08
EmilienMshardy: that would be a first good start, and only t-i-e and incubator now14:08
shardyOk, I'll propose the patches and we can iterate on any remaining pieces we actually need14:09
EmilienMshardy: not o-c-c because the patch that removes the dep is still WIP14:09
shardyEmilienM: ack, yep we can do that later14:09
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shardyI think the CI admins are still in -incubator?14:09
EmilienM#action shardy to run CI patch that remove t-i-e and incubator projects14:09
shardyI guess we may need some changes to move them to tripleo-ci14:10
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EmilienM#action EmilienM to remove os-cloud-config as a dependency (WIP) and follow-up on what shardy is testing for the 2 other projects14:10
shardyAnyway, we can work out the details later unless anyone is opposed14:10
shardythanks!14:10
EmilienMshardy: thanks!14:10
EmilienMlet's clean up things :)14:10
EmilienMbogdando: o/14:10
bogdandoEmilienM: hi14:11
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EmilienMbogdando: what's up?14:11
bogdandoI have a few topics to announce and ask for ideas14:12
EmilienMyeah go for it please, floor is yours14:12
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bogdando#topic minimal custom undercloud for containers dev/qa WIP14:12
bogdandoCustom undercloud layouts with dev branches and containers WIP (follows on the Flavio's patch)14:13
bogdando#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450792/14:13
bogdandoso the idea is to deploy only the component under dev, with as minimal things as possible14:13
bogdandoyour ideas in imlementation are welcome14:13
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bogdando#topic improved getthelogs (CI scripts) for CI logs parsing UX14:14
EmilienMbogdando: cool, sounds like your asking for some reviews on quickstart patches14:14
trownI reviewed that14:14
trownI would prefer if the added functionality in that patch be moved to a new patch14:14
bogdandowell, yes, but not only reviews but ideas if this shall be done another way14:14
trownthat patch has been there for some time and we dont want to make it more complicated14:15
bogdandoand the 2nd item, I ask for reviews only :)14:15
bogdandoGetthelogs rework https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449552/ , an example log parsing session https://github.com/bogdando/fuel-log-parse/blob/master/README.md#examples-for-tripleo-ci-openstack-infra-logs14:15
bogdando#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449552/14:15
bogdandoand you can try to use that for daily CI tshooting as well and give me feedback14:15
bogdandothat's it14:15
bogdandogo on :)14:15
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bogdandotrown: I did that, it's a follow up now14:16
EmilienMbogdando: yeah, it's hard to give feedback on the first thing since you sent the patch 30 min ago14:16
EmilienMI don't think anyone had time to look at it14:16
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trownbogdando: cool thanks!14:16
EmilienMchem: go ahead, seem like you need reviews on upgrade stuffs14:16
bogdandoEmilienM: np. The patch is fresh, but I strongly believe not the very idea of dev shortcomings14:17
chemhi all14:17
EmilienMnot sure we want to paste all the links here though but it would have been nice to create a Gerrit topic14:17
chemyes those are pending review and backport needed for N->O upgrade14:17
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chemEmilienM: hum ... willing to learn for next time14:17
EmilienMchem: could you please create a Gerrit topic for all these patches14:17
EmilienMso we can track them more easily14:18
chemEmilienM: ah ... ack14:18
bogdando(oops, s/shortcomings/shortcuts/g)14:18
chemEmilienM: oki will do14:18
EmilienMchem: thanks.14:18
chemEmilienM: will put it in the etherpad when done14:18
marioschem: so for l3agents on  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445494/ was going to bring it up in bugs for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/167150414:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671504 in tripleo "l3 agent downtime can cause tenant VM outages during upgrade" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b)14:18
EmilienM#action team to review chem's patches from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items about upgrades14:18
chemthanks14:19
EmilienMpanda: you had something to say too? I noticed the last point14:19
pandano14:20
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EmilienMsomeone posted: FYI more doc on ci migration re: toci scripts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450281/14:20
EmilienMbut no name, so I don't know who wants to talk about it14:20
EmilienMok moving on14:20
EmilienM#topic bugs14:20
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EmilienM#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-114:20
mariosEmilienM: i have two things please https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1669714 comments 9/10 in particular... long story short, we were told to remove the openvswitch upgrade workaround. Now we need to add it with an extra flag and thoes reviews are in progress see comment #9. Q: can we use that Bug (attempt to minimize confusion) even though it is in fix-released? Or do we have to file14:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1669714 in tripleo "Newton to Ocata - upgrade to ovs 2.5->2.6 with current workaround and lose connectivity" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b)14:21
EmilienMdo we have outstanding bugs to discuss this week?14:21
mariosnew one?14:21
EmilienMmarios: re-open it and re-use it14:22
EmilienMmarios: it will avoid confusion. It's same topic anyway14:22
mariosEmilienM: (the reviews for this are in chem list fyi). ack will do14:22
mariosEmilienM: exactly for this this reason14:22
mariosEmilienM: this one was a request we are trying to get into stable/ocata for the ansible steps upgrade... i spent some time looking last week...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/167150414:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1671504 in tripleo "l3 agent downtime can cause tenant VM outages during upgrade" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b)14:22
mariosthe review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445494/ does what it's meant to, by only killing one neutron-l3-agent at a time, but there is an ongoing/outstanding issue neutron-openvswitch-agent. (see comment #2 on bug for more info). Q: can we land /#/c/445494/ so we can get it to stable/ocata, even though it won't work until the packaging bug is fixed?14:23
mariosshardy: grateful for input, even if you didn't have time to check it yet/doesn't have to be right now thanks14:23
EmilienMmarios: what is ETA for packaging fix?14:23
mariosEmilienM: still tbd i mean there is no reliable fix yet at least not one i've been able to test14:24
shardymarios: If it's been proven to solve one part of the problem I'm +1 on landing it, will review14:24
EmilienMyeah I had a first review and I need more time to review again and vote.14:25
mariosEmilienM: shardy ack thanks appreciate anyone's reveiw time /me done on bugs14:25
EmilienMok thanks marios14:25
EmilienMso about bugs, quick reminder: I'm going to move all bugs that are not In progress from pike-1 to pike-214:26
EmilienMexcept these which are critical14:26
EmilienMany comment ^?14:26
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jpichsounds fine14:26
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EmilienM#topic projects releases or stable backports14:27
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EmilienMquick update on tripleo-validations: we have now stable/ocata14:27
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EmilienMcould someone from validations investigate this problem? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450178/14:27
EmilienMthe python jobs fail on stable/ocata14:27
EmilienMjrist: ^ can you look this week please (or find someone)14:28
jpichflorianf is looking into it14:28
florianfEmilienM: in both cases the failure seem to be related to some package metadata file.14:28
EmilienMneat14:28
EmilienMflorianf: ok. so you on it?14:28
florianfEmilienM: it looks like a race condition, since different gates fail after rechecks. yep, I'm on it.14:29
EmilienMok14:29
shardyflorianf: are we just missing a dependency on pyparsing or something?14:29
EmilienMquick reminder about Pike schedule14:29
EmilienM#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html14:29
EmilienMPike-1 milestone is on Apr 10 - Apr 1414:29
florianfshardy: Good point, I'll check for that as well.14:29
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EmilienMI'll propose a first tag on tripleo projects on April 13 most probably14:30
shardyflorianf: Hmm, maybe not, I see what you mean as the py27 job sometimes works14:30
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EmilienMany question about releases & stable branches?14:30
EmilienM#topic CI14:31
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florianfshardy: there's an open github issue for setuptools that look a bit like what we're seeing here. apparently other projects have started pinning down setuptools versions...14:31
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shardyflorianf: ack, thanks for looking into it :)14:31
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EmilienMit would take 1 hour to describe all the issues we had in CI recently but I plan to write a post-mortem email when the saga is over14:32
EmilienM#action EmilienM to write an email with all issues we had in Ci recently14:32
EmilienMthe current status is that things should be much more stable and we should hopefuly get a promotion today14:32
EmilienMwe need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450481/2 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450756/114:33
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EmilienMdo we have any update about CI work?14:34
jpichIs CI for stable branches getting more stable as well, or is that separate?14:34
trownwe should have that now14:34
shardydprince, jistr: did you want to mention the work around optimizing the container jobs?14:34
trownhopefully14:34
EmilienMadarazs sent a CI squad weekly status email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114634.html14:34
weshayFYI.. panda put together a readme re: the changes to the toci scripts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450281/ if anyone is finding it confusing14:34
shardythat seems like a high-priority as we can't test upgrades without a much shorter walltime14:34
pandaif something is not clear, ping me and I'll add more infomrations14:35
jistrright. dprince might know more but in case he's not around --14:35
mariosEmilienM: just mentioning an issue i saw before the meeting for docker related dependencies in the upgrade job see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450607/14:35
jistrwe need to speed up containers CI14:35
weshayya14:35
jistrboth the normal one14:35
adarazsjpich: stable branches should work, as much as the whole CI does. :)14:35
jistrand the upgrades one14:35
trown#info all bugs have been moved from launchpad/tripleo-quickstart to launchpad/tripleo with the quickstart tag14:35
jistr(which is WIP)14:35
sshnaidmdprince is working on setup of local docker registry14:35
EmilienMtrown: I noticed. Thanks for that14:35
jistreither we could build images instead of downloading them from dockerhub14:36
weshaynot sure how we'll run a upgrade + containers in 170min14:36
jistrwhich *might* be a bit faster14:36
jpichOk, thanks!14:36
shardySo I had one question, the local registry is only for OVB, right?14:36
jistrbut better seems a local dockerhub mirror14:36
shardyreally we need to solve this for multinode, because those jobs are already much faster14:36
jistrright yes, the one that dprince is setting up is in OVB cloud14:36
sshnaidmshardy, not only14:36
weshaymatbu, may have to chat about his tool to help w/ that14:36
sshnaidmshardy, if it has public ip, it could be used in multinode too14:36
EmilienMshardy: faster and also because we have all the scenarios things that we want14:37
shardysshnaidm: but then we're still downloading a ton of stuff over the internet14:37
jistryea...14:37
shardyvs a local cache14:37
sshnaidmshardy, no, it will be local machine14:37
jistrdepends where the bottleneck is i guess14:37
sshnaidmshardy, just updating by cron from docker hub14:37
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jistrsshnaidm: right but i think the OVB and the OS-infra clouds aren't collocated14:38
shardysshnaidm: For multinode, I'm not clear how that works, unless we build all the images every CI run, or just download them as we already do14:38
sshnaidmshardy, jistr oh, right14:38
shardyyeah the infra clouds could be one of many14:38
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jistrso for this we'd probably need support of os-infra folks?14:38
shardybut we get a big performance improvement because the time taken to deploy the nodes via ironic etc is removed, and not considered as part of the timeout AFAIK14:38
EmilienMpabelanger: ^14:38
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shardyjistr: yeah, I think we should start that discussion14:39
shardyI suspect it's something which would be really useful to kolla too?14:39
EmilienMdo we want some AFS mirrors ?14:39
jistrshardy: yea i think so re usefulness to Kolla14:39
sshnaidmI wonder if infra already has available docker registries14:39
jistrand maybe other projects as well?14:40
pabelangerEmilienM: where should I be reading?14:40
shardyEmilienM: I think we want an infra hosted local docker registry with a mirror of certain things on dockerhub14:40
shardyfor all clouds used by infra14:40
shardypabelanger: we're trying to speed up our container CI jobs14:40
jistrthe dockerhub pull-through cache doesn't have to be (and probably shouldn't) be tripleo-specific14:40
pabelangeryes, that is something we'd like to do14:40
shardypabelanger: the bottleneck (or one of them) is downloading a ton of stuff from dockerhub14:40
sshnaidmpabelanger, do you have available docker registries in infra?14:40
pabelangerbut need to make docker register backend to AFS14:40
pabelangerso all images are the same across all regions14:41
shardypabelanger: do we have any timeline for that work at all yet?14:41
shardypabelanger: basically we really need this, and some other optimizations, to enable major upgrade testing14:42
pabelangerno, execpt we want to do it14:42
shardyotherwise we'll just run out of walltime before the timeout14:42
pabelangerhow much HDD is the containers taking?14:42
pabelangerwhat kolla is doing is just publishing to tarballs.o.o for now, then downloading and building the registry themself atm14:43
EmilienMthat could be a first step for us14:43
jistrpabelanger: just checked, about 10G14:44
EmilienMsince we have the registry on the undercloud, right?14:44
sshnaidmshardy, building registry on undercloud will help, isn't it?14:44
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jistrsshnaidm: we already have a registry on undercloud14:44
EmilienMwell, it means pulling 10 GB each time we deploy an undercloud ?14:44
shardysshnaidm: yes, but we still have to download the images from somewhere, or build them, because we build a new undercloud for every CI job14:44
jistrsshnaidm: yea what EmilienM said14:44
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shardysounds like the tarballs approach used by kolla may be worth looking into as a first step14:45
EmilienMI hope I'm wrong and we don't need to download 10 GB at each CI run14:45
pabelangerthe only issue is, we have so much storage on tarball.o.o14:45
jistr:-x14:45
pabelangerthat isn't your issue, but something openstack-infra needs to fix14:45
pabelangerI can deal with that14:45
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EmilienMam I correct when i said that we need to pull 10 GB of data when deploying the undercloud and create a local registry?14:46
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shardyjistr: does that number consider the image layering?14:46
bogdandonote, docker save deduplicates base images from the resulting tarball, we could use that trick to move all of the images14:46
shardyit sounds like a lot14:46
jistrthe 10G is my /var/lib/docker/devicemapper on undercloud14:47
bogdandoif we have 50 images which overlap like 90%m the resulting saved artifact will be very small14:47
jistri don't have any containers running there14:47
jistrso it's just the images14:47
shardyEmilienM: I think we need to look at the actual amount downloaded vs the apparent size of the images, but I know from testing this you have to download a lot of stuff14:47
jistrnot sure if that's exactly the amount downloaded, probably not14:47
bogdandoto move around*14:47
shardyand it's really slow as a result (slower than a normal puppet deploy)14:47
EmilienMok14:47
EmilienMcan we take some #action here?14:47
EmilienMand move on14:47
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EmilienMshardy, jistr: some actions would help to track what we said14:49
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shardy#action container squad to investigate downloaded vs apparent image sizes14:50
EmilienMshardy: thanks.14:50
EmilienM#topic specs14:50
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shardy#action container squad to continue discussion with -infra re TripleO and kolla requirements for local/cached registry14:50
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EmilienMsounds like a good plan for short term14:50
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:51
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EmilienMquick reminder, we want Pike specs merged by Pike-1 milestone otherwise they'll get postponed to Queen cycle14:51
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EmilienMa lot of them are ready for review, please take some time14:52
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EmilienMis there anyone here who want to discuss about a spec ?14:52
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EmilienMok, let's move on.14:54
EmilienM#topic open discussion14:54
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EmilienMif you have a question or feedback about TripleO, or bring another topic, it's the right time14:55
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EmilienMit sounds like we can close this meeting14:55
EmilienMthanks everyone14:55
matbui just want to warn that the delay for the reviews in tripleo-quickstart is really huge14:56
d0ugalthanks!14:56
shardythanks all!14:56
EmilienMmatbu: why?14:56
matbuidk what we should do, but it's pretty boring14:56
EmilienMmatbu: it's a good info.14:56
EmilienMmatbu: do you think we spend enough time on reviewing oooq patches?14:56
matbuEmilienM: i think tripleo cores don't spent enough time and btw there is not enough cores14:57
matbuor oooq14:57
EmilienMmatbu: there is not enough cores on what?14:57
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shardyIt's difficule because a lot of tripleo-cores aren't yet oooq experts14:57
shardywe need to improve that I guess14:57
d0ugalit would be intersting to compare different tripleo repos to see where the longest wait is14:57
matbushardy: yep i know14:57
matbud0ugal: +114:57
sshnaidmmatbu, you can ping people, it works usually14:58
matbumost of the time when i do a commit in tht, even if it's WIP i got a feedback pretty quick14:58
EmilienMwe have 30 Tripleo Core, I don't think it's fair to say we don't have enough core14:58
d0ugalEmilienM: but how many of them feel like oooq cores - I don't :)14:58
matbufor oooq even if i add peoples, i have no such chance14:58
shardyEmilienM: how many of the 30 are experts in tripleo-quickstart though?14:59
matbuEmilienM: hehe yep for tripleo, i wasn't aware of 30, it looks really big :)14:59
EmilienMwell, it's hard to push people to review oooq14:59
shardysounds like a topic for the ML14:59
EmilienMshardy: not enough14:59
d0ugalmatbu: I find adding people to reviews doesn't work - I guess because we all get so much gerrit email spam it is easily missed14:59
shardymaybe we could have a deep-dive14:59
panda+114:59
EmilienMmatbu: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/190,members14:59
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EmilienMI'm going to close the meeting14:59
d0ugalshardy: +100 :)14:59
EmilienMbut sounds like matbu you could run the topic on the ML please14:59
adarazsthat could help.14:59
EmilienM#endmeeting15:00
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pcarverhi15:00
matrohonanybody's here for net-bgpvpn meeting15:00
matrohonhi pcarver15:00
matrohontmorin is ooo this week15:01
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matrohonI'll lead the meeting15:01
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matrohonIt will be a short meeting :)15:02
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matrohonI didnt really look at what was going on recently at net-bgpvpn15:03
matrohon#startmeeting bgpvpn15:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 28 15:03:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn'15:03
pcarverI have a couple of items15:05
matrohonpcarver please go ahead15:05
pcarverThis one is trivial: https://review.openstack.org/439193 updating the devref to point to the API ref that is now published via neutron-lib15:05
matrohonpcarver, ack15:06
pcarverThis one is also trivial: https://review.openstack.org/449720 I missed updating the list of extensions in one place when the API definition was merged15:06
matrohonpcarver, merged :)15:06
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pcarverThis one needs a good look, but I think it's in good shape https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395585/15:07
matrohonpcarver, it should merge soon15:07
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pcarverThose are all I have15:08
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matrohonpcarver : the latest is the only missing piece to close https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/163641515:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1636415 in networking-bgpvpn "move API definition to neutron-lib" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Paul Carver (pcarver)15:09
pcarverOh, I guess maybe I should have a closes bug line in the commit message15:09
matrohonpcarver, indeed15:10
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matrohonit's just a nit, it doesn't deserve a specific PS15:11
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matrohonpcarver, we'll do it by hand if needed15:11
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matrohonif anybody has anything to dicuss about bgpvpn, the floor is open15:13
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matrohonall, be aware that our gate seems currently broken due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1676656/15:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1676656 in networking-sfc "Extensions unit tests failing after neutron change" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Bernard Cafarelli (bcafarel)15:15
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matrohonok let's close this short meeting15:17
matrohonthanks pcarver15:17
matrohon#endmeeting15:17
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pcarverok, thanks15:17
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 28 16:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2017-03-28_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:00
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adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
vijendar_o/16:00
hieulq_o/16:00
mkrai_Madhuri Kumari16:00
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:00
strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:00
jvgrant_Jaycen Grant16:00
coreyobCorey O'Brien16:00
adrian_ottohello vijendar_ hieulq_ mkrai_ tonanhngo strigazi jvgrant_ and coreyob16:01
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adrian_ottohello juggler16:02
jugglero/16:02
randallburto/16:02
jasondo/16:02
adrian_ottohello randallburt and jasond16:02
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Dragoo16:02
Dragoo/16:02
swatson_o/16:03
adrian_ottohello Drago16:03
adrian_ottohi swatson_16:03
adrian_ottolet's begin.16:03
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:03
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adrian_otto(none)16:03
yatinkarelyatin karel16:03
adrian_ottoany announcements from team members?16:04
adrian_ottohi yatinkarel16:04
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swatson_I don't have an announcement but did want to ask about the OSC vote16:04
adrian_ottoswatson_: okay, we can touch base on that16:05
adrian_otto#topic Action Items16:05
adrian_otto(none)16:05
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adrian_otto#topic OSC command name discussion16:05
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strigaziswatson_ I don't like coe but works for me and my team16:05
strigaziswatson_ from my side is +116:05
randallburtyikes16:05
* adrian_otto looking for the link to the email thread about this16:05
randallburtbut better than nothing16:05
strigazirandallburt exactly16:06
strigazikerberos \o/16:06
jvgrant_feel the same way. I don't like it but i can't think of much better with the limitations we have16:06
mkrai_+1 for coe16:06
adrian_otto#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114640.html My email yesterday asking for us to express a preference between two options16:07
swatson_Sounds like a basic consensus then16:07
yatinkarelcoe +1 for me16:07
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Drago+1 for coe16:07
swatson_Going off the latest ML message, do we keep "cluster" for the commands too? Or drop it?16:07
tonanhngoI have started hearing "container orchestration" from other context, so it may becoming commonly used now16:07
swatson_e.g. keep it as "openstack coe cluster create..." or go with a simplified "openstack coe create..."16:08
yatinkarelswatson_, then what about ct16:08
randallburtright, keep it imo16:08
swatson_yatinkarel: "openstack coe template create..."16:08
swatson_and "openstack coe ca show/sign", etc.16:08
randallburtrather it be explicit about the object being manipulated16:09
DragoI'm on the fence, as it's our main resource16:09
yatinkareli think we should keep resources name same as we use now16:09
adrian_ottoyatinkarel: agreed16:09
Dragonova list is nice though16:09
Dragovs nova server list16:09
yatinkarelopenstack server list16:09
adrian_ottothe question is whether to keep the term "cluster" in the openstack command or not16:09
adrian_ottomy gut says yes, keep it in.16:09
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Dragomy gut shrugs16:10
adrian_ottoit's possible that we could start with the word cluster, and later drop it if we find it burdensome to use16:10
strigazi+116:10
swatson_+116:10
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yatinkarel+116:11
vijendar_adrian_otto: sounds good16:11
adrian_ottoit could still alias back for compatibility if we make that decision dow the road16:11
mkrai_+116:11
jvgrant_+116:11
tonanhngo+116:11
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randallburt+116:11
Drago+116:11
juggler+116:11
jasond+116:11
swatson_Alright, I'll update my reviews for "openstack coe cluster..." away from "openstack infra cluster..."16:12
adrian_ottothanks everyone.16:13
adrian_ottoAny opposing viewpoints to consider before releasing swatson_ to change that?16:13
adrian_ottook, thanks.16:13
adrian_otto#topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:13
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adrian_ottoEssential Blueprints16:14
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi]16:14
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strigaziI'm finishing team, sorry for this delay. Cleaning UTs16:15
adrian_ottostrigazi: any input needed from the team on this?16:15
adrian_ottoteam: any discussion or questions on this work item?16:15
strigazinot right now16:15
adrian_ottook, will advance to the next...16:16
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nodegroups [Drago]16:16
DragoStill nothing from me. jvgrant_?16:16
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jvgrant_been on vacation the last week so no updates from me16:16
adrian_ottook, last one is...16:17
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi]16:17
strigaziI gave some input in this in the driver-resource spec16:17
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strigaziI don't have anyting else16:18
jvgrant_strigazi: thanks for the input i'll take a look at that today16:18
strigaziAbout NGs16:18
strigaziDo you think we can start touching the heat backend and add a POC with jinja?16:19
strigaziThe mosy obvious usecase for us is AZs16:19
strigaziWhat do you think?16:19
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adrian_ottostrigazi: to clarify you're suggesting we pick a driver to do this in, as a first step toward Nodegroup implementation?16:20
adrian_ottoto support availability zones16:20
strigaziyes,16:20
strigaziThere is a dedicated bp for this on me :)16:21
strigazihttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-availability-zones16:21
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adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-availability-zones Availability Zones Feature16:21
strigaziDoes it make sense?16:22
strigaziProbably with the use of labels16:22
adrian_ottoyes16:22
adrian_ottoso the swarm driver would be where you'd try it first?16:23
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adrian_ottoadding the AZ list to the CT first16:23
adrian_ottowhy predefine the list?16:23
adrian_ottoseems that could be a parameter with defaults supplied by the driver16:24
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adrian_ottoor is that maybe what you meant?16:24
strigaziyes, it requires some assumptions like this % of nodes in one az and that in the other or can be a list16:24
strigazia list of percentages16:24
strigaziin the basic implementaion allow two AZs but start buiding resource groups with jinja16:25
strigaziteam?16:27
adrian_ottosounds fine to me. My only guidance is to try not to bake the semantics into the CT. Keep that in the driver's config.16:27
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adrian_ottowe can see about generalizing it after we're tried it in a single driver16:27
adrian_ottos/we're/we've/16:27
strigaziI could use some help because flatten-attrs is my priority16:27
adrian_ottoneed help writing the spec?16:28
strigaziI would  start from proof of concept implementaion in parallel16:29
strigaziin parallel with the spec16:29
adrian_ottogreat16:29
strigaziok, if when I have something I'll oing you16:30
adrian_ottook16:30
strigazis/oing/ping16:30
adrian_ottoOther Work Items16:31
adrian_ottoany others from the team?16:31
adrian_ottoif not, I'll advance to Open Discussion16:31
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adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:31
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strigaziI want your input on something16:31
strigaziI have started some time ago a swarm-mode driver which works fine and we have deployed last week.16:32
strigaziThere is an experimental ci for it too but no tests yet since it relies on the new python-docker client16:33
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strigaziThe question is16:33
strigaziDo we k continue to maintain the old swam? Maybe replace it with swarm-mode and make the old swam -> swarm-legacy ?16:34
adrian_ottoHow can you have a ci without tests? I'm confused.16:34
strigaziadrian_otto The ci runs and always fails since it tries to runt tests that do not exist16:34
adrian_ottois there a good reason to keep the legacy driver at all?16:35
strigaziNot for me, but someone may have users of it?16:35
adrian_ottois there an upgrade path from the current driver to the new one?16:36
strigazino16:36
strigazinot that I know of16:36
adrian_ottoI'm thinking....16:36
adrian_ottoit should still work16:36
adrian_ottobecause swarm mode should adopt the running continers16:37
adrian_ottoand the legacy swarm driver had no concept of services or anything swarm specific that I can think of16:37
strigaziI haven't tried and swarm mode doesn't even have etcd16:37
strigaziI don't think that it will read etcd to import containers16:37
adrian_ottothat does not matter16:38
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adrian_ottoetcd only holds the information about the cluster membership16:38
adrian_ottothe actual list of containers is still managed by docker16:38
strigaziok16:38
adrian_ottosay you had a two node cluster...16:38
adrian_ottoand in swarm you run "docker ps"16:39
adrian_ottoit will hit the apis of both servers, and combine the results in the resulting list16:39
adrian_ottothe etcd is used to determine where those API calls are routed.16:39
adrian_ottoso I think it could be upgradable16:40
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strigaziI'll have a look but not sure if it's worth it16:40
adrian_ottoin which case it could still be named "swarm"16:41
strigaziif it's upgradable?16:41
adrian_ottowe might hit problems with different versions of devmapper somehow corrupting the /var/lib/docker contents16:42
adrian_ottodepending on how old the swarms are that we try to upgrade16:42
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adrian_ottoI've had a few docker version upgrades that went horribly wrong16:43
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adrian_ottorequiring me to discard /var/lib/docker and start over16:43
strigaziThat doesn't sound fun16:43
adrian_ottono, but that has not happened recently16:43
adrian_ottoit's usually after a kernel upgrade that had a devmapper upgrade with it16:44
adrian_ottoafter that, docker was busted.16:44
adrian_ottothe last few were fine16:44
adrian_ottohas anyone else seen problems going from swarm to 1.13+ with swarm mode?16:45
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adrian_ottostrigazi: seems the rest of the team fell asleep ;-)16:46
jugglerstill here :)16:46
yatinkarel:) me too16:46
strigaziI'll continue as swarm-mode and we see how it goes then16:46
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jugglerare there any pre-planning etherpads out yet for:16:47
juggler#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/16:47
adrian_ottomaybe we can find a volunteer to assist with putting the tests together for that16:47
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adrian_ottojuggler: not yet16:47
strigaziI was writing about this just now16:47
strigazi*the tests16:47
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juggleradrian_otto: thanks16:48
jugglerlol randallburt16:48
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randallburt:)16:48
adrian_ottomaybe we can wrap a little early today?16:48
strigazisure16:48
jugglerno problem16:48
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adrian_ottoThanks everyone for attending today. Our next meeting will be on 2017-04-04 at 1600 UTC. See you then.16:49
adrian_otto#endmeeting16:49
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jugglerthx adrian for presiding16:49
adrian_ottojuggler: my honor!16:50
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juggler:)16:50
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felipemonteiro#startmeeting murano17:00
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felipemonteiro#topic Roll Call17:00
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tovin07hi felipemonteiro17:01
felipemonteiroo/17:01
felipemonteiroHey tovin0717:01
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felipemonteiroI saw your commit for osprofiler. I haven't diagnosed the failing tests in murano (i.e. for tempest and murano-ci) to see if they're all related to your change.17:04
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felipemonteiroI do know, however, that there are a bunch of failing tests in murano dashboard that I'm going to have to fix, in part related to bad waiters, in part related to Horizon changes, and in part related to Glance changes.17:05
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felipemonteiroHi pbourke_17:07
pbourke_hi felipemonteiro17:08
pbourke_just on a call for a few mins but i have one or two questions for you if you're free then :)17:08
felipemonteiroSure.17:08
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felipemonteiro#topic Open Discussion17:09
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tovin07I have a patch17:11
tovin07About integrate OSprofiler into Murano17:11
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tovin07https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446316/17:11
tovin07#link Integrate OSprofiler into Murano https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446316/17:11
tovin07gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-api-ubuntu-xenialFAILED with all test_cinder_volumes tests17:12
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felipemonteirotovin07: Yes, I saw it. I saw the failures there as well.17:13
felipemonteiroEither they're related to the changes in the patch, or have been introduced by Cinder changes in the last 10 days from what I can tell.17:13
tovin07felipemonteiro: thank you17:14
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tovin07currently, I still have no idea why these tests fail17:14
felipemonteiroBecause there hasn't been a lot of recent commit activity in Murano, these bugs have all of a sudden appeared, as it were. I do know that there are legitimate test failures in murano dashboard. I'd need another hour or two to see what the issue is with murano.17:15
tovin07oh, no problem17:16
tovin07I will try some other ways to find out why17:17
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felipemonteirotovin07: I'm rechecking #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441611/ which is effectively a noop (just api docs). If that passes, then it's your patch; if it also fails, then it's a greater problem.17:19
tovin07Yes, I rather think that it’s my patch17:20
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pbourke_felipemonteiro: so, one question was, i noticed it's possible to create murano apps using heat templates directly17:21
pbourke_felipemonteiro: is there any major advantage to using MuranoPL that people miss if creating apps that way?17:21
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felipemonteiroYou'd lose murano dashboard integration, which is a big disadvantage for one17:24
pbourke_oh, that sucks :(17:25
pbourke_I somehow thought you could still get the dashboard if using it that way17:25
pbourke_second question, it seems its not possible to create+attach volumes in MuranoPL currently17:26
pbourke_am I correct in that?17:26
felipemonteiroYou need a ui yaml file in order to tell the dashboard how to dynamically create fields in order to populate the template with the right information17:27
pbourke_ah that's right17:28
felipemonteiropbourke_: Not sure about the second question, something I've yet to try17:28
pbourke_so you can use those + HOT to essentially get the same functionality17:28
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pbourke_?17:29
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felipemonteiroMurano is a higher level of abstraction built on top of Heat. Murano can basically work with different deployment engines in principle. It could use Kubernetes as well as Heat.17:31
felipemonteiroIt depends what your needs are.17:32
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pbourke_makes sense, thanks felipemonteiro17:33
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felipemonteiroWhat exactly are you trying to do with Heat? Heat is mostly intended to orchestrate infrastructure creation and deployment, whereas Murano is intended to deploy complex applications within the infrastructure created by Heat.17:36
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pbourke_i haven't come across an example of a murano application that couldn't be done directly with heat17:37
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pbourke_or I should say, do you have an example?17:38
felipemonteiropbourke_: That's a legitimate concern. I'm not invested in Heat, so I don't want to unfairly compare the two projects.17:38
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pbourke_i think murano is a useful abstraction, what im really trying to do though is avoid having to create wrappers in MuranoPL for all the functionality that you get for free when using Heat directly17:39
pbourke_as I'm finding MuranoPL cumbersome to write17:39
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pbourke_the cinder volumes are one such example17:40
felipemonteiroIf you have very nuanced questions regarding that, I'd reach out to Stan Lagun, who's the most experienced person that I know when it comes to MuranoPL.17:42
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felipemonteiroAnyone have anything else to discuss, otherwise we can end a bit early?17:55
pbourke_im good, thanks again felipemonteiro17:57
felipemonteiropbourke_: Thanks for showing up :)17:58
felipemonteiro#endmeeting17:58
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 28 19:03:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
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pvanecko/19:03
mguineyo/19:03
catherineDhi everyone ,  sorry I started the meeting at the wrong channel19:03
mguineyit happens!19:04
catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-03-2819:04
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catherineDyup start the meeting at the openstack-channel :-)19:04
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catherineDlet's start ..19:06
catherineD#topic      Emergency RefStack site update made last Friday ( Mar 24, 2017 )19:06
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sslypushenko_o/19:06
catherineDsslypushenko_: hello19:06
catherineDso last week we found that there is an OpenID change in user name (replacing space with dot) that affected RefStack  ...19:07
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catherineDthanks to pvaneck: the issue was handle quickly ...19:08
mguineynice! good job pvaneck19:09
catherineDalso thanks to sslypushenko_:  merged the code quickly so we could make  update to the website on Friday19:09
pvaneckyea, doubt many people were affected19:09
luzCo/19:09
pvaneckjust happened to affect both catherine and I hah19:10
sslypushenko_catherineD:  I'm at your service :)19:10
catherineDsslypushenko_: thank you very much!19:10
catherineDThe affect is that I suddenly see none of my data as if the data was lost ...19:11
catherineDlosing data in never a good thing ...19:11
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catherineDI want to mention the issue here so the team know about that incase some one else would see the error . but the issue is fixed now19:12
catherineDagain thank pvaneck: for the quick fix ...19:12
catherineDmoving on ...19:12
catherineD#topic Displaying RefStack documentation19:13
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catherineDA quick summary on last week's agreement19:13
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catherineDThere are 2 types of documents for RefStack 1) RefStack project document 2) RefStack user (test & upload data) document19:14
catherineDit was decided last week that type 1 doc will be published to the OpenStack doc website19:15
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catherineDtype 2 doc (RefStack user doc) will be published at the RefStack website19:15
sslypushenko_Sounds good to me19:16
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catherineDand we understand that tools for type 2 doc will be oneoff developed by RefStack19:16
catherineDso for the tools to host the doc at RefStack site19:17
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catherineDpvaneck: is investigating ...19:17
catherineDpvaneck: any update19:18
pvaneckhttp://refstack.mybluemix.net/#/about a sample of what it might look like with rsts converted to html, then placed on about page19:18
mguineyNice! looks really good19:20
catherineDpvaneck: is docutils used ?19:20
luzCpvaneck: it looks good :)19:20
pvaneckcatherineD: yes, i used docutils to give a full fledged html file for each rst, then only keep the body contents19:21
catherineDpvaneck: that is great !19:21
pvaneckjust the body contents are desired19:21
catherineDyes it looks nice ...19:21
catherineDhow hard is it to include a content table ?19:22
pvaneckthe nav bar is essentially a content table19:22
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catherineDso instead of having the tabs we can replacing those with a content table with links  ..  I expect we would have more links and the tabs maybe too busy ... but it looks good now19:24
pvaneckunless you'd prefer somehting like this: https://kubernetes.io/docs/getting-started-guides/ with the links on the side19:24
catherineDPersonally I like that (the kubernetes doc ..)..19:25
sslypushenko_+119:25
catherineDhow about everyone else?19:25
luzC+119:25
mguiney+119:25
sslypushenko_This style is pretty coomon19:26
pvanecksure, can change it19:26
catherineDpvaneck:  that is great ..thanks!19:26
catherineDI think we finally getting there ...19:26
mguiney\o/19:27
catherineDalright let's move on ...19:27
catherineDfor hosting the project doc at the openstack doc site ...19:28
catherineDI think luzC: pretty much have the patches to do so ..19:28
catherineDwe just need to decide on the content ...19:29
catherineDfor me, I do not mind just published all RefStack rst doc on the OpenStack site  .. that is we will have duplicate doc displace on both side but since the source is the same .. I really do not mind ...19:30
catherineDyour thoughts?19:31
luzCI agree19:31
luzCpublish it as it is19:31
mguiney+119:31
catherineDluzC: yea19:31
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catherineDany other discussion on this topic ?19:32
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catherineDalright moving on ...19:34
catherineD#topic Update existing certified data with the verified flag19:34
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catherineDmguiney: any update?19:34
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mguineyyep! chris (who does not appear to be in today bc of travel) had me abandon the patch, because it is not a built-in part of refstack19:35
catherineD?19:36
mguineyrather a tool that works on a spreadsheet that is external19:36
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mguineyi do have it on github, and can link that if anyone wants to test, but that is the current state of the project19:36
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catherineDwe can look at the tools but since these touch the RefStack db ... we think it would be better to go throught the review process ..19:37
catherineDpvaneck: luzC: sslypushenko_: your thoughts?19:38
mguineyah ok. I can ping him and ask, then19:38
sslypushenko_+1 for having it on gerrit19:39
mguineyyour point about the review process is a good point. I can always just reactivate the patch in the meantime19:39
pvaneckyea, can use it for review19:39
mguineybut it does deal more with the data spreadsheet than with refstack's internal db19:39
catherineDI do not mind the spreadsheet part to be reveal ...19:40
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catherineDreveal -- > reviewed ...19:40
catherineDI meant we do not need to review the spreadsheet part ... because to me that is just the source of data ...19:41
catherineDbut as soon as you call the RefStack API to update the RefStack db ... that is what we need to review ..19:41
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mguineyyes of course, and data can be pulled from any sheet with the same type of data19:41
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mguineyi will un-abandon that for the time being, then, and ping chris to confirm19:42
catherineDand we do not care the format of the spreadsheet ..19:42
catherineDas said the spreadsheet is just the source of data ..19:43
catherineDso have you get  to the point where you call the RefStack API?19:43
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mguineyi have not. that would be used to update the status of the results, correct?19:44
mguineyaka, to make sure that there are no newer results?19:44
catherineDI agree with Chris that the tools to manipulate the spreadhseet does not need to be reviewed.19:45
catherineDSo Chris has a list of RefStack links.  Those are the verified data ...19:46
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catherineDwe want to identify those links in RefStack and update the field field to "true" ( verified data ).19:47
mguineyok, that made sense to me as well, which was why i was a bit confused.19:48
mguineythat makes sense, thank you19:48
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catherineDmguiney: we can have separated meeting to go in more detail with you ..19:49
mguineysounds good, thank you19:49
catherineDmguiney: np .. just let me know when you are ready ... we can walk you thru what needed to be done ..19:49
mguineyI am ready whenever you have time, I definitely want to get this straightened out so that I can get a patch pushed :)19:50
catherineDmguiney: alright let me ping you off line about a meeting ...19:51
catherineDmoving on ...19:51
catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:51
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catherineD#link     Spec for adding RefStack docs to the website natively (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437175/ )19:52
catherineDmguiney: do you mind update the spec describing the 2 types of documents and the location to publish them as we discuss here ?19:52
mguineycan do, was planning on updating after meeting19:53
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catherineDmguiney: Thank you19:53
catherineD#link     Change doc references from DefCore to Interop Working Group  (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/  )19:54
rockygoops  I think I missed the meeting :-(19:54
catherineDluzC: I guess we still waiting for DefCore repository to move to the new one19:54
catherineDrockyg: hello19:54
luzCyes, plus it is in merge conflict, so I'll take a look19:55
luzCrockyg: hi :)19:55
catherineDluzC: maybe just wait until they move and then do it all at one time :-)19:55
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luzCthat's true, I'll waity19:56
luzC*wait19:56
catherineDmoving on ..19:56
catherineD#link     Add scripts for running refstack-client in docker (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/  )19:56
sslypushenko_I will update patch soon19:56
catherineDsslypushenko_: I still can not get this to work for me but luzC: got it ...19:56
catherineDI need to debug my env19:57
catherineDsslypushenko_: I will wait for the new update then?19:57
sslypushenko_catherineD:  yeap19:57
catherineDgreat ... thx19:57
catherineD#link  (WIP) Adding refstack to openstack-projects.html (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446615/ )19:57
sslypushenko_I hope next version should work19:57
catherineDluzC: now we have decided to host the doc at 2 places so these patches would really help us to publish at the OpenStack doc site ..19:59
luzCyes, I'll remove the WIP19:59
catherineDluzC: +120:00
catherineDthank you everyone !20:00
catherineDwe need to end the meeting now ...20:00
catherineDbye!20:00
mguineyhave a good day!20:00
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catherineD#endmeeting20:00
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