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| dirk | o/ | 12:04 |
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| jpena | o/ | 12:05 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry 4 late | 12:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 12:09:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's start with agenda editing | 12:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | meeting was shifted to one hour earlier. | 12:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov dirk jpena | 12:11 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena | 12:11 |
| number80 | O/ | 12:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | hi number80 | 12:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's start then | 12:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ | 12:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:14 | |
| IgorYozhikov | I want to finish with initial nova commit and cherrypick it into stable ocata | 12:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | finally all CIs are green | 12:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | any opinions for this PR? | 12:15 |
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| toabctl | hi | 12:18 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I need to review it. last time I looked it was mostly good | 12:18 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, sitll had no time to review. pardon | 12:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | thanx, because it is loooooong time on review | 12:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | and I want to backport it into stable/ocata and update according pike | 12:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, will wait for your updates then | 12:21 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and could we review||merge it until pike-1? | 12:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm about nova | 12:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | Apr 10 - Apr 14 | 12:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | anything else related to this topic ^^^ ? | 12:25 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: we're all guilty of not reviewing in time.. we have a long list of things that require reviews.. | 12:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | it's understood | 12:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | just do not want to make it stall | 12:28 |
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| toabctl | there are plenty of things stall :) | 12:28 |
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| IgorYozhikov | moving forward with next topic? | 12:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 12:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:29 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything urgent which is blocks further work? | 12:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | and required attention? | 12:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I saw + /usr/bin/python2 setup.py build_sphinx | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | running build_sphinx | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | error: error in setup.cfg: command 'build_sphinx' has no such option 'warning_is_error' | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | RPM build errors: | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.cFhpZp (%build) | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.cFhpZp (%build) | 12:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | can someone tell what is wrong? ^^^ | 12:34 |
| jpena | I think that's an old oslo.sphinx version | 12:34 |
| jpena | let me check | 12:34 |
| jpena | actually, it's python-sphinx | 12:35 |
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| jpena | IgorYozhikov: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:sphinx15 | 12:38 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, thanx, so we need to update it after code will be landed, right? | 12:39 |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov: it has landed already in some projects, so we need a newer python-sphinx version in the repos | 12:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, going to update it 1.5.1 | 12:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | on MOS CI side | 12:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything else about reviews? | 12:43 |
| toabctl | nope | 12:44 |
| jpena | nothing from my side | 12:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic OpenFloor | 12:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenFloor (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:44 | |
| toabctl | I think most of the rebuild problems are solved | 12:44 |
| toabctl | there is one bug left in oslo.middleware but one of the oslo guys is working on that | 12:44 |
| toabctl | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.middleware/+bug/1679658 | 12:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1679658 in oslo.middleware "TestRequestBodySizeLimiter.test_request_too_large_no_content_length fails with low concurrency" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to ChangBo Guo(gcb) (glongwave) | 12:45 |
| toabctl | beside that we should be able to continue with all the dependency/oslo updates | 12:46 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, thanx 4 update | 12:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | other topics? | 12:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, see you soon and thanx for participating | 12:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 12:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 12:52:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-04-06-12.09.html | 12:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-04-06-12.09.txt | 12:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-04-06-12.09.log.html | 12:52 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 14:02:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
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| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:03 |
| dstepanenko | hi | 14:03 |
| raliev | hey guys | 14:04 |
| szaher | daemontool raliev slashme m3m0 dstepanenko deepak_jon vnogin jiaopengju | 14:04 |
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| szaher | you will the agenda here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:07 |
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| szaher | #topic Move tempest plugins to separate repo | 14:09 |
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| szaher | vnogin mentioned we need to move freezer tempest plugin to a new repo | 14:10 |
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| szaher | I'm not sure if we really need this or not but I think it might be good, so we can tempest testing and add some more gates | 14:11 |
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| szaher | Can we vote on it guys ? move tempest testing to a new repo | 14:11 |
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| szaher | #startvote Move Freezer tempest plugin to a new repo | 14:12 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:12 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher could you please clarify on this | 14:13 |
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| dstepanenko | the main reason why we need it is that we can't do tempest test of it while it doesn't reside in separate repo | 14:13 |
| dstepanenko | am I right? | 14:13 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin we need to open a freezer repo like this one, only dedicated for tempest testing | 14:13 |
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| dstepanenko | so the answer to my question is yes, isn't it? | 14:14 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: https://github.com/openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin | 14:15 |
| raliev | do we have another examples using separate repo except ironic? | 14:15 |
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| szaher | raliev: yes we do | 14:15 |
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| szaher | raliev: https://github.com/openstack/tempest-horizon https://github.com/openstack/designate-tempest-plugin | 14:15 |
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| szaher | raliev: I'm not really sure if it's a guideline from OS or what | 14:16 |
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| dstepanenko | let's investigate this question and go back to it next week | 14:17 |
| dstepanenko | because as far as I see we don't have enough information for making decision | 14:17 |
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| dstepanenko | don't think it's a good idea to start work without being sure we really need it | 14:18 |
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| dstepanenko | what do you think, guys? | 14:18 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: +1 | 14:18 |
| raliev | another +1 to dstepanenko ^) | 14:18 |
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| m3m0 | +1 | 14:19 |
| szaher | Cool Let's move on to another project | 14:19 |
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| szaher | #topic Freezer-DR | 14:20 |
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| szaher | Did anyone take a look at freezer-dr guys | 14:21 |
| szaher | any enhancement plans ? | 14:21 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: raliev Did you take a look at this component before ? | 14:22 |
| dstepanenko | I looked into it several months ago but need some time to refresh my memories | 14:22 |
| raliev | dstepanenko has a bit experience | 14:22 |
| szaher | It's mainly for providing compute node HA | 14:22 |
| szaher | We're planing to do some changes and extend it to do some sort of dr | 14:22 |
| szaher | simply it monitors the compute nodes and once there is failure it move workload to another compute host | 14:23 |
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| szaher | The plan is to use between two different clouds to move the workload, I will try to write a bit documentation about it and put it upstream | 14:24 |
| dstepanenko | as far as I remember there were a mechanism to evacuate nodes in case if something in the system went wrong | 14:24 |
| dstepanenko | I mean in case if some openstack service failed or something like that | 14:24 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher: when you say "move the workload", do you think about it as about live migration? | 14:25 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: It depends on the driver you're using, everything in freezer-dr is driver based | 14:26 |
| dstepanenko | yes, I remember | 14:26 |
| dstepanenko | currently it's all about EvactuateDriver | 14:26 |
| szaher | we have monitors, fencers, evacuators, notifiers | 14:26 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: Yes | 14:26 |
| dstepanenko | StandardEvacuator * | 14:27 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: Yes, we can add new drivers and so on | 14:27 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: so, which new features you think it would be nice to have in freezer-dr? | 14:27 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: I hope we can extend it to be the dr for OS | 14:28 |
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| szaher | so we can move all workloads not only VMs between clouds | 14:28 |
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| szaher | May be it can be extended to monitor what's inside the VM itself ?!! | 14:29 |
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| szaher | It might be the application running inside the VM and we have application evacuators | 14:30 |
| vnogin | hi, and sorry, I'm late | 14:30 |
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| szaher | vnogin: Hey np :) | 14:30 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: that's a good idea. Probably it would be good to have also several different monitors each of which would fit different use cases | 14:30 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: so there are few ideas and how can we direct this project | 14:30 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: I think the next step for monitors might be aggregated monitors | 14:31 |
| szaher | we are doing something like that in Monasca driver | 14:31 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: I think it would be good to create a draft containing things that we have, thing that we don't have but would like to have and discuss the ways we can achieve this and exact architecture of each feture | 14:32 |
| dstepanenko | what do you think? | 14:32 |
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| szaher | dstepanenko: Yup. I'll try to prepare a presentation and present this component in the summit and try to dicuss the possible alternatives for freezer-dr and what needs to be done | 14:33 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher: sounds great :) | 14:33 |
| vnogin | szaher: btw, will you join us tomorrow in hangout? | 14:33 |
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| szaher | I'll try to do a demo about freezer-dr like what Julia did and put it on youtube | 14:33 |
| szaher | vnogin: Yes, Sure. I think I can access the link, but I'm thinking of creating a new link and send a mail to the os-dev mailing list | 14:34 |
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| szaher | any more questions/thoughts/ideas about freezer-dr ? | 14:35 |
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| szaher | Ok, let's move on | 14:36 |
| vnogin | have you discussed Move tempest plugins to separate repo already? :) | 14:36 |
| szaher | vnogin: Yes :) | 14:36 |
| vnogin | damn :( | 14:36 |
| szaher | vnogin: People need sometime to think about it and we will continue the discussion next week :) | 14:36 |
| vnogin | ok ) | 14:36 |
| szaher | #topic Summit brainstorming | 14:37 |
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| dstepanenko | vnogin: we decided to clarify the reason why we need it and go back to it next week | 14:37 |
| vnogin | I'll check the log | 14:37 |
| szaher | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Freezer-brainstorming | 14:37 |
| szaher | Guys, I still can't see any input in the brainstorming etherpad :) no one is interested in writing down some ideas for freezer ? | 14:38 |
| dstepanenko | not so fast :) I've just read through it | 14:38 |
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| vnogin | + | 14:38 |
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| vnogin | I think also we can discuss this issue during our meeting | 14:39 |
| szaher | for example I would like us to take a look at this library #link https://pythonhosted.org/python-cloudservers/ref/backup_schedules.html and use a bit cleaner mechanism in scheduling backups | 14:39 |
| szaher | vnogin: I planned for this already :D | 14:39 |
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| szaher | Ok, move on ? | 14:43 |
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| vnogin | ok, let's work on this doc after the meeting | 14:43 |
| vnogin | yep | 14:43 |
| szaher | vnogin: Ok | 14:44 |
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| szaher | #topic Pike-1 1st milestone release | 14:44 |
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| szaher | Please folks we need to finish the pending patches upstream as we need to release the first milestone next week | 14:44 |
| szaher | The first milestone is Apr 10 - Apr 14 | 14:45 |
| szaher | the complete schedule is here https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 14:45 |
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| szaher | dstepanenko: raliev vnogin slashme szaher we all have some pending patches upstream Let's work on them and get them in the first milestone | 14:46 |
| szaher | if someone can't make it, that's fine | 14:46 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: nice plan | 14:46 |
| vnogin | szaher: all my patches have been already merged 1 hour ago :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | vnogin: Cool! | 14:46 |
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| vnogin | I think we need to review oslo db patches | 14:47 |
| szaher | m3m0 was working on that, I think he had some questions for dstepanenko | 14:48 |
| vnogin | they are most needed now, from my point of view | 14:48 |
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| szaher | vnogin: we need to get API v2 merged first and I think oslo.db should work on api v2 directly, what do you think ? | 14:48 |
| vnogin | szaher: agree | 14:49 |
| szaher | #agreed Merged API v2 and Multi-tenancy patch first then Oslo.db | 14:49 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: these 2 oslo.db patches contain both db model and migrations, so they don't depend on api at all and can be merged simultaneously | 14:49 |
| dstepanenko | wait wait :) | 14:49 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: Yes, I know : | 14:50 |
| szaher | :) | 14:50 |
| dstepanenko | they can be done in parallel | 14:50 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: We will merge the model asap | 14:50 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: the patch with db call is coming | 14:50 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: Most welcome :) we process it as soon as it lands :) don't worry | 14:50 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: the 2nd patch with migrations can also be merged in parallel with api v2 patch | 14:50 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: thanks :)! | 14:51 |
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| szaher | Ok, move on to next topic ? | 14:51 |
| vnogin | dstepanenko: szaher I think Saad said that we will use this functionality only for api v2 :) right? so that;s why we need to merge it at the first place | 14:52 |
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| szaher | vnogin: dstepanenko Yes, I think oslo.db should work only on v2 and let's leave v1 as it's for now | 14:53 |
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| vnogin | as we can't backport it to stable branch (I mean oslodb) | 14:53 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: is that Ok ? | 14:54 |
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| szaher | we are running out of time, move on ? | 14:55 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher: I don't think there will be any merge conflicts, but in case they will be, I can resolve them by myself asap | 14:56 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: let's not create these virtual depencies netween these patches, because we don't have much time before the 10th of April | 14:56 |
| dstepanenko | simply lets merge them in normal speed - any order is good | 14:57 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: does it make sense? | 14:57 |
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| szaher | dstepanenko: Ok, np :) but I'm afraid the project_id column will be empty if we use oslo_db patch with v1 as v1 doesn't support project_id | 14:58 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher: yes, it's incompatible with v1, but the exact link between api and storage backend will be in next patch | 14:59 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: we will process the patches as soon as they land :) we will take a look and will test it | 14:59 |
| dstepanenko | so it's safe to merge it | 14:59 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: thanks! | 14:59 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: Yup :) | 14:59 |
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| szaher | #topic Docs | 14:59 |
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| szaher | I will try to do some effort to setup the layout for docs as we need this badly | 15:00 |
| szaher | it's very hard for new developers to understand the process and start working with freezer | 15:00 |
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| szaher | If anyone can do some effort that will be great! | 15:00 |
| szaher | I would appreciate your input on this one guys :) | 15:00 |
| szaher | we have developer docs, api-ref, installation guides and may be docs on how to use freezer | 15:01 |
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| dstepanenko | szaher: so this doc is kind of faq for new developers, is that right? | 15:01 |
| szaher | #topic reviews | 15:01 |
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| vnogin | szaher: yep, docs in freezer it's a total disaster... | 15:01 |
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| szaher | dstepanenko: not sure but it's like the first steps to work with freezer and to develop for freezer | 15:02 |
| szaher | freezer : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open | 15:02 |
| szaher | freezer-api : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-api+status:open | 15:02 |
| szaher | freezerclient : https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-freezerclient+status:open | 15:02 |
| szaher | freezer-dr: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-dr+status:open | 15:02 |
| szaher | freezer-ui: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-web-ui+status:open | 15:02 |
| szaher | Let's continue in freezer room | 15:02 |
| szaher | Thanks guys | 15:02 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 15:02:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-06-14.02.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-06-14.02.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-06-14.02.log.html | 15:02 |
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| gouthamr | @manila folks, i see bswartz in a corridor meeting... | 15:03 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:03 |
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| dustins | gouthamr: Get him to his desk! | 15:03 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 15:03:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | dustins: haha just did | 15:03 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:03 |
| dustins | gouthamr: lol | 15:04 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:04 |
| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:04 |
| ganso | hello | 15:04 |
| dustins | \o | 15:04 |
| bswartz | sorry I got distracted in a hallway conversation | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | too late for a coup | 15:04 |
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| markstur | hi | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:04 |
| * bswartz reminds himself to hide out in the 30 minutes before this meeting so nobody can distract him | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so I didn't have any topics other than the specs to review and priorities | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | tom proposed an agenda item | 15:05 |
| kaisers | hi | 15:05 |
| dustins | gouthamr: Next time lemme know when you're gonna go all coup d'etat over here :) | 15:05 |
| bswartz | let's cover tom's topic first, then we'll address specs | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/114945.html | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | dustins: shhh... | 15:06 |
| tbarron | probably quick | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic Concurrency bugs with LVM driver | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Concurrency bugs with LVM driver (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/114945.html | 15:06 |
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| tommylikehu | tbarron: do you mean we have concurrency bugs in lvm? | 15:06 |
| tbarron | just checking on what lvm concurrency bugs we have filed and if any are known to pertain to running multiple lvm backends on the same node at the same time. | 15:07 |
| bswartz | okay the actual issues are in the "helpers" used by generic and LVM | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/drivers/helpers.py#L170 | 15:07 |
| tbarron | in gate we run with London and Paris lvm backends, both with the same IP set for lvm_share_export_ip | 15:07 |
| bswartz | the way the NFS helper works is by manipulating rules using "exportfs" and copying files around to make the rules permanent | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: so we need some synchronization there I guess | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I would like to do something more cooperation-friendly like using exports.d if possible | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | one of the challenges is that some distros (*cough* Ubuntu *cough*) have ancient NFS tools and might not support what we need to do this right | 15:10 |
| tbarron | are these concurrency issues due to multiple backends or even if we have concurrent operations within a backend? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: honestly I'm not sure -- I've never observed a race condition personally | 15:10 |
| tbarron | i.e. process or thread issues? | 15:10 |
| ganso | tbarron: there were some bugs that pertain to that fact of "multiple backends on the same node at the same time", but some have been addressed | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | I observed other kinds of problems in this code and when I inspected it I immediately got worried about races | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | ok, so this is an area we need to investigate and file bugs in | 15:11 |
| tbarron | not an area where we have long outstanding unsolved bugs already filed | 15:12 |
| ganso | tbarron: there was a bug that the /etc/exportfs file was being handled, saved and overwritten by separate driver instances (multibackend), so access rules were being lost due to race conditions... that was fixed through locking | 15:12 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu: ^^^ agree? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | but in fairness to authors of that NFS helper code I havent' done the investigation to prove that there are problems, and in fairness to ubuntu I haven't checked to see if the NFS tools are too old to use a better approach like /etc/exports.d | 15:12 |
| tbarron | ganso: k, ty | 15:12 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ok, that's what I wanted to know | 15:12 |
| bswartz | my ideal solution here would be one file per share | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | all of them stored in /etc/exports.d | 15:13 |
| bswartz | and manila just updates one file at a time -- no locking needed | 15:13 |
| tbarron | that's basically what rraja does (in difft location) for ganesha | 15:14 |
| tbarron | with uuids in the files so there's no namespace conflict | 15:14 |
| tommylikehu | sorry, I was in handling another issues just now, trying to catch up with you | 15:14 |
| bswartz | right | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | tommylikehu: just knew you were asking about concurrency issues and lvm and wanted to make sure you didn't know of others that weren't mentioned | 15:15 |
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| tommylikehu | I am not sure | 15:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron: so to wrap up this topic, did you plan to work on any of these issues? or are you looking for someone to volunteer? | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I can work them as I hit them and am willing to see what I can do if others hit them | 15:16 |
| tbarron | but we need to file launchpad bugs to get them beyond anecdotal | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu | ganso, the extending share on lvm driver is always failing randomly, is that one possibly could due to this bug? | 15:16 |
| ganso | tommylikehu: I don't think so | 15:16 |
| ganso | tommylikehu: bswartz has hit that bug as well | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu | ganso: ok | 15:16 |
| bswartz | yeah, I would like to invest my own time in rewriting these helpers but it's not a super high priority for me currently | 15:17 |
| ganso | tommylikehu: it may be due to delays when mounting/unmounting | 15:17 |
| tommylikehu | ganso: you mean the delay in lvm? | 15:17 |
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| ganso | tommylikehu: yes | 15:17 |
| tommylikehu | ganso: that could be a bug.. | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: isn't ubuntu old package is a blocker for "rewriting"? | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz: tommylikehu is hitting a similar/same bug as you've hit when you fixed the revert_to_snapshot bug in lvm driver | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: need to investigate that | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu | ganso: I checked the code in cinder, but didn't find a big difference | 15:18 |
| bswartz | what code in cinder? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | cinder doesn't do reverts does it? | 15:19 |
| tommylikehu | extending when volume has snapshot | 15:19 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: it's not your case | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:20 |
| bswartz | so anything else on this topic? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | not from me | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | #topic specs | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila-specs | 15:21 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: can you paste the link you are trying to fix here? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so just a reminder, spec freeze is 1 week away | 15:21 |
| bswartz | we have a lot of specs in good shape | 15:21 |
| bswartz | my major concern is that we need to prioritize and not overcommit out review resources | 15:22 |
| bswartz | s/out/our/ | 15:22 |
| bswartz | zhongjun has 8 specs (!) | 15:22 |
| zhongjun_ | we didn't merge one spec in pike :) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | are all of these really important? | 15:22 |
| zhongjun_ | most of these are important =) | 15:23 |
| bswartz | yeah I know some of this is carryover from earlier releases | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I just know that if we approved all 8, it's unlikely we'd get the dev/review bandwidth to merge all 8 features in pike | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | so we need to make a judgement call about where to draw the line | 15:24 |
| bswartz | all of this is good stuff but some is better than the rest | 15:24 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: you could help by sharing with us your prioritizations for the stuff you've proposed | 15:24 |
| zhongjun_ | ok | 15:25 |
| bswartz | and I think I need to talk to the core reviewers about how much we're all willing to commit to in Pike | 15:25 |
| tommylikehu | agreed | 15:25 |
| zhongjun_ | ensure share, infinite share, Support retrieve shares filtered by export-location, Filter things out providing flexible way to API, dynamic reconfiguration | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I think I'd be happiest if we merged some but not all of these specs | 15:26 |
| zhongjun_ | How about this prioritization | 15:27 |
| bswartz | backup not on the list? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | it also helps if we focus on smaller stuff | 15:27 |
| zhongjun_ | I hope it could on the list | 15:28 |
| bswartz | 5 small features might be easier to deal with than 1 large feature | 15:28 |
| bswartz | in terms of review impact | 15:28 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: I'd love to have share backup too, but nobody thinks it's a small feature and if we commit to it and fail to deliver, then everyone is unhappy | 15:29 |
| zhongjun_ | but you said there are few memebers in pike | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | yes we've lost some reviewer bandwidth | 15:30 |
| bswartz | fortunately we're getting new community members at the same time older members are moving on | 15:30 |
| zhongjun_ | we could do something that we can do | 15:30 |
| bswartz | but it takes time for new people to reach the level of core reviewer | 15:30 |
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| zhongjun_ | good news | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | so core reviewers, do you want to work out the cut line here during the meeting, or would you rather I talk to people individually this afternoon? | 15:33 |
| * markstur wonders if it is easy enough to draw a line now | 15:34 | |
| gouthamr | okay with either.. it'd be good to loop zhongjun_ in because she's working on more stuff that needs reviews. | 15:34 |
| ganso | bswartz: maybe we could have the etherpad where people sign up, and then items that do not have people signed up may be a good indicative of what can be cut out | 15:34 |
| tbarron | and it will be very late in China "this afternoon" | 15:34 |
| tommylikehu | gouthamr: +1 | 15:34 |
| xyang1 | +1 with etherpad | 15:34 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we have zhongjun_'s priorities | 15:35 |
| tommylikehu | +1 xyang1 | 15:35 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: tommylikehu can you mark which of these overlap with similar cinder proposals? | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | yeah, etherpad would work great | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | it comes down to how much we can handle and what the core team wants to prioritize | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I knew I should have done an etherpad weeks ago | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | one momeny | 15:35 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: tommylikehu I'd like the projects not to diverge on some of this stuff unless there is good reason | 15:36 |
| bswartz | moment* | 15:36 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron: two of them I think | 15:36 |
| markstur | some rough prioritization would be nice. It'd help us find that cut-off / stretch-goals line | 15:36 |
| tbarron | dynamic config and filter by LIKE? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-spec-review-focus | 15:36 |
| tommylikehu | oh, plus user message | 15:36 |
| * markstur suspects tbarron was sent here to spy on us for cinder | 15:37 | |
| tbarron | tommylikehu: oh yeah, that one :D | 15:37 |
| zhongjun_ | Okay, good idea | 15:37 |
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| jprovazn | https://review.openstack.org/452097 is infinite share, not user messages | 15:40 |
| zhongjun_ | maybe we could extend specs deadline, beacuse we have more time in pike than ocata | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun_: if theres one or 2 specs we want to grant extensions on I'm happy to do that | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | however a blanket extension is just kicking the can down the road | 15:42 |
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| markstur | blanket extension is called Q | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: I believe we have to designate the hi-pri specs before people sign up to other ones, correct? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | the only one I considered high priority was ipv6 | 15:44 |
| markstur | I agree if we find something where it's harder to get the spec done, but important enough to keep it in-plan | 15:44 |
| bswartz | does someone want to nominate more specs high priority? | 15:44 |
| tommylikehu | ensure share should be one of them | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu: why? | 15:44 |
| zhongjun_ | tommylikehu:+1 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | is it important enough to drop everything and focus on just that? | 15:45 |
| zhongjun_ | It is a common feature, it can solve some problems | 15:45 |
| bswartz | the status quo doesn't seem that terrible | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | it's a problem to be sure, and we can do better | 15:45 |
| bswartz | but high priority means (to me) that it's absolutely essential | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: where is "quota for replicas" spec? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | should we vote? on ensure share high priority? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: didn't write one. is one needed? it's only fixing a bug for missing quotas for that resource | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: why not? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: i don't agree that adding a new resource into the existing quota system needs a spec :) | 15:47 |
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| tommylikehu | bswartz: we can have a try | 15:47 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: a spec can't hurt, it would be super short | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: it will be APIImpact | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: lite-specs? :P glance has that.. | 15:48 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: certainly APIImpact.. i'll write one up if necessary.. | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | #startvote Should ensure_share be a high priority spec for Pike? yes, no | 15:49 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should ensure_share be a high priority spec for Pike? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:49 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:49 |
| tommylikehu | #vote yes | 15:49 |
| bswartz | #vote no | 15:49 |
| tbarron | #vote no | 15:49 |
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| zhongjun_ | #vote yes | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | #vote no | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | #vote no | 15:49 |
| markstur | #vote no | 15:49 |
| tommylikehu | we had a lot of complaint from our product team | 15:49 |
| dustins | #vote no | 15:49 |
| markstur | mabye | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | #vote no | 15:49 |
| tommylikehu | ok....... | 15:49 |
| kaisers | #vote no | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | tommylikehu: we'll still work on it.. :) | 15:49 |
| kaisers | sry | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu: voting is about priority | 15:50 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu: doesn't mean we can't do it, I just am not dropping everything else to sort it out :D | 15:50 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu: we get that's it's high priority for you, but the community has its own priorities | 15:50 |
| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: tbarron , that's clear | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #endvote | 15:50 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should ensure_share be a high priority spec for Pike?" Results are | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | tommylikehu: get your product team here and they can overturn these votes with majority :P | 15:50 |
| openstack | yes (2): tommylikehu, zhongjun_ | 15:50 |
| openstack | no (8): bswartz, markstur, gouthamr, vponomaryov, tbarron, xyang1, kaisers, dustins | 15:50 |
| zhongjun_ | gouthamr: next time :D | 15:51 |
| markstur | we didn't vote it out of Pike, right? | 15:51 |
| tbarron | markstur: right | 15:51 |
| bswartz | okay I'm going back to the etherpad to order the specs | 15:51 |
| markstur | we just singled that one out to make it try harder? | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | markstur: we want to ensure we have priorities about ensuring shares in pike | 15:53 |
| bswartz | markstur: the question whas if anything other than ipv6 should be marked high priority | 15:53 |
| bswartz | the other question the core team needs to answer is how many specs to merge period | 15:54 |
| markstur | she surely should ensure share she shouts ( gouthamr ) | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | okay I moved the 3 that zhongjun_ didn't list as priority below the line | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I'm still not comfortable with the remaining list honestly | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I think the dynamic reconfiguration feature will have pretty high impact | 15:57 |
| zhongjun_ | Could you please put back the "Enhance update shares" | 15:57 |
| bswartz | and if we take that off the list then the rest doesn't look too bad | 15:58 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: like that? | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: enhance update shares is tied to ensure share | 15:58 |
| markstur | feel free to change those lines as you like (wording or whatever) | 15:58 |
| zhongjun_ | It just separated from ensure share =) | 15:58 |
| bswartz | aha, markstur is the leafy green color with no name | 15:58 |
| markstur | verdant | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | green | 15:59 |
| bswartz | alright we at the and of our time in this room | 15:59 |
| bswartz | this is a good start at a cutline | 16:00 |
| bswartz | core reviewers, please ping me if you want to make further changes to this list | 16:00 |
| bswartz | otherwise, focus on reviewing stuff above the line | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 16:00:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-06-15.03.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-06-15.03.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-06-15.03.log.html | 16:00 |
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| unrahul | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 17:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is unrahul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| knangia | 0/ | 17:00 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinaypotluri | O/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:01 |
| unrahul | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:01 |
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| unrahul | lets wait for few minutes and see if anyone else join in | 17:01 |
| aasthad | o/ | 17:02 |
| unrahul | lets start then | 17:02 |
| knangia | Hi lhinds , how are you doing ? | 17:02 |
| unrahul | #topic Syntribos | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:03 | |
| lhinds | hi knangia | 17:03 |
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| vinaypotluri | We have been working on the random fuzzer | 17:03 |
| unrahul | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/syntribos/+spec/random-fuzzer | 17:03 |
| unrahul | #info Random fuzzer for syntribos | 17:03 |
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| unrahul | we had a design session last week on this | 17:04 |
| unrahul | and vinaypotluri has started working on implementing a random string generator basically for syntribos | 17:04 |
| unrahul | This would add to the functionality as in we can fuzz using `non-deterministic` strings. | 17:04 |
| unrahul | anything else vinaypotluri on this ? | 17:05 |
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| vinaypotluri | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452973/ | 17:05 |
| vinaypotluri | Pushed a patch which would need further work as it is dependent on another piece of code | 17:05 |
| unrahul | oh is it up for review? | 17:05 |
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| unrahul | or still in workflow? | 17:05 |
| vinaypotluri | work is still in progress | 17:05 |
| unrahul | okay sounds good. | 17:06 |
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| unrahul | #topic Security Docs | 17:06 |
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| unrahul | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security_guide_osic | 17:06 |
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| lhinds | looks good | 17:06 |
| knangia | OSIC team is working on 4 bugs | 17:06 |
| unrahul | anything up for review from the community knangia ? | 17:07 |
| knangia | work in progress, they are listed in the ether pad above | 17:07 |
| knangia | nope unrahul | 17:07 |
| unrahul | I am working on the `case-studies` bug | 17:07 |
| unrahul | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1680488 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1680488 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Outdated information in OpenStack security guide case studies" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rahul U Nair (rahulunair) | 17:07 |
| unrahul | This would possibly involve review and may be addition of a few more case-studies | 17:08 |
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| unrahul | Once I submit a patch, I shall ask the community to see if we should augment the same | 17:08 |
| unrahul | as always, eternally thankful to asettle | 17:08 |
| unrahul | :) | 17:08 |
| knangia | sounds good unrahul | 17:08 |
| unrahul | for the awesome work she is doing in leading this effor | 17:08 |
| unrahul | effort* | 17:08 |
| lhinds | add me unrahul | 17:08 |
| unrahul | +1 lhinds | 17:09 |
| knangia | I am working on Network namespace bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1459821 and Federated Keystone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1619502 | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459821 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "OpenStack Security Guide - Namespace usage" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Khanak Nangia (knangia) | 17:09 |
| aasthad | I am working on Bug #1447749 | 17:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619502 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Information Validation - Federated keystone in Security Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Khanak Nangia (knangia) | 17:09 |
| aasthad | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossp-security-documentation/+bug/1447749 | 17:09 |
| openstack | bug 1447749 in OpenStack Security Guide Documentation "Networking services in OpenStack Security Guide - Section for LBaaS should have more content" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447749 - Assigned to Aastha Dixit (aastha-dixit) | 17:09 |
| aasthad | I will let the community know when the patch is ready for review | 17:09 |
| unrahul | Let's target to get this merged by next week guys | 17:09 |
| unrahul | There are some interesting wishlist ones that we can snatch and close pretty easily too after this :) | 17:10 |
| knangia | going through docs for network namespace, will upload the patch soon...and then carry onto Federated keystone one | 17:10 |
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| aasthad | after random fuzzer change the is pushed we can focus on posting this bug up ! | 17:10 |
| unrahul | sounds good.. | 17:10 |
| lhinds | +1 knangia | 17:10 |
| unrahul | moving on | 17:10 |
| unrahul | #topic OSSN | 17:10 |
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| unrahul | lhinds: ^ | 17:10 |
| knangia | :) | 17:10 |
| lhinds | Nothing new on OSSN's. | 17:11 |
| unrahul | okay.. | 17:11 |
| lhinds | Clear queue :) | 17:11 |
| unrahul | #topic AOB | 17:11 |
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| unrahul | sorry I moved fast | 17:11 |
| unrahul | yeah .. for once ryt lhinds :) | 17:11 |
| knangia | nothing from my side for AOB | 17:12 |
| unrahul | Any other business guys..? | 17:12 |
| unrahul | the summit , anyone got any confirmation? | 17:12 |
| lhinds | nothing from me unrahul | 17:12 |
| unrahul | lhinds: you will be at the summit? | 17:12 |
| aasthad | nothing else from my end | 17:12 |
| unrahul | okay sounds good guys.. | 17:12 |
| unrahul | See you next week then | 17:12 |
| lhinds | unrahul: I might be. I will be in boston the week before, so its possible | 17:12 |
| unrahul | Was a quick one | 17:12 |
| unrahul | ohh.. | 17:12 |
| lhinds | thanks for chairing unrahul | 17:12 |
| unrahul | nice lhinds | 17:12 |
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| knangia | great lhinds | 17:13 |
| unrahul | np lhinds :) | 17:13 |
| knangia | unrahul: +1 | 17:13 |
| unrahul | #endmeeting | 17:13 |
| vinaypotluri | good job unrahul | 17:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 17:13:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-06-17.00.html | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-06-17.00.txt | 17:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-06-17.00.log.html | 17:13 |
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| Rockyg | spamaps, arch wg? | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | he said 20:00 UTC i his email, I thought it was 19:00 too | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | ah. ok. thanks. | 19:09 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:01 |
| cdent | SpamapS here ot say last rites? | 20:01 |
| ttx | oh, was there a last rites email ? | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | Yes there was. | 20:02 |
| ttx | maybe no point in meeting then | 20:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:03 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 20:03:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | ttx: we should wrap up the loose ends | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ArchWG | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | whoa, somebody already deleted it? | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | thats what I meant | 20:05 |
| ttx | heh | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | #topic Arch-WG EOL | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | So, thanks for showing up | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | It's been fun, but I just don't think this WG has enough momentum to continue. | 20:05 |
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| cdent | is there any sense/possibility in rolling some of the concept back into the TC? | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | cdent: I believe that the TC works well enough, and members should continue to work across project lines | 20:06 |
| ttx | I'll definitely push base services stuff directly at TC level | 20:06 |
| dtroyer | maybe the creation of the process is the useful output of this group, to be used as necessary? | 20:06 |
| dtroyer | at least to use as expectations and guildelines | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | The process we were working in was a bit heavy. | 20:07 |
| dtroyer | it did anticipate more activity | 20:07 |
| ttx | yeah | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | I was building it up hoping for a mroe broad base of proposals. | 20:07 |
| ttx | we could retreat back to using openstack-specs | 20:07 |
| ttx | as a way to build up proposals when needed | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | if it's going to be 2 - 5 people working on 1 - 2 proposals, I think the TC can just foster that activity and specs can be filed in openstack-specs, governance, or as community goals | 20:08 |
| rockyg | o/ | 20:08 |
| cdent | I think it is sad but true that finding the real time to make this go in the way originally defined is too hard for most people (the interested ones are almost always already overspent) | 20:10 |
| dtroyer | if that is the message to come out of here, we should make it clear (again) that it is not limited to the TC to be involved | 20:10 |
| dtroyer | cdent: ++ | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | There's another message to come out of here. | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | Which is that I don't believe OpenStack _wants_ a shared architecture that is well defined. | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | I do believe they want leadership and consensus from the TC. | 20:12 |
| dtroyer | I actually think they do, but they want "them" to do it | 20:12 |
| cdent | SpamapS I know it feels that way, but I don't think that's entirely true | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | and I think we all want some uniformity | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | I'll try to make it sound less cynical. | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | I believe that if we have well defined APIs that don't leak implementation details, we don't need to care about how things happen behind those APIs. | 20:13 |
| cdent | dtroyer: I'm not sure what you say is true either. I think there are loads of people who love to do it, if they just had the time. | 20:13 |
| cdent | So many of us are doing 5 or 6 jobs. | 20:13 |
| ttx | some do, but the majority just goes after more urgent problems | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | So we should put in guidelines for what to do behind those APIs, but we also should let projects innovate there and not worry too much if one goes a little bit off the reservation, because they might just set the tone for everyone else's next refactor. | 20:13 |
| dtroyer | I'm thinking more at a company level here | 20:13 |
| cdent | dtroyer: oh. that. yeah. | 20:14 |
| rockyg | boy +1000 to all of this | 20:14 |
| dtroyer | I know that this was a good thing in my managemern circle until they realized it wasn't an emterprise-like architecture thing | 20:14 |
| dtroyer | look at how things have been adopted by many projects that are less than 4 years old… when encouraged to look at something that exists as a pattern it is often adopted without NIH or re-work concerns | 20:14 |
| dtroyer | what I've heard a lot about is the really hard problem of fixing the 'original projects' which just isn't going to happen | 20:15 |
| dtroyer | for everyone's own personal value of 'fixing' | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | dtroyer: indeed! What I learned was that it wasn't even possible to get agreement on the existence of problems within Nova. | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | To Nova's credit, they have carried a massive burden and are working hard to make things better for everyone. | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | But nobody would agree on what, if anything was "broken", so there wasn't much for me to try and facilitate "fixing" | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | funny thing is I recall Jesse & Joshua lamenting that about the time Vish joined… it set in early | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | actually, it was probably later than that, but still at Ames | 20:17 |
| * dtroyer shuts up now | 20:18 | |
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| rockyg | Yeah. but, maybe if we could provide them cover, some of the more egreious issues can be addressed. | 20:19 |
| cdent | "cover"? | 20:19 |
| rockyg | Oh, yeah. | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: that's exactly what I was hoping to do. Give people a safe place to air their grievances. The silence was deafening. | 20:19 |
| dtroyer | I think it is going to take a dedicated group of people with first-hand knowledge and history with multiple projects to do anything approaching major | 20:20 |
| rockyg | So, here's a question: once scheduler and placement is modularized out, what would you consider the next functionality to pull out into its own module? | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: I believe all of the agents that run on compute nodes should be combined into a compute service that has its own API. | 20:21 |
| dtroyer | there's a group that has long wanted to pull out the hypervisor drivers | 20:21 |
| dtroyer | team-wise | 20:21 |
| cdent | i'm pro that | 20:21 |
| rockyg | I think if we look at nova that way, we might be able to provide it as the pluggable platform for data plane services | 20:21 |
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| SpamapS | Because the problem as I see it, which I couldn't get any agreement on, is that the way things are arranged leads to fear of refactoring. | 20:22 |
| rockyg | And I'm blocked...... | 20:22 |
| rockyg | IRC has been giving me hell the past few days. Sorry. | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: I see your words. :) | 20:22 |
| dtroyer | rockyg: it may be more useful to pull out the useful bits into reusable things then build the more generic framework | 20:22 |
| dtroyer | I do too | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, I also have reduced my focus on OpenStack to basically "power user" so I'm also just not developing anything on OpenStack ATM. | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | so on a personal level, my Arch-WG work was feeling less and less connected to reality. | 20:23 |
| dtroyer | so there's a thing that is repeating itself all over... | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | yes? | 20:25 |
| cdent | reducing focus? | 20:26 |
| cdent | or disconnection from reality? | 20:26 |
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| dtroyer | sorry… not just the corporate restructuring but it happening on more personal levels too | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | I think we've said basically all the things. I want to quickly reiterate the past action items and then we'll wrap it up. | 20:26 |
| cdent | I've been complaining to myself of late that my openstack development is disconnected from reality becaue I don't have any opporunities to use openstack | 20:26 |
| ttx | SAY ALL THE THINGS | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | hah | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | I use OpenStack every day now. It's fine. | 20:26 |
| rockyg | Yeah. Let's use openstack! | 20:26 |
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| dtroyer | cdent: that is a hude deal for a lot of devs | 20:27 |
| dtroyer | s/hude/huge/ | 20:27 |
| ttx | huder | 20:27 |
| rockyg | take a dev to work day! | 20:27 |
| * cdent nods | 20:27 | |
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| SpamapS | also worth noting every time you 'git review' you use the largest multi-cloud application in the world.. which runs entirely on openstack. ;) | 20:27 |
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| dtroyer | I know that was one of the original things that OSIC was planning to do internally, to get devs into managing the real deployments fro a time to see it firsthand | 20:28 |
| rockyg | So, hypothetically, if we could get an open lab up, that would allow for longer term experiments, what would it look like and what would it need. Essentially a community lab | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | yeah that's exactly what OSIC was going to do | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | then they gave 1000 servers to CNCF ;-) | 20:28 |
| rockyg | That allows for longer than two week projects (OSIC style is 2 wks) | 20:28 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: is that where my capacity went? nice | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | youbetchya | 20:28 |
| clarkb | (also we run two clouds in the open if anyone is interested) | 20:28 |
| clarkb | vanilla and chocolate | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | And yes, you can help run infra-cloud :) | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | anyway, lingering actions: | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g Send email regarding implementation bleed-through (stretch: submit as raw proposal) (Carried since Feb 9 2017) | 20:29 |
| rockyg | Yeah, but Huawei has proposed its follow-on labs and one of our architects says he needs more than two weeks. | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | rocky_g Resurrect Error Codes and Logging Improvements spec and socialize appropriately before PTG (Carried since Feb 9 2017) | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | ttx to change expand/contract concept to default first to picking the best if possible | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | harlowja to spin up some attention to memory usage in projects | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | I don't think any of those are leaving any unresolved commitments. Just arch-wg business that can continue as individual devs/tc/etc. | 20:29 |
| rockyg | SpamapS, I actually sent a backchannel email to mreidem about that just yesterday.... | 20:29 |
| rockyg | He seems to be wanting to get interop and testing for it in better shape | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | I also think implementation bleed-thru is a joint problem for interop and api-wg | 20:30 |
| rockyg | And, the error codes are on the Forum schedule. I've got a session and a BoF. Just no time to do this. I should get the etherpad for ccollaborating on speccs up today or tomorrow. | 20:31 |
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| * cdent nods | 20:31 | |
| SpamapS | Cool | 20:31 |
| rockyg | I'm trying to redefine my job to let me focus deeply on cross project implementations -- push down from users to a form that is understandable and actionable by devs | 20:31 |
| cdent | so in the sense of stepping back for a moment: everyone keeps saying "just no time". This is a huge fundamental problem that is the roadblock for, well, everything. Can we do anything about it? | 20:31 |
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| SpamapS | cdent: time is money is time. | 20:32 |
| rockyg | Yah. | 20:32 |
| rockyg | Another thing to think about: committer vs maintainer in Linux. | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | Peoples priorities are driven by their sponsors for the most part. Which is the right thing. If we want longer term, less concrete work to happen, we need corporate sponsors to ask their people to work that way. | 20:33 |
| rockyg | Committers tend to do the bleeding edge features. Maintainers tend to make the code base higher quality | 20:33 |
| rockyg | But the maintainers are the systems folks. cross project, integrated system thinkers | 20:33 |
| rockyg | We need a way to promote maintainers and make their positions important. | 20:34 |
| rockyg | If they are considered important, they would get the time to do this stuff they (we) need to do. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | we have plenty of maintainer types | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | well not plenty | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | we have some | 20:34 |
| rockyg | With no time to do the system level. | 20:34 |
| rockyg | We talk about bugfixing as strategic, but not architecture consistency as strategic | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | As the hype curve continues to fall back to reality, maintainers will be more valued. | 20:35 |
| rockyg | Very true. | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: architecture consistency is a direct assault on bug creation rates. | 20:35 |
| rockyg | You know that, I know that, but it's amazing how many devs don't know that. | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | Go read Phoenix project. Unplanned work must be cut off at the roots, not continuously mowed down only to pop back up. | 20:36 |
| cdent | I think you guys are underestimating at least some devs. A lot of them know that. They simply don't have the time. The backlog is years deep. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | I believe _most_ know that. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | And I believe most are simply tasked with other things. | 20:37 |
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| rockyg | Do we have the backlogs defined and categorized? Can we go and look at them any time we want to refer a new developer to some needed work? | 20:38 |
| rockyg | Maybe that's what we should start with, then. Making sure the backlog is known and accessible. | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | I do not begrudge their employers' desire to quickly get features and integration work done at the expense of quality. | 20:38 |
| cdent | rockyg: that's a good question. for me a lot of it is half-assed: things I know I would work on if I had the headspace. | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: in theory, it's in Launchpad. In reality, it's probably in peoples' heads. | 20:38 |
| rockyg | Right, cdent. Maybe this is where we get TC help to do a backlog documentation sprint. Get all teams to figure out their backlogs and categorize and prioritize them over the course of a couple/few days. | 20:39 |
| rockyg | Launchpad is a bug/artifact repository. What goes in seldom moves out. | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | I believe that was Pike, wasn't it? | 20:40 |
| cdent | rockyg: vote for me and I'll put that on the list ;) | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | Teams were encouraged to pay down debt for the shorter cycle, IIRC. | 20:40 |
| rockyg | It's really unmanageable. that's why everyone has been trying for something better for *years* | 20:40 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: ocata, and i really didn't get much sense that that happened | 20:40 |
| clarkb | (gate stability rates were pretty bad as one measure of whether or not that was a thing) | 20:41 |
| rockyg | Actually, clarkb SpamapS I thinka fair amount did happen. | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | Ocata right, not Pike. | 20:41 |
| rockyg | There really were fewer specs/bps and more care taken when code went in | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | Anyway, thanks again for everything. | 20:42 |
| rockyg | ++ | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I'll submit patches to remove the meetings from the calendar. | 20:42 |
| rockyg | Dang. | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | If anybody wants to resurrect it, by all means, do it, and don't wait for me. ;-) | 20:43 |
| rockyg | I missed the first shoe dropping by missing the start of the meeting, didn't I? | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | rockyg: I sent an email a few hours ago too. | 20:43 |
| * SpamapS pours one out for Arch-WG and calls it. | 20:43 | |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:43 | |
| rockyg | Ah. I'll go read it. Thanks for all your effort! | 20:43 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 20:43:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-04-06-20.03.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-04-06-20.03.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-04-06-20.03.log.html | 20:43 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: thanks for your efforts! | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:44 |
| * ttx sees the good side of it, no more Thursdaynight meetings | 20:44 | |
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| cdent | SpamapS: if you're not going to be arch-wg and mostly power-usering, where do I go if I want to find you? | 20:48 |
| dtroyer | cdent: looks like he's already left here | 20:49 |
| cdent | ah well | 20:49 |
| ttx | cdent: at the bar ? | 20:49 |
| cdent | we live in interesting times | 20:49 |
| cdent | probably a good choice, that whole time I was thinking I should pour out a drink for everyone | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | still in #openstack-dev :) | 20:50 |
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| jrobinson | Hi, the fortnightly docs meeting will begin in about 10 minutes. | 20:51 |
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| jrobinson | #startmeeting docteam | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 21:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jrobinson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:00 |
| jrobinson | We'll start with a roll call. | 21:01 |
| jrobinson | Who is around for the meeting today? | 21:01 |
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| ianychoi | o/ | 21:01 |
| skelso | o/ | 21:01 |
| Mutter | Hi psargent is here... New to the doc team | 21:02 |
| ianychoi | skelso, hi :) Mutter hello! | 21:02 |
| jrobinson | ianychoi, skelso o/ | 21:02 |
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| jrobinson | Mutter, welcome to the meeting :) | 21:03 |
| ianychoi | jrobinson, :) | 21:03 |
| skelso | Hi ianchoi | 21:03 |
| bmoss | howdy | 21:03 |
| jrobinson | bmoss, o/ | 21:03 |
| ianychoi | bmoss, good morning! | 21:03 |
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| Mutter | Hello | 21:04 |
| bmoss | good morning all! | 21:04 |
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| jrobinson | I suspect other attendees might arrive with updates similar to last meeting, so I'll continue with the agenda. | 21:06 |
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| darrenc | o/ | 21:06 |
| jrobinson | First of all, I'll just briefly mention Alex (asettle) was unable to host the meeting today, but has a written several items on the agenda. | 21:07 |
| jrobinson | darrenc, \o | 21:07 |
| psargent | Hello, this is my first meeting | 21:07 |
| darrenc | welcome psargent! | 21:07 |
| psargent | Thank you! | 21:07 |
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| jrobinson | psargent, If you're not familiar with IRC meetings, there will be conversation topics tied to the agenda, which you can see here: | 21:08 |
| jrobinson | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 21:08 |
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| psargent | Ok, got it, thanks | 21:08 |
| jrobinson | I'll start with the first item | 21:09 |
| jrobinson | #topci Action items from the last meeting | 21:09 |
| jrobinson | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:09 | |
| jrobinson | Since we didn't have any to action, moving on to the next topic | 21:09 |
| jrobinson | #topic Countdown to summit - Boston | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to summit - Boston (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:09 | |
| jrobinson | This is mainly an update on some specific sessions taking place at Boston. | 21:10 |
| jrobinson | A reminder that docs and I18n have project onboarding sessions. | 21:10 |
| jrobinson | And a new update - There will be a User Committee forum topic on finding Ops Guide feedback | 21:11 |
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| jrobinson | This will be carried by Melvin Hillsman (mrhillsman - irc) | 21:11 |
| jrobinson | Forums are a new part of the conference | 21:11 |
| jrobinson | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 21:12 |
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| jrobinson | #Info "the entire OpenStack community (users and developers) gathers to brainstorm the requirements for the next release, gather feedback on the past version, and have strategic discussions that go beyond just one release cycle." | 21:12 |
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| jrobinson | There will also be a topic on developer.openstack.org, which David Flanders from the OpenStack foundation will speak on. | 21:14 |
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| jrobinson | These two sessions are relevant to us for our Operator Docs, and because the developer.o.o houses our API, SDK, and other dev related docs. | 21:14 |
| jrobinson | #Info Alex has asked that if you have any feedback or questions about the forum topics on the Ops Guide, or developer.o.o to please contact her. | 21:16 |
| jrobinson | Alex's main objective is to find places to reduce technical debt for docs housed on developer.o.o | 21:16 |
| jrobinson | Again, the Summit Schedule is available: | 21:16 |
| jrobinson | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/ | 21:16 |
| jrobinson | Any questions on this at the moment? | 21:17 |
| ianychoi | Nope now | 21:18 |
| bsilverman_10 | no | 21:18 |
| jrobinson | If anything comes up, you can let Alex know. | 21:18 |
| jrobinson | Next topic: | 21:19 |
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| jrobinson | #topic PTL report | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL report (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:19 | |
| jrobinson | "I (asettle) still in the process of drafting a governance tag for our guides called "docs:follows-policy". I have been working with Doug Hellmann (dhellmann) in the last week to change to draft dramatically, so it would be good for docs people to review again." | 21:19 |
| jrobinson | The new governance tag patch reviews continued: | 21:20 |
| jrobinson | "We are trying to make this a more broad tag now, so it can be applied for other guides too." | 21:20 |
| jrobinson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445536/ | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | I just RC+1 that draft, and from my perspective it's ready for the docs team to sign off. We'll likely need to land the contrib guide detail patch before the governance patch, so reviewing that would help, too. | 21:21 |
| jrobinson | Thank you dhellmann | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/453642 | 21:21 |
| jrobinson | It is in need of reviews or feedback. | 21:22 |
| jrobinson | Alex is also working on contributor guide instructions on how the tag will be used | 21:22 |
| jrobinson | This is the second link dhellmann shared^ | 21:23 |
| jrobinson | Again please review when you can. | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | to make this go smoothly, it's important to land *something* and iterate on the details, so keep that in mind when reviewing the contrib guide doc | 21:23 |
| ianychoi | dhellmann, oh.. contributor guide.. good point - it would be a good reference how to make use of the tag and also how to request another tag in openstack/governance thanks :) | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | we wouldn't want subsequent updates to be drastically different, but if there are small changes or details to add, this will all go faster if those happen as follow-ups instead of requiring new revisions of the contrib guide change | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | ianychoi : yes, we're trying to put as much of the detail as possible there, where it is easy for the team to manage, and won't require TC approval | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | This is true, we can always make word choice adjustments in follow up patches after the main content - improving what we have - merges. | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | jrobinson : right | 21:25 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) | 21:25 |
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| jrobinson | Any further questions or thoughts on the governance tag? | 21:27 |
| jrobinson | Okay, next topic on the list | 21:28 |
| jrobinson | #topic Speciality teams reports | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams reports (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:28 | |
| jrobinson | API - annegentle is there an update on the API docs? | 21:29 |
| annegentle | jrobinson hi, all I had for this week I sent to the list | 21:29 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114690.html | 21:29 |
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| annegentle | In a nutshell, API versioning in relation to release versioning is currently manually compiled for the 40-ish API services | 21:30 |
| annegentle | so ideas on how to automate and surface that info welcomed | 21:30 |
| jrobinson | thank you annegentle! | 21:31 |
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| jrobinson | Configuration Reference and CLI Reference : I'm not sure if katomo is here at the moment. | 21:33 |
| jrobinson | No new updates on the dev mailing list I can see. Next is HA Guide | 21:34 |
| jrobinson | iphutch, any HA guide updates? | 21:34 |
| iphutch | we are continuing to collaborate with OS DevOps team | 21:34 |
| iphutch | see the tag ha-guide-draft for bugs opened to fill content for the new guide | 21:35 |
| iphutch | (in launchpad) | 21:35 |
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| jrobinson | Thank you iphutch | 21:36 |
| jrobinson | Next is Hypervisor Training | 21:37 |
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| jrobinson | Can't see any updates from Blair on the ML | 21:38 |
| jrobinson | Moving on the Installation Guides | 21:38 |
| jrobinson | One update from loquacities: | 21:38 |
| jrobinson | "We have now branched, so please remember to backport if you have edits to the Ocata guide now. Big thanks to all the testers who have been working hard over the past month or two (that Nova cells bug was *tough*!), and to Brian and Mariia for doing the heavy lifting." | 21:39 |
| jrobinson | "Noticed a bunch links to draft versions of the guide in Newton/Ocata branches, backports for that have been merged, and the Contributor Guide updated so we don't miss it in the future (https://docs.openstack.org/contributor guide/release/taskdetail.html#update-links-in-all-books)." | 21:39 |
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| jrobinson | For the Networking Guide: Could not find any updates from John Davidge | 21:41 |
| jrobinson | Moving on to Operations and Architecture Design Guides | 21:41 |
| jrobinson | darrenc, any updates on the Arch Design and Ops Guides? | 21:42 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:42 |
| darrenc | Arch Guide: edited architecture considerations content and cleaned up the index page structure which was applied across OS manuals. Some ops-related content was moved to the Ops Guide | 21:42 |
| darrenc | Our current focus is improving the storage design content and networking design content | 21:42 |
| bsilverman_10 | +1 :slightly_smiling_face: | 21:43 |
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| darrenc | lol | 21:43 |
| jrobinson | Thank you darrenc | 21:43 |
| jrobinson | Security Guides: I can't find any updates from Nathaniel Dillon | 21:44 |
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| jrobinson | Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur | 21:45 |
| jrobinson | Apart from an older update on the OpenStack Upstream Institute for training, I can't see any new updates | 21:45 |
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| jrobinson | Training Labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi | 21:46 |
| jrobinson | The training labs Ocata release became available this week. | 21:47 |
| ianychoi | Great :) | 21:47 |
| jrobinson | Good news \o/ | 21:47 |
| jrobinson | Thanks to the training guides team for their work here, despite changing responsibilities. | 21:47 |
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| jrobinson | Admin and User Guides: | 21:47 |
| ianychoi | s/training guides/training labs :) | 21:47 |
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| jrobinson | Yes! thanks ianychoi, sorry, that was the incorrect team name there. | 21:48 |
| ianychoi | jrobinson, fine - sometimes it is confusing :) | 21:48 |
| jrobinson | For the user guides - the spec on migrating the Admin Guide content this week moved closer to merging. | 21:49 |
| jrobinson | I started preparing the work items for action on the User Guides tasks wiki page. | 21:49 |
| jrobinson | I'll find the links in a moment, but moving on | 21:50 |
| jrobinson | Docs theme and tools: bmoss any updates ? | 21:50 |
| bmoss | - Anne has a spec up for theme consolidation, please check it out: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454346/ | 21:50 |
| bmoss | - Brian has fixed up the sitemap tool tests, reviews welcome: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453976/ | 21:50 |
| bmoss | - 41 open bugs, 13 closed in Pike | 21:50 |
| bmoss | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454346/ | 21:51 |
| bmoss | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453976/ | 21:51 |
| bmoss | that's about it from me | 21:51 |
| jrobinson | thank you bmoss | 21:52 |
| jrobinson | #topic Bug triaging | 21:52 |
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| jrobinson | "One more volunteer required (14 Aug - 28 Aug) to fill out the schedule for the entire release. Thanks everyone for getting on board." | 21:52 |
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| jrobinson | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team | 21:52 |
| jrobinson | Thanks to Lana for doing a great job this week! | 21:52 |
| jrobinson | Lana's report: | 21:52 |
| jrobinson | "Overall, went well. Zero new bugs on Wednesday (before I went on PTO). I would like to get some eyeballs on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1676875 (re: Block Storage in the Install Guide), I've got a WIP patch here: https://review.openstack.org/452581 Jay Bryant from cinder is taking a look while Sean McGinnis is on holidays." | 21:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1676875 in openstack-manuals "Update install-guide for block-storage" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Lana (loquacity) | 21:53 |
| jrobinson | Next up - Alex will triage bugs from April 10 to April 24 | 21:53 |
| jrobinson | #Open Discussion | 21:53 |
| jrobinson | #Topic Open Discussion | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:53 | |
| jrobinson | There, better. Any topics to discuss openly? | 21:53 |
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| jrobinson | This is the admin guide spec in review: | 21:54 |
| jrobinson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439122 | 21:54 |
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| jrobinson | As noted earlier, it is closer to merging, with a clear plan moving forward. | 21:55 |
| psargent | I am new to the team, please feel free to reach out to me on the list if you have something for newbies to look at | 21:55 |
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| annegentle | psargent how do you know amrith? | 21:55 |
| bsilverman_10 | psargent: Do you have an area you are interested in? | 21:56 |
| jrobinson | I might close the meeting, and we can continue the discussion on OpenStack doc or the ML. | 21:59 |
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| jrobinson | Okay, thanks everyone! | 21:59 |
| jrobinson | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 21:59:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-06-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| skelso | Bye! | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-06-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-06-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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| bmoss | o/ | 22:02 |
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