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trugnv | my BP about detail items for rolling-upgrade as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451865/ -- please review before meeting today. | 01:54 |
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aspiers | sorry I'm late. anyone around for weekly HA meeting? | 09:12 |
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alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 13:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 13:00 |
alexchadin | hi | 13:00 |
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hidekazu | hi | 13:00 |
vincentfrancoise | o/ | 13:00 |
alexchadin | Our agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F12.2F2017 | 13:01 |
vincentfrancoise | will be back in 5mn sorry | 13:01 |
alexchadin | is there someone else? | 13:01 |
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alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 13:02 |
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alexchadin | #info Watcher & Watcher Client & Watcher Dashboard will be released for Pike-1 milestone this Thursday. | 13:02 |
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alexchadin | We have done Gnocchi support, stale/invalid action plan and suspend state for audit | 13:03 |
alexchadin | congratulations to sanfern, licanwei and hidekazu! | 13:04 |
hidekazu | thanks everyone! | 13:04 |
alexchadin | and to everyone who reviewed and helped with these BPs | 13:05 |
licanwei | :) | 13:05 |
alexchadin | #info 3 of 5 P-1 targeted blueprints have been done, the rest will be retargeted to P-2 cycle. | 13:05 |
alexchadin | I had conversation with sballe_ and ostroverkhov | 13:05 |
alexchadin | They have agreed that their BPs should be moved to Pike-2 milestone | 13:06 |
alexchadin | is there any other announcements? | 13:07 |
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alexchadin | well, move on | 13:07 |
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sanfern | hello | 13:07 |
alexchadin | #topic Review Action Items | 13:08 |
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alexchadin | hi sanfern | 13:08 |
alexchadin | Watcher specs | 13:08 |
alexchadin | Audit tag in VM Metadata needs a little fix and final core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 13:08 |
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alexchadin | #action hvprash fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 13:09 |
alexchadin | Add spec for services-versioned-notifications-api bp should be updated in accordance with discussed changes #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 13:09 |
alexchadin | Vladimir is not here so I will give him details later | 13:10 |
alexchadin | #action alexchadin have a discussion with ostroverkhov about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 13:10 |
alexchadin | Spec for noisy-neighbor-dashboard needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 13:10 |
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pksingh | Hello | 13:11 |
alexchadin | hi pksingh | 13:11 |
alexchadin | #action chrisspencer update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 13:12 |
alexchadin | Noisy Neighbor Strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 13:12 |
alexchadin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 13:13 |
alexchadin | well seems hvprash won't be there for now | 13:14 |
alexchadin | who would like to review it? | 13:14 |
licanwei | me:) | 13:15 |
alexchadin | licanwei: thanks :) | 13:15 |
alexchadin | #action licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398162/ | 13:15 |
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alexchadin | Support visualizing workload fingerprints needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/ | 13:15 |
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alexchadin | Add spec for Cinder model integration needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/ | 13:17 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: yes i will do. | 13:17 |
alexchadin | hidekazu: vincentfrancoise left some comments for you | 13:18 |
alexchadin | #action hidekazu update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/ | 13:18 |
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alexchadin | Build baremetal data model in watcher. Yumeng provided new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ | 13:19 |
alexchadin | dtardivel is already reviewing it. Who would like to take it too? | 13:19 |
licanwei | +1 | 13:20 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: i will review. | 13:20 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: because data model, too :) | 13:20 |
alexchadin | #action licanwei hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ | 13:20 |
alexchadin | hidekazu licanwei thanks a lot! | 13:21 |
alexchadin | Audit tag in VM Metadata needs final core review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 13:21 |
alexchadin | oups | 13:21 |
alexchadin | duplication :) | 13:22 |
alexchadin | Define grammar for workload characterization needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 13:22 |
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alexchadin | we need more reviews here | 13:22 |
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alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 13:24 |
alexchadin | Add new actions "power on" and "power off" in Watcher needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ | 13:24 |
alexchadin | hidekazu and licanwei: will you continue review this spec? | 13:25 |
licanwei | +1 | 13:26 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: ok ,i will review | 13:26 |
alexchadin | #action licanwei hidekazu review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ | 13:26 |
alexchadin | Watcher | 13:26 |
alexchadin | Reduced the code complexity needs code reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441873/ | 13:27 |
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alexchadin | Noisy Neighbor Strategy needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454359/ | 13:29 |
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alexchadin | licanwei hidekazu I will add you | 13:30 |
alexchadin | as well as watcher-core group | 13:30 |
licanwei | ok | 13:30 |
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alexchadin | Adding tempest test that executes outlet_temp_control strategy. needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439184/ | 13:31 |
alexchadin | #action chrisspencer update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439184/ | 13:32 |
alexchadin | Added tempest test for workload_stabilization needs final core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/ | 13:32 |
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alexchadin | it would be good if someone would test it on Devstack | 13:33 |
alexchadin | Add action description notification needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/ | 13:36 |
alexchadin | seems there is merge conflict | 13:36 |
alexchadin | licanwei have you got notification? | 13:36 |
licanwei | yes | 13:37 |
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alexchadin | #action licanwei fix merge conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/ | 13:38 |
alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454638/ | 13:38 |
hidekazu | licanwei: this patch is partial implementation? | 13:38 |
alexchadin | Add action description needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/ | 13:38 |
licanwei | no | 13:39 |
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hidekazu | licanwei: ok,thanks. | 13:39 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: go ahead, please. | 13:40 |
alexchadin | Watcher CLI & Dashboard | 13:40 |
alexchadin | Add a button to create audit template in audit creat form needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455699/ | 13:40 |
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alexchadin | There are two fixes from Yumeng | 13:41 |
alexchadin | Who is familiar with Horizon? | 13:41 |
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licanwei | I'll try :) | 13:43 |
alexchadin | #action licanwei review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455699/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455679/ | 13:44 |
alexchadin | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 13:44 |
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alexchadin | exception when running 'watcher actionplan start XXX' #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450555/ | 13:44 |
licanwei | say alexchadin : this commit should be merged ASAP. | 13:45 |
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licanwei | Now the actionplan start cli cmd run exception | 13:45 |
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hidekazu | alexchadin: licanwei: i may hit this bug yesterday. | 13:46 |
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alexchadin | licanwei: why have you add self.action on line 49? | 13:47 |
* vincentfrancoise back... | 13:47 | |
alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: it was long 5 minutes ;) | 13:47 |
vincentfrancoise | yeah, ask dtardivel about it :p | 13:48 |
licanwei | this can triger notification | 13:48 |
licanwei | if actionplan is null ,no notifican emit | 13:48 |
licanwei | notification | 13:49 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: will you review it ASAP? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450555/ | 13:49 |
licanwei | this can hit the bug throug unit test | 13:49 |
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vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: ok | 13:50 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: thanks a lot! | 13:51 |
alexchadin | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450555/ | 13:51 |
alexchadin | #topic Open discussions | 13:51 |
vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: done | 13:51 |
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vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: short fix = quick review ;) | 13:51 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: then I W+1 it | 13:52 |
vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: shouldn't this be another core's job? | 13:52 |
vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: oh sorry misread you | 13:53 |
vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: yeah please W+1 it ;) | 13:53 |
alexchadin | There is few people today | 13:53 |
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alexchadin | sballe_ said that she will have some things to do | 13:53 |
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alexchadin | BTW, I'm happy that we have achieved P-1 milestone with 3 of 5 BPs | 13:54 |
alexchadin | 2 of them should be merged soon, I hope next week | 13:55 |
vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: good :) | 13:55 |
alexchadin | I mean, the rest ones | 13:56 |
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vincentfrancoise | alexchadin: I missed the review parts but if there's some critical specs to review, add them as actions to me so I can see them in the logs | 13:56 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancoise: no worries, I will add some of mentioned specs to you a little bit later | 13:57 |
alexchadin | so, if nobody have questions, I would suggest to end this meeting | 13:58 |
alexchadin | thank you for coming, bye | 13:58 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: thanks | 13:58 |
hidekazu | good night ;) | 13:59 |
vincentfrancoise | bye :) | 13:59 |
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alexchadin | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 13:59:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-04-12-13.00.html | 13:59 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-04-12-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-04-12-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
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devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 14:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:01 |
devkulkarni | #topic Roll call | 14:01 |
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zhurong_ | 0/ | 14:01 |
zhurong_ | Hi devkulkarni | 14:01 |
devkulkarni | hi zhurong_ | 14:02 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_: lets wait for a minute or two to see if others join | 14:02 |
zhurong_ | sure | 14:02 |
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devkulkarni | hi guoguo | 14:05 |
guoguo | hi | 14:05 |
devkulkarni | nice to see you here. welcome to solum :) | 14:05 |
devkulkarni | we have zhurong_ with us as well today | 14:05 |
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devkulkarni | lets begin the meeting | 14:06 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: first off all let me extend a very warm welcome to you in our team. | 14:06 |
devkulkarni | if you can provide brief introduction about yourself and your interest in solum that would be great | 14:07 |
zhurong_ | guoguo welcome | 14:07 |
guoguo | I study Openstack over 1 year. | 14:09 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: I see, cool | 14:09 |
guoguo | Over 15 years software. | 14:09 |
devkulkarni | nice! | 14:10 |
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devkulkarni | in what context are you using OpenStack and Solum? | 14:10 |
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devkulkarni | guoguo: btw, I saw your messages about errors that you were running into | 14:12 |
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devkulkarni | what was the issue? were you and zhurong_ able to figure out the issue? | 14:13 |
zhurong_ | devkulkarni maybe he doesn't familiar with IRC | 14:13 |
guoguo | develop native apps. | 14:13 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: ah I see | 14:13 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: cool | 14:13 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: you will get used to irc slowly | 14:14 |
zhurong_ | guoguo using kolla deploy solum, I let caowei contact him | 14:14 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: +1 | 14:14 |
devkulkarni | I was about to suggest that | 14:14 |
devkulkarni | I was hoping caowei was here today | 14:14 |
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zhurong_ | seems caowei is leaving status | 14:15 |
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devkulkarni | guoguo: most of the work in OpenStack happens over IRC.. it will get easier as you keep on participating | 14:15 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: ah I see | 14:15 |
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devkulkarni | guoguo: please continue to join solum irc channel | 14:16 |
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devkulkarni | guoguo: hopefully we will be able to resolve your issue soon | 14:16 |
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guoguo | I already like to use IRC. | 14:16 |
guoguo | thanks. | 14:17 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: oh cool.. then it will be easy to participate :) | 14:17 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_, guoguo: btw, I was wondering whether the current meeting time is convenient for you? | 14:18 |
devkulkarni | if it is too late at night for you folks, we can change the meeting time that is more convenient to you | 14:18 |
devkulkarni | I think caowei is also in similar time zone as yours | 14:19 |
devkulkarni | thoughts/comments? | 14:19 |
zhurong_ | yep, caowei is my former colleagues | 14:19 |
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zhurong_ | we can make it one hour ahead | 14:20 |
devkulkarni | okay..so still keep at your wednesday night, but move it one hour earlier? | 14:20 |
zhurong_ | I agree with it | 14:21 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: would that time slot work for you? | 14:21 |
guoguo | no problem | 14:21 |
devkulkarni | okay.. let me also get feedback from caowei, vijendar and others to see if that time slot will work for them or not.. if it works for majority then we can make the change | 14:23 |
devkulkarni | cool. lets move on to other topics | 14:23 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: any updates from your side about Boston summit? | 14:24 |
zhurong_ | np, still AP status | 14:24 |
devkulkarni | I see. well, we will keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best | 14:25 |
devkulkarni | once you know, we can start planning/preparing for next steps | 14:25 |
devkulkarni | the next topic is patches for review | 14:26 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: I will take a look at the patches that you have submitted today | 14:26 |
zhurong_ | thx devkulkarni | 14:26 |
devkulkarni | what about release patches? have we received +1 from release team on them? | 14:27 |
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devkulkarni | (I am still catching up on my emails) | 14:27 |
zhurong_ | np, I just abandon all the other patches except the clinet's | 14:27 |
zhurong_ | Seems pip repo have some problem, just now release team stop merge the patches | 14:28 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: yeah, I saw that. did you check with thierry that not cutting a release for solum and solum-dashboard will be okay? | 14:29 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_: oh okay. did not know that | 14:29 |
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zhurong_ | I check other project, there no release patch for pike-1 | 14:29 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: I see. then we should be fine not releasing | 14:30 |
devkulkarni | so probably we got included in that list in thierry's email because we had not cut python-solumclient release | 14:30 |
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zhurong_ | maybe he notice all the projects | 14:31 |
devkulkarni | yeah, may be that was the case | 14:31 |
devkulkarni | so looks like we are set on this front then | 14:32 |
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devkulkarni | any other thoughts/comments on the topic of patches? | 14:32 |
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zhurong_ | np, the glance version patch should be merge quickly | 14:33 |
devkulkarni | which one is that? do you have the patch link handy? | 14:33 |
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zhurong_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456087/ | 14:33 |
zhurong_ | Now glance v1 api had been depracated | 14:33 |
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devkulkarni | loooking | 14:34 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_: actually, there are few other places we need to fix this | 14:34 |
devkulkarni | in unittest-app and build-app scripts | 14:35 |
zhurong_ | let me check | 14:35 |
devkulkarni | https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/contrib/lp-cedarish/docker/build-app#L54 | 14:35 |
zhurong_ | yep, I see | 14:36 |
zhurong_ | I will resubmit a new one | 14:36 |
devkulkarni | https://github.com/openstack/solum/blob/master/contrib/common/utils#L192 | 14:36 |
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devkulkarni | looks like unittest-app does not have direct reference to glance commands, but it includes the utils file | 14:37 |
devkulkarni | yeah, please submit follow up patch | 14:37 |
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devkulkarni | cool | 14:37 |
devkulkarni | any other thoughts/comments about patches? | 14:38 |
zhurong_ | np | 14:39 |
devkulkarni | alright | 14:39 |
devkulkarni | the last topic that I had in mind is about upcoming TC elections | 14:39 |
devkulkarni | I hope you are following the TC elections. If not, please go to the openstack-dev mailing list archives to read position statements from various candidates | 14:40 |
zhurong_ | yep, I will do this | 14:41 |
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devkulkarni | cool. | 14:42 |
devkulkarni | also, you might have received email about naming of OpenStack R release | 14:42 |
zhurong_ | yep | 14:42 |
devkulkarni | cool | 14:42 |
zhurong_ | which one you will choice? | 14:42 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: I don't know yet.. I am reading through the position statements of all the candidates (along with the question and answers that are being asked of them) | 14:43 |
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zhurong_ | cool | 14:44 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_: you also make sure to read through the statements and pick the candidates that resonate with you the most | 14:45 |
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zhurong_ | yep, I think so | 14:45 |
devkulkarni | cool | 14:46 |
devkulkarni | anything else we should discuss today? | 14:46 |
zhurong_ | seems we can end earlier | 14:46 |
devkulkarni | yeah.. | 14:46 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: any thoughts/comments from your side? | 14:46 |
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guoguo | I want join solum mail list. | 14:48 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: there is no separate mailing list for solum. we use the openstack-dev mailing list | 14:49 |
devkulkarni | are you subscribed to that? | 14:49 |
guoguo | ok | 14:49 |
zhurong_ | add the [solum] tag | 14:49 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev | 14:49 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: +1 to what zhurong_ mentioned | 14:49 |
guoguo | I want to try solum in production.but no guide. | 14:49 |
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devkulkarni | guoguo: cool.. actually there is a guide which is sort of complete | 14:50 |
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devkulkarni | there should be a link to it in solum documentation.. I will share it with you on IRC later today/tomorrow | 14:51 |
guoguo | ths. | 14:51 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: its great to hear about your interest to run solum in prod | 14:52 |
devkulkarni | guoguo: any other thoughts, comments, questions? | 14:53 |
guoguo | no | 14:54 |
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devkulkarni | alright then | 14:54 |
devkulkarni | thanks guoguo zhurong_ for joining the meeting today | 14:54 |
devkulkarni | see you next week again. and in the mean time, see you in solum irc channel | 14:55 |
devkulkarni | good night | 14:55 |
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zhurong_ | bye devkulkarni | 14:55 |
devkulkarni | bye zhurong_ | 14:55 |
devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 14:55:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-04-12-14.01.html | 14:55 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-04-12-14.01.txt | 14:55 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-04-12-14.01.log.html | 14:55 |
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guoguo | good night | 14:58 |
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haleyb | hi, is anyone else around for the dvr meeting? if not you'll get 59 minutes back for other things | 15:01 |
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haleyb | alright, have my answer :) | 15:04 |
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rkukura | hello ML2’ers! | 16:02 |
Sukhdev_ | Hello | 16:02 |
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rkukura | anyone else here for the ML2 meeting today? | 16:03 |
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rkukura | dasanind? | 16:04 |
rkukura | don’t see trevormc | 16:04 |
Sukhdev_ | trevor seems to be missing as well | 16:04 |
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rkukura | If its only me and Sukhdev, I think we’ll skip this week’s ML2 meeting, and hope for better turnout next week | 16:07 |
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Sukhdev_ | rkukura : +1 | 16:07 |
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rkukura | ok, lets try next week | 16:08 |
rkukura | thanks Sukhdev_! | 16:08 |
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timsim | #startmeeting designate | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 17:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timsim. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
timsim | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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trungnv | o/ | 17:00 |
timsim | ping mugsie kiall_ sonuk | 17:00 |
timsim | I'll give folks a minute | 17:01 |
mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
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timsim | #topic Bug Triage | 17:02 |
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timsim | I don't see any new ones, am I wrong? | 17:02 |
mugsie | nope | 17:02 |
sonuk_ | \o | 17:02 |
timsim | There's a couple that need a bit of looking into | 17:03 |
mugsie | yeah | 17:03 |
timsim | But ya know. action | 17:03 |
mugsie | I wont have time until monday :/ | 17:03 |
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timsim | Don't know if I'll ever have time :x | 17:03 |
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timsim | #topic Stable Backport Triage | 17:03 |
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timsim | nope | 17:03 |
timsim | #topic Open Discussion | 17:04 |
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trungnv | Please review my detail specs before. this is my BP which attached my detail specs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/designate-rolling-upgrade | 17:04 |
timsim | I took a look at that trungnv | 17:04 |
trungnv | I had also Added assert "assert:supports-accessible-upgrade" tag for Designate before "assert:supports-rolling-upgrade" tag. | 17:04 |
timsim | There is a _lot_ of work in there. | 17:04 |
trungnv | yes. I know | 17:04 |
timsim | Like a full cycle for one of the designate cores. | 17:04 |
mugsie | the problem with accessible upgrade is there is no way to test it currently | 17:05 |
trungnv | we have 4 persons to work at the moment | 17:05 |
timsim | On Designate alone? | 17:05 |
mugsie | and - microversions are not needed for rolling upgrade | 17:05 |
mugsie | and, OVO - there is no way to use them in designate | 17:05 |
mugsie | we have so much custom logic, and systems build around them that we would need a brand new API | 17:06 |
trungnv | we will change object into O.VO format then using it. | 17:06 |
mugsie | you cant | 17:06 |
mugsie | OVO do things completely differently | 17:06 |
mugsie | we rely on the way we do validations for the API errors | 17:07 |
mugsie | OVO does validation completely differently (and worse) | 17:07 |
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timsim | So the API contract will be broken, which is a non-starter. | 17:07 |
timsim | trungnv: I want to ask again, because it's important. Why, of all of the possiblities, do you want to work on "rolling upgrade"? | 17:08 |
timsim | The upgrade story for Designate is not that complicated. It's not like nova | 17:08 |
timsim | If you have four people to do work, there are other things that would be much more valuable. | 17:08 |
trungnv | yes. we want. | 17:08 |
trungnv | because: My actual reason to implement rolling-upgrade that is Fujitsu had used Designate in Cloud K5 system and we are concerning upgrade for Designate in our system. this is 1 requirement very importance for us. thus we really need to rolling-upgrade for our system. | 17:08 |
mugsie | you cannot have any API down time? | 17:09 |
trungnv | my company is Fujitsu then we need rolling upgrade for Designate | 17:09 |
trungnv | yes. | 17:09 |
timsim | Why? | 17:09 |
trungnv | mugsie: Yes | 17:09 |
mugsie | why can you not have downtime? | 17:10 |
trungnv | We need any requests to queried and or created without downtime. | 17:11 |
mugsie | well, queried, the DNS servers are separate | 17:11 |
timsim | Yes, the DNS servers have 0 down time | 17:11 |
mugsie | but why can you not have creation downtime? | 17:11 |
trungnv | Cloud K5 of us really need to process any request without downtime and or get minimal downtime. | 17:12 |
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mugsie | we can do minimal down time | 17:12 |
mugsie | already | 17:13 |
mugsie | shutdown services, migrate DB, start new code base | 17:13 |
trungnv | last time I know that Designate got 80% | 17:13 |
mugsie | this should only take a few mins | 17:13 |
trungnv | But we need get about 100%. | 17:13 |
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trungnv | we have 4 persons to complete this feature. | 17:14 |
trungnv | we hope this feature will complete in next cycle. | 17:14 |
mugsie | OK. you need to do more research - you need to find a way to do object versioning with out oslo vertsioned objects | 17:15 |
mugsie | and there is no chance that this will be completeed in a cycle | 17:15 |
timsim | Agreed. | 17:15 |
mugsie | there is far too much work, and it has the potentinial to break the entire system | 17:15 |
mugsie | this needs to be a slow, incremental improvement | 17:15 |
trungnv | I know. But our system really need this feature thereforce we will working hard to complete this. | 17:16 |
mugsie | OK. | 17:16 |
mugsie | there is a big problem for this | 17:17 |
trungnv | please believe us | 17:17 |
mugsie | we have 0 cores | 17:17 |
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mugsie | and for this work you will need *very* exipirenced cores | 17:17 |
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mugsie | this is a very big feature, and the code will need *very* careful review | 17:18 |
trungnv | we will always discuss our solution on IRC to cores get more information then | 17:18 |
trungnv | yes. we will | 17:18 |
trungnv | we will review be carefull before pushing | 17:19 |
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mugsie | we do not have enough cores to review the code is the problem | 17:19 |
mugsie | you cannot push any code, it has to be reviewed | 17:19 |
trungnv | I understand. | 17:20 |
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mugsie | I would suggest you spend more time working on the project before taking such a big feature | 17:20 |
trungnv | yes. I will working on both. | 17:21 |
timsim | trungnv: mugsie and I do not think what you are proposing is possible. If you would like to try, we can't stop you. But be aware of what will happen: | 17:21 |
timsim | 1. It is going to take us a very long time (months) to review the code that you propose. | 17:22 |
timsim | 2. We are going to be very harsh in that review process, it will be very very difficult for you to get this code merged. | 17:22 |
timsim | 3. It is going to take longer than one cycle. | 17:22 |
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trungnv | 1. I understand. Please approve with low priority. | 17:23 |
timsim | 4. We will not be available to help you at all hours of the day on IRC. Most days, we will not answer at all. | 17:23 |
trungnv | 2. I understand your situation. | 17:23 |
mugsie | I will add some comments to the spec | 17:23 |
trungnv | 3. I hope my codes will complete in next cycle and merged in the next couple cycles. | 17:24 |
trungnv | 4. I know. | 17:24 |
trungnv | mugsie: thanks | 17:25 |
timsim | Alright, let's circle back on this again next week and see how it's going. | 17:27 |
mugsie | ++ | 17:27 |
timsim | Answering mugsie 's comments well will take a lot of research. | 17:27 |
timsim | Prototyping, etc. | 17:27 |
trungnv | yes | 17:27 |
timsim | Does anyone else have anything they'd like to discuss? | 17:27 |
mugsie | I will say the designate object adaptor code is ... hard | 17:28 |
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mugsie | I wrote it, and it still hurts my brain | 17:28 |
timsim | mugsie and I still need to work on fixing the gates. | 17:28 |
mugsie | and it is unfortunatly the key to keeping the API right | 17:28 |
mugsie | yeah | 17:28 |
timsim | Seems like step one is fixing/deleting those nsd tests that randomly fail now | 17:29 |
timsim | Then merging that sqla patch | 17:29 |
trungnv | yeah. my specs bug still -1 with gate issue. | 17:29 |
mugsie | I will not have time till monday - I fly out early on Friday, and get back Sund | 17:29 |
mugsie | ay* | 17:29 |
timsim | I might have time some evening this week to poke at it. I'll try, no promises. | 17:29 |
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timsim | Alright, anything else? | 17:30 |
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trungnv | No. I am looking your comments in my specs to get approval for my BP. | 17:31 |
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sonuk_ | timsim : can we set acl over tenant network to secure network traffic | 17:31 |
timsim | uhhhh | 17:32 |
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timsim | mugsie: ^ | 17:33 |
* timsim doesn't really know what that means | 17:33 | |
mugsie | sonuk_: we do not do anything with that | 17:33 |
mugsie | thats your network team's job | 17:33 |
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sonuk_ | I think I will have to check some options in neutron | 17:34 |
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mugsie | yeah - we do not have any interactions with tenant networks | 17:35 |
timsim | Alright, anything else? | 17:35 |
mugsie | I got to drop, I am late for dinner :) | 17:35 |
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timsim | Alright, I think we're done. See you all next week | 17:36 |
timsim | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 17:36:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-04-12-17.00.html | 17:36 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-04-12-17.00.txt | 17:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2017/designate.2017-04-12-17.00.log.html | 17:36 |
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johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 20:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
johnsom | Hi folks | 20:00 |
nmagnezi | o/ | 20:00 |
JudeC | Hello | 20:00 |
xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
johnsom | Welcome JudeC | 20:00 |
jniesz | hello | 20:01 |
johnsom | Hi jniesz | 20:01 |
johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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xgerman | PTL elections coming up | 20:01 |
johnsom | It is Pike milestone 1 week. I plan to cut our milestone releases for both neutron-lbaas and octavia today. Dashboard has already gone out. | 20:02 |
xgerman | nice! | 20:02 |
johnsom | I have also submitted the Pike goals patches. | 20:02 |
johnsom | So I think we are in good shape for Pike-1 | 20:02 |
johnsom | TC elections are coming up first (Soonish), so keep an eye out for that voting e-mail. | 20:03 |
xgerman | and there are Q&A with the candidates on the mailing list | 20:03 |
johnsom | As german said, PTL elections are coming as well. Not sure when that is starting actually. | 20:04 |
xgerman | TC | 20:04 |
xgerman | oh, my mistype was right | 20:04 |
johnsom | Ah, ok. | 20:04 |
johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:04 |
johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:05 |
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johnsom | Aside for the PTL-ish stuff listed above I have been working on the API reference. I posted the listener section for review and hope to start pools today. | 20:06 |
johnsom | We had a couple of specs merge for QoS and alternate IP/ports for health monitors. hopefully we will see patches soon. | 20:07 |
johnsom | The L3 Act/Act spec is also up for review, so please take a look and comment. | 20:07 |
johnsom | Any other updates or bugs of note? | 20:07 |
nmagnezi | xgerman, this ^ was officially adopyted by you, right? :) | 20:08 |
jniesz | johnsom, I saw the notes regarding the FIP | 20:08 |
nmagnezi | adopted* | 20:08 |
nmagnezi | act/act | 20:08 |
xgerman | no, this is a new spec | 20:08 |
xgerman | I am trying to salvage IBM’s work | 20:08 |
johnsom | jniesz Yeah, I posted some comments/questions on the spec | 20:08 |
jniesz | for the FIP part to work FIP api would need to support exception rule to not perform SNAT on anycast IP | 20:09 |
johnsom | We can talk about those in open discussion if you would like | 20:09 |
jniesz | sure, I did comment on your feedback | 20:10 |
johnsom | Ok cool, I will take a look | 20:10 |
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johnsom | #topic Boston Summit planning | 20:11 |
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johnsom | The summit is next month. Who all is attending? | 20:12 |
xgerman | me | 20:12 |
xgerman | and rm_work | 20:12 |
johnsom | Unfortunately my travel funding got pulled at the last minute here, so I will not be attending. | 20:12 |
m-greene_ | I’ll be there, spending 30% of my time on booth duty :) | 20:12 |
johnsom | Having four events (summits and PTGs) a year is making the bean counters unhappy.... | 20:13 |
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johnsom | Ok, cool so three folks. | 20:13 |
johnsom | I had planned to discuss the four presentations we have, but I don't see rm_work here | 20:14 |
johnsom | xgerman Is there anything you wanted to discuss about those or do we have a plan? | 20:14 |
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xgerman | well, I don’t have a plan but will focus on the presentations/lab after my time off | 20:15 |
xgerman | for lab I will see if I can recycle what we did in Austin | 20:15 |
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johnsom | Ok. Maybe you can convince m-greene_ to help out... grin | 20:16 |
johnsom | #topic PTG for Queens in September - Are you planning to attend? | 20:16 |
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johnsom | After the summit the PTG will be in September in Denver. | 20:17 |
xgerman | depending on the funding situation | 20:17 |
m-greene_ | does xgerman have my email? I’m not good about trolling IRC frequently | 20:17 |
johnsom | I am planning to attend. | 20:17 |
xgerman | m-greene_ likely not | 20:17 |
jniesz | I will try to get funding for that, so hopefully we can attend | 20:17 |
johnsom | The foundation has asked the PTLs to give an estimate of how many folks are going to attend from our projects. Do you all have an estimate? | 20:18 |
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johnsom | I will ask for a dedicated room at this PTG. | 20:18 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, I cannot estimate at the moment | 20:18 |
m-greene_ | me +1 (at least)… Denver is home for my team | 20:18 |
xgerman | I think there re people (me included) who would like the PTG be pased out and replaced with a design summot at the main summit | 20:18 |
jniesz | I would estimate 2-3 from my side | 20:19 |
johnsom | Ok, thanks. I will give my estimate. I guess its for the number of tickets and room sizes. Atlanta was limited to 500. | 20:19 |
johnsom | Thank you for the estimates. | 20:20 |
johnsom | #topic Discuss asynchronous API and response handling | 20:20 |
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johnsom | So this agenda item has been an issue for a while. I want to get some feedback from the team so we can clean this up in the octavia v2 API. | 20:21 |
johnsom | Our API is asynchronous which means we continue to finish the request after we have returned a response to the user. | 20:22 |
nmagnezi | ack | 20:23 |
johnsom | That means that we may not have determined if the request was fulfilled completely at response time. | 20:23 |
johnsom | The question on the table is: | 20:23 |
johnsom | Should we return to the user a view that represents the future state (fields updated, etc.) that is "fake" and subsequent GET calls may reflect the "old" settings with a status of PENDING_UPDATE. | 20:24 |
johnsom | Or | 20:24 |
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johnsom | Should we return a "current state" view, with old values and "PENDING_UPDATE" with the new values reflected once the operation fully completes and we return the status to "ACTIVE" | 20:25 |
johnsom | Thoughts or comments? | 20:25 |
johnsom | It's a bit of an odd situation. | 20:25 |
xgerman | I like the later since this lines up with our behavior with POST | 20:26 |
johnsom | Yes, the POST would behave like the first option | 20:26 |
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nmagnezi | I tend to agree with xgerman, but I feel like I'm not fully knowledgeable of the situation here. are there any related bugs patches to read? | 20:27 |
johnsom | I guess there is a third option, which would be GET calls get the new values, but on failure they may revert | 20:27 |
nmagnezi | overall, aren't we currently do the latter anyways? (for example in loadbalancer create) | 20:27 |
johnsom | There aren't any bugs for this (yet). It came up during the new API work. The octavia v2 API behaves like the second option right now (for updates/deletes) | 20:28 |
xgerman | yeah, it was confusing me | 20:29 |
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johnsom | POST doesn't have "old" values, so it will always show the "new" values. | 20:29 |
jniesz | hmm, if the call eventually fails, does that mean the old data is gone or reverted back? | 20:30 |
xgerman | the new data is never saved in the DB — so the old data will always be back | 20:30 |
johnsom | Currently if the operation fails the user will see the old values | 20:30 |
xgerman | which makes subsequent gets confusing | 20:30 |
xgerman | (while the operation runs) | 20:31 |
m-greene_ | the DB not updating immediately might cause problems. | 20:31 |
johnsom | Right, we defer the database update until the last step in the flow. This preserves the view of what is "currently" running in the load balancers | 20:31 |
m-greene_ | for our driver, there are some ops that take some time (like getting another neutron port) so our code has a periodic task and we expect to use the DB as the current source of truth | 20:32 |
m-greene_ | we don’t cache the “new” update service definition until it’s deployed, then push new data back up into the DB | 20:32 |
m-greene_ | so I’d expect the octavia DB to update immediately, hand off to the vendor driver, and we only update status from PENDING to ACTIVE | 20:33 |
johnsom | Ok, I was wondering about that. As it is coded now, we would hand you the new data in the handler message but not update the database | 20:34 |
m-greene_ | what if the vendor driver dies in the middle, we’ve lost the request entirely and cannot recover and hand back in to a replacement driver (HA) | 20:34 |
johnsom | Two things. 1. the view the user gets reflects the fact that operation was lost as the old config is still registered. 2. I would hop that is queued / persisted in some way. | 20:35 |
m-greene_ | our design “goal” (not 100% true) is to be completely stateless and rely on the (currently neutron) DB | 20:36 |
johnsom | Ok | 20:36 |
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xgerman | mmh, since we hand it to our taskflow system which could be backed by a DB for HA we don’t worry about resending | 20:37 |
johnsom | So from your perspective, in a failure situation, it is ok for the database to reflect a configuration back to the user that does not represent what is actually configured on the appliance? | 20:37 |
johnsom | xgerman right | 20:37 |
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xgerman | yeah, so for it to be stateless we would need to have a handshake on the queue | 20:38 |
xgerman | that they resend if the consumer dies | 20:38 |
johnsom | Right, don't confirm the pull from the queue until it completes | 20:38 |
johnsom | Assuming there is a queue, which isn't a given | 20:38 |
xgerman | I think that wold solve m-greene_ ’s issue | 20:39 |
xgerman | well, we could require it if you run a stateless driver - just saying | 20:39 |
johnsom | I think we need to think about the database access too as that is something I would like to discourage without an abstraction layer. I don't like DB changes potentially breaking drivers. | 20:40 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:41 |
m-greene_ | agreed- we need to fetch service definition, update status, etc. | 20:41 |
johnsom | Yep | 20:41 |
johnsom | Hmm, ok. More to think about. | 20:41 |
johnsom | I know that I need to write up a driver spec here soon-ish where we can hammer out the details. | 20:42 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:42 |
johnsom | Alright should we move on to open discussion and revisit next week? | 20:43 |
johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:43 |
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johnsom | Other topics for today? L3 Act/Act? | 20:44 |
nmagnezi | I have a question but i think jniesz had something to discuss | 20:44 |
jniesz | main question I had was around next steps for FIP | 20:45 |
johnsom | Ok. Is FIP a use case in your environment or do you expect the VIP to simply be on tenant networks? | 20:46 |
jniesz | right now I don't think this will work because FIP is 1:1 NAT between private / public IP | 20:46 |
jniesz | in our environment the IPs will be directly routeable from network | 20:46 |
jniesz | so we won't use FIPs | 20:46 |
johnsom | Right. I kind of expect that will be a common case to not use FIPs. | 20:47 |
jniesz | also neutron plugins that are evpn bgp based won't use FIP | 20:47 |
jniesz | FIP really is for overlay tenant networks | 20:47 |
johnsom | So, maybe that is just something this approach does not address. If someone needs it, it can be handled a different way in the future. | 20:47 |
xgerman | I don’t think we make yu sue FIPs | 20:47 |
xgerman | can’t you just give as the VIP network your public net? | 20:48 |
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jniesz | yes, I figured other active/active driver could handle other cases | 20:48 |
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xgerman | Pretty sure FIP was optional | 20:48 |
jniesz | ok, I will remove it from spec | 20:48 |
johnsom | I am good with that. So we can just remove it from the diagram and maybe make a comment about it being out of scope for the spec. | 20:48 |
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johnsom | nmagnezi What is your question? | 20:49 |
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nmagnezi | re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454172/ | 20:49 |
nmagnezi | why do we use auth_strategy = noauth as default, and not keystone? | 20:50 |
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xgerman | in several deployments the internal endpoint is used which is only accessible by whitelisted IPs | 20:51 |
xgerman | so no need to authenticate for some | 20:51 |
johnsom | Until now we didn't have keystone integration to authenticate tokens. It just hadn't been developed yet. It wasn't critical as we were behind neutron-lbaas which we trusted. | 20:51 |
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johnsom | This was fixed with the new API work | 20:51 |
xgerman | yeah, now if security requires you can add keystone authntication | 20:51 |
johnsom | So, now-ish we should be able to change the default to keystone | 20:52 |
johnsom | at least in our gates. | 20:52 |
xgerman | mmh, not sure… | 20:52 |
johnsom | That would be a breaking change if we did it blanket | 20:52 |
xgerman | yes, and might lead to more problems we get asked about | 20:52 |
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johnsom | Right | 20:53 |
xgerman | nmagnezi is there a particular reason we should default it? | 20:53 |
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nmagnezi | xgerman, i don't have a strong opinion here, just wondered why it is set the way it is | 20:53 |
xgerman | ok, for production you might want to make sure to enable it ;-) | 20:54 |
johnsom | Yeah, mostly just an incremental development thing. | 20:54 |
xgerman | +q | 20:54 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:54 |
nmagnezi | xgerman, hah... what would we need to do to make it default on our gates? I think testing as close as possible to production setting has value | 20:54 |
xgerman | touche | 20:55 |
nmagnezi | :D | 20:55 |
johnsom | That is pretty easy actually. We can just update our devstack plugin or gate hook to set it to keystone. I think there was a proposed patch for that at one point. | 20:55 |
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johnsom | Oh, I should also mention, I will be cutting stable branch releases as well to pick up the fixes for devstack and diskimage-builder breakage and some backported fixes. Look for those this week as well. | 20:56 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, i can submit a new patch | 20:56 |
johnsom | Also of note, mitaka is officially EOL now. | 20:56 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:56 |
johnsom | The stable branch will be removed soon. | 20:57 |
xgerman | I will be on vacation until Wednesday so skip the enxt meeting | 20:57 |
johnsom | The party for that is it was the last branch with lbaas v1 API in it.... | 20:57 |
xgerman | Hooray!! | 20:57 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, I think I have some backports up for review. generally we should make sure we look at all proposed backports before you make the cut :) | 20:57 |
johnsom | Yeah, that is nice | 20:58 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, neat! (v1..) | 20:58 |
xgerman | yeah, we can review the backports | 20:58 |
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johnsom | nmagnezi I thought I had looked at most, but if you have a list you want me to watch for, please send it | 20:58 |
xgerman | 1 | 20:58 |
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nmagnezi | johnsom, sure will | 20:59 |
johnsom | helper function, I see that one | 20:59 |
johnsom | Ok, we are out of time. Thanks for joining! see you in the lbaas channel | 21:00 |
johnsom | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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