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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 14:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here today? | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | Looks like there is room enough for everyone to stretch their legs! | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | indeed | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | ** Claims in the Scheduler/Conductor | 14:02 |
| edleafe | *** #link Claims in the Scheduler/Conductor series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465171/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | crap | 14:02 |
| edleafe | copy paste fail! | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Claims in the Scheduler/Conductor | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Claims in the Scheduler/Conductor series: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465171/ | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | This seems to be moving forward | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Are there any overriding concerns about the direction? | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | not from me | 14:04 |
| cdent | nor me | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Jay has a +2 on the first in that series, so if we can get another core to agree.. | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: you in today? | 14:05 |
| edleafe | IAC, please review the next few in that series. I have cycles to update as needed | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Nested Resource Providers | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link Nested RPs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920 | 14:05 |
| dansmith | edleafe: uber holiday today in .ey | 14:05 |
| dansmith | *eu | 14:05 |
| diga | o/ | 14:06 |
| edleafe | dansmith: no ride sharing? | 14:06 |
| dansmith | uuuuuuber holiday | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: been getting some good reviews from efried on that series. | 14:06 |
| dansmith | big holiday | 14:06 |
| * cdent is no longer in the eu :( | 14:06 | |
| jaypipes | edleafe: plan to comment on the patches please. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: sure thing - have them open in tabs with the latest updates | 14:07 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I also have a question on scheduler claims and shared resource providers to discuss if we time today | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I'm free after this meeting | 14:08 |
| edleafe | We can either do it during Opens, or anytime after | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | kk | 14:08 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: a question, will change the API 'GET /resource_providers?resources=...' in the future for nested resource providers? | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: great question, and the answer is related to what I want to discuss about shared resource providers :) | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: so let's discuss that together | 14:09 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: ok | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Let's do it in Opens then. I don't want to keep alex_xu up too late :) | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | there's another patch series: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/placement-api-ref+status:open | 14:09 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks :) | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | for avolkov's api-refs | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: stop stealing my thunder! | 14:10 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | sorry! | 14:10 |
| edleafe | that's later in the list | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | k | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Well, since you brought it up... | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Placement API ref docs | 14:11 |
| edleafe | #link Placement API ref docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/placement-api-ref+status:open | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 14:11 |
| * edleafe tries to run a tight meeting | 14:11 | |
| edleafe | Anything to add about that series? | 14:11 |
| cdent | only that we'll need to start thinking about the publishing job | 14:12 |
| cdent | right now the job makes drafts | 14:12 |
| cdent | but last I talked to andrey it wasn't ready to publish | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | that's always the fun part, no? | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | cdent: ++ | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | Moving on | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Add project_id and user_id to placement DB | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link project_id and user_id to placement DB: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470645/ | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | hold up on that one. | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | :) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Still kind of WIPpy | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | I'm just fixing locally a postgreSQL oddity. | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | finishing running tests now and should be pushed shortly. | 14:15 |
| edleafe | cool | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | spent most of the weekend working on that | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | I wanted to normalize the consumers table properly. | 14:15 |
| edleafe | I spent most of my weekend not working :) | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | instead of endlessly repeating VARCHAR(255) columns everywhere | 14:16 |
| * edleafe finds it funny to see jaypipes and "normal" in the same sentence | 14:16 | |
| jaypipes | edleafe: normalized != normal :) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | heh | 14:17 |
| edleafe | Next up is: Delete all inventory | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #link Delete all inventory: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460147/ | 14:17 |
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| cdent | did we know that mr date has the same initials as me? I'm sure that means something.. | 14:17 |
| edleafe | That's getting pretty close. We should be able to push that through this week | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | I did indeed know that. | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | I remember speaking to him around 2006 or so. | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | he wanted $9000 to come do a keynote for the MySQL conference. I politely declined. | 14:18 |
| cdent | hawt | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | now... if his name was CJ Timestamp, I might have considered. | 14:19 |
| edleafe | <groan> | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | yes, I have turned into my father. | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | ok, meeting guru, what's up next? | 14:19 |
| edleafe | So we have a leaf, a dent, and some pipes making fun of a date | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | indeed. | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | Indy, bad dates. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Sync os-traits to DB | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #link Sync os-traits: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469578/ | 14:20 |
| edleafe | This is cdent's patch | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: can you fix up that thing edleafe pointed to on ^^ | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | cdent: help a brother out? :) | 14:21 |
| cdent | i thought that was already done, and now it was a thing that alex pointed out? | 14:21 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: you mean the thing that alex_xu pointed to? | 14:21 |
| edleafe | jinx | 14:21 |
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| jaypipes | doh, yeah, sorry, was alex_xu :) | 14:22 |
| cdent | if he's correct, then sure, I can get that after this meeting | 14:22 |
| cdent | I was waiting for confirmation from folk | 14:22 |
| edleafe | cdent: ok, I can take a look too | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Let | 14:23 |
| alex_xu | cdent: I did a test in local :) | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:23 |
| cdent | letrec | 14:23 |
| * edleafe can't type an apostrophe | 14:23 | |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:24 |
| cdent | I made a few last week and then fixed most of them | 14:24 |
| edleafe | A few new ones | 14:24 |
| edleafe | ah, good | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Then we're up to: | 14:25 |
| cdent | was gonna do this one asap: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1695356 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1695356 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement allocations handler module does not use util.extract_json" [Low,Triaged] | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:25 |
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| * cdent sits comfortable | 14:25 | |
| jaypipes | cdent: yes, alex_xu is correct. I'd forgotten oslo.db wraps that exception. | 14:26 |
| edleafe | sorry to step on your bug, cdent | 14:26 |
| * edleafe picture bug guts on my show | 14:26 | |
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| edleafe | shoe, even | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | OK, so we ready to discuss shared and nested providers in the claims? | 14:26 |
| cdent | yes | 14:26 |
| edleafe | go for it! | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | awesome. | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | alright, so here is the way I've been thinking about it. | 14:26 |
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| jaypipes | please come along this journey with me and tell me if I'm smoking some crazypants. | 14:27 |
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| jaypipes | alright, so the scheduler, after edleafe's placement claims series is merged, will be doing the POST /allocations, passing in a consumer ID (the instance UUID) and the resource provider UUID it selected from the list of providers returned from placement. | 14:28 |
| edleafe | so far so good... | 14:28 |
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| jaypipes | Now, if the resource provider selected by the scheduler uses a shared provider for one of the requested resources (say, DISK_GB), then we need to allocate against that particular resource provider (the shared one) and obviously not the compute node resource provider. | 14:29 |
| * cdent nods | 14:29 | |
| * edleafe hopes jaypipes is going to suggest that that logic go in the placement code | 14:29 | |
| * cdent cdent hopes not :) | 14:30 | |
| jaypipes | So, I'm thinking that the response from POST /allocations should include a list of resource providers that were consumed from, *including* the shared provider that the placement engine consumed from. | 14:30 |
| cdent | oops | 14:30 |
| dansmith | hope not | 14:30 |
| cdent | argh | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | The alternative is that placement change the response for GET /resource_providers that it returns to the scheduler to include the shared resource providers that the scheduler should include in its POST /allocations call. | 14:31 |
| * dansmith is confused | 14:31 | |
| edleafe | why is it important for POST /allocations to return anything? | 14:31 |
| cdent | I thought the point of the aggregates cache that the report client (or was it resource tracker) was going to maintain was going to be used to know who is being shared with | 14:31 |
| cdent | and thus we could write explicit allocations | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: good point. technically, it's not. | 14:32 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: scheduler picks the things it wants to claim against, and tries in its POST.. either it works or doesn't.. no decision-making on the placement side right? | 14:32 |
| edleafe | dansmith: it just gets back *root* providers | 14:32 |
| edleafe | e.g., compute nodes | 14:32 |
| dansmith | oh the wrinkle is nested here? | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | yes | 14:32 |
| cdent | also shared | 14:32 |
| cdent | ? | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: no, not nested, though that will be a similar wrinkle. | 14:32 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: okay, but it sounds like you're describing some non-deterministic behavior on the placement side, | 14:33 |
| edleafe | ok, good point | 14:33 |
| dansmith | if it matters what the post response is | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | cdent: the idea of the aggregate cache in the report client was indeed to know what things were shared with the compute node and be able to claim against those shared providers. | 14:33 |
| edleafe | dansmith: it shouldn't matter. POST should just return 204 if successful | 14:34 |
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| dansmith | edleafe: right, that's my thought | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | dansmith: allocating disk resources on a compute node that uses shared storage should be transparent to scheduler | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | cdent: the thing is, we need some way of telling the scheduler ("hey, this resource provider doesn't actually have room for X resource class. for that, you need to add a shared provider to the allocation") | 14:35 |
| dansmith | which is why I'm wondering what jaypipes' point/question is about returning the providers that got consumed from | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: wait - that's not true | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: how so? | 14:36 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: scheduler asks placement for RPs that can satisfy a set of resource requirements | 14:36 |
| edleafe | placement returns that list | 14:36 |
| cdent | I disagree with this statement: "allocating disk resources on a compute node that uses shared storage should be transparent to scheduler" | 14:36 |
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| jaypipes | no, it returns the list of providers that can satisfy that request OR are associated with a provider that shares. | 14:36 |
| edleafe | when scheduler then tries to claim those resources against a RP, placement shouldn't reply "Oh, it can't satisfy that" | 14:36 |
| dansmith | right, it's not transparent to the scheduler | 14:37 |
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| dansmith | scheduler is the thing that knows to claim against the shared provider in the same aggregate as the compute | 14:37 |
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| dansmith | (if we're doing it in scheduler vs. conductor) | 14:37 |
| edleafe | dansmith: placement already determined that the compute node had shared storage in the same agg | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: technically, no, the placement API is the thing that knows that stuff. | 14:37 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: you mean because it returned the shared provider in the initial GET right? | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: no, we don't (currently) return shared providers. we only return providers that are shared *with*. | 14:38 |
| edleafe | Think of it this way: scheduler asks for resources. Placement has to have the logic to handle shared resources. | 14:38 |
| dansmith | um. | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: now, I could change the return response of GET /resource_providers (my question above) if the scheduler does need to know that ionformation. | 14:39 |
| edleafe | Scheduler then claims resources. Placement should have the logic to handle shared resources there, too | 14:39 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: god no! | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: having the placement API do the claim against the shared provider is what I think is the cleanest solution. | 14:39 |
| cdent | i'm not sure if I agree or disagree, edleafe, but why so strenuous? | 14:40 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: that is entirely contrary to what I've been thinking the plan is this whole time | 14:40 |
| edleafe | Because it's a placement detail | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | perhaps it's worth doing a hangout on this. it's a complex topic and IRC threads are a pain for this.. | 14:40 |
| * dansmith is getting rather frustrated with the lack of actual vs. apparent consensuson all this | 14:40 | |
| edleafe | scheduler, or anything else talking to placement, shouldn't have to incorporate that nesting/shared logic | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: please be patient :) we never discussed this in the specs or at summits. | 14:41 |
| dansmith | huh? then I must be missing something even bigger | 14:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: let me turn the question around | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | would everyone be ok with a hangout? | 14:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: why not have the scheduler determine shared resources when getting a list of hosts? | 14:42 |
| cdent | i can listen, but will struggle to talk | 14:42 |
| * alex_xu is ok | 14:42 | |
| * edleafe would need a few minutes to set up | 14:42 | |
| cdent | but I'd prefer to listen at this stage anyway, so is cool | 14:42 |
| * alex_xu will struggle to listen | 14:42 | |
| jaypipes | ok, we can continue on IRC then I suppose. | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: so, to be clear, the GET /resource_providers currently returns resource providers that either have the inventory themselves or are associated with a provider that shares some resources with it. | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: it does not currently return the sharing providers themselves. | 14:43 |
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| jaypipes | dansmith: only the shared-with providers. | 14:43 |
| edleafe | the logic to determine the sharing is in placement | 14:43 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: okay, that's not what I was thinking we were doing | 14:44 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: because that precludes scheduler having filters for complex choosing of which shared thing to use | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: did you think we were returning the sharing providers in addition to the shared-with providers? | 14:44 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:44 |
| dansmith | I think it also maybe prevents scheduler from being able to say "okay I got three compute nodes, one with local disk, two with shared, and the user prefers not shared, so choose cn1" | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: we have the infrastructure in place (via the provider_aggregate_map in the scheduler reporting client) to have the scheduler do some additional filtering logic. If that's what we want ti di, | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | to do... | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: ok, fair point. would you want me to change the response of GET /resource_providers to indicate the shared-with relationship? or do you think it's appropriate for the scheduler to use the provider_aggregate_map stuff and "figure that out" for itself? | 14:47 |
| dansmith | that seems like a lot of stabbing in the dark by the scheduler | 14:48 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: a similar question is going to need answered for nested providers. Do we modify the response of GET /resource_providers to indicate the tree relationship between providers? or do we rely on the reporting client to keep that tree information in memory? | 14:48 |
| cdent | GET /rps quickly gets very confused and confusing if we start trying to represent (and potentially optionally) shared and nested in the response | 14:48 |
| dansmith | I dunno, I thought a major tenant here was that the scheduler was picking "which one" and placement was keeping track of "how much" | 14:49 |
| cdent | on the other hand, the lack of explicitness is ... disarming | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | well, this is complex stuff. no way around that. | 14:49 |
| edleafe | dansmith: if the scheduler has a compute node, can't it tell if it is part of a shared resource agg? | 14:49 |
| dansmith | edleafe: it can by stabbing in the dark yes | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: it can, but it's a lot more work for the scheduler (reporting client) to do that than it is for the placement API. | 14:50 |
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| edleafe | it seems that a better request for GET RPs would be the solution | 14:51 |
| edleafe | like specifying a trait for shared/unshared | 14:51 |
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| jaypipes | look, there's tradeoffs in simplicity/complexity in each of the approaches here. we need to probably choose the one that has the placement API returning the most useful information to the scheduler in a single response. or at least, that's my opinion... | 14:51 |
| edleafe | The only way to deal with messy details is to localize them in one place, rather than try to make every part of the application have to understand that | 14:52 |
| cdent | returning everything was my original opinion | 14:52 |
| edleafe | RP relationships are messy | 14:52 |
| cdent | (months ago) | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | cdent: not helping. | 14:53 |
| cdent | jaypipes: ? I was agreeing with you | 14:53 |
| edleafe | Passing details of the messiness around will lead to more crap code all over the place | 14:53 |
| dansmith | these details seem completely material to scheduler's day job | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: could you be explicit about what "details of the messiness" means to you? | 14:53 |
| dansmith | to me at least | 14:53 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: sure | 14:54 |
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| edleafe | The relationship between RPs, whether with shared aggs or nested providers, is something we've struggled with to get to a halfway-decent representation inside placement | 14:54 |
| edleafe | Now we're thinkning about adding that same logic to the scheduler? And possibly also the conductor? | 14:55 |
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| edleafe | (BTW, 3 minutes left) | 14:57 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: what about adding a separate GET /<something> API endpoint that would return all the things that the scheduler needs to make a decision? | 14:57 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: instead of hacking further the GET /resource_providers endpoint? | 14:58 |
| * jaypipes just throwing out ideas | 14:58 | |
| edleafe | jaypipes: well, that would certainly suck a whole lot less | 14:58 |
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| cdent | do you mean one that would represent the structure more that the current representaiton does? | 14:58 |
| cdent | than | 14:58 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yes | 14:58 |
| edleafe | cdent: maybe like /GET servers vs. /GET servers?uuid-AAAA... | 14:59 |
| jaypipes | cdent: and possibly including things like traits and inventory/usage inforamtion | 14:59 |
| edleafe | list vs. detail | 14:59 |
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| dansmith | this would effectively cement novaisms into placement? | 14:59 |
| edleafe | dansmith: why? | 15:00 |
| manjeets__ | hello | 15:00 |
| edleafe | Oh, wait, times up. Let's move this to -nova | 15:00 |
| dansmith | edleafe: servers? | 15:00 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 15:00:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-06-05-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-06-05-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-06-05-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 15:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ everyone | 15:01 |
| lujinluo | o/ | 15:01 |
| manjeets__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | ok seems like we don't have any specific action items from the prev meeting | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | so we can move straight into reviewing the list of OVO patches maybe | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic OVO | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVO (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
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| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | for the record, we landed router-l3-agent-binding: https://review.openstack.org/377074 | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | also update_objects API: https://review.openstack.org/452266 | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | (^ which I think means tunnel endpoints patch can be revived) | 15:03 |
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| manjeets__ | ihrachys: as you noticed gate was not so nice last week | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | we aslo have security groups OVO adoption in the gate but failing over and over because of unrelated gate issues :https://review.openstack.org/284738 | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | yeah, gate is pretty bad | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | I mostly work on getting it back to normal right now | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | ok, now, starting from the top, lujinluo has two patches for router object: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466237/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307964/ | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I presume that those two are the only bits needed? | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | I see both having some issues passing the gate that seem legit | 15:07 |
| lujinluo | i have not checked why the eager loading patch failed yet. will check after the meeting. as for the router ovo creation patch, i have a local patch which is not finished yet | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | ok let's wait for the new version. for the relationship, functional test failure seems related, but worth a (re)check to be sure. | 15:07 |
| lujinluo | yeah | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | ok next we have network-dhcp-agent-binding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452/ | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | this one has +2 from kevin, good | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | and -1 from lujinluo | 15:08 |
| lujinluo | yes, i pointed out we only need to make a slight change in test_base.py | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | -1 seems to be a small test issue, correct? | 15:09 |
| manjeets__ | ihrachys: I just noticed i'll address lujinluo 's comments today | 15:09 |
| lujinluo | ihrachys, yes, very small issue | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | manjeets__, ++ I will have a look at it after the meeting to make sure we can get it in on the next PS | 15:09 |
| manjeets__ | ++ | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | ok next in the list is neutron-db-manage command for data migration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I see there is some progress there, like stevedore alias added | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | manjeets__, do you know the path forward, or we need to have another look at the latest? | 15:11 |
| manjeets__ | i've also added a functional test using existing framework | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets__, so do you need us to eyeball the latest? | 15:14 |
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| manjeets___ | sorry internet outage for a moment | 15:14 |
| manjeets___ | functional test passed locally but is failing over gate, need to debug it locally again | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | manjeets___, do you need us to eyeball the latest? | 15:15 |
| manjeets___ | sure that will help | 15:15 |
| manjeets___ | if something is wrong with the approach i followed | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | ok next in line is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304873/ (dvr mac address OVO) | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | it's on Tony, and I believe he is not available for the work | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | we probably need to take it over | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | thoughts? anyone heard from Tony lately? | 15:17 |
| lujinluo | no, i do not | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | ok, the patch doesn't seem huge | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | anyone want to polish it? | 15:18 |
| lujinluo | i can try, but i cannot promise i can do it this week | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | ok I will take it myself, shouldn't take a lot of time | 15:19 |
| lujinluo | ok | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | next in the list is port binding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | this one is kinda important since we have port binding changes in the pipeline | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | lujinluo, what's the status there? I see lots of red in gate. | 15:20 |
| lujinluo | yeah, somehow i have a failed UT again besides functional test failures. have not figured out why | 15:21 |
| lujinluo | i will priotirize this PS this week | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | coool | 15:22 |
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| lujinluo | also, reviews would be aprreciated | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | ok let me add it to my list | 15:22 |
| manjeetsb | Sorry my home network is not good today | 15:22 |
| lujinluo | it seems we have manjeetsb back now | 15:23 |
| manjeetsb | Joined over phone now | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | manjeetsb, ack | 15:23 |
| manjeetsb | A review on dbmanage command will help ihrachys | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | manjeetsb, + on my list now | 15:24 |
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| manjeetsb | Cool thanks | 15:24 |
| manjeetsb | I'll checkout dvr ovo patch from Tony today | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | next in queue are two qos related objects from Rodolfo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468406/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468837/ | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | both seem green in gate and well isolated | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | manjeetsb, I am taking it over, so no need. | 15:25 |
| manjeetsb | Ok | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | for qos, I will just put it in my list but it may take a while till I get there | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | next in the list is port binding level OVO: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382037/ | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | it was on shashank who I believe is no longer with openstack? | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | manjeetsb, you should prolly know | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | oh I see a respin on May 24 | 15:27 |
| manjeetsb | He switched job | 15:27 |
| manjeetsb | He is no longer working on openstack now | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | ok let's check in gerrit if he is going to complete it; if no response in a week, we can take it over then | 15:28 |
| manjeetsb | Sure I'll ask him he is in same building as I am in | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | cool | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | I also posted a question on his plans in gerrit | 15:29 |
| manjeetsb | Ohk | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeetsb to clarify if Shashank is going to complete port binding level OVO patch | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | next in line are ip allocation OVOs: https://review.openstack.org/396718 and https://review.openstack.org/396711 | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | those were originally from Victor but I see lujinluo took over | 15:30 |
| lujinluo | I respinned these two. Please help with the reviews ;) | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | + will do, thanks for taking over | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | they seem green, good progress | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ok next is LIKE filter support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | it's on Tony | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | we should take it over | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | I believe it's mostly small things left, like a test missing and such | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | anyone willing to take it over and prepare for merge? | 15:32 |
| manjeetsb | I'll review it today | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | manjeetsb, review or take over/respin? | 15:33 |
| manjeetsb | And see try respining if need really small changes | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ok, thanks | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeetsb to have a look at LIKE support patch and respin | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | next in line is Anindita's endpoints OVO: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810/ | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | I think this was waiting for update_objects API to merge | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | now that it's in, we should be able to revive it | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | since Anindita is no longer with us, we will need to take it over | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | I guess I can take it for respin | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to respin endpoints OVO patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810 | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | ok, most other patches are in conflicts, and I think we have a lot on our hands for the week already, so I will skip those | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | there is a small one for tests from manjeetsb : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411981/ | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | it's nothing major, but seems like there is an issue with a test | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | manjeetsb, what's your plan for the patch? | 15:37 |
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| manjeetsb | I'll revisit it this week and try to address it | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | ok. no rush, it's definitely not top priority | 15:38 |
| manjeetsb | Ok | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's move to the next topic | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | #topic Linuxbridge multinode grenade job | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | the job is in check queue, not voting, and failing *sometimes* depending on the cloud | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | we have this bug reported with proposed solution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683256 | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683256 in neutron "linuxbridge multinode depending on multicast support of provider" [High,Confirmed] | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | I initially thought that Kevin will handle it himself, but now I am not sure | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | maybe worth checking with him if he plans the implementation | 15:41 |
| manjeetsb | May be we can nudge him and ask ?? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | sounds like a devstack-gate/project-config job | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, what's your plan for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683256 ? | 15:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683256 in neutron "linuxbridge multinode depending on multicast support of provider" [High,Confirmed] | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | do you plan to tackle it, or we should find someone to take it over? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | it's prolly quite early for kevinbenton :) | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | ok let's figure it out off band | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | I will talk to him | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to talk to Kevin about his plans for grenade linuxbridge multinode job setup | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | anyone has anything to discuss? | 15:44 |
| lujinluo | none from me | 15:45 |
| manjeetsb | None from me as well | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | ok then let's wrap it up | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | overall I think we do good progress lately | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | let's complete this OVO saga this cycle ;) | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 15:47:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| manjeetsb | Thanks | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-06-05-15.01.html | 15:47 |
| lujinluo | thanks | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-06-05-15.01.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-06-05-15.01.log.html | 15:47 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 20:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| namnh | dave-mccowan: hello dave and everyone | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | hi namnh thanks for joining. did you wake up early or stay up late? | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | no one else has joined yet | 20:03 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: yead, I had to wake up early, in my country, it is 3 am for now | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | we can get started... maybe others will read the minutes later. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic pike status | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike status (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:05 | |
| dave-mccowan | this week is Milestone 2 release | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike | 20:05 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic PTG | 20:05 |
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| dave-mccowan | the ptg is coming up | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 20:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | september 11-15 in Denver, CO. Barbican has a room reserved, but we should confirm we will have enough interested attendees | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic Offline Upgrade Discussion | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Offline Upgrade Discussion (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:08 | |
| dave-mccowan | sorry more people didn't join namnh | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | please go ahead though | 20:08 |
| namnh | For now, we have a blocking point about grenade gate. Currently, one patch set was merged, we have another patch set need to merged on ocata branch | 20:10 |
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| namnh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467388/ | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | hi kfarr | 20:11 |
| kfarr | \o/ | 20:11 |
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| namnh | I think we have to wait for Douglas's comment on it. is that right? | 20:11 |
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| namnh | kfarr: hello kailtin | 20:11 |
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| dave-mccowan | we need either douglas, or someone from the stable-branch team to merge | 20:12 |
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| dave-mccowan | do we know why so many gate jobs failed on that patch? are there other patches that need merge first? | 20:12 |
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| kfarr | yes, the ones that are failing are the new ones that only stand up barbican and keystone | 20:14 |
| kfarr | but the stable branches don't have the patch that made them work on master | 20:15 |
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| kfarr | so I think the solution is to keep the old gates only on the stable branches, and disable the new ones on stable | 20:15 |
| namnh | that's why, you had this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469648/ to don't allow run the gates on ocata newton mitaka. | 20:15 |
| kfarr | right right | 20:16 |
| namnh | btw, I updated a new patch set on it. | 20:16 |
| kfarr | yeah I saw | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | ok. i'll ping the stable team to merge 437388. | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh do we need anything else? | 20:17 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan would you like to be a member of the barbican stable team? | 20:17 |
| namnh | i have one patch set to make our docs more beautiful. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470895/ | 20:18 |
| namnh | kfarr: please help me to review it. | 20:18 |
| kfarr | thanks namnh ! | 20:18 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan I think each project is supposed to have a couple of people on the project team that can merge patches to stable branches | 20:19 |
| kfarr | so that we don't have to bug the stable team each time | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | i asked a few months ago. since at that point i didn't have a track record of reviewing stable patches, they weren't inclined to grant me +2, but they were more than happy to do it for me. that's fine with me. always good to have an extra set of eyes. if it becomes an issue, i'll ask again. | 20:19 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: after we finish the gate. I can make a patch to request a tag to TC and add you as reviewer. is that right? | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh yes, that is great. | 20:20 |
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| namnh | dave-mccowan: ok, I will do it, thanks | 20:21 |
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| dave-mccowan | namnh is there anything that needs to happen for upgrade when pike ships and we start queens? | 20:21 |
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| namnh | dave-mccowan: I think no. But don't worry about that, I will follow this feature. | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks! anything else? | 20:23 |
| namnh | that's all my option | 20:23 |
| namnh | about rolling upgrade, i will discuss later | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:24 |
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| jackie-truong | Hi barbican team. Would someone mind reviewing this patch? It's waiting on one more +2. Thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455459/ | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks jackie-truong i'll take a look | 20:25 |
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| jackie-truong | thanks! | 20:25 |
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| dave-mccowan | looks like that's it for today. thanks everyone! | 20:27 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan: wait a moment, are there something wrong on your opinion: " ok. i'll ping the stable team to merge 437388." | 20:28 |
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| namnh | i think that is 467388 | 20:28 |
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| namnh | dave-mccowan: right? | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | namnh yes, that's right. | 20:28 |
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| dave-mccowan | i just asked in #openstack-stable | 20:30 |
| namnh | dave-mccowan:thanks for your help, I hope that it can be merged ASAP | 20:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 20:32:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-05-20.00.html | 20:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-05-20.00.txt | 20:32 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-05-20.00.log.html | 20:32 |
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| namnh | thanks dave-mccowan, kfarr | 20:32 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello PWG | 20:58 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 21:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| leong | #chair shamail | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: leong shamail | 21:00 |
| leong | hi all | 21:00 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:00 |
| leong | #topic rollcall | 21:00 |
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| AndyU | o/ | 21:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello all | 21:00 |
| shamail | hi | 21:00 |
| leong | this is PWG meeting :) | 21:00 |
| AndyU | hi all | 21:00 |
| annabelleB | hello! | 21:00 |
| leong | today agenda can be found here: | 21:01 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:01 |
| leong | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
| leong | if you have anything else not in the agenda, please feel free to shout out :-) | 21:01 |
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| leong | #topic Review of action items from previous meeting | 21:02 |
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| leong | #link Previous minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-05-22-21.00.html | 21:02 |
| leong | is mrhillsman here? | 21:02 |
| leong | I have replied to JohnG email on the hashtag | 21:03 |
| leong | didn't see any further diccussion on the thread | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | What is the action for review the ##hashtag result? | 21:04 |
| leong | have anyone look at the ##hashtag result? | 21:04 |
| shamail | I have not yet | 21:04 |
| leong | Arkady: that would be on today Agenda item | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | me neither. But want to understand what are we looking for? | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we want to propose some new stories? | 21:05 |
| leong | i have submitted a patch to fix some ##hashtag, can core please review? | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will take taht AI, Leong. | 21:05 |
| MeganR | I have not looked, either | 21:05 |
| leong | #link hashtag patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469267/ | 21:06 |
| jamemcc | Jamey here: I have - I find the ones we put #LCOO to be a really ueseful and quick cross reference to things taht got discussed and we want to carry forward | 21:06 |
| AndyU | I haven't read through them either. There's a lot there. | 21:06 |
| leong | the patch also included the "python-program" | 21:06 |
| leong | anyone can contribute to improve that python-program if needed :) | 21:06 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:06 |
| leong | hi mrhillsman | 21:06 |
| leong | mrhillsman: previous meeting action item -> mrhillsman to follow up on the summaries and video/method of providing guidance on moderating | 21:07 |
| leong | any updates? | 21:07 |
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| mrhillsman | I got the video from rockyg that was done | 21:07 |
| mrhillsman | I think it with supplemental will suffice, as shooting another video is probably overkill | 21:08 |
| leong | ok | 21:08 |
| mrhillsman | Wiki page consolidating all the things maybe? | 21:09 |
| leong | mrhillsman: Wiki page consolidating all the things? can you elaborate more? | 21:09 |
| mrhillsman | Well, we have the video, moderator template, ops meetups moderator guide, FAQs, eyc | 21:10 |
| mrhillsman | etc | 21:10 |
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| leong | are you thiking putting at "PWG" wiki page or "UC" wiki page? | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we do need to update out wiki. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam. It is still stuck on Ocata not Pike. | 21:11 |
| mrhillsman | Probably standalone anyone cam link to may be best | 21:11 |
| leong | not only update, but also "simplifying" :) | 21:11 |
| shamail | standalone makes sense | 21:11 |
| AndyU | agree w /mrhillsman about standalone | 21:12 |
| shamail | and linked to from the Forum and Ops Meetup pages | 21:12 |
| leong | anyone interested to contribute to updating/simplifying the PWG wiki? including the video, moderator template, ops meetups moderator guide, FAQs? | 21:12 |
| AndyU | I am o/ | 21:12 |
| shamail | Why are the moderator templates, ops meetups moderator, etc in PWG? | 21:12 |
| mrhillsman | leong I dont...^ | 21:12 |
| shamail | (sorry if this has been covered already) | 21:12 |
| leong | shamail: that's my original question :) | 21:12 |
| shamail | Ah ok | 21:13 |
| leong | [14:10] <leong> are you thiking putting at "PWG" wiki page or "UC" wiki page? | 21:13 |
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| shamail | I think the content related to moderating sessions should be on its own page (not PWG or UC) as mrhillsman suggested. The content can be linked as needed to event pages in that case and anyone could edit it as well. | 21:13 |
| leong | i think it makes sense to put in a wiki "outside" PWG, maybe within UC? or a standalone wiki? | 21:14 |
| mrhillsman | Right, neither, standalone and others can link to it. | 21:14 |
| leong | shamail: +! | 21:14 |
| leong | +1 | 21:14 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:14 |
| AndyU | standalone | 21:14 |
| leong | so we have two action item on wiki | 21:14 |
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| leong | 1. update and simplify PWG wiki | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | but how would people find standalone wiki? Do we have master index? | 21:14 |
| leong | 2. create a standalone wiki for video, moderator template, ops meetups moderator guide, FAQs | 21:14 |
| leong | arkady, with standalone wiki, any other group can reference it | 21:15 |
| leong | anyone interest to take on (1) or (2) ? | 21:15 |
| AndyU | right. It would be linked to from other pages | 21:15 |
| * leong the room seems quite.... | 21:16 | |
| leong | anyone interest to take on (1) or (2) ? | 21:16 |
| leong | :) | 21:16 |
| mrhillsman | we have this - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups#Moderators_Guide | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will take 1. | 21:16 |
| mrhillsman | i can #2 | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Will send proposal to email reflector | 21:16 |
| mrhillsman | will start with that | 21:16 |
| AndyU | I'm willing to help with 1 or 2 | 21:16 |
| mrhillsman | add other stuff, email folks to modify/update as necessary | 21:17 |
| leong | #action Arkady_Kanevsky and AndyU to work on updating/simplifying PWG wiki | 21:17 |
| leong | #action mrhillsman and AndyU to work on standalone wiki page for video, moderator template, ops meetups moderator guide, FAQs | 21:18 |
| leong | mrhillsman: +1 on starting from the existing guide | 21:18 |
| AndyU | I see that "or" became an "and" ;) That's ok. | 21:18 |
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| leong | haha.. ops | 21:18 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 21:18 |
| leong | andyu: up to you to pick one :) | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks for help AndyU | 21:19 |
| leong | ok.. let's move on to next topic | 21:19 |
| AndyU | I'm happy to help with both. | 21:19 |
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| leong | #topic Action Plan | 21:19 |
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| leong | in last meeting, we talked about two PWG value | 21:19 |
| leong | #info Value 1: Properly documenting ideas, getting a structured workflow, and integration into development workflow | 21:19 |
| leong | #info Value 2: Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers | 21:19 |
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| leong | i would like to turn that into some deliverables and action plan | 21:20 |
| leong | is there anything that we can do in order to "deliver" both the value? | 21:20 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong are you thinking of some automated process? | 21:21 |
| * shamail is in two meetings atm, sorry. | 21:21 | |
| leong | for example: would "updating/simplifying" wiki be an action items to achieve value 1? | 21:21 |
| AndyU | For #1, I think that we need to do some marketing of the Dev Proposal flow, purpose, etc to wg's, project teams, etc. | 21:21 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: anything that allow us to achieve the value | 21:21 |
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| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: is more about what sort of tactics we should do in order to deliver both value | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do not think so Leong. Do not see how it will simplify the process. We will have a pointer to templated proposals. | 21:22 |
| AndyU | I the dev proposal forum session we found that no one there had even heard of it before | 21:22 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: yeah.. u are thinking along the line :) | 21:22 |
| leong | so my question would be: what should we do in order to realize the value | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we did change our nomenclature in Milan meeting. | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We can update wiki and send email blast with details on proposal idea flow. | 21:23 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: so we do need to update the wiki first.... | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think so. | 21:24 |
| MeganR | are we thinking of meeting with PTLs or with the TC to discuss our "value" | 21:24 |
| AndyU | Need to increase awareness of the dev proposal flow and encourage quality participation | 21:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 AndyU. | 21:25 |
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| leong | MeganR: i am thinking how can we get PTLs/core involved as part of the PWG workflow | 21:25 |
| AndyU | To MeganR's point, PTL's and TC need to understand and support the dev prop flow | 21:26 |
| MeganR | have we asked them directly? | 21:26 |
| leong | MeganR: that brought up a good question | 21:26 |
| leong | so far PTL/core seems not involved in the process | 21:27 |
| leong | apart that from the Baremetal use case, i do reach out to ex PTL and core of Ironic | 21:27 |
| AndyU | I only spoke with a few PTL and TC but none knew about the process | 21:27 |
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| AndyU | at the summit that is | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It is too early whne we get proposal isea submitted till we decompose it and do gap analysis | 21:28 |
| rocky_g | hey again. | 21:28 |
| MeganR | AndyU: can we follow-up with those you spoke with - I'm thinking that we pick a few to "review" the process, and get their feeback and buy-in | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We can add PTL for specific project to proposal review list. | 21:28 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1.. i think PTL/core would only be interested after (or at) the Gap Analysis phase | 21:28 |
| shamail | In order for them to support it they have to be aware of it but also it has to have value for them. We have to think about how to show value in “subscribing” to this process. | 21:29 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 21:29 |
| leong | for baremetal, we completed the gap-analysis | 21:29 |
| AndyU | MeganR - we can try | 21:29 |
| leong | but not for the rest of development proposals | 21:29 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Should we add optionally to proposal template expected projects impacted. | 21:30 |
| AndyU | +1 Arkady | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | With that we will be able to add a core or PTL for these projects for review. | 21:30 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: that was includd in the Gap Analysis (for Baremetal case) | 21:30 |
| AndyU | In our forum session, project leads/cores expressed a desire to be aware and plugged in early. | 21:31 |
| leong | #link baremetal gap analysis: https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/blob/master/gap-analysis/proposed/baremetal-service.rst | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We definitely do that for gap analysis. But does it make sense to involve them at proposal review also? | 21:31 |
| MeganR | is that too late, adding them for the "review" if they don't know about the process now. Should we be communicating with the PTL when we first receive a project, and let them know that we are working on it? | 21:31 |
| AndyU | I think waiting for Gap Analysis may be too late. | 21:32 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 21:32 |
| shamail | That would allow them to decide how involved they want to be and when | 21:32 |
| leong | agree: we should get PTL/core aware as early as possible | 21:32 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | My obejctive is to get PTL input if idea was circulatd before in the team and got feedback that we are not aware of. | 21:32 |
| AndyU | But for it to be sooner we need to raise the bar on what qualifies a proposal to move forward. It's too easy to just write up the first part with no real will or ability to drive any farther. Don't wantg to waste peoples time. | 21:33 |
| leong | AndyU: +1 | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 AndyU | 21:33 |
| leong | so who shall make the call that a proposal is "qualified/good-enough" to move forward? PWG? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | great quetsoin. | 21:34 |
| AndyU | Maybe we meet with proposal owners and ask them questions about how they plan to move it forward, assess if it seems viable | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think it is PWG now/ | 21:34 |
| MeganR | Why don't we get it to an approved point with the PWG and then reach out to the PTL for their input | 21:34 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | We do that as part of gap analsyis stage | 21:34 |
| MeganR | I was thinking earlier | 21:35 |
| leong | so PWG need to take an "active" role to review all proposals | 21:35 |
| MeganR | decide what is the "bare minimum" to move it forward and then engage the PTL | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong +1 | 21:35 |
| AndyU | The current Approved/Accepted step perhaps should vbe thought of as approved DRAFT which then moves into a 2nd phase of revision with project stakeholders? | 21:36 |
| leong | another question is: would PWG has enough skillset to review the proposal? | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | if we do not know if we can pull people from our companies for help | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | if we do not have enouhg skills we can pull people fomr our respective companies for help | 21:38 |
| leong | ok. so can we take on existing Development Proposals and move forward from there? | 21:38 |
| AndyU | I think PWG definitely can determine when it is sufficiently clear and focused. When it is agreed to be addressing a significant need and so forth. | 21:38 |
| leong | can we review this list and see which one is ready to move forward? | 21:39 |
| leong | #link Existing Proposal: https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/development-proposals/proposed | 21:39 |
| leong | #link Proposal working-in-progress: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/development-proposals+status:open | 21:40 |
| leong | i mean: can we review this list over the week (not now) and see which one is ready to move forward? | 21:41 |
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| leong | :) | 21:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | we need to review a few of them. | 21:41 |
| leong | #action all to review existing+wip proposals and decide which one is ready to move forward with wider participation from PTL/core | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Can use help for reveiw of https://review.openstack.org/444664 | 21:42 |
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| leong | for Value 2: Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers | 21:42 |
| AndyU | We're organizing some support behind the logging proposal and will be breathing new life into that | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong do you want everybody to send email on result of review? | 21:43 |
| rocky_g | AndyU, ++ | 21:43 |
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| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: i am fine with it | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:43 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: for WIP proposal, we can review on gerrit | 21:43 |
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| AndyU | rocky_g - I didn't forget. We're mobilizing a lot of support now. Will reach out soon. | 21:44 |
| leong | for those "merged" proposals, let's discuss over ML | 21:44 |
| leong | for Value 2: Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers | 21:44 |
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| leong | i think we need to work closely with UC and participate in cross-wg discussion | 21:44 |
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| leong | i will keep that as an ongoing discussion item | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. | 21:45 |
| leong | i want to spend some time on next agenda | 21:45 |
| jamemcc | Per previous desire for PWG to help the WG with their development proposal - we have this session on Wednesday: #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LCOO/2017.06.7-8+Specialty+-+Containerized+Control+Plane+User+Stories+-+kickoff | 21:45 |
| leong | #topic Post-forum report | 21:45 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | what do we need to do for cross-wg discussion? | 21:46 |
| leong | Next step on ##hashtag - https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/forum/201705-bos | 21:46 |
| leong | what do we want to get out from the ##hashtag result? | 21:46 |
| leong | are we going to create a post-forum report based on the ##hashtag result? | 21:46 |
| leong | or is the existing ##hashtag result sufficient enough? | 21:47 |
| leong | are we able to derive any new development proposals from the ##hashtag result? | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we chaired a few UC sesson and collected data on it. Several of us sent email on it | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | did you say the scripts used to generate those are online? | 21:48 |
| shamail | I think we need to mine the data and search insights | 21:48 |
| shamail | versus just the raw results | 21:48 |
| AndyU | We spoke of (1) making the various stakeholders aware of things in pads relevant to them | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | +1 shamail | 21:48 |
| AndyU | yes, and what Shamail said | 21:48 |
| leong | what are we trying to "mining"? | 21:49 |
| AndyU | Also spoke of looking for the bigger themes | 21:49 |
| mrhillsman | it seems from there one could "get out" of it something | 21:49 |
| shamail | interesting data, correlations, items with high discussion, recurrence, etc | 21:49 |
| mrhillsman | maybe which tags...^ | 21:50 |
| mrhillsman | always faster than me hehe | 21:50 |
| shamail | :P | 21:50 |
| leong | so that would probably need "manual mining" i presume... | 21:50 |
| shamail | yea | 21:51 |
| shamail | at least the first time | 21:51 |
| leong | anyone interested to sign up for the data mining? | 21:51 |
| shamail | until we identify things to mine for | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how many pages do we have to mine? | 21:51 |
| leong | i can't do it alone :) | 21:51 |
| AndyU | how do you propose to do it? | 21:51 |
| mrhillsman | hehe, agreed leong | 21:51 |
| MeganR | I can help - just need a clear understanding of what I'm looking for | 21:52 |
| leong | actually the files are not too large for this first-time round | 21:52 |
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| AndyU | almost seems like we'd need to just skim the etherpads directly. We don't yet know if the hashtag's were even used effectively | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thiunk each of us can review several. Just need to devide across us | 21:52 |
| mrhillsman | i am going to focus on the wiki page for moderators and can help once it takes a little bit of shapre | 21:52 |
| mrhillsman | shape | 21:52 |
| shamail | yeah | 21:52 |
| shamail | lets divide etherpads | 21:53 |
| shamail | total # / volunteers | 21:53 |
| leong | MeganR: i think we are trying to mine/figure out "what are things we are looking for" :) | 21:53 |
| shamail | i’ll help | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we are looking for "new" requirements. | 21:53 |
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| AndyU | like mrhillsman, I'd like to focus on the wiki pages | 21:53 |
| mrhillsman | unfulfilled/stale "old" requirements? | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or refinement of existign ones - gaps | 21:54 |
| MeganR | @leong - thanks for the clarification, I think :) | 21:54 |
| mrhillsman | better said Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:54 |
| leong | ok.. can we use this etherpad to focus on this effort? | 21:55 |
| leong | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-forum-analysis | 21:55 |
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| leong | #link PWG Forum Data Mining: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-forum-analysis | 21:55 |
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| leong | put up the list of etherpads/wiki pages and sign up for mining | 21:56 |
| rocky_g | Also, as an FYI, dovetail, or some such, did you guys see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mf8OAyTzZxCKzYHMgBl-QK_2-XSycSkOjqCyMTIedkA/edit#gid=0 | 21:56 |
| rocky_g | The Public Cloud WG gaps list | 21:56 |
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| AndyU | rocky_g - thanks for sharing | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | this is for public cloud. DO we have one for each use case? | 21:58 |
| leong | alright, are we good with the plan for data mining? | 21:58 |
| * leong 2 mins | 21:58 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 2 min left. | 21:58 |
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| leong | rocky_g: i would suggest if the public wg can define that in the PWG development proposals, we shall collaobrat with them | 21:59 |
| rocky_g | Arkady_Kanevsky, the gaps can be organized and would turn into a story or three... but they aren't as yet. | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:59 |
| leong | i guess we can wrap up here | 22:00 |
| leong | thanks everyone for joining the call | 22:00 |
| mrhillsman | l8r | 22:00 |
| mrhillsman | thx leong | 22:00 |
| AndyU | Have a good week all | 22:00 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Have a great day | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 22:00:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-06-05-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-06-05-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-06-05-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| rocky_g | The biggest hole is really "roles" as in cloud ops, domain ops, domain user, etc. The whole nested, hierachical cloud management thing. | 22:00 |
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| * fungi smells a zuul | 22:01 | |
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| * jeblair sniffs around | 22:02 | |
| clarkb | does it smell like a dinosaur? | 22:02 |
| jeblair | oh there it is | 22:02 |
| fungi | more like a wumpus | 22:02 |
| mrhillsman | stinky | 22:02 |
| fungi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_the_Wumpus | 22:02 |
| jeblair | SpamapS, jlk, mordred, Shrews, pabelanger, tristanC: courtesy ping | 22:03 |
| * mrhillsman so wants to play now | 22:03 | |
| pabelanger | present for atleast 30mins, then I have to board a train | 22:03 |
| tristanC | oh hai! | 22:03 |
| * Shrews here, just also doing dinner things | 22:03 | |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 5 22:03:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-05-22-22.04.html | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | pabelanger create zuul-base-jobs and zuul-jobs repos | 22:04 |
| pabelanger | they should be created | 22:04 |
| jeblair | w00t | 22:05 |
| pabelanger | confirmed | 22:05 |
| jeblair | i think reviews there have probably taken a back seat to the server work | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:05 |
| pabelanger | yes, I haven't started migrating anything into them as of yet | 22:05 |
| pabelanger | likely after new servers are online I can switch back to that | 22:05 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul sample jobs | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Zuul sample jobs (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:05 | |
| jeblair | let's just segue into that... | 22:06 |
| jeblair | since i think this rightly takes a back seat to the new server work right now | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | since we've just landed some changes that will prevent us running zuulv3 on the current dev server if we restart it | 22:06 |
| pabelanger | ya, I haven't done much work over the last week on jobs | 22:06 |
| * mordred waves | 22:06 | |
| pabelanger | zuulv3.o.o is online, working on ze01.o.o next | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | it makes sense to me to prioritize getting the xenial server up, then resume work on the jobs. | 22:07 |
| jeblair | there's also one more config-breaking change that i think we need to land before we can really push on this | 22:07 |
| pabelanger | wfm, I plan on focusing on ze01 tomorrow | 22:08 |
| jeblair | it's the one that should let us more easily share repos across zuul installs | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | oooo like, puppetized zuulv3.o.o ? | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | that's nice. :) | 22:08 |
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| jeblair | (eg, share repos between zuul and bonnyci, etc) | 22:08 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: yep! | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | python3 too | 22:08 |
| * SpamapS is playing with trying to get jlk's containerization work in zuulv3 deployed into Bluemix's shiny new k8s service. | 22:09 | |
| jeblair | (in order to share repos effictively, we need to be able to indicate that we only want to load certain config objects from certain repos, eg, bonnyci does not want to load our pipeline config. this is also important for third-party ci) | 22:09 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 22:10 |
| pabelanger | great | 22:10 |
| jeblair | #info zuul now requires bubblewrap which needs at lesat ubuntu xenial, and will require python3 soon | 22:10 |
| jeblair | #info work on puppetized production xenial zuulv3.openstack.org is in progress | 22:10 |
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| pabelanger | 469994 could use a review | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | that is the puppet executor part | 22:11 |
| pabelanger | system-config is ready | 22:11 |
| jeblair | #info effective use of sample jobs requires a change to zuul to specify which config objects should be loaded per-project | 22:12 |
| jeblair | #info work on sample jobs will resume when xenial server work and repo-config-object change is complete | 22:12 |
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| pabelanger | I have to step away for 20mins or so | 22:12 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: thanks! | 22:12 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:13 |
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| jeblair | i know there are some outstanding changes in need of review | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | I don't think we have any left that are straight forward | 22:13 |
| jeblair | i hope to review them soon; i've just been trying to push some production-blockers through | 22:13 |
| jeblair | one of which might (depending on how you count) dispose of a number of tests | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | (it deals with the cloner tests) | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | i hope to have this bubble back up to the top of my list soon | 22:15 |
| jeblair | anything else related to test enablement? | 22:15 |
| jeblair | (as usual, if anyone is working on a test and has questions, feel free to ping me) | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | The sshkey one is a bit confusing to me | 22:15 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: which one is that? | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: test_timer_sshkey | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | it tries to find an SSH wrapper for gerrit when a job is started via timer | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | but the code that makes ssh wrappers is gone? or something? I'm not sure. | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | I've bounced off of it twice. | 22:17 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: hrm, i'll look at that post-meeting | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | yeah it's the only one I'm still trying to tackle | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | the others are related to your branch work and the cloner work | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | (I think if you count all in-flight we're down to 5 that have not been addressed) | 22:18 |
| jeblair | \o/ | 22:18 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Github | 22:18 |
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| jeblair | i propose we drop this from the fixed agenda, on account of the branch has landed :) | 22:19 |
| jeblair | (there's still more work to do, but we have something that, if not working, at least passes tests :) | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | Seconded. | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | motion carries, or something | 22:20 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Bubblewrap | 22:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Bubblewrap (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:20 | |
| jeblair | ditto :) | 22:20 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure anyone has run this in production yet, and we won't until we have the xenial server | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | There is one minor topic here.. which is that with bubblewrap landing, we've made the zuul-executor difficult to run in a container | 22:21 |
| jeblair | but that's rsn. | 22:21 |
| jamielennox | omg, github AND bubblewrap landed? it's like christmas | 22:21 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: it currently needs to be privileged container? | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | Containers running zuul-executor need to be run privileged now. | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | Or you can use the nullwrap driver and drop bubblewrap | 22:22 |
| mordred | jamielennox: welcome back! | 22:22 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:22 |
| pabelanger | have internet again | 22:22 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: how onerous a requirement would you say that is? | 22:23 |
| pabelanger | they also need port 79/tcp right? | 22:23 |
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| jamielennox | SpamapS: also do you know exactly why? | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | So, that's why I started playing with deploying in Bluemix's k8s | 22:23 |
| Shrews | pabelanger: no, that's configurable now | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | Which does allow your pods to be privileged. | 22:23 |
| tristanC | if zuul-executor needs to contains it's own execution, what's the issue with it running in a privileged container? | 22:23 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: cool, wasn't following that. thanks | 22:23 |
| mordred | tristanC: that would make it harder to run in a public k8s service | 22:23 |
| fungi | i guess the issue is that it becomes a nested containerization problem? | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | tristanC: some container services don't allow you to run privileged. | 22:24 |
| mordred | SpamapS: oh -it does? neat | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | mordred: yeah, since your cluster is made up of VMs that you own. | 22:24 |
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| SpamapS | Anyway, it's just something I wanted to make sure we socialize. | 22:24 |
| mordred | SpamapS: sweet. that should buy a little time- I had some thoughts on this topic over the weekend I need to vomit out somewhere so that you can comment on them | 22:24 |
| pabelanger | using nullwrap driver seems to be a good compromise for unprivileged containers | 22:25 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: compromise being the operative word | 22:25 |
| pabelanger | would it make sense to run bwrap in a container? | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | There's a thought I have also which is to possibly have untrusted-only and trusted-only executors which would make running w/ nullwrap possibly safer. | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | but it's more of a high-scale high-class problem so I'll keep stewing on it. | 22:25 |
| tristanC | then how difficult would it be to run a zuul-executor container for trusted config, and another one for untrusted config? | 22:25 |
| tristanC | to move the nested logic one layer up... | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: it definitely makes sense to run bwrap in a container, since the point is to shield executor data from untrusted playbooks. | 22:26 |
| mordred | tristanC, SpamapS: jobs can have trusted and untrusted content in the same job | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | mordred: I know, that's why this is still stewing. :) | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | SpamapS: right, I see what you are saying now | 22:26 |
| mordred | SpamapS: stew is tasty | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | and chunky | 22:26 |
| jeblair | (the use case for that is: consider a user may want to take the logs from an untrusted job and put them somewhere that requires special access to write to) | 22:27 |
| jeblair | (it's not farfetched :) | 22:27 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i guess the action item at the moment is: once we write the operational docs, make sure we treat this subject. | 22:28 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: agreed | 22:29 |
| jeblair | i expect docs will be a standing agenda item in the near future... :) | 22:29 |
| jeblair | let's move on to... | 22:29 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:30 |
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| SpamapS | so the board has been getting almost no attention from me lately | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i got a lot of emails from my cron script | 22:30 |
| jeblair | so *something* has been happening :) | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | Yeah we're using storyboard for sure | 22:31 |
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| jeblair | #action triage new lane in storyboard | 22:31 |
| jeblair | #undo | 22:31 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action triage new lane in storyboard | 22:31 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair triage new lane in storyboard | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | Lots of New stuff | 22:31 |
| jeblair | and yeah, for me i've just been mostly head down trying to push stuff through :) | 22:32 |
| jeblair | #topic nodepool-drivers status | 22:33 |
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| SpamapS | I do think we may want to think about pruning the board down to just blockers for zuulv3 going into prod for infra | 22:33 |
| jeblair | #unfo | 22:33 |
| jeblair | #undo | 22:33 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic nodepool-drivers status | 22:33 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, we may be losing focus a bit there | 22:33 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ++ | 22:33 |
| jeblair | maybe a new lane or a new board? | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | I think a new tag and splitting of the things is in order | 22:34 |
| * jeblair updates a task he's working on | 22:34 | |
| SpamapS | zuulv30 maybe? like, zuulv3 is "zuulv3 running jobs in infra" and zuulv30 is "we finished the spec" ? | 22:35 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: can we boolean 'and' the tags? | 22:36 |
| jeblair | i can't remember if a board can do that | 22:36 |
| jeblair | zuulv3 and openstack-infra or something might be nice... | 22:37 |
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| SpamapS | worth looking into | 22:37 |
| jeblair | anyway, whatever it takes, that sounds good to me. :) | 22:37 |
| fungi | i think as long as the query itself works you should be able to use it in an automatic worklist or board situation too | 22:37 |
| jeblair | ok, let's move on to nodepool drivers | 22:37 |
| jeblair | #topic nodepool-drivers status | 22:37 |
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| jeblair | tristanC: i think you added this? | 22:38 |
| jeblair | tristanC: care to introduce it? | 22:38 |
| tristanC | indeed, well this is related to the nodepool-drivers spec | 22:38 |
| tristanC | i *tried* to hack something together to get static node support in nodepool | 22:38 |
| * fungi notes that the spec in question has no assignees nor a storyboard story | 22:38 | |
| tristanC | fungi: *cough* https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468623/ :) | 22:39 |
| fungi | awesome! rebasing my help-wanted change on top of that now | 22:39 |
| jeblair | cool | 22:39 |
| tristanC | so basically, if this what was expecting, then I could continue on this and start adding test | 22:40 |
| Shrews | tristanC: any chance you've been collaborating with smyers (also a RH person) on that? his team is very interested in that as well | 22:40 |
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| jeblair | we can also add tristanC and smeyers if he's interested, (and maybe tobiash after he gets back?) to the spec as assignees too | 22:40 |
| tristanC | Shrews: no, this is a one off change done over the week end, I can contact him for follow-ups | 22:41 |
| jeblair | for my part, i very much want to look this over, but haven't had a chance yet. i'm feeling some urgency to try to get some things out of the way that are blocking running zuulv3 in production (which should enable more folks to start working on other facets of using zuulv3 in openstack infra), so i've been trying to focus on that. | 22:41 |
| clarkb | I liked where the implementation of things started but then as the changes were added on top I felt that the driver api became very muddied. I think we just need to carefully write down some api contracts and stick with them until we decide they are wrong. (tristanC seemed to agree in review so not very controversial just wanted to point it out to bigger audience) | 22:42 |
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| jeblair | basically, i'm trying to find a balance between staying focused on what we need to get into production asap, but i also don't want to block follow-on efforts for too long | 22:42 |
| fungi | sounds like a reasonable approach | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | that goes back to the /41 board | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | if we can push some of the things to "later", I think we're pretty close to saying zuulv3 does all the things infra needs | 22:43 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: I agree with your statement | 22:43 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, i feel like we ought to be able to clear my urgent list by the end of the week | 22:45 |
| * mordred agrees with jeblair and SpamapS | 22:45 | |
| jeblair | tristanC: can you give me till the end of the week to review your work so far? | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: maybe if you could stop uncovering race conditions we could ship it. ;) | 22:45 |
| fungi | we're going to need a bigger broom? | 22:45 |
| jeblair | tristanC: that might be a good opportunity to try to loop smeyers into the process as well | 22:46 |
| tristanC | clarkb: pabelanger: agreed, though this is quite difficult to do without disrupting too much the openstack driver | 22:46 |
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| pabelanger | should care be taken for linchpin driver when we are working on the nodepool driver? eg: some sort of ansible driver from nodepool? | 22:46 |
| tristanC | jeblair: sure thing! | 22:46 |
| tristanC | well to be honest, I stoped when the static and oci driver started to work, I'm sure the interface can be improved | 22:47 |
| Shrews | pabelanger: yeah, i think linchpin is probably what smyers would be thinking of adding to it | 22:47 |
| jeblair | possibly dumb question, but since folks are here, is "oci" something that can/should be handled by linchpin, or does it need its own driver? | 22:48 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: that's one question I had, are we expecting people to write nodepool (python logic) drivers each time something new comes along or maybe abstract some of it via ansible | 22:49 |
| jeblair | i'm working from the assumption that linchpin would give us access to *many* clouds at small scale, and the reason we still need an openstack driver is for our large-scale needs | 22:49 |
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| jeblair | and then, if folks want to use, i dunno, aws at our scale, maybe they write an aws driver | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | +1 from me | 22:49 |
| clarkb | I think linchpin is largely new to the larger audience. If it uses ansible to provision instances in clouds I'd personally write a specific driver for $cloud just having tried to use ansible for that in the past | 22:50 |
| clarkb | you run into a lot of fun problems like what I've hit with random networking stuff in say citycloud | 22:50 |
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| SpamapS | may as well libcloud, right? | 22:50 |
| mordred | jeblair: the way the oci driver tristanC put together opened up a way of thinking about that space I hadn't considered yet | 22:50 |
| mordred | SpamapS: that doens't work | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | would that be a nice perfect full circle? | 22:50 |
| mordred | :) | 22:50 |
| pabelanger | my only concern for nodepool drivers, what is our plan for testing them. Ansible I think we have a good hold on now, but nodepool driver for aws? | 22:51 |
| mordred | jeblair: so I may have said linch-pin before, but there's some real nice possibilities with the simplicitiy of what's in that patch currently | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: there's a free tier | 22:51 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i would definitely be looking for someone to sign up for ongoing test maintenance before we consider it. :) | 22:51 |
| mordred | jeblair: oh - I mean "may have said linch-pin before for oci" - not talking in general | 22:51 |
| tristanC | pabelanger: it seems like what matter the most is a solid interface, then you can use what ever tool to do the implementation | 22:51 |
| clarkb | tristanC: ++ | 22:52 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: but to bring that to the present... | 22:52 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, tristanC: how can we test an oci driver? | 22:52 |
| clarkb | jeblair: you have the nodepool driver test ssh into itselef and execute containers | 22:52 |
| clarkb | it should be straightfoward to do that | 22:53 |
| mordred | I think doing an linch-pin driver once we have a driver interface we're happy with, will open a door to folks experimenting. whether or not it winds up being a preferred way to get non-openstack resources or not will remain to be seen I'd guess | 22:53 |
| mordred | jeblair: yah. what clarkb said | 22:53 |
| jeblair | ok | 22:53 |
| mordred | the oci driver makes little oci processes running ssh - so it by-and-large looks a bunch like what we get from vms | 22:53 |
| jeblair | thanks for entertaining my questions even though i'm ignorant of the patch series contents. that's some good background for me to have while i look at it. :) | 22:54 |
| tristanC | jeblair: the oci driver I proposed needs ssh access to the "hypervisor", and the runc program installed | 22:54 |
| pabelanger | okay, we should be able to update nodepool dsvm for POC in that case | 22:54 |
| tristanC | and well i wrote it that way to check the initial driver interface could work for other things than openstack/static node | 22:55 |
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| jeblair | going from 1 to 3 drivers should give us a pretty good triangulation on the api. :) | 22:56 |
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| pabelanger | Oh, we could do a multinode job then for oci test | 22:56 |
| mordred | yah- at first I was like "2 drivers" - but then it was helpful for looking at the api - yah | 22:56 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: multinode not required (nor desireable I don't think) | 22:56 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: single node will exercise all of the code just as well as multinode | 22:56 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: agree | 22:57 |
| fungi | yeah, trying to work out where multinode testing would even come into the picture | 22:57 |
| fungi | seems unwarranted | 22:57 |
| fungi | unless we somehow exceed the amount of resources we have available on one node | 22:57 |
| fungi | which i think is extremely unlikely | 22:58 |
| pabelanger | the SSH to hypervisor part made me think about multi node | 22:58 |
| pabelanger | however, loopback should also work | 22:58 |
| jeblair | this has been a good discussion | 23:00 |
| jeblair | and we're out of time | 23:00 |
| jeblair | tristanC: thanks! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | and everyone else, thanks too | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 5 23:00:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-05-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-05-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-05-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
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| tristanC | jeblair: you're welcome! | 23:00 |
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| pabelanger | tristanC: thanks for the patches | 23:02 |
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