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| chandankumar | strigazi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501231/ | 09:50 |
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| strigazi | chandankumar: +1 | 10:02 |
| strigazi | chandankumar was this the right channel? | 10:03 |
| chandankumar | strigazi: nope, i forgot to add it in containers-channel | 10:03 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 14:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| efried | \o | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | #link Meeting Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Let's wait a minute for more people to arrive | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | hola | 14:02 |
| * jaypipes caffeinated | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Lots merged last week | 14:03 |
| edleafe | 3 left that I know of: | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Granular Resource Request Syntax https://review.openstack.org/510244 | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Add spec for symmetric GET and PUT of allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Support traits in the Ironic driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507052/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Any comments on these? | 14:03 |
| efried | That first one I just added on Friday. It's introducing the numbered-group syntax in GET /allocation_candidates | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | I'll review each this morning. the symmetric one is a no brainer I think... | 14:04 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507052/ is approved, just won't merge because of the depends-on | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | the GRanular one was just submitted by efried on Friday. it's the one about requesting multiple distinct "subrequests" of resource/traits | 14:04 |
| cdent | there’s a mild issue in the symmetric one that I’ve just discovered while doing the implementation: | 14:04 |
| * bauzas waves | 14:05 | |
| cdent | when we GET there’s no project_id and user_id in the response, but we require that on the PUT. Do we care? | 14:05 |
| cdent | I’ll highlight it when I commit, and we can discuss it on the review. | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | cdent: probably should be made consistent... | 14:05 |
| cdent | an aspect of making it consistent is that it kind of assumes that they might stay the same, which may be too big of an assumption | 14:06 |
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| cdent | it’s easy to adjust whatever we decide | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | cdent: agreed | 14:07 |
| mriedem | getting the info about the current project/user is fine, | 14:07 |
| mriedem | doesn't mean the PUT has to be the same, but i don't know of case where they wouldn't be the same | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | #link Nested RP series starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470575/ | 14:08 |
| edleafe | There was one question attached to this in the agenda: | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Debate: should the root_provider_uuid be reported in the GET /resource_providers response? | 14:09 |
| efried | So my vote is yes. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Someone had concerns about this a while back - anyone remember why? | 14:09 |
| efried | edleafe Heh, jaypipes said it was you :) | 14:09 |
| edleafe | efried: yeah, I think he's mis-remembering | 14:09 |
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| jaypipes | very possible | 14:10 |
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| efried | Okay. My take is that I want to be able to look at a given RP and get the whole tree for that RP in one step. | 14:10 |
| efried | With parent but not root, I have to walk the whole tree up. | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | edleafe, efried: I can certainly add it back in if the group votes for that. not a difficult change at all. | 14:10 |
| efried | With the root ID, I can just call with ?tree=root and I'm done. | 14:10 |
| edleafe | makes sense to me | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | efried: well, you could also just do ?tree=<some_provider_uuid> and the backend can query on root. | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | efried: meaning there's no reason to expose the attribute. | 14:11 |
| efried | if it works that way, I'd be cool with that. But I still think there's reason to have the root. | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | like I said, I'm cool putting it in | 14:12 |
| efried | Thinking about the scheduler using it to figure out e.g. the compute host. | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | ack | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | ok, let's vote... | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | #vote expose the root | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | sounds kinky. | 14:12 |
| bauzas | startvote FTW | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Simpler: anyone opposed? | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | well, let's do it this way... does anyone NOT want to expose the root? | 14:13 |
| cdent | It was likely me that was opposed originally because it seemed an unecessary detail and I was trying to limit the growth of atributes in the representation | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: heh, jinks | 14:13 |
| edleafe | jinx | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | lol | 14:13 |
| bauzas | seriously? I dunno | 14:13 |
| cdent | but at this stage, given the extent of hairiness that nested is looking like it is going to become, I don’t reckon it matters | 14:13 |
| bauzas | use a coin ? | 14:13 |
| cdent | there’s going to be a lot of hair | 14:14 |
| cdent | so I’d say go for it | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: what say you? | 14:14 |
| bauzas | I don't think it hurts | 14:14 |
| edleafe | I don't hear anyone saying no, so... | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #agreed Add root provider uuid to GET /resource_providers | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | dansmith, mriedem: any thoughts? | 14:14 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I meant we should flip a coin | 14:14 |
| bauzas | for deciding | 14:14 |
| bauzas | but meh | 14:14 |
| dansmith | I'd have to read back | 14:15 |
| bauzas | just a stupid untranslatable and unbearable French try of joke | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: :) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything else on the nested RP series to discuss now? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | so we're talking about exposing something when we don't have a use case to use it? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | or a need to use it yet? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I think the spec is pretty rock solid | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: we have one approved spec that would use nested RPs | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no, there's definitely a use case for it. | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | oh, the root UUID ? | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | well, meh | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: it's something that *could* be derived by the caller though. in other words, it just makes life a little easier for the scheduler code. | 14:16 |
| bauzas | lemme say something terrible | 14:16 |
| bauzas | just pass a parameter for telling whether we should return it | 14:17 |
| bauzas | tadaaaaaaa | 14:17 |
| dansmith | um | 14:17 |
| bauzas | so, honestly, I don't care and like I said, it doesn't hurt | 14:17 |
| mriedem | given i don't have context on how the scheduler code is going to look with or without it, i can't really say | 14:17 |
| mriedem | if it makes the scheduler client code better, then sure, throw it in | 14:17 |
| bauzas | it's not a performance problem, right? | 14:18 |
| dansmith | I don't understand why we wouldn't if we have the data | 14:18 |
| bauzas | so, should we really care of that? | 14:18 |
| mriedem | yeah, the less rebuilding of the tree client-side is the way to go | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: no, nothing perf related | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | ok, it's settled then, let's move on. | 14:19 |
| efried | I'll update the review. | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | danke | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: again, anything else on the nested RP series to discuss now? | 14:19 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah I know, so honestly not a big deal if we leak it | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: just to note that I'm rebasing the n-r-p series on the no-orm-resource-providers HEAD | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: got it | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Next up: | 14:19 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to GET /allocation_candidates https://review.openstack.org/479776 | 14:19 |
| edleafe | alex_xu is back this week, so we should see some activity there | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | yea, i | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | 'm working on it | 14:20 |
| * alex_xu isn | 14:20 | |
| alex_xu | ... | 14:21 |
| alex_xu | new keyboard layout... | 14:21 |
| cdent | :) | 14:21 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: same thing with | 14:21 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to get RPs with shared https://review.openstack.org/478464/ | 14:21 |
| efried | Use a Dvorak keyboard. The ' is nowhere near the <Enter> key. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | ? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | i thought we were deferring shared support from queens? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | why bother with api changes? | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | because when we start working on what the client needs for that support, we might need to change the api | 14:23 |
| mriedem | or, is this totally not that and i should shut up? | 14:23 |
| * bauzas bbiab (kids) | 14:24 | |
| mriedem | yeah nevermind, this isn't what i thought it was | 14:24 |
| edleafe | moving on | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #link Allow _set_allocations to delete allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501051/ | 14:24 |
| edleafe | cdent: anything going on with that? | 14:25 |
| cdent | it’s just waiting for people to review it pretty much | 14:25 |
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| cdent | it’s a precursor to doing POST /allocations | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Good segueway | 14:26 |
| edleafe | #link WIP - POST /allocations for >1 consumer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500073/ | 14:26 |
| edleafe | next up | 14:26 |
| edleafe | #link Use ksa adapter for placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492247/ | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | efried: any comments on these? They look pretty straightforward to me | 14:27 |
| efried | The base of that series is getting final reviews from mriedem at this point. | 14:27 |
| efried | That patch itself should indeed be pretty straightforward. | 14:27 |
| efried | And the rest of the stuff in that series doesn't have anything to do with placement/scheduler. | 14:28 |
| mriedem | got the tab open | 14:28 |
| edleafe | next up | 14:28 |
| edleafe | #link Migration allocation fixes: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498950/ | 14:28 |
| edleafe | That series is moving along | 14:29 |
| edleafe | Final review on the agenda: | 14:29 |
| edleafe | #link Alternate hosts: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486215/ | 14:29 |
| edleafe | I have to add versioning to the allocation_request in the Selection object | 14:30 |
| edleafe | :( | 14:30 |
| mriedem | jesus does that bottom change still have the s/failure/error/ comment?! | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: what comment? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | nvm | 14:31 |
| edleafe | ok | 14:31 |
| edleafe | I also need suggestions for naming the parameter added to the select_destinations() RPC call | 14:32 |
| edleafe | This tells the scheduler to return the selection objects and alternates | 14:32 |
| edleafe | I called it 'modern_flag' as a placeholder | 14:32 |
| edleafe | let the bikeshedding begin! | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | Please add your thoughts to the review | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Moving on | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | 2 new ones: | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #link placement server needs to retry allocations, server-side https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1719933 | 14:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719933 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement server needs to retry allocations, server-side" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Jay Pipes (jaypipes) | 14:33 |
| edleafe | This was uncovered by mriedem trying to start 1000 servers at once | 14:34 |
| mriedem | which wouldn't have fixed the ultimately reason why i was hitting that, but yeah | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, I'm on that | 14:34 |
| mriedem | *ultimate | 14:34 |
| edleafe | cool | 14:34 |
| edleafe | The other is: | 14:34 |
| edleafe | #link Evacuate cleanup fails at _delete_allocation_for_moved_instance https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1721652 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1721652 in OpenStack Compute (nova) pike "Evacuate cleanup fails at _delete_allocation_for_moved_instance" [High,Confirmed] | 14:34 |
| mriedem | gibi has started a recreate for ^ | 14:34 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510176/ | 14:35 |
| edleafe | #link Functional test for bug 1721652https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510176/ | 14:36 |
| openstack | bug 1721652 in OpenStack Compute (nova) pike "Evacuate cleanup fails at _delete_allocation_for_moved_instance" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721652 | 14:36 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:36 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510176/ | 14:36 |
| edleafe | #link Functional test for bug 1721652 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510176/ | 14:36 |
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| edleafe | Anything else for bugs? | 14:37 |
| * cdent watches the pretty tumbleweeds | 14:38 | |
| mriedem | mr gorbachev, tear down this meeting | 14:38 |
| edleafe | nope | 14:38 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | Getting allocations into virt (e.g. new param to spawn). Some discussion here: | 14:38 |
| edleafe | #link Getting allocations into virt http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-10-04.log.html#t2017-10-04T13:49:18-2 | 14:38 |
| edleafe | efried: wanna lead this? | 14:39 |
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| efried | Some alternatives that were (briefly) discussed: | 14:40 |
| efried | Adding allocations to the request spec | 14:40 |
| efried | Or elsewhere in the instance object. | 14:40 |
| efried | IIRC, those were rejected because of general resistance to glomming more gorp onto those things. | 14:40 |
| edleafe | Yeah, glomming gorp is bad | 14:41 |
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| efried | The drive for this is for virt to be able to understand comprehensively what has been requested of it. | 14:41 |
| mriedem | right now it's just going to be passing shit through flavor extra specs isn't it? | 14:41 |
| mriedem | unless we change that? | 14:42 |
| efried | Which is limited | 14:42 |
| mriedem | doesn't alex_xu have a spec for specifying traits in a flavor | 14:42 |
| efried | yes | 14:42 |
| edleafe | efried: so you want something more spectific, no? | 14:43 |
| mriedem | we agreed to limited support for stuff like vgpus in queens | 14:43 |
| alex_xu | I guess efried is talking about specific resource allocated to the instance? | 14:43 |
| mriedem | what are you needing? like a complex data structure? | 14:43 |
| edleafe | E.g., not just a VF, but a VF on a particular PF? | 14:43 |
| efried | Right; flavor extra specs tells us what was requested generically; the allocations will tell us specific RPs etc. | 14:43 |
| efried | edleafe just so. | 14:43 |
| efried | mriedem Not any more complex than the allocations object :) | 14:44 |
| mriedem | so, as a user, i want not only a VF, but the 3rd VF on 4th PF? | 14:44 |
| * edleafe remembers when we were making clouds... | 14:44 | |
| efried | mriedem Or possibly just "a VF on the 4th PF". But yeah, that's the general idea. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | ew | 14:44 |
| efried | Because placement is going to have allocated inventory out of a specific RP. | 14:44 |
| mriedem | do we need this for queens? | 14:44 |
| efried | If spawn doesn't have any way to know which one, how does it know where to take the VF from? | 14:45 |
| mriedem | it's random isn't it? | 14:45 |
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| efried | What's random? | 14:45 |
| mriedem | the PF | 14:45 |
| efried | Certainly not which PF the VF comes from. | 14:45 |
| efried | No, not at all. | 14:45 |
| mriedem | or is that all whitelist magic? | 14:45 |
| efried | Could be based on traits, inventory, etc. | 14:45 |
| efried | Not even thinking about whitelist. | 14:45 |
| efried | Placement narrowed it down, scheduler picked one. Virt needs to know which one. | 14:46 |
| mriedem | can't virt ask placement for the one that was picked? | 14:46 |
| efried | Yes, could. | 14:46 |
| efried | But I got the impression we didn't want virt to talk to placement. | 14:47 |
| mriedem | it already does for reporting inventory | 14:47 |
| efried | bauzas and dansmith both expressed that | 14:47 |
| efried | Not directly | 14:47 |
| mriedem | virt == compute service == contains the rt that reports inventory | 14:47 |
| mriedem | in my head anyway | 14:47 |
| dansmith | virt != compute service:) | 14:48 |
| efried | "virt driver" then. | 14:48 |
| dansmith | virt should not talk directly to placement, IMHO | 14:48 |
| dansmith | compute should | 14:48 |
| mriedem | ok, | 14:48 |
| mriedem | so compute manager asks placement for the allocations for a given request, | 14:48 |
| mriedem | builds those into some fancy pants object, | 14:48 |
| mriedem | and passes that to the virt drive | 14:48 |
| mriedem | *driver | 14:48 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:48 |
| efried | Didn't scheduler already give that allocations object to compute manager? | 14:49 |
| dansmith | compute should provide the allocations to virt when needed, yeah | 14:49 |
| mriedem | just like the neutron network API asks neutron for ports, builds network_info and passes that to spawn | 14:49 |
| mriedem | efried: no | 14:49 |
| efried | So it'll have to ask placement for that allocations object. Okay. | 14:49 |
| mriedem | so this essentially sounds like the same thing we do for bdms and ports | 14:49 |
| mriedem | so in _build_resources you yield another new thing | 14:50 |
| mriedem | and pass that to driver.spawn | 14:50 |
| efried | And yeah, I guess we could funnel it into a pythonic nova object (which may eventually be an os-placement object) | 14:50 |
| efried | right | 14:50 |
| mriedem | oo we're already talking about new libraries?! | 14:50 |
| mriedem | :P | 14:50 |
| efried | When we split placement out into its own thing? | 14:50 |
| efried | Sorry, don't mean to muddy the waters. | 14:50 |
| mriedem | ok so in the Slime release... | 14:51 |
| mriedem | anyway, i think you get the general idea of what the compute would do yeah/ | 14:51 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:51 |
| efried | You're saying this isn't something we want to do in Queens? | 14:52 |
| mriedem | is there a specific bp that is going to need this? | 14:52 |
| mriedem | there are things we can want to do, and things we can actually get done | 14:52 |
| efried | Well, I don't see how e.g. the vGPU thing is going to work without it. | 14:52 |
| mriedem | i'm trying to figure out what we actually need to get done so we can focus on those first | 14:52 |
| efried | Unless we bridge the gap by having the virt driver ask placement for the allocations. | 14:52 |
| mriedem | is there any poc up yet for that? | 14:53 |
| mriedem | maybe the xen team hasn't gotten that far? | 14:53 |
| efried | For vGPU? | 14:53 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:53 |
| dansmith | bauzas was going to be working on this | 14:53 |
| mriedem | anyway, maybe it will be needed, but i'd check with the other people working on this too | 14:53 |
| efried | Wasn't there a big stack with mdev in libvirt? | 14:53 |
| dansmith | providing the allocation to virt so we could do that | 14:53 |
| dansmith | however, | 14:53 |
| mriedem | the totally separate effort? | 14:53 |
| dansmith | we can use the flavor for right now and move on | 14:54 |
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| efried | dansmith And accept that the virt driver may pick a different PF than that from which placement allocated the inventory? | 14:54 |
| efried | And have the virt driver duplicate the logic to check for traits? | 14:54 |
| dansmith | efried: placement isn't picking PFs right now | 14:54 |
| mriedem | efried: so how about you follow up with the xen team and see what they had in mind for this, | 14:54 |
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| efried | placement is picking specific RPs. Depending how the RPs are modeled, those could be PFs. Just using PFs as a general example. | 14:55 |
| dansmith | efried: it's just picking "has a vgpu" which means virt can easily grab the first free one and do that thing | 14:55 |
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| efried | Unless traits. | 14:55 |
| dansmith | efried: we don't have nrps, which means it's not picking traits | 14:55 |
| dansmith | er, picking PFs, | 14:56 |
| efried | All of that is landing in Queens, early. | 14:56 |
| efried | at least in theory. | 14:56 |
| dansmith | but also means no multiples, so traits are irrelevant | 14:56 |
| efried | Also hopefully landing in Queens. | 14:56 |
| * bauzas is back | 14:56 | |
| dansmith | efried: yeah, in theory and we're working on it, but we can easily land a flavor-based thing right now and have that as a backup if we don't get NRPs or something else blocks us | 14:56 |
| dansmith | it's trivial | 14:56 |
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| edleafe | 3 minutes to go | 14:57 |
| efried | Let me ask it this way: does putting allocations in a spawn param need a blueprint? | 14:57 |
| dansmith | if we linearize everything, something is definitely going to miss queens | 14:57 |
| dansmith | efried: not IMHO | 14:57 |
| efried | Cool. Then if someone gets the bandwidth to propose a patch, and it doesn't seem too heinous, it could happen. | 14:58 |
| dansmith | efried: the thing I'm worried about is that if we go the allocation route, | 14:58 |
| dansmith | you have to build a big matrix of rp_uuids to actual devices and figure out how to do all that accounting before you can do the basic thing | 14:58 |
| dansmith | however, if we just assume one set of identical gpus per node with flavor right now, | 14:58 |
| dansmith | you can get basic support in place | 14:58 |
| dansmith | if we rabbit-hole on this after NRPs are done, we could likely miss queens and bauzas will be taken to the gallows | 14:59 |
| efried | dansmith Sure, fair point. That matrix of RP UUIDs to devices is something that's going to have to happen. | 14:59 |
| dansmith | efried: totes | 14:59 |
| dansmith | efried: but let's not hamstring any sort of support on that when we can do the easy thing right now | 14:59 |
| efried | Sure | 14:59 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! Continue the discussion in -nova | 15:00 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 15:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-09-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-09-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-09-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 20:00:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | hi alee | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | just you and me so far | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 20:18:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-10-09-20.00.html | 20:18 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-10-09-20.00.txt | 20:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-10-09-20.00.log.html | 20:18 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 21:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| leong | #topic Rollcall | 21:00 |
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| leong | hi.. anyone here for product team meeting? | 21:01 |
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| MeganR | Hi | 21:01 |
| leong | hi MeganR | 21:01 |
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| leong | hi rockyg | 21:01 |
| leong | let's wait for a few more mins.. so far i have MeganR, rockyg and myself | 21:02 |
| leong | Shamail is off today | 21:02 |
| rockyg | Hey! | 21:03 |
| MeganR | good for Shamail - nice to know someone is off, rather than the kiddos! | 21:03 |
| leong | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:04 |
| leong | the above link is today agenda | 21:04 |
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| leong | looks like very quite today... | 21:05 |
| leong | rockyg: any plan for the sydney summit? | 21:06 |
| rockyg | Still not sure whether I'll be there or not. Need to talk to my management this week.... | 21:07 |
| rockyg | right now I'm fighting a cold, so right now, I'd rather not be there.... | 21:08 |
| leong | ok.. i presume that there will be very less people at Sydney... | 21:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:08 |
| leong | hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:08 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: do you have any update/follow-up from the midcycle action items? | 21:08 |
| leong | #topic Follow up virtual midcycle action item | 21:09 |
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| leong | #link PWG midcyle :https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VIR-pwg-meetup-2017q3 | 21:09 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have responses from Meta team on 3 suggestions from us | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | Hi all - sorry I'm late. | 21:09 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | first they do no thvae a process in SIGs yest on tracking and creating requirements. | 21:10 |
| leong | hi pchadwick | 21:11 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: looks like the meta-sig is open to adopt the PWG process | 21:11 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | this, we can propose our method for maintaining features/development requirements proposals | 21:12 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: sounds good to me | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | second, they like idea idea about a single place to drive feature/requirement proposal for all SIGs/WGs so they are visible to all other SIGs and WGs. | 21:12 |
| leong | we should convey that message at the META SIG at Sydney Forum | 21:12 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: would you be at Sydney? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But we will need to write and present it to them, | 21:13 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Yes, I will be at sydney. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For #3 - 3.For the requirements that are driven by the SIG do you have a process defined on how to track progress and success? | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | This is too far down their current list of things to do. | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | SO I propose we consolidtaed our thinking into presentation proposals and present #1, and @ to them. | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | @ -> #2 | 21:15 |
| leong | i think we should have the material for (1) and (2) | 21:15 |
| leong | can we present the "PWG worklofw" for (1) | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think so. DO you know where we have it? | 21:15 |
| leong | and show our git repo for (2) | 21:15 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | will be happy to present it at sydney if somebody helps me to create presentation. | 21:16 |
| leong | this? --> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/Development_Proposals#Development_Proposal_Workflow | 21:16 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can talk to Melvin and Thierry to get me on agenda for SIG. | 21:16 |
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| leong | Shamail might have an existing decks to present/show the workflow | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have the wiki part, bud do we have presentation that we can update for sydney? | 21:17 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: can you ping shamail, i think he has a slide deck for that | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will do it now. | 21:18 |
| leong | #action Arkady_Kanevsky to check with shamail on any slidedecsk to present/explain PWG workflow | 21:18 |
| leong | #topic Sydney Plan | 21:19 |
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| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: wondering if can also co-lead the Working Session and BoF | 21:19 |
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| rockyg | Agreed. There was a preso. Should just need updating. Also, Should take a look at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mf8OAyTzZxCKzYHMgBl-QK_2-XSycSkOjqCyMTIedkA/edit#gid=0 | 21:19 |
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| rockyg | That google spreadsheet was generated by the public cloud group. So, a way to collect the info and then we should demo how to move it to proposals... | 21:20 |
| leong | that's a long list :) | 21:22 |
| leong | some of them seems like a bug, though many can be converted to a Dev Proposal | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Uh, yeah. ;-) | 21:22 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can do these. Do you have time for them? Do I need to add my name to the agenda for them? | 21:22 |
| leong | rockyg: would you be able to be the "PWG liason" to Public Cloud ? | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Maybe we can use spreadsheets like this to get other sigs to identify gaps | 21:23 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: i will send an email to Foundation to add your name to the Summit Schedule | 21:23 |
| rockyg | And, yeah. I think I can. | 21:23 |
| leong | rockyg: cool | 21:23 |
| leong | #agreed: rockyg will be the PWG liason for Public Cloud | 21:23 |
| leong | there is a Forum session proposed for Public Cloud gaps: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/28 | 21:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we have similar gap analysis spreadsheets for other SIGs? | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do oyu have a pointer to Prodct WG session, and BOF for summit? | 21:25 |
| leong | there seems to have few more SIG "forming"... | 21:25 |
| leong | would be best to communicate with "META" SIG so that such "process" can be channeled down to newly form SIG | 21:26 |
| leong | and existing SIG | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_SIGs | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. let me send email to META SIG for 2 agenda items for sydney. | 21:26 |
| leong | thansk Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:27 |
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| leong | btw, i still have the AR to prepare for voice/dial-in bridge for Sydney remote participation | 21:31 |
| leong | does anyone here has a zoom account? | 21:31 |
| leong | or i can reach out to Melvin... :-) | 21:31 |
| MeganR | sorry, no Zoom acct. | 21:32 |
| rockyg | I've got zoom | 21:32 |
| rockyg | as does melvin | 21:32 |
| rockyg | might be able to get an ATT bridge, too. | 21:33 |
| leong | rockyg: can you create a zoom session? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | email to META sig sent | 21:33 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: thanks | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | email to email to shamail for workflow presentation sent also | 21:34 |
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| leong | rockyg: PWG Working Session is on Tuesday, November 7, 10:50am-11:30am (Sydney timezone) | 21:34 |
| leong | #link PWG Working Session: https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20411/product-working-group-wg | 21:34 |
| rockyg | OK. I'll see if I can reserve and post.... | 21:35 |
| rockyg | After I'm back on the corporate network. I'll send out to leong and maybe you can add the info to the description of the session? | 21:36 |
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| leong | rockyg: thanks very much | 21:37 |
| leong | anything else we want to discuss about Sydney? | 21:38 |
| leong | #topic Open | 21:39 |
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| leong | anyone has open? | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We need to review progress of midcycle in Sydney | 21:39 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we have BOF schedule for sydney? | 21:40 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: yes | 21:40 |
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| leong | #link BoF: https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20412/product-working-group-bof | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | perfect. thanks. Let me add it to my calendar | 21:40 |
| leong | cool | 21:42 |
| leong | anything else for today? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | none from me | 21:43 |
| rockyg | nope | 21:43 |
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| leong | ok.. thanks everyone for attending... | 21:43 |
| leong | have a great week ahead! | 21:43 |
| rockyg | Have a good week! | 21:43 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | have a good day all | 21:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 21:44:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-09-21.00.html | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-09-21.00.txt | 21:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-09-21.00.log.html | 21:44 |
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| jeblair | any zuul caretakers around? | 22:01 |
| jeblair | (that's certainly what i've felt like the past week) | 22:01 |
| fungi | er, yeah | 22:01 |
| Shrews | o/ | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | mordred told me he'd probably be late today | 22:01 |
| fungi | better than zuul undertakers, i guess ;) | 22:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 22:02 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, clarkb, ianw: around? | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 9 22:03:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | this is, i hope, going to be the last openstack-infra heavy meeting for a while | 22:03 |
| jeblair | i'd like to use most of the time to assess where we are on blockers for the infra rollback, and whether we can move forward | 22:04 |
| jeblair | then, hopefully next week we can shift this meeting back to being about zuul in the abstract | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link zuulv3 infra rollout issues: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-issues | 22:04 |
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| fungi | modulo that deadlock you found today, seems to be performing waaaaay better | 22:05 |
| jeblair | ya | 22:05 |
| jeblair | i *had* hoped to have this all sorted out by the meeting, but other things came up | 22:05 |
| jeblair | but skimming the outstanding debug list -- i think the only serious issues still outstanding are the nodepool issue Shrews has a fix for, and the git deadlock issue i have a fix for | 22:06 |
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| fungi | do we (openstack infra team) feel okay switching back to production running on a gitpython fork? | 22:06 |
| Shrews | jeblair: does the git deadlock issue explain the backup today? | 22:06 |
| jeblair | yeah, that's something that's worth discussing | 22:06 |
| jeblair | Shrews: which backup? :) | 22:07 |
| Shrews | i'm still not sure why we end up with thousands of requests at times | 22:07 |
| Shrews | just a capacity thing? | 22:07 |
| jeblair | Shrews: oh, i expect we have thousands of requests because we have thousands of jobs waiting on nodes because we only have a portion of our capacity supplying v3 | 22:07 |
| jeblair | Shrews: i think fungi said there were 1100 *changes* total in queues | 22:08 |
| fungi | that was many hours ago too | 22:08 |
| jeblair | Shrews: which could easily mean 10,000 requests | 22:08 |
| Shrews | jeblair: ok, that sort of lines up with 6000+ requests i saw this morning | 22:08 |
| jeblair | Shrews: as long as there was movement at all, the git stuff probably wasn't related. the thing i saw today only blocked one build | 22:09 |
| jeblair | however, the git bug can, fairly easily, stop the entire system | 22:09 |
| jeblair | a single instance of it can stop the gate pipeline altogether, and a few more instances can leave us with no operating mergers | 22:10 |
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| fungi | as for job-specific problems, it's seemed to me like we're at the point where we're addressing them almost as soon as they're identified (for the ones i've added to the pad, i've usually already had a fix in mind if not in fact pushed into gerrit yet) | 22:11 |
| jeblair | so if we don't run with a fix for the git bug in place (in whatever form that fix takes), or we switch back to v3 before the fix is in place, then we need to consider ourselves on-call to find and kill any stuck git processes | 22:11 |
| fungi | granted, when we roll forward again, the reporting rate for broken jobs will pick up substantially | 22:11 |
| fungi | jeblair: for the record, i'm cool with running on a gitpython fork (apparently master plus your pr at this point) until they get a fix in master for that, and then switch to the latest release as soon as they tag one | 22:12 |
| fungi | i just figured we should acknowledge that's what's going on if we decide to | 22:13 |
| jeblair | i think i'm inclined to suggest that i polish https://review.openstack.org/509517 so it passes tests and then we run with my gitpython fork and https://review.openstack.org/509517 locally applied | 22:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: ya. i don't like it, but i think it's the least worst option, and hopefully very temporary. | 22:13 |
| Shrews | i, too, am fine with that. and since this is starting to seem like a meeting of 3, i think all votes are in | 22:13 |
| fungi | and probably goes without saying we shouldn't officially release zuul 3.0.0 with a dep on forked gitpython | 22:13 |
| jeblair | and believe me -- i considered monkeypatching. :) | 22:13 |
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| fungi | so best to hold the release until there's a fixed gitpython we can list as our minimum | 22:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: ya. in a similar vein, we need a github3.py release too. | 22:14 |
| jeblair | i'm happy to hold the line on both of those. | 22:14 |
| fungi | good point. i had forgotten about that one | 22:14 |
| jeblair | Shrews, fungi: cool. it's unanimous then. :) i'll have that running before i go to bed tonight. :) | 22:15 |
| fungi | Shrews: mrhillsman is here too! | 22:15 |
| fungi | so meeting of four ;) | 22:15 |
| jeblair | oh i really hope mrhillsman votes for our crazy plan :) | 22:15 |
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| mrhillsman | hehe | 22:15 |
| mrhillsman | not sure my vote has any merit | 22:15 |
| ianw | o/ (but a bit behind, so just lurking :) | 22:16 |
| fungi | we _consider_ all opinions in here ;) | 22:16 |
| mrhillsman | i'm really looking forward to v3 since it is the underpinning of our openlab efforts | 22:16 |
| jeblair | as for the nodepool issue -- as long as that's landed before we restart launchers, we should be fine (it's a bug in launcher restart), so i don't think we need to fret too much over that; i imagine we can get it landed before it creeps up again. | 22:16 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: ++ (and sorry i haven't been able to jump in as much; hopefully we'll be done fighting fires soon!) | 22:17 |
| mrhillsman | so far my small little setup is "working" just have not got a job running yet so working on that | 22:17 |
| Shrews | jeblair: i don't think it's limited to restart | 22:17 |
| jeblair | Shrews: true; i guess that's when it's most likely to appear though | 22:18 |
| Shrews | yeah | 22:18 |
| jeblair | fungi: so yeah, it looks like there are a few thing still in the jobs section | 22:18 |
| jeblair | are any of those blockers? | 22:19 |
| fungi | maybe the unbound setup issue | 22:19 |
| jeblair | i'm guessing dmsimard is on holiday today too | 22:20 |
| jeblair | i guess without that, our rax random error rate will go up? | 22:20 |
| fungi | yeah | 22:20 |
| fungi | yeah, i mean my guess is that many (most) of the lingering items in the jobs list are probably already fixed and we just need to circle back around to confirm | 22:21 |
| jeblair | what's propose-updates? | 22:21 |
| ianw | i can looking into the unbound thing, since i did a bit of ansible around the mirror setup | 22:21 |
| jeblair | ianw: cool, thanks -- dmsimard has his name next to that on the etherpad, so be sure to let him know what you find/do with that for when he gets back | 22:22 |
| ianw | how about "i will"; i'll put any updates into the etherpad | 22:22 |
| ianw | ++ :) | 22:22 |
| fungi | jeblair: good question about the "propose-updates" job. that's so surprisingly vague i can't even figure out from the log what it's supposed to be doing yet | 22:23 |
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| jeblair | unbound is the only thing there that doesn't have a fix next to it that i would consider a potentially big enough problem to be a blocker. infra-index updating is something we can fix at our leisure, for instance. | 22:23 |
| fungi | yeah, i mentioned the unbound configuration because it potentially impacts all jobs in the system | 22:24 |
| fungi | whereas the rest of these look like they could be dealt with in isolation | 22:24 |
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| fungi | also i think the playbook that job mentions no longer exists? | 22:25 |
| jeblair | that would be a problem :) | 22:26 |
| jeblair | overall, i'd say we're *almost* ready to switch back, and have a pretty legit chance of being *actually* ready by tomorrow morning. i think we're close enough we can consider flipping the switch as early as tomorrow morning. | 22:26 |
| fungi | git.openstack.org/openstack-infra/project-config/playbooks/proposal/propose-updates | 22:26 |
| fungi | i don't see it at all | 22:26 |
| jeblair | should we do that? or should we give more lead time for an announcement, etc? | 22:26 |
| fungi | no, i'm just blind. it's there | 22:26 |
| Shrews | jeblair: fungi: should we consider adding a subset of projects first, rather than a total switch? or is it easier to just do them all at once? | 22:27 |
| jeblair | Shrews: it's really hard to do anything other than all at once | 22:27 |
| fungi | Shrews: i think it's been tough enough to run with the minimal split we've got | 22:27 |
| Shrews | *nod* | 22:27 |
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| fungi | i'm on board with announcing a date/time, but consider <24h to mean a lot of people could be surprised (many will be surprised anyway, but at least 24 hours gives people around the globe a chance to read it) | 22:29 |
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| fungi | also it's meeting day for the infra team | 22:29 |
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| fungi | we could shoot for something like 16:00z wednesday? (is that too early, or not early enough for you?) | 22:30 |
| jeblair | yeah, i normally like longer lead-times; but considering the sort of extended-maintenance + partial-rollback state we're in, i figure anything's on the table. :) | 22:30 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:30 |
| pabelanger | sorry I am late | 22:30 |
| fungi | too far into the week, and i agree we risk not having enough opportunity to spot issues before the weekend | 22:30 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think we should do the switch as soon as you or pabelanger or mordred are online | 22:31 |
| fungi | the earlier the better. cool | 22:31 |
| jeblair | i'm online at 14:00 | 22:31 |
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| pabelanger | I'll be online first thing too | 22:32 |
| jeblair | i think the ideal is for us to make the switch before (or as close to 'before' as possible) the US-time surge | 22:32 |
| fungi | pabelanger: mordred: are you around wednesday morning? | 22:32 |
| pabelanger | fungi: yes | 22:32 |
| jeblair | i figure actually executing the switch may take 30 to 60 or.. idunno, maybe even more minutes. | 22:32 |
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| fungi | i can be up pretty early, though we're talking 11:00z if we want to catch the start of the morning ramp-up | 22:33 |
| jeblair | so if you get started first thing, i probably won't actually miss much. | 22:33 |
| pabelanger | Sure | 22:33 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-cutover | 22:34 |
| fungi | that still the steps we want? | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | looking | 22:34 |
| jeblair | fungi: we probably need to refresh some changes there | 22:35 |
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| fungi | sure | 22:35 |
| jeblair | fungi: let's ask mordred to do that tomorrow, and make sure we have changes staged and steps written down for wed morning | 22:35 |
| fungi | prepping those should probably be a top priority for at least a couple of us tomorrow | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | do we want to keep infra-check / infra-gate for a few more days or revert that change too? | 22:35 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i say drop 'em | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | ack | 22:36 |
| fungi | agreed | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | nodepool back to nodepool-launchers should be straightforward too | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | exciting | 22:36 |
| jeblair | #agreed zuulv3 cutover wed 11 oct at 11:00 utc | 22:37 |
| jeblair | ^ that look right? | 22:37 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:37 |
| mnaser | can i suggest keeping infra-check and infra-gate | 22:37 |
| mnaser | at least for the first week after the cutover | 22:37 |
| mnaser | it's really useful having a high priority queue to get project-config in quickly | 22:38 |
| jeblair | #action mordred stage and document rollback steps | 22:38 |
| mnaser | project-config changes* | 22:38 |
| jeblair | mnaser: that's true, but with the stabilization we've done over the past week, will it be as necessary? | 22:38 |
| fungi | mnaser makes a good point... the number of fixes to legacy jobs are likely to shoot back up | 22:38 |
| mnaser | jeblair in the high volume we deal with of jobs, sometimes i see xenial jobs taking almost an hour to get a node | 22:39 |
| * jeblair asks mnaser to predict future :) | 22:39 | |
| fungi | and "stabilization" (under v2 at least) is often an hour or two to get check results | 22:39 |
| fungi | when we're pressed for capacity | 22:39 |
| fungi | infra-gate is less necessary, but infra-check may be useful | 22:40 |
| jeblair | okay, i could be convinced to keep it for just project-config | 22:40 |
| jeblair | yeah, infra-gate probably wouldn't actually get us anything. but check would make a difference. | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | okay, so maybe keep infra-check for a few more days, remove infra-gate | 22:41 |
| jeblair | (this is also actually a good use for multi-tenancy, but i don't want to muddy things too much right now) | 22:41 |
| mnaser | :> | 22:42 |
| pabelanger | looking forward to test that too :) | 22:42 |
| fungi | yep, if we keep infra-check around temporarily, i think we make a judgment call at some point where the volume of project-config changes has dropped off significantly and fold it back into normal check then | 22:42 |
| pabelanger | okay, we likely can merge that right away too | 22:43 |
| fungi | but i guess we move zuul, nodepool, openstack-zuul-jobs and zuul-jobs repos back to normal check | 22:43 |
| fungi | so that infra-check is just for project-config changes? | 22:43 |
| jeblair | regarding zuul-jobs and openstack-zuul-jobs -- we *could* also put them in infra-check, however, depends-on works for those, so they don't *need* to block changes. though it may be convenient so we don't have to use depends-on as much. | 22:44 |
| jeblair | my inclination would be only to use infra-check for project-config | 22:44 |
| jeblair | and rely on depends-on for the others | 22:44 |
| fungi | i figure with the others, we still have the option to punt a change straight to the gate pipeline when urgent | 22:44 |
| jeblair | (i don't like being a special case) | 22:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's true too | 22:44 |
| fungi | as long as there's an infra-root around to make that exception | 22:44 |
| jeblair | #agreed keep infra-check for project-config only (other repos move back to regular check/gate). remove infra-gate completely. | 22:45 |
| jeblair | look good ^? | 22:45 |
| fungi | we're already a special case insofar as project-config is the point of coordination for all this, so makes sense to just acknowledge that for now | 22:45 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm good with that | 22:45 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, it's a config-project, so it really is special :) | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | project-config wfm | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | (sorry internets also slow and spotty right now) | 22:46 |
| fungi | project-config knows it's special 'cause its momma told it so | 22:46 |
| jeblair | since we're expecting reports of broken jobs to increase again, i suggest we copy all the cruft from the zuulv3-issues etherpad to a backup, and continue to use zuulv3-issues to track new job and/or zuul bugs | 22:47 |
| fungi | that also makes sense. i can do that now... want me to do a proper copy with the etherpad api, or just copy/paste content? | 22:47 |
| fungi | or wait until we're ready to do the cutover? | 22:48 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think copy/paste content -- we still have the history on the main page if we have any questions. | 22:48 |
| fungi | sounds good | 22:48 |
| pabelanger | wfm | 22:48 |
| mnaser | just a small suggestion: it'd be useful to split zuul issues such as functionality and job issues .. i would really want to help out fix jobs but i have no idea how to fix zuul things | 22:48 |
| jeblair | #agreed clear cruft off of zuulv3-issues etherpad and continue using it to track new issues after roll-forward | 22:48 |
| fungi | i guess we should give ourselves some time tomorrow to quiesce the etherpad | 22:49 |
| jeblair | mnaser: we sort of have that, but we can make it clearer | 22:49 |
| fungi | yeah, cleanup | 22:49 |
| jeblair | the "debugging" section ended up being the "zuul issues" for the most part | 22:49 |
| jeblair | but yeah, let's make sure we have "fixed" "job issues" "zuul issues" "un-triaged" sections | 22:50 |
| fungi | yeah, in many (particularly early) cases, it was hard to tell whether a job was broken due to misconfiguration or due to a zuul bug | 22:50 |
| fungi | but i expect it will be a lot more straightforward to figure out most of them now | 22:50 |
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| jeblair | and if not, use the triage section for that. we should just move things out of there quickly after triage. | 22:51 |
| jeblair | to make the most of this >24h lead time, we should send an announcement now, yeah? shall i send that out? | 22:52 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 22:52 |
| pabelanger | I didn't see in backscroll, and may have missed it. But have we restarted zuul-executors recently? Want to make sure we have ABORTED patch in place before we go live again | 22:53 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think that happened over the wknd | 22:53 |
| pabelanger | okay great | 22:54 |
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| fungi | jeblair: i'm in favor of an announcement as early as we can provide one. happy to send it if you have other things you'd prefer to work on | 22:54 |
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| fungi | kast restarted october 7 for ze01 | 22:55 |
| fungi | s/kast/last/ | 22:55 |
| jeblair | fungi: i'm going to take you up on that offer and let you send it out then. :) | 22:55 |
| fungi | i'll get to work on that now | 22:55 |
| jeblair | i'll do the git thing and review the nodepool change | 22:55 |
| fungi | thanks! | 22:55 |
| jeblair | thank you! | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | fungi: great, oct 6 was commit | 22:56 |
| jeblair | anything else, or should we wrap this up? | 22:56 |
| fungi | pabelanger: note i didn't check any other executors, just ze01 | 22:56 |
| fungi | i have nothing else | 22:56 |
| pabelanger | nothing here | 22:56 |
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| jeblair | thanks! | 22:58 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 9 22:58:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-10-09-22.03.html | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-10-09-22.03.txt | 22:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-10-09-22.03.log.html | 22:58 |
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