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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 16 14:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| efried | 8/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's around? | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | efried: is that a man bun on your head? | 14:00 |
| efried | Aw hail no. | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| edleafe | #link Granular Resource Request Syntax https://review.openstack.org/510244 | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Still some debate on this. efried, want to comment? | 14:02 |
| efried | I don't think there's a lot of debate, really. | 14:02 |
| * alex_xu waves late | 14:02 | |
| cdent | the solution appears to be agreed upon, what’s not clear is if the problem is. | 14:02 |
| efried | A couple of reviewers had a question about whether numeric suffixes are The Right Thing or if we should do something fancier. | 14:02 |
| efried | Me, I'm not sure if anything fancier adds any value. | 14:03 |
| cdent | ditto | 14:03 |
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| efried | cdent You're saying the problem is not well defined? | 14:03 |
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| cdent | efried: no you did a good job, it just felt like a lot of the commentary was on the the details of the explanation, rather than on the actual solution | 14:04 |
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| efried | Yeah, I get myself in trouble expressing things other than in real python or API syntax. | 14:05 |
| cdent | efried: in a roundabout way I’m saying: we can probably move this one along as the solution applies regardless of the details | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Perhaps getting a few more eyes on that will help speed things up | 14:05 |
| efried | Okay. I posted a new rev half an hour ago addressing comments from stephenfin, dansmith, and alex_xu. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | I only had one other spec on the agenda: | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link Add spec for symmetric GET and PUT of allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/ | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Need some +2s on this | 14:06 |
| edleafe | But looks good | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Any other specs to discuss? Spec freeze is this coming Thursday | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:07 | |
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| edleafe | #link Nested RP series starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470575/ | 14:07 |
| edleafe | Jay is AWOL | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | Does anyone feel confident enough to take this on while he's on holiday? | 14:08 |
| efried | The first three have no -1s | 14:08 |
| efried | So not necessarily needing further deltas. | 14:09 |
| mriedem | what's going on with the de-orm changes at the end of the series? | 14:09 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509908/3 | 14:09 |
| edleafe | I personally haven't looked over them in a while as Jay was re-working some things | 14:09 |
| efried | mriedem Looks to me like a fork in the series. | 14:10 |
| cdent | mriedem: I think there’s a bit of weird rebasing going on: I think jay injected some of the nested stuff into the middle of the de-orm stack | 14:10 |
| edleafe | The de-orm stuff looked straightforward enough | 14:10 |
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| efried | or that | 14:10 |
| edleafe | It was supposed to be before the NRP stuff | 14:10 |
| edleafe | looks like some was moved before, and the rest left at thened | 14:11 |
| cdent | yeah | 14:11 |
| edleafe | the end | 14:11 |
| mriedem | ok the 4 at the end are all de-orm for traits stuff, | 14:11 |
| mriedem | which i guess doesn't have an immediate impact on the NRP stuff correct? | 14:11 |
| dansmith | I think those aren't required for RPs either, | 14:11 |
| edleafe | ah, ok | 14:11 |
| dansmith | he hooked in the NRP set mid-way through the de-ORMing where it could be done | 14:11 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:11 |
| * edleafe keeps reading that as "de-worming" | 14:12 | |
| efried | So core reviews on the first three NRP patches? | 14:12 |
| efried | And see if Jay's back by then? :) | 14:12 |
| efried | I will volunteer to try fixups as necessary. | 14:13 |
| mriedem | sounds like a plan | 14:13 |
| edleafe | I'd like to at least point out that it is a fragile strategy to have a critical part of the development of a project in the brain of just one developer | 14:13 |
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| efried | Though willingness:capability ratio may be lopsided. | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #link https://blog.leafe.com/pair-development/ | 14:13 |
| edleafe | This has happened to us before, and is happening again here | 14:13 |
| efried | I don't think we're in a place where nobody else *could* pick it up. | 14:14 |
| edleafe | efried: I'm not saying that | 14:14 |
| mriedem | then what are you saying? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | wait for jay to get back? | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Any of us could | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i couldn't | 14:14 |
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| cdent | I believe edleafe is saying that it would be better if we shared brains sooner in the process? | 14:15 |
| efried | As far as the design goes, agree that shouldn't be exclusively in Jay's head - it should be in the spec. And if it's not, we should examine our spec process. | 14:15 |
| mriedem | NRP has been around since newton yes? | 14:15 |
| edleafe | It's just that a) it would take time to get familiar with the code and b) we will not understand why it is written the way it is, causing more problems | 14:15 |
| mriedem | so the brain sharing has been going on for over a year | 14:15 |
| edleafe | mriedem: and yet no one could just pick it up and run with it | 14:15 |
| mriedem | jay's had patches up for a year yes? | 14:16 |
| mriedem | so what is there to run with? | 14:16 |
| mriedem | eric said he'd rebase it and handle changes while jay is out | 14:16 |
| mriedem | so i don't see why this is an opportunity to talk about how this is all just jay | 14:16 |
| mriedem | when it's not | 14:16 |
| cdent | mriedem: that’s not what’s being said | 14:16 |
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| cdent | what’s being said is that nrp is complicated and hard to pick up. no one is ascribing blame here | 14:17 |
| cdent | just that ideally it would be better, in every situation, if all of us were able to pick things up, more easily | 14:17 |
| cdent | if any of me, ed, or eric pick this up, it will be an interesting challenge | 14:17 |
| cdent | that’s okay, but not optimal | 14:17 |
| mriedem | ok, well, hard things are hard | 14:18 |
| mriedem | i hear what you guys are saying, | 14:18 |
| efried | Obviously there's going to be a point person on a given piece, and usually that person will understand things the best. But here I think there's enough understanding spread around the team that we're not in a serious bind. | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | that ^ | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | efried: no one's panicking | 14:18 |
| edleafe | efried: just pointing out that there are better ways of doing things | 14:19 |
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| cdent | do we know when does jay come back on scene? | 14:19 |
| efried | Can you give an example of a way we could [do|have done] things better in this case? | 14:19 |
| edleafe | I've managed a ton of software projects, and always strive to have more than one person with their hands in any part of code | 14:19 |
| edleafe | efried: if for nothing else than the bus factor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor | 14:20 |
| dansmith | nothing is stopping anyone from having their hands in any of this code | 14:21 |
| edleafe | it's not the end of the world | 14:21 |
| edleafe | it's just not ideal | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | ok ideal utopias aside, | 14:22 |
| efried | Okay, so are we good with the plan for right here right now? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | what's next? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | efried: i am yes | 14:22 |
| edleafe | mriedem: no need to be condescending | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to GET /allocation_candidates https://review.openstack.org/479776 | 14:23 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to get RPs with shared https://review.openstack.org/478464/ | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Not much activity in the past week | 14:23 |
| alex_xu | I rewrite the implementation last week | 14:23 |
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| efried | I took a look at it, but there's a bunch I don't understand about how aggregates are supposed to work with traits. | 14:24 |
| alex_xu | bascially this is the new version https://review.openstack.org/479766 instead of the sql implementation https://review.openstack.org/489206 | 14:24 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: where are you in the rewrite? Is it ready for review? | 14:24 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: 479755 is the one, last week I expected jay to take a look at if that is the direction he want, but ... | 14:25 |
| alex_xu | sorry, s/479755/479766 | 14:25 |
| efried | I still have some reading to do, but I'm concerned that the expected semantics may not be expressed in a spec anywhere. | 14:25 |
| alex_xu | efried: which semantics? | 14:26 |
| efried | How a request with traits maps to a compute host RP plus aggregates. | 14:26 |
| efried | I'd actually like to understand the extent to which we intend to support aggregate stuff in Q. | 14:27 |
| mriedem | we aren't doing sharing providers in queens | 14:27 |
| mriedem | we said that at the ptg | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | I think the spec describe the shared rp case | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497713/10/specs/queens/approved/add-trait-support-in-allocation-candidates.rst@83 | 14:27 |
| mriedem | shared rp is a distraction at this point | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: but the current implementation of allocation candidates works for the shared rp | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | except some bugs | 14:28 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: the API does yes, | 14:28 |
| mriedem | but using them in the rest of nova doesn't | 14:28 |
| mriedem | like for resource tracking | 14:28 |
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| efried | So my question is whether alex_xu's review noted above should even be trying to implement aggregate semantics. | 14:29 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: so the trait support shouldn't break the API? | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | alex_xu: you're talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478464/ specifically? | 14:30 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: sorry, that is the old one, the new one is https://review.openstack.org/479766, I just keep the old for people reference the two implementation | 14:31 |
| mriedem | so the question is just whether or not we should apply traits filtering also to shared RPs? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | if at the top GET /allocation_candidates route we're going to support filtering by traits, then i think it's fine to also include filtering traits on shared RPs | 14:31 |
| mriedem | otherwise we'd have to have another microversion in rocky for that, which would be weird | 14:32 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: ok | 14:33 |
| efried | Cool. And my concern could very well be addressed by words in the spec - so disregard for now. I'll go away and read, and bring it up again if I'm still worried. | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Next up are a couple from cdent: | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #link Allow _set_allocations to delete allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501051/ | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | i don't think there is any wordering in the spec about shared RPs | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Got a +2, needs rebase | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #link POST /allocations for >1 consumer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500073/ | 14:33 |
| edleafe | ALso needs rebase | 14:33 |
| cdent | whole stack just pushed with rebase | 14:33 |
| cdent | but I put a -W back in the middle to block until I resolve an earlier comment | 14:33 |
| edleafe | cdent: ah, I compiled this list an hour ago | 14:33 |
| edleafe | #link Use ksa adapter for placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492247/ | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Looks solid; anything to add, efried? | 14:34 |
| efried | nope | 14:34 |
| alex_xu | may I ask one more quesiton for traits patch? | 14:34 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: of course | 14:35 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks | 14:35 |
| alex_xu | so..should I continue make the new implementation patch, or just waiting for some feedback between two implementaion first? | 14:36 |
| alex_xu | should I continue to improve the patch of new implement or just waiting for some feedback first? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | what was the reason for the new implementation? | 14:37 |
| efried | As a relative noob, I have a preference for the new implementation. This is a pretty hard concept to understand, but the older one is *really* hard to follow. | 14:37 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: jay have comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489206/, bascialy want to remove the complex sql, using the debugable python code to implement | 14:38 |
| alex_xu | but in the python code, we need to take care the mapping of root rp and sharing rp stuff instead of sql | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | was that before or after jay decided to de-orm everything? :) | 14:39 |
| mriedem | maybe it does'nt matter | 14:39 |
| mriedem | but yeah i skimmed his comment on the old impl | 14:39 |
| mriedem | i guess go with the new one until someone pushes back on it | 14:40 |
| alex_xu | ok | 14:40 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: yeah, readability and debuggability count | 14:40 |
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| alex_xu | yea, the huge sql isn't debugable | 14:40 |
| edleafe | ok, moving on | 14:41 |
| edleafe | #link Alternate hosts: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486215/ | 14:41 |
| edleafe | There are concerns about removing limits in the Selection object, as has been suggested previously. I've started working on adding them back; should have the revised Selection object and code by this afternoon. | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Also, can we please have a better name for the RPC flag noted here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510159/ | 14:41 |
| edleafe | I chose an intentionally dumb name with the expectation that someone would jump in with a better suggestion. | 14:41 |
| mriedem | so "modern_flag"? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | how about just return_alternates? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | the flag should imply "new return type" | 14:42 |
| dansmith | yes | 14:42 |
| mriedem | problem solved | 14:42 |
| edleafe | The series is otherwise complete, with the details of the claiming of alternates still to be worked out | 14:42 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:44 |
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| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:44 |
| edleafe | Several new bugs, most reported by cdent | 14:44 |
| cdent | mostly notes to self, already addressed | 14:45 |
| edleafe | ok, that's what it looked like | 14:45 |
| edleafe | Anything more for bugs? | 14:45 |
| edleafe | ok then | 14:46 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:46 |
| edleafe | Two items on the agenda | 14:46 |
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| edleafe | preserving/returning auto-healing behavior in automated clients (cdent) | 14:46 |
| edleafe | the floor is yours, cdent | 14:46 |
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| cdent | Yeah, so I’m unclear on where we landed on the extent to which a compute-node is going to be capable of healing itself. Say the placement DB got wiped and then a compute-node is rebooted: | 14:47 |
| cdent | in our long term plan will the compute node come up, reports its inventory and allocations and life is groovy? | 14:47 |
| mriedem | the computes won't report allocations | 14:48 |
| mriedem | once they are at least all at pike | 14:48 |
| cdent | s/rebooted/the service is restarted, but physical hardware happy/ | 14:48 |
| mriedem | computes report inventory in the periodic | 14:48 |
| mriedem | but not allocations | 14:48 |
| efried | Will the RT be responsible for rebuilding the allocations? | 14:48 |
| mriedem | no | 14:48 |
| mriedem | we're moving away from the RT being responsible for allocatoins | 14:48 |
| cdent | Can you recall why we decided that the allocations would not be repoerted? And should we consider having them back since it makes managing some aspects of state a bit cleaner? | 14:49 |
| mriedem | because of how mixed version RTs trample on each other | 14:49 |
| mriedem | because of said trampling | 14:49 |
| mriedem | which we found late in pike | 14:49 |
| efried | Okay, so who's responsible for rebuilding the allocations in the scenario cdent mentions? | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | remember ocata computes were overwriting allocations | 14:49 |
| dansmith | because multiple things managing allocations when both think they're right is fragile | 14:49 |
| cdent | yeah, what efried said | 14:49 |
| mriedem | if the placement db is wiped, | 14:49 |
| dansmith | efried: "the db got wiped" is not a reasonable scenario, IMHO | 14:49 |
| mriedem | yo'ure kind of fucked? | 14:49 |
| dansmith | if we lose the nova db, we don't have a plan | 14:49 |
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| dansmith | we probably need some fsck like behavior for nova manage, | 14:50 |
| mriedem | and thus nova is not enterprise grade | 14:50 |
| cdent | I’m thinking fairly long term here, where placement is no longer a part of the nova db | 14:50 |
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| dansmith | to patch things up or at least identify places where we dropped something or lost some accounting, | 14:50 |
| cdent | and _if_ nodes were self healing, you’d have some options | 14:50 |
| dansmith | but a full rebuild scenario is not realistic, IMHO | 14:50 |
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| efried | Assuming that the consumer of an allocation will not always be an instance, I think I agree. | 14:51 |
| mriedem | my gut feeling is yo'ure going to introduce more bugs and issues supporting self healing | 14:51 |
| mriedem | because we support mixed version computes | 14:51 |
| cdent | I think live self healing is probably bad news, but a kind of recovery mode might be interesting to think about (so I’ll think about it, nothing to do at this stage, just wanted info/input) | 14:52 |
| mriedem | sure we can cram stuff in nova-manage if we want | 14:52 |
| dansmith | hence nova-manage fsck | 14:52 |
| edleafe | The other item is sort of moving in the opposite direction: | 14:53 |
| edleafe | Getting allocations into virt (e.g. new param to spawn). Some discussion here: | 14:53 |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-10-04.log.html#t2017-10-04T13:49:18-2 | 14:53 |
| edleafe | efried: all yours | 14:53 |
| dansmith | how is that moving in the opposite direction? | 14:54 |
| efried | Oh, this is still on here? | 14:54 |
| efried | I'm working on this change. | 14:54 |
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| edleafe | dansmith: getting placement info down to compute | 14:54 |
| mriedem | this is request info | 14:54 |
| mriedem | not placement info | 14:54 |
| mriedem | think of it like passing network info and bdms to driver.spawn | 14:55 |
| efried | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/511879/ | 14:55 |
| edleafe | I thought there was the aspect of a particular PF that placement selected | 14:55 |
| dansmith | edleafe: getting placement info _to_ compute is fine and good, getting compute to change placement is not | 14:55 |
| dansmith | this is about providing the virt driver with more information | 14:55 |
| efried | Yeah, so an alternative that was discussed for ^ but dismissed was adding the allocation blob to the instance object. | 14:55 |
| mriedem | this is providing an allocation that was made during scheduling, yes? | 14:55 |
| edleafe | dansmith: ...hence "opposite" | 14:55 |
| dansmith | um. | 14:56 |
| mriedem | like providing a port id or volume id | 14:56 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yes | 14:56 |
| mriedem | anyway, sounds like efried is still working on it | 14:56 |
| mriedem | anything to discuss about it here? | 14:56 |
| mriedem | with 4 minutes left? | 14:56 |
| dansmith | yep, I took a pass through it already | 14:56 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:57 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 16 14:57:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| mriedem | hold up | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-16-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| mriedem | damn | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-16-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-16-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| efried | Well, sahid brings up a point | 14:57 |
| efried | should it have a spec. dansmith said no | 14:57 |
| mriedem | edleafe: can you add https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-osc-plugin+status:open to your section on review reminders? | 14:58 |
| mriedem | efried: this was sort of getting lumped in with vgpu support wasn't it? | 14:58 |
| edleafe | mriedem: sure, but you could, too :) | 14:58 |
| mriedem | done | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | was also going to mention this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1723880 but can bring it up in -nova or ML | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1723880 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Unshelve instance failed with availability zone which be deleted" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:01 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello PWG | 21:01 |
| shamail | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 16 21:01:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| shamail | hi everyohne | 21:01 |
| shamail | #topic roll-call | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:01 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hi Shamail | 21:01 |
| shamail | who is here for the PWG meeting today? | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:01 |
| shamail | Looks like it’s just us so far | 21:02 |
| shamail | Leong said he might be running late but with even the three of us there isn’t really a quorum | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Let’s give it 5 min | 21:02 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sure | 21:03 |
| shamail | hi rockyg | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | Hey! | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | Definitely not going to Sydney. Sleep apnea makes it not worth while until I have it under control. | 21:05 |
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| shamail | :( | 21:05 |
| shamail | I’m not there either | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will be there. | 21:05 |
| shamail | nice Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Does that mean I handle BOF and PWG sessions? | 21:05 |
| shamail | Well, this should be a quick meeting… let’s get started | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. | 21:06 |
| shamail | Leong will be there too but your help would be greatly appreciated by him I’m sure | 21:06 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:06 |
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| shamail | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | glad to help | 21:06 |
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| shamail | good timing leong | 21:06 |
| shamail | #chair leong | 21:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: leong shamail | 21:06 |
| leong | hi folks.. :-) | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:06 |
| shamail | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-09-21.00.html | 21:06 |
| leong | sorry was deplayed by previous meeting | 21:06 |
| shamail | Action Item: Arkady_Kanevsky to check with shamail on any slidedecsk to present/explain PWG workflow | 21:07 |
| shamail | Want to give an overview Arkady_Kanevsky? | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail. I got an email that I will be added to present 2 things for SIG venue | 21:08 |
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| shamail | Nice | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | One of these is to present our workflow and walk thru + and - for it. Then SIG can decide to adopt it, agment it or ignore it | 21:08 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail, I am looking for your old presentation of worflow and want to work with you to update it to the latest for SIG presentation | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I recall you had one in google doc. | 21:09 |
| shamail | The latest workflow is actually on the wiki page (https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/c/ce/Development_Proposal_Workflow.png) | 21:09 |
| shamail | We do need to update it based on recent decisions | 21:09 |
| shamail | Let me see if I can find the old slides | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is the image. But you also had presentation | 21:10 |
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| shamail | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nU1DnyFxVlck3lvR7GrXI8tjQaMMIy0GFLPsYzne7ag/edit#slide=id.g1f441c5038_0_189 | 21:11 |
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| shamail | This is older but could be updated: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1dZBm4cfpSyVlvPLpHSReaQiZ7e8SfgS7VLSbSqoWokw/edit | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need to update it to better fit META SIG to be useful for all SIGs for development of proposals | 21:11 |
| shamail | I think we should create a new one using the chart as the basis | 21:12 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1 | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:12 |
| leong | _1 | 21:12 |
| leong | +1 | 21:12 |
| shamail | #action Arkady_Kanevsky and shamail to work on updated development proposal workflow to be used in Sydney | 21:12 |
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| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks for slide. I will work from there and then sent to this team fpor review | 21:12 |
| shamail | #topic Sydney Plans | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sydney Plans (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:12 | |
| shamail | #chair leong | 21:12 |
| openstack | Current chairs: leong shamail | 21:12 |
| shamail | Working Session | 21:13 |
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| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20411/product-working-group-wg | 21:13 |
| shamail | Working session is scheduled, link has details | 21:13 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-product-wg-working-session | 21:13 |
| leong | all: please suggest agenda to the working session | 21:13 |
| shamail | Please items to the etherpad for topics that would benefit from a face to face discussion | 21:14 |
| shamail | #action All - Please add items to be discussed at working session in Sydney to the working session etherpad | 21:14 |
| leong | we will try to establish a voice bridge during the working session for folks who are interested to join remotely | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The second presentation was on tracking proposal progress. I recall Leong run it with all machineary for track progress, incl;uding patch submission for it/ | 21:15 |
| shamail | That would be great leong | 21:15 |
| shamail | that’s correct Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | webex session? | 21:15 |
| leong | i got the conf-call info from rockyg , will publish on the etherpad | 21:15 |
| shamail | We also have a BoF session | 21:15 |
| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20412/product-working-group-bof | 21:15 |
| rockyg | Thanks, leong I was just going to ask... | 21:15 |
| shamail | This session is meant for introducing interested community members to the Product Team | 21:16 |
| leong | we haven't got a specific plan for BoF yet... | 21:16 |
| shamail | We will probably need a deck for this one | 21:16 |
| shamail | FYI: These two sessions are back to back as well | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | at laest PWG charter | 21:16 |
| leong | not sure who will be attending the BoF, potentially we can just re-use previous BoF slide to introduce Product Team and with the updated charter | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 2 different days: Monday and Tuesday | 21:17 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think charter, new approach, alignment with WGs/SIGs, and some items we need others to help with | 21:17 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: They both show as Tuesday | 21:17 |
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| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: same day, back to back.. same room | 21:17 |
| leong | Working Session go first, then follow by BoF | 21:18 |
| shamail | leong: ++ | 21:18 |
| shamail | Anyone want to volunteer to create the first draft of the BoF presentation? | 21:18 |
| leong | i can put up a draft for BoF | 21:18 |
| shamail | Thanks leong | 21:18 |
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| shamail | #action Leong will create draft presentation for BoF session | 21:19 |
| shamail | There is also a SIG/WG/UC meeting | 21:19 |
| shamail | I don’t think there is an agenda there yet… is this even scheduled? | 21:19 |
| shamail | or was this something we wanted to request? | 21:19 |
| shamail | I think it would be good to add this item to whatever UC meeting is planned | 21:20 |
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| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle | 21:20 |
| shamail | Anyone else want to discuss anything related to Sydney? | 21:21 |
| leong | there seems to have many interesting Forum topics... | 21:21 |
| shamail | Agreed | 21:21 |
| leong | #link Forum : forumtopics.openstack.org | 21:21 |
| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Forum | 21:22 |
| shamail | #topic Open | 21:22 |
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| shamail | Anything else to discuss today? | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | none from ,e | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | me | 21:22 |
| rockyg | nope | 21:23 |
| shamail | Ditto/ | 21:23 |
| leong | good for me today | 21:23 |
| shamail | Sounds good, thank you everyone! | 21:23 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:23 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 16 21:23:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-16-21.01.html | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-16-21.01.txt | 21:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-16-21.01.log.html | 21:23 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | goodbye | 21:23 |
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| jeblair | hi, are folks interested in a zuul meeting? | 22:00 |
| jeblair | ("no i'm busy working on zuul things" is a perfectly legit answer :) | 22:00 |
| fungi | i'm around | 22:01 |
| Shrews | here'ish | 22:01 |
| jeblair | i know that pabelanger, clarkb, and mordred can't make it today | 22:01 |
| jeblair | got anything you want to chat about? | 22:02 |
| fungi | i'm cool with a recap with reminders, or just postpone and talk about openstack-specific zuul topics in the infra meeting tomorrow | 22:02 |
| jeblair | i lean toward the latter | 22:03 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:04 |
| Shrews | x3 | 22:04 |
| fungi | i'll see what i can figure out about the new tag-releases job failures in that case | 22:04 |
| jeblair | cool. i'll go try to fix stuff i broke | 22:04 |
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