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masahitohi, time to blazar meeting09:00
masahito#startmeeting blazar09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 13 09:00:29 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'09:00
masahito#topic RollCall09:00
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priteauo/09:01
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hiro-kobayashio/09:01
bertyso/09:01
masahitotoday's agenda is09:01
masahito1. team photo09:01
masahito2. Rocky milestone09:01
masahito3. AOB09:01
masahitoanything else?09:01
masahitopriteau, hiro-kobayashi, bertys: hi09:02
masahitoI hope all had good and safe trip from Dublin to your home.09:03
priteauPending patches for Queens? I think there were some dashboard commits not yet merged in stable/queens09:03
masahitogot it.09:03
masahito#topic team photo09:03
*** openstack changes topic to "team photo (Meeting topic: blazar)"09:03
masahitoIt's a fyi.09:04
masahitoThe foundation shared the team photo as you see in openstack-dev ML.09:04
masahitohttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/dtei3ovfi7z74vo/AAB6nLiArw8fYBiO-X_vDGyna?dl=009:04
masahitoBlazar team photo is also there09:05
priteauThanks for sharing!09:05
hiro-kobayashiIt was sunny :-)09:06
masahitoThe wether is completely different among the teams.09:07
priteauAnd there was no snow (yet)09:07
masahitos/wether/weather09:07
masahitookay, move on to next :-)09:08
masahito#topic Rocky milestone09:08
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masahitoI created rocky series in launchpad and assigned some BPs and bugs to each milestone.09:09
masahitohttps://launchpad.net/blazar/rocky09:09
hiro-kobayashithanks!09:10
masahitoMost of BPs are targeted to r-2 as we need design and implementation phases.09:11
masahitoBut there is not big intent. So feel free to move the milestone if needed.09:12
masahitoSame for bugs.09:12
bertysmasahito: thanks, would it be possible to change "expected" date for rocky-1 milestone?09:12
bertysfrom January to April?09:13
bertys#link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html09:13
masahitoOops.09:13
masahitoDone09:14
bertysthanks09:14
priteauWho's Dmitriy Dyachkov?09:14
priteauHe's the assignee from 4 years ago, we should probably change it ;-)09:15
masahitoDmitriy Dyachkov could be a member of previous activities.09:15
priteauFor this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/125510609:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1255106 in Blazar "API unittests coverage is unsufficient" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dmitriy Dyachkov (ddyachkov)09:15
masahitoyes. we could take it over.09:16
hiro-kobayashiIs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/stop-using-customized-filter related to placement API?09:17
hiro-kobayashiIf so, milestone should be S+?09:17
hiro-kobayashis/milestone/milestone target/09:18
masahitoThe calendar view and resource usage API hasn't been reported yet. So I didn't assign it.09:18
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priteaumasahito: There is already a bp for it: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/resource-availability-api09:18
masahitohiro-kobayashi: The design phase is planned to Rocky so I put it in r-3 to easily track.09:19
hiro-kobayashiGot it.09:20
masahitohiro-kobayashi: If it's confusing, it's okay to remove milestone target.09:20
masahitopriteau: Look like. I forgot adding the target to the BP.09:21
masahitopriteau: thanks.09:21
masahitoFor the calender view, I imagine two BPs are required.09:22
masahito1. reservation detail API and 2. dashboard view depends-on #109:23
priteauYou mean a new one for the calendar support in dashboard?09:23
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priteauI can create one for calendar view09:25
masahitoyes. I think separated BPs are more easy to write specs and finish tasks.09:25
hiro-kobayashi+109:25
masahitopriteau: thank you.09:25
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masahitoother comments?09:26
priteauCreated at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/calendar-view09:27
masahitopriteau: thank you.09:29
masahitopriteau: It's okay to separate the description of query availability API from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/resource-availability-api ?09:31
priteauRight, we decided they will be two separate APIs?09:31
masahitoJust for tracking.09:31
priteauFine with me.09:32
masahitoyes. thanks. They will be two APIs.09:32
masahitothen, move on to next.09:32
masahito#topic Pending patches09:33
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masahitopriteau: Which patches for Queens are in review board now?  I can't find it.09:34
priteauIt's not proposed for queens yet, but I thought hiro-kobayashi said he wanted to include https://review.openstack.org/541564 in the release09:34
masahitooh, I see.09:35
hiro-kobayashipriteau: It does not have to be merged to stable/queens09:35
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priteauOK, sorry for misunderstanding09:36
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hiro-kobayashiI'm sorry perhaps I changed my mind ;-)09:37
priteauThen I think we could be good for Queens09:37
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masahitoyes, it's fine to backport it.09:37
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hiro-kobayashiNow that there is no task for Queens :-)09:41
masahitookay, if hiro-kobayashi want to backport it again, then let's do that ;-)09:41
hiro-kobayashiOK09:41
priteauI will let hiro-kobayashi decide.09:42
hiro-kobayashiNow I think it's not needed.09:42
hiro-kobayashifor Queens09:43
masahito#topic AOB09:44
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masahitoanything else to share/discuss/etc?09:44
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hiro-kobayashiNothing from my side.09:45
masahitowe discussed a lot in the last PTG. There could be less topics.09:45
bertysonly one topic related to Heat. Any opinion whether or not to have blazar host update by heat?09:46
priteauI have started developing OpenStackClient support, will work on it as time allows09:46
bertys#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534576/09:46
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hiro-kobayashibertys: I think it doesn't have to support updates for now because the reservation's object model does not match with Heat.09:48
masahitoI'm okay for heat to have host update in first patch.09:49
hiro-kobayashiOh, I'm sorry my opinion was about Lease...09:49
hiro-kobayashiAgree with masahito09:50
masahitohiro-kobayashi: if the patch update is supported, it fits the model?09:50
masahitoah, race condition...09:50
priteauEven if there was API support already, how would a user express removing an extra capability from a host in a Heat template?09:50
masahitoHeat uses blazarclient to call Blazar API instead of direct API call. So the usage of client wouldn't be changed whether patch is supported or not.09:51
priteaumasahito: But client will likely change09:52
masahitopriteau: but the heat template isn't change09:54
priteauI guess the question is, do we want Heat to provide host update feature with partial support (no removing of extra capability), or not provide it at all until we have full support.09:55
masahitoah, does anyone know the grammar of heat update for host?09:55
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priteauI believe that Heat may be keeping a copy of the host declaration with its original extra capabilities. When a user updates the template and removes a capability from it, Heat detects it and does an update with the new values.09:56
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masahitoHeat calls host update API with diff of original extra capabilities and new one?09:59
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priteauThat's my understanding10:01
masahitoIf so, current implementation doesn't seem to allow deleting update. "delete" means '' padding.10:01
masahitooriginal is {'k1': 'v1', 'k2': 'v2'}. new is {'10:03
masahitonew is {'k1': 'v1'}.10:03
priteauMaybe we should prioritize support for removing extra capa so that the Heat patch can fully support the feature.10:04
masahitoin that case the handle_update calls host update with {'k1': 'v1'}. It's not user's intent.10:05
masahitopriteau: yes, right.10:05
masahitoI'll ask kaz whether it's allowed to add host update later.10:06
priteauWe could always ask them to merge lease support first10:06
bertysthanks... Let's end the meeting and many thanks for your work during Queens release10:06
masahitoHost update should not be support for first implementation.10:07
masahitooh, running out of time. I didn't notice. thanks, bertys.10:08
masahitothen, see you.10:08
priteauThanks everyone10:08
masahitobye10:08
priteauBye!10:08
masahito#endmeeting10:08
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hiro-kobayashithanks! bye10:09
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zhurong#startmeeting murano13:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 13 13:01:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhurong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
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zhurong#topic RoleCall13:01
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zhurong#endmeeting13:14
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Mar 13 16:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'16:00
lbragstadagenda ^16:00
lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy16:00
raildoo/16:00
hrybackio/16:00
jgrHello16:00
hrybackiwe got moved out of #openstack-meeting ?16:00
wxy|o/16:00
lbragstadhrybacki: there was a conflict16:00
hrybackiack16:00
lbragstadwxy|: o/ nice to see you in the meeting :)16:01
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wxy|lbragstad: :)16:01
hrybackiwxy|++16:01
knikollao/16:01
knikollathanks for the ping on -keystone, wasn't in the -meeting-alt channel.16:01
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lbragstadyeah - i wasn't either until about 2 minutes ago16:01
cmurphyo/16:02
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lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting16:02
lbragstadagenda in case folks missed it16:02
spillao/16:03
lbragstadcool - let's go ahead and get started16:03
lbragstad#topic announcements: new meeting time16:03
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lbragstadso - the big one is that the meeting time has changed16:03
lbragstadunfortunately during the same time as american dst16:03
hrybacki+1 for inclusion16:03
lbragstad(sorry about that)16:03
lbragstadas a result, we've had to move meeting channels to avoid a conflict in #openstack-meeting16:04
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* hrybacki updated the agenda to reflect as much16:04
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lbragstadif you rely on calendars like I do, there is an updated .ics file you can import into your calendar with the new time and location16:05
lbragstadhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Keystone_Team_Meeting16:05
lbragstad#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Keystone_Team_Meeting16:05
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lbragstad#topic office hours topics16:05
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hrybackiwould it help if there was a calendar invite that we maintained?16:05
lbragstadhrybacki: i believe that .ics is generated automatically16:06
hrybackiack, disregard :)16:06
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lbragstadhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/yaml2ical/16:06
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lbragstadanytime there is a change to the meetings repo, new icals are generated16:06
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lbragstadany other questions or comments about meetings or icals?16:07
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lbragstadok - moving on16:09
lbragstadif you haven't noticed, things in Trello have shuffled around quite a bit16:09
lbragstadbut - over the past week or so, we've got the Rocky roadmap in pretty good shape16:09
lbragstad#link v16:09
lbragstad#link https://trello.com/b/wmyzbFq5/keystone-rocky-roadmap16:10
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lbragstadthanks to hrybacki for making sense of that board16:10
hrybackiteamwerk makes the dreamwerk16:10
wxy|hrybacki: really cool16:10
lbragstadhrybacki: is there anything about that board you want to talk about? structure? process?16:11
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hrybackilbragstad: so it is very similar to the Queens board16:12
hrybackiThe biggest thing to note is that items in the Next and In Progress column should be scoped to the closest milestone16:12
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hrybackie.g. any items in those two columns are things we 'think we'll accomplish NLT 20-April-2018'16:12
lbragstadthat's something we didn't do for queens16:12
hrybackiwe can go over the specific items during office hours16:12
hrybackiyeah16:13
hrybackiwe don't need to be dead on, but this will give us a baseline for sprint planning of M2/M3 and subsequent releases16:13
* lbragstad hopes that helps make the Next list more reasonable16:13
hrybackitl;dr let's do some basic things and figure out where we need to improve without putting a lot of work on anyone16:13
hrybackialso, if anyone has thoughts for improvements in the board/process please let us know16:14
hrybackiI can write up docs for 'formalize' a process if folks would like to see/reference that16:14
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hrybackimy only ask is that everyone error on the side of being /too verbose/ in their cards as they work16:15
hrybackierr* on16:15
cmurphyhow can I add a keystone team member?16:15
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hrybackigood question cmurphy -- I can find out before office hours16:15
cmurphyI tried to add jgr to the board but it shows him as a lonely "non-team member"16:16
hrybackilbragstad: did you create the keystone team originally?16:16
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lbragstadi think i did16:16
lbragstadcmurphy: jgr do you have an email?16:16
hrybackiI'm not sure where/how 'teams' are managed16:16
lbragstadit's literally the same as keystone groups :)16:17
hrybacki#link keystone team page on Trello: https://trello.com/keystone4216:17
jgrlbragstad: yes, let me quickly check which one I used for Trello...16:17
hrybackiperhaps we just make the group public so folks can join at will?16:17
cmurphy++16:17
hrybackiit is private presently16:17
hrybackilbragstad: I think you have to do that16:17
lbragstadyep - i can do that quick16:18
hrybackicmurphy: did you ever get public access to the retro? Sorry I was kind of in a fog over the past couple of weeks =/16:18
jgrlbragstad: I used johannes.grassler@suse.com for Trello.16:18
lbragstaddone16:18
cmurphyhrybacki: yes you fixed it16:18
lbragstadjgr: are you able to join the board now that it is public16:18
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hrybackicmurphy++16:18
jgrlbragstad: I think I have joined it...16:19
jgrlbragstad: as far as I remember that "non-team member" thing is only a flag that doesn't impact board use.16:19
lbragstadsweet - i think i still had to add you16:19
hrybackijgr: I see you on the team member list now: https://trello.com/keystone42/members16:19
lbragstadbut you were able to invite yourself16:19
cmurphyi added him to the board16:20
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lbragstadgood deal16:20
jgrAh, now I'm in the member list, too. Thanks :-)16:20
lbragstadjgr: no problem - thank you!16:21
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lbragstadhrybacki: anything else on the board specifically, or do we want to get into office hours stuff?16:21
hrybackino, I can brief everything else on the video conference16:22
lbragstadok - cool16:22
lbragstad#topic open discussion16:22
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lbragstadfloor is open if anyone has topics16:22
knikollawhat's the schedule for that?16:22
lbragstadknikolla: we're going to keep office hours immediately after the meeting, so the format should be the same16:22
lbragstadunless we come up with a reason to change it16:23
knikollaack! so we're jumping on the conference call right after this?16:23
hrybackiaim in the first hour is to review the board and agree upon things for M1 ('sprint planning')16:23
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lbragstadi do have a couple things to propose for office hours, but only after sprint planning16:26
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lbragstadwxy|: i assume you'll drop after the meeting?16:26
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lbragstadgiven it's going on 1:00 AM where you are?16:26
wxy|lbragstad: i'll try to attend the online meeting. not sure the internet is Ok or not.16:27
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kmallocugh.16:28
lbragstadwxy|: i just want to make sure we cover whatever you need while we have you on the line, in case you decide to drop after the meeting16:28
kmalloclbragstad: we moved to meeting-alt?16:29
ayoungkmalloc, no16:30
lbragstadkmalloc: yeah - there was a conflict in #openstack-meeting at 160016:30
ayoungkmalloc, this is not happening16:30
ayoungits all a dream.16:30
ayoungwake up.16:30
kmallocoh, ok16:30
ayoungHeh16:30
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lbragstadlol16:30
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kmalloc>.>16:31
ayoungHeh16:31
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ayoungso, since we are in open discussion:  multi-site16:31
ayoungI started chatting about this in #openstack-keystone16:31
ayoungLet me suggest that people read the edge-stuff from PTG:16:31
ayounghttp://markvoelker.github.io/blog/dublin-ptg-edge-sessions/16:32
ayoungAnd I know a few people have stumbled over stuff like this before.16:32
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lbragstadayoung: correct me if i'm wrong, but the tl;dr is that there are a bunch of small deployments that need to act as a single cloud, right?16:33
ayounglbragstad, yeah16:33
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ayoungthat is the driving story, IIUC16:33
ayoungHow do you sync?  How do you upgrade? How do you keep the music playing?16:34
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ayoungK2K federation provides an insulatin layer between them, but it is useless if the First K is down.16:34
ayoungI think a lot of people have gone Hub-and-Spoke and made Keystone at the spoke read only16:35
ayoungbut that messes up things like application credentials.  You have to write them centrally, not at the Keystone server that shows up in your Service catalog16:35
ayoungalso, a use case that has come up a lot is "I have a region that is for special customers.  How do I keep out the riff raff?"16:36
ayoungK2K is OK if the people in the gold tier don't want to reuse anything from the regular tier, but they are the ones paying the most.  They want their resources.16:37
ayoungThat last seems mostly like a policy thing;  add an additional role to all operations on a specific endpoint.16:37
ayoungI was thinking in terms of "This region can write values for this domain"16:38
ayoungand then eventually-consistent semantics for syncing to the other keystones.16:38
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ayoungSo if we have Boston and Berlin as Regions, and each region had a keystone, and each keystone has two domains, Named DomBoston and DomBerlin,  the Keystone in Boston can write to DomBoston and will push its changes to DomBerlin.16:40
ayoungKeystone in Berlin would ignore any changes for DomBerlin unless it wrote them16:40
ayoungYou would need a central arbiter to make sure that regions to domains was set up in a consistant manner.  But assume changes to that are infrequent16:41
lbragstadhmm - so would on the domain be sync'd?16:41
lbragstadwhat about the user tables?16:41
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ayoungright...so the synced data would be all tables in identity, assignement and the project table in Resource16:42
ayoungbut only the values tagged with DomBoston would be acceptable to the Berlin Keystone16:42
ayoungand the reverse16:42
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ayoungSo...let me throw that out there as a starting point.  We should participate in the Edge computing discussions, as Keystone is going to be a nexus for that use case to work16:45
* ayoung surrenders the conch16:45
lbragstadyeah...16:45
cmurphyagreed that we need to be thinking about this more seriously16:45
lbragstad++16:45
lbragstadand that's apparent in how many requests we've gotten for various things (like project IDs over the API)16:46
lbragstadi'll re-read the edge etherpad from dublin16:46
ayounglbragstad, yeah, and there is second one called Alan'S Problems16:46
lbragstad#link http://markvoelker.github.io/blog/dublin-ptg-edge-sessions/16:46
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ayounghttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-alans-problems16:47
ayoung#lionk https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-alans-problems16:47
ayoung#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-alans-problems16:47
ayoung#lionk is short for Lion King16:47
knikollai'll do some background reading.16:47
lbragstadnice - i'll dig into those16:48
lbragstadi have some context on the problem, but i feel like i should at least step back and read everything first16:48
lbragstadthanks ayoung16:48
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lbragstadanything else for open discussion?16:49
lbragstadotherwise we can end 15 minutes early and prepare for sprint planning16:49
lbragstader 11 minutes early16:49
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lbragstadalright - thanks for coming16:50
lbragstadsee everyone in a few minutes16:50
lbragstad#endmeeting16:50
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