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| bauzas | do we have a sched meeting ? | 14:01 |
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| * cdent looks around | 14:01 | |
| cdent | efried, jaypipes ? | 14:02 |
| efried | ō/ | 14:02 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:02 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:02 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | \o | 14:02 |
| melwitt | o/ | 14:02 |
| bauzas | who chairs the meeting ? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | I thought edleafe said he was stopping | 14:03 |
| efried | jaypipes did it last week | 14:03 |
| bauzas | cdent: ? | 14:03 |
| efried | or last time, rather | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | before the summit then | 14:03 |
| bauzas | or during it | 14:03 |
| efried | yuh | 14:03 |
| efried | before | 14:03 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:03 |
| cdent | #startmeeting nova scheduler | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 4 14:04:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| bauzas | noo | 14:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:04 |
| bauzas | howdy, it works \o/ | 14:04 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:04 |
| cdent | #chair efried bauzas edleafe jaypipes | 14:04 |
| bauzas | s/<space>/_/ | 14:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bauzas cdent edleafe efried jaypipes | 14:04 |
| efried | ō/ again | 14:04 |
| cdent | it fixes it automagically as I recall | 14:04 |
| bauzas | I wasn't expecting to have "nova scheduler" be transformed into "nova_scheduler", I was rather thinking it was creating a "nova" one | 14:05 |
| bauzas | anyway, gtk | 14:05 |
| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:05 |
| bauzas | I'm there for 20 mins | 14:05 |
| bauzas | please thank the daylight summer time | 14:05 |
| cdent | As there hasn't been a recent placement update email (I'll try to do one this coming Friday) I'm not sure of the state of specs and reviews but: | 14:06 |
| cdent | #topic specs and reviews | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and reviews (Meeting topic: nova scheduler)" | 14:06 | |
| cdent | any that people would like to bring up? | 14:06 |
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| efried | nrp-in-alloc-cands series needs second +2s | 14:06 |
| efried | current bottom: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567113/ | 14:06 |
| cdent | will be exciting to see that live | 14:06 |
| efried | melissaml is +1, so it's clearly ready. | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | I can honestly approve the spec, not the series | 14:07 |
| bauzas | because SQL, dudes | 14:07 |
| bauzas | I looked at it, I understand it | 14:07 |
| bauzas | but how can I know whether we have problems with that except just trusting ? | 14:07 |
| efried | The second +2 is really on jaypipes | 14:07 |
| bauzas | maybe jaypipes is the best person to +W | 14:07 |
| cdent | very close reading of the tests? | 14:07 |
| bauzas | yeah that | 14:07 |
| efried | yes | 14:07 |
| alex_xu_ | o/ | 14:07 |
| cdent | any other reviews in a similar state? | 14:08 |
| tetsuro | im ready to response questions on that series and hope that jay have a second look on that | 14:08 |
| efried | I'd like to know the state of consumer gen series. | 14:08 |
| efried | Whether that's ready for a final look yet. | 14:08 |
| bauzas | my own series is blocked by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557065/ | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I beg here for reviews | 14:08 |
| efried | current bottom of consumer gen: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567678/9 | 14:08 |
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| efried | bauzas: Have we given up on using yaml right out of the gate on that one? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I have a merge conflict on my implementation but since I need to update my series because of a spec's revision, please at least review the spec first | 14:09 |
| bauzas | efried: indeed | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | tetsuro, efried, bauzas: I don't believe we should proceed with anything in n-r-p until we settle on a design for the in-place upgrade of the compute nodes. | 14:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's a reasonable assumption, at least for new resource allocations | 14:10 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I think the problem is not existing with resource classes that don't need to be migrated | 14:10 |
| efried | jaypipes: That's not a necessary blocker, esp. for drivers that haven't yet modeled resources that will need to move. | 14:10 |
| efried | exactly | 14:10 |
| bauzas | what efried said | 14:10 |
| bauzas | also | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | one thing we need to keep in mind | 14:11 |
| efried | Concrete example: I want to start modeling GPUs in powervm. | 14:11 |
| bauzas | we support rolling upgrade | 14:11 |
| bauzas | so we still need to support N-1 computes | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, efried: guys, if the drivers begin modeling resources with trees, that's when stuff will blow up, right? so we need to put all those series on hold until we figure out a path forward for the "healing" process stuff. | 14:11 |
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| efried | jaypipes: No, only in cases where *existing* resources are being *moved* from the compute node RP to subtrees | 14:12 |
| gibi | jaypipes: does it include the case when Neutron will start report nested RPs? | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | efried: right. so, NUMA, VGPU, etc. | 14:12 |
| efried | jaypipes: PowerVM doesn't have GPUs yet - been deliberately waiting for this reason. | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | again, one thing to keep in mind is that even if we merge compute patches for NRP in Rocky, scheduler and placement still have to handle Queens RPs | 14:12 |
| efried | So as soon as we have nrp-in-alloc-cands, we can start - we don't have to wait for the migration stuff. Because we won't have migration yet. | 14:13 |
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| jaypipes | efried: here comes the bluntness everyone hates me for apparently... but I really don't prioritize PowerVM's driver stuff over getting the fundamentals correct for the whole rolling upgrade problem that bauzas brought up on ML. | 14:13 |
| bauzas | efried: tbc, nrp-in-alloc-cands work with rolling upgrades because we check microversions | 14:13 |
| efried | I'm giving PowerVM as an example of why nrp shouldn't be blocked on the upgrade issue. | 14:14 |
| bauzas | ok, let's not freak out | 14:14 |
| bauzas | (like the GitHub thing :p ) | 14:14 |
| bauzas | we're still end of Roxky-2 | 14:14 |
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| efried | Not asking anyone to prioritize PowerVM. Just asking to prioritize nrp like we've been asking to prioritize it since the beginning of the cycle. | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | so we can settle down a solution for rolling upgrades *and* merge bits on nrp in time for Rocky hopefully | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | I was just trying to identify the upgrade impact | 14:15 |
| bauzas | hence me saying that some things shouldn't be blocked | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | efried: I'm just saying if we're going to focus on n-r-p things, it should be anything that will enable the fixes for rolling upgrade. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | but looks like we're diverting | 14:16 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that sounds reasonable | 14:16 |
| bauzas | in terms of upstream effort on priotization | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | gosh, I have gloves | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | efried: if that's tetsuro's n-r-p with allocs series, fine, but I don't *think* that series will have anything to do with rolling upgrades will it? I mean, we've been discussing a completely new HTTP endpoint for handling these mass migrations. | 14:16 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: tetsuro is proposing a new microversion for that | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: for what? | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: for returning child resources | 14:17 |
| efried | sorry, I didn't follow that last question, jaypipes | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | so I guess we can pretend in Rocky to not know about nested RPs | 14:17 |
| efried | agh, no. | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | inventories will report the new model, but then scheduler will only speak old greek | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: right, but that (while a very useful addition for the scheduler to make use of n-r-p) isn't relevant to the mass migration API. | 14:18 |
| bauzas | that's one way to tackle this | 14:18 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed, it's orthogonal, good point | 14:18 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: but I guess we somehow needs to address that too | 14:18 |
| bauzas | ie. we have two upgrade concerns | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | OK, what patches *currently up* would enable any of the mass migration stuffs? anything? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | 1/ is the allocations and inventories of resource classes that are now attached to a child RP | 14:19 |
| efried | no, we haven't started that yet jaypipes, as far as I'm aware. | 14:19 |
| bauzas | 2/ is the fact that scheduler will have to handle the fact we have both Queens and Rocky RPs | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | AFAICT, we should -W the XenAPI VGPU series as well as the multi-gpu-type series until the mass migration stuff is resolved. Would bauzas, efried, cdent you agree with that? | 14:19 |
| cdent | last I recall was last friday's (or maybe thursday's) discussion of the etherpad | 14:19 |
| bauzas | (hope people follow me) | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: can't disagree | 14:20 |
| efried | jaypipes: Agree we should hold up series impacted by upgrade issue, yes. | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | it's sad but it's necessary | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, efried: specifically those two series, temporarily, yes? | 14:20 |
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| cdent | we should _not_, however, block tetsuro's stuff, right? | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, efried: are there any *other* patch series currently up that should be -W'd for the same reason? | 14:20 |
| efried | I haven't thought through thoroughly, but that's a qualified agreement that it's those two series that need to be held. | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | cdent: block, no. de-prioritize (slightly) to deal with the upgrade-y stuff, maybe. | 14:21 |
| efried | cdent: Correct, we should *not* block nrp-in-alloc-cands - we should get that reviewed and merged asap. | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | efried: ack. I can review it today. | 14:21 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: my own series wasn't yet providing nested inventories yet | 14:21 |
| cdent | I'd like to see it merged asap as well, just so it is out of the way, but still usable | 14:21 |
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| jaypipes | efried: just want to point out the upgrade stuff should take precedence/priority as much as possible. | 14:22 |
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| efried | jaypipes: Cool; if it helps, I can propose spec and/or code for the upgrade stuff so you're clear to review tetsuro's series. | 14:22 |
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| efried | I'm +2 on the bottom few patches, and mostly up to speed on the rest | 14:22 |
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| jaypipes | efried: well, if you can whip up a spec that would be cool, yes. we still need to settle differences on the various proposals in that etherpad, though. | 14:22 |
| efried | yes. Let's talk about that some more in a bit. | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | efried: you're +2 on tetsuro's series' bottom patches? | 14:23 |
| bauzas | can we put the etherpad link here ? | 14:23 |
| efried | jaypipes: yes | 14:23 |
| bauzas | and snaaaap, I need to go babysitting | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-migrate-operations | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-migrate-operations | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | I'd actually appreciate a hangout session on the ^^ for higher-bandwidth communication. | 14:23 |
| efried | Cool, are folks free after this? cdent jaypipes, anyone else? | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | would anyone have time to discuss the above on a hangout? | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | efried: I'd like at least cdent and edleafe on the hangout if possible. | 14:24 |
| cdent | I'm free 2.5 hours from now | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | our API experts-in-resident | 14:24 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: heh, unfortunately I have a call from 2.5 hours from now to 3.5 hours from now. | 14:25 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I can do the hangout right around 3pm UTC | 14:25 |
| bauzas | uhu | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | anyway, I need to leave now | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | perhaps we can schedule a hangout for tomorrow morning (EST) and do some brainstorming today on the ehterpad? | 14:25 |
| cdent | I could maybe do 1 hour from now if it was only .5 hour long? | 14:25 |
| bauzas | find a slot and I'll see how I can sneak into | 14:26 |
| cdent | or tomorrow morning works too | 14:26 |
| cdent | (I'm still pst, but operating early) | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | reminder to folks on the etherpad... please set your name in the participants color box thing. | 14:26 |
| efried | currently on the table: 1530 UTC for half an hour, or 1700 UTC | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | cdent: oh, crap, forgot about you being in PST... | 14:26 |
| efried | edleafe: either of those better for you? | 14:27 |
| cdent | jaypipes: no worries, I'm waking up early | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | efried: I think edleafe may be commuting to the office? | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | cdent: ack | 14:27 |
| * jaypipes needs to head to his daily standup meeting in 2 minutes. | 14:27 | |
| * alex_xu only wants to wait the conclusion | 14:27 | |
| cdent | let's work out a when in #openstack-placement | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | k | 14:28 |
| cdent | for having one tomorrow morning | 14:28 |
| cdent | with | 14:28 |
| cdent | #action review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-migrate-operations today | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 14:28 |
| efried | wfm | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | ok, unfortunately I need to run to another meeting :( | 14:28 |
| tetsuro | I got that we're focusing on upgrade issue. After this I should go, but will have a look on that etherpad tomorrow | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | #action review tetsuro's n-r-p alloc cands patch series as soon as possible | 14:29 |
| cdent | okay, moving on, any other reviews to discuss? | 14:29 |
| * jaypipes goes ethereal | 14:29 | |
| cdent | #topic bugs | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova scheduler)" | 14:29 | |
| cdent | #link bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement&orderby=-id | 14:29 |
| cdent | 32 of them, nothing super new | 14:30 |
| cdent | anybody want to talk about a bug? | 14:30 |
| cdent | #topic opens | 14:31 |
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| cdent | anyone on anything? | 14:31 |
| cdent | If not, then our primary next steps are to look at the migration etherpad and to get tetsuro's nrp in allocation-candidates reviewed and merged | 14:31 |
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| cdent | cool? | 14:31 |
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| gibi | cool | 14:32 |
| efried | cool | 14:32 |
| melwitt | ++ | 14:32 |
| cdent | thanks gibi, for not leaving me hanging | 14:32 |
| cdent | thanks for coming everyone | 14:32 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 4 14:32:57 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-04-14.04.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-04-14.04.txt | 14:33 |
| efried | Thanks for chairing cdent | 14:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-04-14.04.log.html | 14:33 |
| cdent | efried: under duress! :) | 14:33 |
| efried | whatever it takes | 14:33 |
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