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masahito | hi blazar folks, time to weekly meeting. | 09:01 |
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masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 5 09:01:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:01 |
tetsuro | o/ | 09:01 |
hiro-kobayashi | o/ | 09:01 |
priteau | o/ | 09:01 |
masahito | #topic RollCall | 09:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:02 | |
tetsuro | hi, blazar folks, nice to meet you. | 09:02 |
masahito | tetsuro, hiro-kobayashi, priteau: hello | 09:02 |
priteau | Hello tetsuro, welcome! | 09:02 |
tetsuro | i think we have talked did we/ | 09:02 |
tetsuro | im tetsuro from NTT | 09:03 |
masahito | tetsuro: Hello | 09:03 |
hiro-kobayashi | priteau: tetsuro is a placement guy who I talked at the last meeting :-) | 09:03 |
tetsuro | im working on placement especially nested stuff. | 09:03 |
bertys | hi all! | 09:03 |
masahito | bertys: hi | 09:03 |
tetsuro | hi | 09:03 |
masahito | today's agenda is | 09:04 |
hiro-kobayashi | hi! | 09:04 |
masahito | 1. rocky-2 milestone | 09:04 |
masahito | 2. gate failure | 09:04 |
masahito | 3. AOB | 09:04 |
masahito | tetsuro: Welcome to blazar project. we're planning to use placementAPI. I'm really happy to see you in the meeting. | 09:05 |
tetsuro | masahito: thanks, too | 09:05 |
masahito | OK, let's move on to first topic | 09:05 |
masahito | #topic rocky-2 milestone | 09:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "rocky-2 milestone (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:05 | |
masahito | I pushed some patches for r-2 milestone. | 09:06 |
masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572269/ | 09:06 |
masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572270/ | 09:06 |
masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572271/ | 09:06 |
masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572272/ | 09:06 |
masahito | Once the patches have been merged, we'll pass the r2 milestone | 09:07 |
hiro-kobayashi | Thanks! | 09:07 |
masahito | I used 1.1.0 tag for blazarclient, blazar-nova, blazar-dashboard following other projects. | 09:08 |
hiro-kobayashi | I think flavors-extra-specs and multi-freepools patches are ready to be merged. | 09:08 |
priteau | Are there patches that you still want to merge before tagging rocky-2? | 09:09 |
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hiro-kobayashi | How about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/566802/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/564138/ ? | 09:10 |
masahito | I don't have a specific patches to be merged before r2 | 09:10 |
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masahito | I'm neutral to merge the two before r2 or after r2. | 09:11 |
priteau | hiro-kobayashi: I think I can review the first one quickly after the call, since the remaining comments were minor | 09:11 |
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hiro-kobayashi | priteau: thanks! | 09:11 |
priteau | But including them in rocky-2 would require masahito to push updated versions of his release patches | 09:12 |
masahito | yes. | 09:12 |
hiro-kobayashi | Oh, I got it. | 09:12 |
priteau | (since they refer to a specific Git SHA) | 09:12 |
masahito | The due date is 7 June. Don't need to be harry up. | 09:13 |
masahito | meaning I'm okay to merge it before "r3" | 09:13 |
hiro-kobayashi | OK. I don't have a strong preference. Let's take the easiest way. | 09:13 |
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masahito | Speaking of updating my release patch, I want to talk a bit about next topic. | 09:14 |
priteau | Unless we have operators who are ready to deploy and test r2, there is no real benefit in including those patches in this release | 09:14 |
hiro-kobayashi | Agree | 09:15 |
priteau | masahito: I am OK to move to the next agenda item | 09:15 |
masahito | #topic gate failure | 09:16 |
*** openstack changes topic to "gate failure (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:16 | |
masahito | I noticed the devstack scenario test in the gate starts to fail | 09:17 |
masahito | The reason it fails looks unexpected context key in RPC. | 09:18 |
masahito | http://logs.openstack.org/34/571634/2/check/blazar-devstack-dsvm-py35/7ed339d/logs/screen-blazar-m.txt.gz#_Jun_05_06_18_57_188544 | 09:18 |
priteau | masahito: Could this be caused by a change in oslo.messaging? | 09:19 |
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priteau | I don't see any reference to client_timeout in our code | 09:19 |
masahito | I'm checking it with the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572290/ and if it's true, I plan to avoid to use the latest oslo.messaging. | 09:20 |
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masahito | The latest oslo.messaging 6.3.0 was released in last week. And the gate failure happens after the release. | 09:21 |
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hiro-kobayashi | Thank you for investigating the problem | 09:22 |
masahito | My plan is just avoiding 6.3.0 for blazar r2 release, then fixing the problem before r3. | 09:22 |
hiro-kobayashi | Sounds good | 09:23 |
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priteau | Agreed | 09:25 |
masahito | #topic AOB | 09:26 |
*** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:26 | |
masahito | less topics today. | 09:26 |
masahito | Does someone have something to share/discuss? | 09:26 |
hiro-kobayashi | I have one topic | 09:26 |
hiro-kobayashi | Does anyone (plan to) work on the cleaning-time-allowance blueprint? | 09:27 |
hiro-kobayashi | If not, I plan to work on it. | 09:27 |
priteau | Thanks hiro-kobayashi. I don't think I will have time to work on it soon. | 09:28 |
masahito | I don't work for it now. | 09:28 |
hiro-kobayashi | priteau: does ChameleonCloud has related patch for Ironic support? | 09:28 |
hiro-kobayashi | Oh, timing error... | 09:28 |
priteau | hiro-kobayashi: No, as we don't use the Ironic cleaning feature on Chameleon, yet | 09:28 |
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hiro-kobayashi | OK. Then, I will work on it :-) | 09:29 |
masahito | hiro-kobayashi: thanks for taking it! | 09:29 |
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hiro-kobayashi | I don't have another topic today. | 09:31 |
masahito | tetsuro: Would you like to self-introduce? :-) | 09:32 |
tetsuro | well, | 09:32 |
tetsuro | these days I'm | 09:32 |
tetsuro | working on placement, but I'm also working on DPDK mainly. | 09:33 |
tetsuro | and now im curious and willing to look into blazar world also, so | 09:33 |
tetsuro | please help me if you can so that I can help. | 09:34 |
tetsuro | thats about it...is it enaough?:) | 09:34 |
bertys | tetsuro: thanks and welcome! | 09:34 |
masahito | Sure. If you have any question, feel free to ask us. we can help you :-) | 09:35 |
tetsuro | brtys: thanks too. | 09:35 |
tetsuro | masahito: thanks. | 09:35 |
priteau | tetsuro: One major objective for Blazar is to move to use the placement API at some point. | 09:35 |
priteau | Currently we are using a combination of Nova host aggregates and scheduler filters | 09:36 |
tetsuro | gocha. I'll try to help. | 09:36 |
hiro-kobayashi | tetsuro: Here is a placement support plan: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/blazar-placement-design . It is still under discussion. | 09:37 |
tetsuro | cool. | 09:37 |
hiro-kobayashi | It's great if we could co-work on it. | 09:38 |
masahito | We're happy that you would feedback it from Nova (Placement) perspective. | 09:38 |
tetsuro | will have a look on that | 09:39 |
masahito | OK. another topic? if nothing we can finish today's meeting early. | 09:39 |
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priteau | I wanted to mention briefly Neutron support in Blazar | 09:40 |
priteau | In Chameleon we are interested, not only for reserving floating IPs, but especially for reserving segmentation IDs for provider networks (VLANs) | 09:40 |
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priteau | If time allows, I will try to work on a spec this month that incorporates our design from Dublin | 09:41 |
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masahito | priteau: Sounds Nice! Could you do both floatingIP reservation and segmentation IDs? | 09:42 |
priteau | Yes, I think the mechanism will be the same | 09:42 |
masahito | got it. | 09:42 |
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hiro-kobayashi | It's really nice to have a real use case! | 09:43 |
masahito | Do you also have a plan to write a spec about resource usage API? If less time, I can take over this. | 09:44 |
priteau | masahito: I am afraid I won't have much time to work on this. | 09:45 |
priteau | I can do a review if you're happy to write the spec | 09:45 |
masahito | No problem. | 09:45 |
masahito | I | 09:45 |
masahito | I'll start to work on the spec after fixing gate failure :-) | 09:46 |
hiro-kobayashi | thanks! | 09:46 |
priteau | Thank you | 09:46 |
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masahito | Thank you, too. | 09:47 |
masahito | That's a team and OSS activities ;-) | 09:47 |
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masahito | okay, then let's finish the meeting early and back to review and write a spec! | 09:49 |
masahito | thanks all. | 09:49 |
masahito | bye | 09:49 |
masahito | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 5 09:49:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-05-09.01.html | 09:49 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-05-09.01.txt | 09:49 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-05-09.01.log.html | 09:49 |
tetsuro | thanks! | 09:49 |
priteau | By everyone | 09:50 |
priteau | Bye | 09:50 |
hiro-kobayashi | Thank you all and good bye! | 09:50 |
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lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 5 16:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy, sonuk | 16:00 |
knikolla | o/ | 16:00 |
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hrybacki | o/ | 16:01 |
gagehugo | o/ | 16:01 |
sonuk | o/ | 16:02 |
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cmurphy | o/ | 16:03 |
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lbragstad | #topic proxy calls between projects | 16:04 |
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lbragstad | knikolla: o/ | 16:04 |
knikolla | o/ | 16:04 |
knikolla | what i'm working on and what pays my bill is working on resource federation in openstack | 16:04 |
knikolla | currently i have a proxy called mixmatch which proxies api calls between services in different deployment | 16:04 |
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knikolla | handling k2k saml exchange, and scoping the token to the correct project on the remote deployment | 16:05 |
kmalloc | o/ | 16:05 |
knikolla | was thinking, if we forget about k2k. the proxy could be used to allow nova to access things in other projects | 16:05 |
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knikolla | example, attach a volume in a different projects | 16:05 |
knikolla | essentially allowing granular ACLs, since you can divide things in many projects. | 16:05 |
knikolla | this is the elevator pitch. | 16:06 |
* kmalloc holds the "door close button" to give knikolla more time to pitch. | 16:06 | |
knikolla | thanks, haha. | 16:07 |
knikolla | so basically you'd have a project with subprojects. and for people who should have access to everything, they are granted a role on the parent. for people who just need specific objects, just one or multiple subprojects. | 16:07 |
knikolla | you'd still be able to use the staff as if they were in a single project though | 16:08 |
knikolla | stuff* | 16:08 |
knikolla | this was brought up in a discussion with ayoung | 16:08 |
knikolla | if he's around | 16:08 |
kmalloc | so the proxy only affects a single hierarchy | 16:08 |
kmalloc | ? | 16:08 |
kmalloc | as in, resource must be in a peer project or the local project. | 16:09 |
kmalloc | not "any project configured" | 16:09 |
knikolla | potentially. | 16:09 |
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knikolla | currently it's less restricted (it looks at all the projects you have access to) | 16:09 |
kmalloc | ah | 16:09 |
kmalloc | ok, so it could be any project | 16:09 |
knikolla | since it uses your token to get a list of projects | 16:09 |
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kmalloc | but realistcally, it could be limited with enhancements to mixmatch | 16:10 |
knikolla | yes | 16:10 |
kmalloc | ok cool, thanks, was curious on the "current state of the world" | 16:10 |
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* kmalloc is looking at the mixmatch code >.> | 16:10 | |
knikolla | thoughts, opinions, questions? | 16:12 |
lbragstad | knikolla: would you be using this internally for k2k and resource sharing across projects? | 16:13 |
knikolla | lbragstad: it's main use case right now is cross attaching a volume between multiple clouds | 16:13 |
knikolla | the proxy is registered as the cinder endpoint | 16:13 |
wxy| | o/ | 16:13 |
knikolla | nova makes an attach call | 16:13 |
knikolla | and the proxy figures out where the volume is, does k2k, gets a token, and forwards the request to the appropriate cloud | 16:14 |
knikolla | and sends the response back | 16:14 |
knikolla | nova is happy without knowing it went to another cloud | 16:14 |
knikolla | potentially, it can be used without k2k, just rescoping inside a cloud | 16:14 |
knikolla | allowing usage of resource from one project you have access to another | 16:14 |
lbragstad | i want to say i've heard that use case before | 16:15 |
lbragstad | but i can't remember who it was | 16:15 |
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kmalloc | it was related to the more fine-grained permissions [splitting resources in the same project] | 16:15 |
kmalloc | same concept but without needing to add extra bits everywhere for access control | 16:16 |
lbragstad | that too | 16:16 |
knikolla | the topic today is related to fine-grained, yes. | 16:16 |
lbragstad | would it be possible to use this to do fine-grained access within the same project? | 16:16 |
knikolla | lbragstad: if you make the endpoint only accessible via proxy, yes | 16:17 |
knikolla | otherwise a use could bypass it and talk straight to the service. | 16:17 |
kmalloc | might be weird. | 16:17 |
knikolla | user* | 16:17 |
lbragstad | sure | 16:17 |
kmalloc | and you could still bypass the proxy | 16:17 |
kmalloc | which defeats the purpose | 16:17 |
knikolla | yes. | 16:17 |
kmalloc | ayoung had a concept (blog post) about access tags [think k8s] in openstack to solve inthesameproject fine grained control | 16:18 |
kmalloc | honestly, i would be unhappy trying to wedge fine grained control via the proxy in a single project | 16:18 |
kmalloc | as it doesn't really buy security in any way, and is easily bypassed | 16:18 |
knikolla | ++ | 16:18 |
lbragstad | so the primary use cases is sharing resources across projects | 16:18 |
kmalloc | across projects is no different than across clouds [really] | 16:19 |
knikolla | this is more like a, use keystone hmt and role assignment to half-ass access tags. | 16:19 |
kmalloc | it's the inverse of what adam proposed | 16:19 |
kmalloc | it's across project, vs internal project | 16:19 |
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kmalloc | we would need something like mixmatch if we wanted access tags intra-project anyway [due to model of data and RBAC in openstack in general] | 16:20 |
knikolla | yes, thought if the projects are subprojects or a parent project. it's easier to wrap your brain around. | 16:20 |
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knikolla | though* | 16:20 |
knikolla | of* | 16:20 |
kmalloc | so, silly question: can you horizontally scale mixmatch, one per service? | 16:21 |
knikolla | yes. | 16:21 |
kmalloc | one for cinder, one for nova, one for neutron [or a mix of those] | 16:21 |
kmalloc | cool. | 16:21 |
kmalloc | i worry about a single-point-of-failure that does everything(tm) from a design perspective | 16:21 |
kmalloc | and "recommended method of deployment" | 16:21 |
knikolla | you can even have multiple per service. | 16:22 |
knikolla | it's a flask app with a sqlite db for caching where things are. and memcached for caching credentials. | 16:22 |
kmalloc | load balanced or do you mean, CinderX and CinderY, the same way you'd have multiple cinders today [does that even work?] | 16:22 |
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knikolla | load balanced | 16:22 |
kmalloc | ok. | 16:22 |
kmalloc | so you'd have HA, but at 10000 cinders we have issues [extreme case] | 16:23 |
kmalloc | but that is a scale issue not a "functional" issue | 16:23 |
kmalloc | ok, so back to the meeting topic | 16:24 |
kmalloc | what is the pitch besides "hey i have cool tech"? | 16:24 |
kmalloc | is this "accept this into keystone as a project owned and under openstack" [officail + working with TC] or something else? | 16:24 |
knikolla | the pitch is "this could solve one use case people have been screaming for with small changes" | 16:25 |
knikolla | does it make sense to pursue that use case | 16:25 |
* kmalloc puts down that he has a vested interest due to his employer in this kind of project. | 16:25 | |
kmalloc | full disclosure | 16:25 |
knikolla | there's the edge use case where it would allow you in an edge cloud to fetch images from a "home" cloud | 16:25 |
knikolla | through k2k | 16:26 |
kmalloc | right. | 16:26 |
lbragstad | knikolla: would it require keystone to own the code? would it be a new feature? would it be a new project under the identity umbrella? | 16:26 |
knikolla | without having a glance server there | 16:26 |
kmalloc | lbragstad: i would assume it remains a separate repo, it's isolated code, just under our umbrella if we drive down this path | 16:26 |
kmalloc | i wouldn't want it "in" keystone. | 16:26 |
knikolla | ++ | 16:27 |
kmalloc | keystone server, that is, because it can then be isolated security concerns | 16:27 |
lbragstad | ok - are there docs on mixmatch? | 16:27 |
kmalloc | it is a consumer of keystone, just like anything else. | 16:27 |
lbragstad | like - how it works with keystone? | 16:27 |
knikolla | i know ayoung was excited about a general purpose service mesh proxy like istio | 16:27 |
knikolla | but this is probably not THAT general purpose | 16:27 |
lbragstad | like how it fits architecturally with everything else? | 16:27 |
knikolla | mixmatch.readthedocs.io | 16:27 |
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lbragstad | #link http://mixmatch.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference.html | 16:28 |
ayoung | knikolla, I wasn't excite. I never get excited. | 16:28 |
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knikolla | there he is | 16:28 |
ayoung | I'm not 100% sure that access tags would really be either necessary nor sufficient | 16:29 |
knikolla | (assume the docs have faults, i have been running low on interns to update them) | 16:29 |
ayoung | what I am learning is that there are a lot of rules people want to be able to put on the resources | 16:29 |
kmalloc | ayoung: right, but it was highlighted as a similar case (brain thinking wise) | 16:29 |
kmalloc | regardless if we drive down that path | 16:29 |
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lbragstad | knikolla: has this idea been socialized anywhere besides irc? | 16:29 |
ayoung | one thing to evaluate is OPA | 16:29 |
lbragstad | mailing lists or whatnot? | 16:29 |
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ayoung | Istio + OPA is a viable approach for a microservice mesh, might be something we make optional but supported? | 16:30 |
knikolla | lbragstad: the proxy in general or the fine grained permissions use case? | 16:30 |
lbragstad | the use case we are discussing here | 16:30 |
hrybacki | we are in the very early stages of exploring OPA fwiw | 16:30 |
hrybacki | we being my downstream team | 16:31 |
knikolla | lbragstad: no. | 16:31 |
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lbragstad | ok | 16:32 |
lbragstad | it seems interesting, and i can see the use case | 16:32 |
lbragstad | but it would be nice to gauge interest, too | 16:32 |
lbragstad | especially if keystone is going to own it | 16:32 |
knikolla | if keystone owns it i'm by implication almost 100% on keystone, haha | 16:33 |
lbragstad | well - that's a good reason to own it, but i'm biased :) | 16:33 |
lbragstad | i'd like to know a little more about how it works and how it fits in with various pieces | 16:34 |
lbragstad | but i'll go read the docs | 16:34 |
lbragstad | and probably come back with questions | 16:34 |
kmalloc | ++ | 16:35 |
kmalloc | i agree i need more time with it | 16:35 |
lbragstad | does anyone else have questions on this? | 16:35 |
knikolla | please do, anything just ping me | 16:35 |
kmalloc | but tentatively i think it could fit within keystone's umbrella | 16:35 |
lbragstad | knikolla: do you have anything else to share? | 16:35 |
kmalloc | or potentially closer to KSM's umbrella. | 16:35 |
kmalloc | but same thing | 16:35 |
knikolla | i was thinking about KSM and how it could interact with it. | 16:36 |
* knikolla hands over the mic. | 16:36 | |
knikolla | ping me on -keystone anytime about questions. | 16:36 |
lbragstad | sounds good | 16:36 |
lbragstad | thanks for bringing it up | 16:36 |
kmalloc | it also [might] be something that doesn't need to be a full fledged service | 16:36 |
kmalloc | but something we could wrap into a library if we wanted to bake it in [something around ksa] | 16:37 |
lbragstad | i'm going to jump into the next topic since we have several other things to get through | 16:37 |
kmalloc | but that requires code changes in the other services. | 16:37 |
lbragstad | we can circle back in open discussion if that's cool | 16:37 |
* kmalloc lets the topic change | 16:37 | |
lbragstad | #topic auditing improvements | 16:37 |
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lbragstad | i dont see rm_work around | 16:37 |
kmalloc | yeah. | 16:37 |
lbragstad | but context is that he wants to propose adding soft deletes to keystone API | 16:38 |
lbragstad | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-keystone/%23openstack-keystone.2018-05-29.log.html#t2018-05-29T20:42:15 | 16:38 |
ayoung | soft deletes good | 16:38 |
lbragstad | in case anyone is interested or curious ^ | 16:38 |
lbragstad | but if he shows up, i'll let him make his case | 16:38 |
kmalloc | i still hate soft deletes as a concept | 16:38 |
kmalloc | i would accept the code/spec if someone wants to move forward with it | 16:38 |
lbragstad | i pinged him in -keystone, but we'll see if we can catch him later | 16:39 |
cmurphy | is this related to resource cleanup? | 16:39 |
kmalloc | cmurphy: i think it is. | 16:39 |
ayoung | kmalloc, once someone claims a project ID, that ID is a fact that we should not delete. Least not for a long long while | 16:39 |
lbragstad | kind of | 16:39 |
kmalloc | from the eavesdrop | 16:39 |
lbragstad | i asked about that, and i had a hard time getting a straight answer | 16:39 |
lbragstad | it sounds like it was, but it wasn't | 16:39 |
ayoung | think of it like the requirements that a company keep their files for X number of years | 16:39 |
kmalloc | ayoung: i expect we never will have a project id collision with uuid4 | 16:39 |
kmalloc | FTR, i am 100% against issuing tokens for "deleted" [soft or otherwise] projects | 16:40 |
ayoung | not collision | 16:40 |
lbragstad | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-keystone/%23openstack-keystone.2018-05-29.log.html#t2018-05-29T21:13:18 | 16:40 |
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kmalloc | but i don't really care if we keep records around. | 16:40 |
lbragstad | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-keystone/%23openstack-keystone.2018-05-29.log.html#t2018-05-29T21:21:52 | 16:40 |
ayoung | it is a record that user X had project Y and that we can recreate, and if needs be, perform operations in the cloud based on that ID in the future | 16:40 |
kmalloc | recreation is unlikely to be reasonably supportable in many cases [without implicit renameing] | 16:41 |
kmalloc | well, s/recreation/undelete | 16:41 |
kmalloc | lets not say it's being recreated | 16:41 |
kmalloc | because it really isn't | 16:41 |
kmalloc | if we want to add a "deleted" column to projects and make DELETE call just set that value, i'm really not terribly unhappy with the idea. | 16:42 |
gagehugo | I assume a "deleted" project would be considered "disabled" as well? so we wouldn't issue tokens for it | 16:42 |
kmalloc | and let cloud ops undelete/look into history. | 16:42 |
lbragstad | as i thought about this, the bit the felt weird is that we have enabled/disabled, and now we'd be adding soft delets to the mix | 16:42 |
kmalloc | lbragstad: nah, we supplant "soft delete" with our hard delete | 16:42 |
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kmalloc | and track deleted time with a "cleanup" option so "remove records for projects with deleted and deleted before <datetime> | 16:43 |
lbragstad | so what's the difference between soft delete and disabled? | 16:43 |
kmalloc | disabled doesn't free name | 16:43 |
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kmalloc | disabled is "the project exists but is unusable" | 16:44 |
kmalloc | deleted is "the project effectively doesn't exist" | 16:44 |
kmalloc | i would still purge roles/access etc | 16:44 |
kmalloc | with deleted | 16:44 |
kmalloc | you just maintain the project record and we allow cloud admin to introspect projects that are deleted. | 16:44 |
kmalloc | [when, by whom, etc] | 16:44 |
hrybacki | have to drop early to make an appt, sorry all! | 16:44 |
kmalloc | hrybacki: have a good one man | 16:45 |
gagehugo | couldn't we emit a cadf notification with that info? | 16:45 |
hrybacki | thanks kmalloc ! | 16:45 |
hrybacki | o/ | 16:45 |
gagehugo | project deleted [who, when, other] | 16:45 |
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kmalloc | we can. but maintaining the project record could be useful | 16:45 |
kmalloc | cadf notifications are ... lets say ephemeral to be nice | 16:46 |
kmalloc | they sometimes miss, or are missed | 16:46 |
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knikolla | ++ agree with kmalloc | 16:46 |
lbragstad | well - YMMV with notifications | 16:46 |
kmalloc | the change we're looking at here is a db migration for a couple new columns and changing the internal behavior of delete | 16:46 |
lbragstad | one of the use cases rm_work brought up was around doing something with orphaned resources | 16:46 |
lbragstad | once something consumes a notification for a deleted project, the project is already gone | 16:47 |
gagehugo | true | 16:47 |
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knikolla | can't an admin token effectively just work for deleting them regardless of project deletion? | 16:47 |
kmalloc | delete would stil do everything you'd expect, except it wouldn't remove records. | 16:47 |
kmalloc | knikolla: not in all projects | 16:47 |
kmalloc | s/projects/services | 16:48 |
kmalloc | it's hit and miss | 16:48 |
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kmalloc | i'm less worried [right now] about the resource cleanup, i'll want proposals on how to address security concerns | 16:48 |
kmalloc | but i'm fine with maintaining records in the db [with a purge action/api, based upon "datetime"] if that is what folks want | 16:49 |
kmalloc | for audit/etc | 16:49 |
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kmalloc | the key is you'll be able to see the ids and whatnot | 16:49 |
kmalloc | right now, you may not know how long VM X has supposed to be dead because the project is gone | 16:49 |
kmalloc | when was it deleted? | 16:49 |
kmalloc | or if there was a network event that caused you to miss the "delete project" event | 16:49 |
lbragstad | thats another concern with notifications | 16:50 |
kmalloc | the way i'd accept this proposal is if we are changing the delete behavior to maintain rows | 16:50 |
kmalloc | and records | 16:50 |
kmalloc | not "add another form of delete": | 16:50 |
kmalloc | that is special and magical | 16:50 |
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lbragstad | either way - i wanted to share the context | 16:50 |
lbragstad | because it sounds like rm_work would be interested in doing this depending on our reactions | 16:51 |
kmalloc | and if rm_work or someone else wants to do it, i'll happily review spec/code | 16:51 |
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lbragstad | but - something to think about if you think this is something that is useful | 16:52 |
lbragstad | #topic default roles work has begun | 16:52 |
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lbragstad | thanks hrybacki for getting this stuff rolling | 16:52 |
lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572243/ | 16:52 |
lbragstad | nice to see implementations coming through | 16:53 |
lbragstad | i think he just wanted to get this on people's radar | 16:53 |
knikolla | awesome! | 16:53 |
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lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 16:53 |
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lbragstad | we have a few minutes left if folks have questions | 16:53 |
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gagehugo | what should I eat for lunch? | 16:55 |
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knikolla | teriyaki spicy chicken | 16:55 |
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knikolla | that's what i just ordered for delivery | 16:55 |
kmalloc | gagehugo: pho | 16:56 |
kmalloc | gagehugo: it's a pho kind of day | 16:56 |
gagehugo | both sound good | 16:56 |
lbragstad | everyday is a pho kind of day | 16:56 |
kmalloc | lbragstad: ++ | 16:56 |
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lbragstad | if we don't have anything else - we can call it a few minutes early | 16:57 |
* kmalloc goes and submits a new laptop refresh to red hat... so the nag emails stop =/ | 16:57 | |
kmalloc | with my few extra minutes | 16:57 |
lbragstad | thanks for coming, i appreciate it! | 16:57 |
lbragstad | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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hogepodge | #startmeeting refstack | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 5 17:00:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 17:00 |
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hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-18-06-05 agenda | 17:00 |
hogepodge | #chair tosky | 17:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge tosky | 17:00 |
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hogepodge | We'll give it a minute or two for people to check in. | 17:01 |
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tosky | o/ | 17:01 |
hogepodge | guess it's just us? | 17:03 |
hogepodge | Maybe just a quick update on the autoconfig work. Looks like a lot has happened. | 17:04 |
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hogepodge | #topic tempest autoconfig | 17:04 |
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tosky | grrr, small disconnection | 17:05 |
tosky | did I miss anything? | 17:06 |
hogepodge | Nope, it's just us. Figured we'd do a quick catch-up on the autoconfig stuff. | 17:06 |
hogepodge | looks like a lot has been happening, and I was also wondering on the status of the refstack-client integration | 17:06 |
tosky | there is a patch for the refstack-client integration which can't be merged until the API provided by tempestconf is stable | 17:07 |
tosky | (or it will be very complicated later) | 17:07 |
tosky | but we are almost there | 17:07 |
tosky | Chandan is testing: | 17:08 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541273/ Generate tempest.conf automatically using refstack-client | 17:08 |
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hogepodge | tosky: what's the roadmap for stable tempestconf api? | 17:08 |
tosky | close | 17:09 |
tosky | I mean, it looked like it was almost done, but there was a recent change that came out during the refactoring | 17:10 |
hogepodge | what was the change? | 17:10 |
tosky | a parameter name | 17:10 |
tosky | one moment | 17:10 |
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hogepodge | ok | 17:11 |
tosky | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570799/ | 17:11 |
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tosky | now the work is mostly on the internal part of tempestconf, I don't foresee new big changes, but the new release will be done when the refactoring is a bit more stable | 17:12 |
tosky | still close | 17:12 |
tosky | the following review is directly related to the integration: | 17:12 |
hogepodge | ok | 17:13 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570781/ Generate accounts.yaml | 17:13 |
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tosky | and also (as it helps non-admin users): | 17:13 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568252/ Allow non admin users to upload image to glance | 17:13 |
hogepodge | we're trying to wrap up a bunch of refstack work and put in into maintenance as much as we can | 17:13 |
tosky | other reviews are part of the refactoring, and we still miss some bits; the goal is to isolate the configuration of each service in a class | 17:14 |
tosky | namely: | 17:14 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570876/ Move configuring of services to services class | 17:14 |
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tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568869/ Use healthcheck api to determine swift service | 17:15 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571981/ List and create swift roles | 17:15 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572418/ Remove default-overrides.conf | 17:15 |
hogepodge | that makes sense | 17:15 |
tosky | two are trivial documentation changes: | 17:15 |
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tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572439/ fix url | 17:15 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572438/ Fix broken link in readme | 17:15 |
tosky | (which will probably land soon) | 17:15 |
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tosky | and finally, other reviews are work in progress by other people, like: | 17:16 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571177/ Configure tempest for Octavia tests | 17:16 |
tosky | or testing only/WIP, like | 17:16 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570524/ [DNM] patch to test backward compatibilty/ container check | 17:16 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571985/ [DNM] Enable swift service | 17:16 |
tosky | finally, those two will require heavy changes if the authors are still interested in them (now merge conflict): | 17:17 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519714/ WIP: Add EC2-API supportMerge Conflict | 17:17 |
tosky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528380/ Make tempest setup image verification aware | 17:17 |
tosky | about the stories created during the summit, one is done: | 17:17 |
tosky | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001695 Fix tempestconf job having demo user | 17:18 |
tosky | one is under review: | 17:18 |
tosky | (one of the review above) | 17:18 |
tosky | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001693 Generate accounts.yaml when --os-cloud is used with python-tempestconf | 17:18 |
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tosky | and the last one is WIP too (one task merged, two in progress, even if not marked as such - one is a duplicate) | 17:19 |
tosky | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001696 Refactor tempestconf in order to integrate with refstack_client tool | 17:20 |
tosky | and that's it from my side | 17:20 |
hogepodge | All looks good. Thanks for the update! | 17:20 |
tosky | when you say wrap up refstack work, do you include also refstack-client? | 17:20 |
hogepodge | #topic refstack | 17:21 |
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hogepodge | So there are a few things on the RefStack side | 17:21 |
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hogepodge | We need to do some basic maintenance, like get the javascript libraries up to date | 17:21 |
hogepodge | have in installation mechanism in place for them that has longer-term support | 17:21 |
hogepodge | enable uploading of subunit data (and build that into the refstack-client) | 17:22 |
hogepodge | tempest auto-config in refstack-client | 17:22 |
hogepodge | Once the server API is stabilized, I would see most of the work that comes after as being improvements to the client | 17:22 |
hogepodge | problem is resources to work on everything | 17:23 |
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hogepodge | That's pretty much it | 17:25 |
hogepodge | Any questions? | 17:25 |
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tosky | I see; no questions | 17:27 |
mguiney | re: the js updates | 17:27 |
mguiney | i'm just working out a few of the quirks with webpack, hoping to get it done relatively quickly | 17:28 |
mguiney | (sorry for late response, i was staring at #refstack for some reason, instead of this channel | 17:28 |
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mguiney | ) | 17:28 |
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hogepodge | ok | 17:30 |
tosky | I'm sorry, I need to go away from the keyboard, but I will read the logs | 17:30 |
hogepodge | Thanks. Anything else? | 17:30 |
hogepodge | tosky: ack. Thanks for the update | 17:30 |
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hogepodge | Ok, we'll call it a meeting then. Thanks tosky and mguiney | 17:32 |
hogepodge | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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mguiney | o7 | 17:33 |
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