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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 14 15:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
| erlon_ | hey | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc vgreen | 15:00 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:01 |
| tbarron | #info agenda here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Weekly_Manila_team_meeting | 15:01 |
| vgreen | hello | 15:02 |
| tbarron | At erlon's prompting I put the courtesy ping list | 15:02 |
| tbarron | at the top of the meeting wiki | 15:02 |
| erlon_ | tbarron, thanks1! | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Please add (or remove) yourself as you deem fit. | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
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| tbarron | last week was milestone 2 so we cut an M2 relase for manila | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | and updated corresponding releases for python-manilaclient and manila-ui | 15:03 |
| tbarron | MileStone 3 is July 26 | 15:04 |
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| tbarron | Anyone have any other announcements? | 15:04 |
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| tbarron | #topic feature spec work | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "feature spec work (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | This should be our first priority for reviews now! | 15:05 |
| tbarron | But we don't have much action atm. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572283/ | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563429/ | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570708 | 15:06 |
| tbarron | ok, enough scolding :) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #topic China Bug Smash | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "China Bug Smash (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-8-beijing | 15:08 |
| bswartz | These 3 changes are not too huge | 15:08 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-Rocky-Beijing-Bugs-List | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: agree, let's all spend some time on them soon | 15:08 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: you had this topic | 15:08 |
| * tbarron passes gouthamr coffee | 15:09 | |
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| tbarron | it's quite early in Seattle, but please take a look at the links above and | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | hello.. this would probably need zhongjun's intro more than mine, but i can give it a shot | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | there's a bugsmash in China soon, and we should be looking to target bugs that attendees can smash for us | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun needs coffee more than gouthamr does | 15:11 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: quite right, you added the topic, and zhongjun_ please step in as appropriate | 15:11 |
| zhongjun_ | :D | 15:11 |
| zhongjun_ | I will attend remote bug smash | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | as you're aware, last year's Wuhan bugsmash did bring in quite a few new contributors to manila (thanks zhongjun_) | 15:11 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: so we can add our favorite bugs to the list posted above? | 15:11 |
| zhongjun_ | Hope we could targe more bugs in bugsmash | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | #LINK: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenSource-Hackathon-Rocky-Beijing-Bugs-List | 15:12 |
| tbarron | and when is the bug smash exactly? | 15:13 |
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| gouthamr | our bug-liaison is away on some important business | 15:13 |
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| tbarron | hey amito! | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | so the rest of us slackers should do the hard work of identifying actionable bugs | 15:14 |
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| amito | hey tbarron | 15:14 |
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| zhongjun_ | 19 June ~ 20 June | 15:14 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: thanks, I see it in the first link now :D | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | so we should populate that list by the end of this week | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | so that people attending the bug smash can look in advance and | 15:15 |
| tbarron | so that we don't have to figure out exactly when next Tuesday and Wednesday are Beijing-timezone | 15:16 |
| tbarron | I will add my favorites and encourage others to do so as well. | 15:16 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: thank you for making the wuhan smash such a success! | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun_++ | 15:17 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: It's my pleasure | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | tbarron zhongjun_: were 99cloud the guys with the out-of-tree GlusterFS driver? | 15:17 |
| tbarron | China Mobile | 15:17 |
| tbarron | not sure what domain reviews show up under though | 15:18 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: ? | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | Well we can take that one offline to this meeting. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | Anything thing else on the upcoming bug smash? | 15:19 |
| zhongjun_ | Maybe they just use it | 15:20 |
| tbarron | yeah | 15:20 |
| tbarron | OK | 15:20 |
| tbarron | #topic Change Review guide | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Change Review guide (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr you added this one :) | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574888 | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | thanks tbarron.. i did, just as an FYI to all of us | 15:21 |
| tbarron | It's a followup on the "culture shift" aspect that we touched on in the Summit recap last week | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | that addendum to the project team guide is an interesting/educating read | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | to newcomers and openstack veterans alike, imo :) | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | yeah, if your management wants you to get great stackalytics review stats with a big -1 count refer them to this review :D | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | bswartz sharpens his sword | 15:24 |
| tbarron | Nothing here is about relaxation of standards, it's about *how* we keep quality in the product and encourage participation at the same time | 15:24 |
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| erlon_ | tbarron, +1 | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | If your management cares about stackalytics it's time to get new management | 15:25 |
| tbarron | I was impressed by the author's reasoning and appeal to actual experience working in OpenStack | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Just sayin | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:25 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:25 |
| erlon_ | haha | 15:26 |
| zhongjun_ | lol | 15:26 |
| tbarron | Please read it over if you are reviewing, and everyone here should be reviewing :D | 15:26 |
| tbarron | We can talk about aspects of it on #openstack-manila, honest discussion. | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | You don't have to agree with every point to participate :D | 15:27 |
| tbarron | Anything else on this topic? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | #topic storyboard again | 15:28 |
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| tbarron | Some time ago diablorojo came to our meeting and gave us the pitch for storyboard. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | She did a test migration launchpad to storyboard. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | At the time there were a number of rough edges that we noted and that were noted by, e.g. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | the cinder community. | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | They have made some progress and there has been a useful discussion of storyboard vs launchpad on the openstack-dev list | 15:30 |
| tbarron | One thing that became clearer to me is that storyboard is a lower level tool than launchpad. | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | It is less prescriptive, structured. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | That is a virtue for people who want to do stuff that launchpad won't let them do but | 15:31 |
| tbarron | it means that we would need to build our own "worklists", "boards", tag conventions, etc. and | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | post these publicly to have some canned procedures, as it were, that | 15:32 |
| bswartz | How much help is infra offering on those activities? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | would give us the same capabilities as launchpad. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | infra is pretty busy and believes each project should figure out what it wants and do it | 15:32 |
| tbarron | SO | 15:32 |
| bswartz | Is there good documentation/samples on how to do these things w/ storyboard? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo is going to make a manila storyboard sandbox with our existing launchpad bugs migrated | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | I will see if I can make some "worklists" and "boards" that give us basic bugs targeted at milestone and blueprints targeted at milestone capability | 15:34 |
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| tbarron | and some templates for making "stories" that are bugs or that are blueprints | 15:34 |
| tbarron | Others are welcome to join. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | What other basic launchpad capability do we not want to lose? | 15:34 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I think we can look at the way infra team and release team are using storyboard today and may get some good samples that way | 15:35 |
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| tbarron | I'd like eventually to make Boards (like Trello boards for those familiar with that tool) that | 15:36 |
| tbarron | gather inputs automatically (storboard integrates well with gerrit) | 15:37 |
| tbarron | that will give us dashboards that can replace many of the ad-hoc etherpads we use for tracking e.g. | 15:37 |
| tbarron | specs for M1 deadline | 15:37 |
| tbarron | feature work for M3 | 15:37 |
| tbarron | drivers for M2 submission cutoff | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | Let's talk about bugs! for our meeting | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | i think it'll be a long drawn issue reorienting our users to report bugs on Storyboard | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | i.e, create stories | 15:39 |
| tbarron | Well there will be a redirect on the launchpad page to storyboard but | 15:39 |
| tbarron | I'd like it to point to a bug report template | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes, and i don't see an option to upload logs | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: so we'll need that, or a way to link to some other upload log solution | 15:41 |
| bswartz | There's just not a lot of good selling points for making this switch | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | which may be a bummer ... but we might discover other issues with the sandbox | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'm in favor of continuing to send feedback about making storyboard better, with an eye to using it someday | 15:42 |
| tbarron | bswartz: the main selling point for me will be if we can do stuff we want to do that we can't do with launchpad but | 15:42 |
| tbarron | before getting there we have to show that we aren't missing anything essential that we can do with launchpad | 15:42 |
| bswartz | But if it's an obvious step backwards, why would we choose to do it this cycle? | 15:42 |
| tbarron | I didn't say this cycle. I said let's get a sandbox. | 15:43 |
| tbarron | And see if it's an obvious step back or not. | 15:43 |
| bswartz | Okay I thought the sandbox was step 1 to actually migrating | 15:43 |
| tbarron | It's not obvious to me that it's a step backwards if we can build the stuff we need. | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I'm +1 on evaulating and offering feedback | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | +1 on evolvulating | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | Anyone have any other concerns with the sandbox and evaluating? | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | OK, once we get the sandbox going we can have something concrete to point to next time we put this topic on the agenda. | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:46 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:46 | |
| tbarron | It looks like a nice wizard updated the etherpad while our bug czar is out | 15:46 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:47 |
| vgreen | three of those bugs are still new and usassigned | 15:47 |
| * tbarron thinks vgreen is the wizard | 15:47 | |
| tbarron | vgreen take it away | 15:47 |
| * vgreen things otherwise | 15:47 | |
| vgreen | umm... | 15:48 |
| vgreen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1699856 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1699856 in Manila "Tempest tests missing adding Security service to share-network" [Undecided,New] | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." --Tolkien | 15:48 |
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| tbarron | :D | 15:48 |
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| gouthamr | i vaguely recall 1699856 | 15:49 |
| bswartz | This is kind of a test RFE | 15:49 |
| tbarron | so 1699856 has been around a year now | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I suspect the test works as written in some cases but not others | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | i think the issue here is we're not testing security services with DHSS=True in the right way | 15:49 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: +1 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | The security service may be optional for the generic driver, but it shouldn't be | 15:50 |
| vgreen | gouthamr, qe doesn't usually set our tests to true | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | we can't really do this in the gate yet, because none of the open source drivers support security services | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: right, because it runs (or should run) CIFS tests | 15:50 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: what about the generic driver ? | 15:51 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: no support for security services in the generic driver | 15:51 |
| tbarron | How do we get this discussion into the launchpad but and get it triaged? | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | there was something proposed last cycle, but we didn't review it yet | 15:52 |
| tbarron | launchpad bug | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498490/ | 15:52 |
| ganso | I mean, what's the point of saying a driver supports CIFS if it doesn't test with security services? we can conclude that the generic driver doesn't really support CIFS | 15:52 |
| ganso | gouthamr: that's a great work-in-progress patch | 15:53 |
| tbarron | So right now the bug is NEW state, has none of this info (including reference to that patch), and is a year old | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | We don't have to have the solution to get the next step done, to triage it | 15:54 |
| tbarron | Volunteer to capture the above discussion, WIP patch, etc? | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | I'll do it | 15:55 |
| tbarron | bswartz: thanks much! | 15:55 |
| vgreen | ok, next one https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1705087 | 15:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705087 in Manila "manila-ui crashes dashboard" [Undecided,New] | 15:55 |
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| tbarron | OK the quota infra in horizon changed on us since then. | 15:56 |
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| tbarron | I'll take this one and ask if he can repro the problem in queens or later. | 15:57 |
| vgreen | ok, sounds good... https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1772647 | 15:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1772647 in Manila "ensure_shares cannot check hash" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Rodrigo Barbieri (rodrigo-barbieri2010) | 15:57 |
| ganso | hmm why is that bug in the list? | 15:57 |
| tbarron | It's not clear that we have any resources to fix old manila-ui issues though if someone wants to volunteer that would be awesome. | 15:57 |
| tbarron | ganso: b/c it has your name on it | 15:57 |
| ganso | no I mean, I thought only bugs that nobody is working on should be on the list | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | ganso: my bad, i didn't see it was assigned | 15:58 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz already fix it in his patch, right? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | what? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Sorry I was typing in LP | 15:58 |
| zhongjun_ | fix ensure_shares cannot check hash | 15:58 |
| * gouthamr thinks "what?" is a reasonable response to an LP | 15:59 | |
| tbarron | time check | 15:59 |
| bswartz | This is a new bug | 15:59 |
| bswartz | ganso is working on it | 15:59 |
| ganso | yup | 15:59 |
| tbarron | yup | 15:59 |
| tbarron | jinx | 15:59 |
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| ganso | ll | 16:00 |
| tbarron | ok, time's up for today | 16:00 |
| ganso | s/ll/lol | 16:00 |
| bswartz | Take it off the list | 16:00 |
| tbarron | Thanks all!!! | 16:00 |
| zhongjun_ | oh | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 14 16:00:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-06-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-06-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-06-14-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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