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| masahito | hi, time to blazar meeting | 09:00 |
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| masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 19 09:00:47 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| masahito | #topic RollCall | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | o/ | 09:01 |
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| masahito | today's agenda is | 09:01 |
| masahito | 1. blazarclient 1.1.1 | 09:01 |
| masahito | 2. API changes | 09:01 |
| masahito | 3. AOB | 09:01 |
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| masahito | anything else? | 09:01 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: hi | 09:02 |
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| priteau | Hello! | 09:02 |
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| bertys | hi all | 09:02 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | hi all! | 09:02 |
| tetsuro | hi | 09:02 |
| masahito | priteau, bertys, tetsuro: hi | 09:03 |
| masahito | #topic blazarclient 1.1.1 | 09:03 |
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| masahito | Just a fyi, as we talked in the last meeting, I pushed a patch for blazarclient 1.1.1. | 09:03 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576402/ | 09:03 |
| masahito | The release includes the bug fix for multi region selection. | 09:04 |
| masahito | any comments? | 09:04 |
| priteau | Thanks masahito. I am working on setting up release notes for python-blazarclient, hoping to push it later today. I am not sure if this release commit will need to change. | 09:05 |
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| masahito | priteau: thanks the note! Mainstream of the fix is for 2.0.0. I think it's okay to merge your patch later. | 09:06 |
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| masahito | #topic API change | 09:07 |
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| masahito | priteau and I talked the changes for API response in this patch. | 09:07 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/573647/ | 09:07 |
| masahito | To follow the API guideline strictly, it looks like we need version up to changing response code. | 09:08 |
| masahito | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/api_interoperability.html#evaluating-api-changes | 09:08 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | I don’t think this kind of bug fix needs API version change | 09:09 |
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| priteau | I am not necessarily saying that we should strictly follow the API guidelines, but we should all agree on the approach | 09:10 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | The response code 403 was not intended. | 09:10 |
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| priteau | Because Blazar doesn't have much adoption yet, it's better if we can make those API changes early | 09:10 |
| masahito | priteau: right. | 09:11 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi_: the intent of the guideline is that there might be some users catching a 403, because that's the current response | 09:11 |
| priteau | For example, on Chameleon, we have client code that knows that a 500 error returned by Blazar often means that no hosts are available | 09:11 |
| masahito | we have 3 types of change for the API in general. 1. Add new API schema, 2. add new key or query for the existing APIs and 3. change response code. | 09:12 |
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| masahito | priteau: IMHO, that's why the guideline was defined. | 09:12 |
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| masahito | to prevent the client(meaning CLI, GUI or users workflow) break. | 09:13 |
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| priteau | Yes, that's my understanding. Though, for Blazar, realistically how many users are currently catching this 403 and wouldn't work with a 400? Probably none. | 09:14 |
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| priteau | But as we are an official project now, I wanted to discuss and check whether we had to follow these guidelines | 09:14 |
| masahito | IMO, priteau's situation is great feadbacks for us. So Blazar's change should follow the feedback. | 09:14 |
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| masahito | right. | 09:15 |
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| priteau | masahito: I think it should be fine to change response codes as long as there is a release note documenting it | 09:15 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | If we follow the guideline, does masa’s patch need Version update? | 09:16 |
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| masahito | If you're ok, I'd like to fix the response code following API reference as much as possible in R or S cycle. | 09:16 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | oh, sorry. thanks masahito! | 09:17 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi_: To follow the API guidelines, yes, we would need a version update. But if we all agree that we don't have to strictly follow the guideline for now (and if that's allowed for an official project), then we can make minor changes to the API without bumping the version. | 09:17 |
| masahito | And later that release, we could follow the guidline more strictly than now. | 09:18 |
| priteau | +1 | 09:18 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi_: priteau's opition is right. The guideline assume the microversion API Nova or Neutron has already introduced. | 09:18 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Got it. I agree. let’s correct response code and document it in release notes. After that, let’s follow the guideline | 09:19 |
| priteau | bertys, tetsur___, what do you think? | 09:20 |
| masahito | priteau: thanks. | 09:20 |
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| tetsur___ | Having microversion now would be cheap but not free. | 09:20 |
| bertys | priteau: ok for me. | 09:21 |
| masahito | we would put the microversioning on the table for S cycle :-) | 09:21 |
| tetsur___ | so I'm good with the conclusion to clean codes first with release notes, so that works for me. | 09:22 |
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| masahito | tetsur___: means you volunteer? | 09:22 |
| bertys | masahito: this is still not a community goal AFAIK https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/community-goals | 09:22 |
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| bertys | masahito: maybe immediate action item is to add blazar to https://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/quick-start/? | 09:23 |
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| bertys | we do have https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/reservation/ | 09:23 |
| priteau | bertys: Good catch! | 09:23 |
| masahito | bertys: right, the S release goals would be storyboard migration and cold upgrade. | 09:24 |
| masahito | bertys: And I thought there is already the link to the API reference. Thanks for letting me know. | 09:24 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | bertys: I didn’t notice it. Thanks! | 09:25 |
| masahito | the doc links are very complicated ;-0 | 09:26 |
| masahito | #agreed refactor response code as soon as possible, then follow the API guideline | 09:26 |
| tetsur___ | masahito: I can work on cleaning response codes, started with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575271/ so far :) | 09:27 |
| masahito | tetsur___: Great! | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | thanks tetsur___! | 09:27 |
| masahito | #todo Add a link to the API reference page | 09:27 |
| masahito | any comment? | 09:27 |
| masahito | #topic AOB | 09:29 |
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| priteau | Also agreed write release notes? | 09:29 |
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| masahito | of course | 09:29 |
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| masahito | #agreed write a releasenote for the response code refactoring | 09:30 |
| masahito | priteau: thanks for the follow up :-) | 09:30 |
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| priteau | I will update my -1s on reviews accordingly | 09:30 |
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| masahito | thank you. | 09:31 |
| -masahito- Does someone have something to share/discuss? | 09:31 | |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | I have 2 updates | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | #1: I pushed a patch for cleaning-time | 09:32 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575021/ | 09:32 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito has already reviwed, thanks! | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | priteau: please check if it meets Chameleon’s operation | 09:34 |
| priteau | I will, though we don't yet use cleaning | 09:34 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | thanks! | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | update #2 is for placement support | 09:35 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | I pushed a spec for placement support | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576343/ | 09:36 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | based on the etherpad. | 09:36 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | some sections are still WIP but I pushed it to start detailed discussion | 09:36 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | The point is that my proposal still depends on the BlazarFilter | 09:37 |
| priteau | Thanks hiro-kobayashi_! | 09:37 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi_: Great jobs! | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | I tried to remove the filter by using traits but it smells bad to cdent | 09:38 |
| masahito | The cleaning time patch looks good to me because it can work even though the config is change later. | 09:38 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | So my proposal is: | 09:38 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | 1st step: support Placement API but still dependes on the filter | 09:39 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | 2nd step: solve the dependency on the filter | 09:39 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | My spec is for the 1st step | 09:40 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Is it okay? | 09:40 |
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| masahito | It sounds reasonable. For the #2, the Placement support needs to care host reservation as well. | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | masahito: yes. the goal is both of host and instance reservation don’t depend on the BlaaFilter | 09:42 |
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| hiro-kobayashi_ | that’s all Updates from me | 09:43 |
| tetsuro | The 1st step sounds sane to me. The filter is needed for today's placement as long as blazar says "we want to keep this node for this user" | 09:43 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi_: Thanks | 09:44 |
| masahito | tetsuro: Is there a BP or a patch that enables Blazar says that? | 09:44 |
| tetsuro | In placement side, no there is not. | 09:45 |
| masahito | got it. sounds we need a proposal. | 09:45 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | ok. tetsuro: please log your comments on the gerrit | 09:47 |
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| masahito | let's review the hiro-kobayashi_'s great patches! | 09:48 |
| tetsuro_ | sorry the network got down | 09:48 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:48 |
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| tetsuro_ | Yup anyway I'll comment on that spec | 09:48 |
| tetsuro_ | I Started contribution to blazar in response refactor (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575271/) I have mentioned above^ and blazar-client (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575686/). | 09:49 |
| tetsuro_ | Would be great to see you on the reviewer lists :) | 09:50 |
| tetsuro_ | that's all. | 09:50 |
| masahito | tetsuro_: Nice works! | 09:50 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | Of course! thank you for starting to contribute to blazar! | 09:50 |
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| masahito | The response code changes has trend in this team :-) | 09:51 |
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| masahito | Blazar team has good improvements. | 09:52 |
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| masahito | OK, looks nothing more. Let's end the meeting early and back to review. | 09:53 |
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| masahito | thanks all. | 09:53 |
| tetsuro_ | thanks! | 09:53 |
| hiro-kobayashi_ | thanks and good bye all! | 09:53 |
| masahito | bye. | 09:53 |
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| masahito | #endmeeting | 09:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 19 09:53:48 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-19-09.00.html | 09:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-19-09.00.txt | 09:53 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-19-09.00.log.html | 09:53 |
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| priteau | Bye everyone | 09:54 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 19 16:00:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
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| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:00 |
| wxy|_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy, sonuk | 16:00 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 16:01 |
| knikolla | i'll be mostly lurking as I'm in another meeting | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | we have a lot to talk about today | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | we'll give folks another minute or two though and then get started | 16:02 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| lbragstad | real quick | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | if you haven't seen yet, we're starting to get a bunch of things in flight | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | (e.g. default roles, unified limits, capability lists, mfa receipts) | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | plenty of things to review if you're looking for something | 16:04 |
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| lbragstad | since I don't see kmalloc yet, we'll wait for him before jumping into the unified limits topics | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: do you want to go through your topics in the mean time? | 16:05 |
| hrybacki | sure | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic Ensure default roles breaking folks | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ensure default roles breaking folks (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:05 | |
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| hrybacki | So, I more or less wanted to ask if we should review ^^ | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572243/ default roles implementation | 16:05 |
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| hrybacki | it sounds like lbragstad has been working with folks from sahara/horizon to resolve the breakages | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576056/ proposed revert | 16:06 |
| cmurphy | so is this just breaking the gate or is this going to affect users? | 16:06 |
| hrybacki | cmurphy: that's hard to say. Role implications concern me a bit more now | 16:06 |
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| lbragstad | from what i've been seeing, it's mostly breaking on tests/infrastructure that makes assumptions about role names and casing | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | but users could also be making those assumptions | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | sure | 16:07 |
| hrybacki | right | 16:07 |
| hrybacki | I'm concerned that folks won't read the release notes, run the bootstrap, and have some implied roles they did not anticipate | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | to be fair, we can only protect against that kind of stuff so much IMO | 16:08 |
| cmurphy | we can't help people who don't read the release notes | 16:08 |
| hrybacki | but I have no idea how to research that. Is it generally accepted that people do read them / it's on them if they dont? | 16:08 |
| hrybacki | okay | 16:08 |
| tosky | related question: was this change on openstack-dev with the [all] tag in the email? | 16:08 |
| hrybacki | well that puts me at ease. Thanks for the push for more verbose reno cmurphy lbragstad | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | it's helps protect us (as bad as that sounds?) | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | i'm not worried any more about surprise implied roles, but i'm worried this bug with the duplicate role name is going to hit people | 16:09 |
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| cmurphy | tosky: no, i don't think we anticipated it breaking people's CI | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | tosky: the approach and specification detailing all of this work has been socialized on the mailing lists since the Denver PTG last year | 16:10 |
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| tosky | lbragstad: with the [all] tag? | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | tosky: no - we didn't use the all tag | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | if i would have expected these types of issues i would have | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130207.html | 16:11 |
| tosky | please don't take it as what's not (it's just a statement), but when something changes in keystone it's pretty much going to hit someone | 16:11 |
| tosky | just a fact | 16:12 |
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| kmalloc | o/ | 16:13 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: that's all I had for that topic | 16:13 |
| cmurphy | well what's the plan though? | 16:13 |
| cmurphy | roll back? or? | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | ^ | 16:13 |
| gagehugo | are we doing the revert, or does the list of changes fix it? | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | IMO we have two options | 16:14 |
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| lbragstad | 1.) roll back and implement case sensitivity for roles | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | 2.) push forward and help clarify assumptions about role names | 16:14 |
| hrybacki | I thought implementing case sensitivity for role names wasn't an option? | 16:14 |
| cmurphy | i'm in favor of 1 but i wonder if that will also break people | 16:14 |
| cmurphy | yeah | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | it could, it's also going to be involved | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | what a mess | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | hrybacki: it isn't if the behavior is already case-insentivie | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | and if we take that approach with role names, we also have to take it with project names and user names, etc..... | 16:15 |
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| tosky | so far, was the fact the roles were not case-sensitive documented somewhere? | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | tosky: documented or not, behavior is our API contract | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | it's a behavior across keystone API - it's not specific to role names | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | and we should document it as well. | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | but changing behavior outside of a security issue is mostly off the table | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | (if we had all our expected behaviors documented more clearly, it would be a different thing) | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | ok - so sounds like we have an action item | 16:17 |
| hrybacki | well if it is an option to enforce the existing behavior across the board I'm a fan | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | FTR: In names for things, i like case preserving, but case-insensitive | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | in APIs. | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | keystone consideres POST /v3/projects {name: Foobar} and POST /v3/projects {name: foobar} a 409 | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | because representing AUser and Auser and auser and auSer as all different things is somewhat painful | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | UX wise. | 16:18 |
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| kmalloc | (not going to argue posix-isms though) | 16:18 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: is that dependent on your database backend? or is it always? | 16:18 |
| gagehugo | kmalloc ++ on case preserving & case insensitive | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | i tested it with mysql | 16:18 |
| tosky | fine as documenting and forcing this, but consider that as a user I never realized this non-case-sensitivness of Keystone | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | i'm not sure about other backends | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: it is... default behavior in mysql. | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | it *could* be changed. | 16:19 |
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| tosky | I've frequently seens and described roles like Member and member, with code to distinguish between both | 16:19 |
| tosky | so this will be a surprise for many people | 16:19 |
| cmurphy | tosky: as a maintainer i didn't realize it either ;) | 16:19 |
| tosky | oh | 16:19 |
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| kmalloc | we would need to swap to varbinary or binary vs varchar etc to ensure case-sensitivity | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | does anyone want to take a shot at writing up a doc patch for our API reference to clarify these bits (for all name resources not just role names) | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | i am unsure about non-MySQL RDBMS varbinary vs varchar | 16:20 |
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| kmalloc | or we could change collation | 16:20 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: yeah i'm concerned that different database backends will cause different api behaviors | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | e.g. utf8mb4_0900_as_cs | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | but that is also MySQL-specific. | 16:21 |
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| lbragstad | ^ that is the suggestion i've been stumbling across a lot | 16:21 |
| lbragstad | but it's operator specific, isn't is? | 16:21 |
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| kmalloc | you can define the column with a collation | 16:22 |
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| lbragstad | ah - so a migration at the very least | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | we could also encode something like that via our queries (will need to look into it) through the ORM | 16:22 |
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| lbragstad | we could also implement this in business logic | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | (trying to remove ambiguity based on the backend being used) | 16:23 |
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| kmalloc | for case-preserving but case-insensitive across all backends, we will need to do something like "lookup-name" and "display-name" | 16:23 |
| kmalloc | where we lower(lookup-name) | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | but that could still be considered backwards incompatible if someone is using a backend that supports case sensitive names | 16:24 |
| kmalloc | i'm ok with backwards incompat for "this is crazypants" | 16:24 |
| kmalloc | we're solidifying behavior (closest aligned with current "general" behavior) | 16:25 |
| lbragstad | we also have stuff like this in our tests - which is misleading https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/unit/test_backend_sql.py#n296 | 16:25 |
| lbragstad | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/unit/test_backend_sql.py#n296 | 16:25 |
| cmurphy | well user is special because ldap right? | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | ftr, looks like PGSQL is case-sensitive by default for string comparison | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | s | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | but that looks like a sql specific test (given it's location) | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | unless you explicitly lower() in the query. | 16:26 |
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| lbragstad | and we do the same thing for projects https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/unit/test_backend_sql.py#n310 | 16:26 |
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| cmurphy | lbragstad: i assume that's because we want to enforce the same behavior between sql and ldap backends | 16:27 |
| cmurphy | did we used to allow ldap as a project backend? | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: long time ago | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | a long time ago we did - i think | 16:27 |
| cmurphy | so that's probably where that's from | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | i pulled up the commit - it was merge like four and a half years ago | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: used to be IDENTITY+ASSIGNMENT was one backend, then we still allowed LDAP assignment, then we split resource/killed ldap assignment | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | keystone used to have a single driver (barring token) back in... folsom? | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | essex | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | all or nothing. | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | ok so. | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | i think the options are: | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | 1) Force Case Insensitivity across all backends [somehow] | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | 2) Force Case Sensitivity across all backends [somehow] | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | 3) Revert change. | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | 4) document inconsistent behavior based upon backend and clarify what we expect | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | we know this had issues with various projects CI | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | but what's the worst case for end users | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | fwiw, we cater to MySQL. I am ok with forcing Case Insensitivity since that is our test-bed. | 16:30 |
| cmurphy | I lean toward 4 I think, the more I think about it the more I think that attempting to recreate the member and/or Member role is more going to be a CI problem than a regular user problem | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | i less ok with 2 and 3. | 16:30 |
| cmurphy | and if they do try to recreate it then it 409s and no harm done | 16:30 |
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| lbragstad | ++ | 16:31 |
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| kmalloc | i think 4 is going to happen in either case - documentation expansion. | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | sure | 16:31 |
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| lbragstad | worst case a deployer already has Member and hrybacki already accounted for that in the patch that implements this | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | right, bootstrap itself isn't 409ing right? it's just the openstack role create Member afterward that does? | 16:32 |
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| lbragstad | correct | 16:32 |
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| lbragstad | we try/except role creation in bootstrap to explicitly handle conflicts | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/cmd/bootstrap.py#n120 | 16:32 |
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| kmalloc | bootstrap is way smarter about that than it needs to be. | 16:33 |
| cmurphy | what's up with this though https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576163 | 16:33 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: but is that case insensitive? It attempts to pull the role based on role name 'member' not 'Member' | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | but it works to our benefit there. | 16:33 |
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| cmurphy | why are those ones case sensitive? | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: JSON is case preserving. | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | and clients/etc all look for case | 16:34 |
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| kmalloc | so Member and member match in MySQL String Comparison | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1777359 | 16:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1777359 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Unable to create a project from horizon on devstack" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | but anything in python wont match Member and member | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | frickler asked me to make some additional changes there so that the names were consistent | 16:34 |
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| kmalloc | this is pushing me towards needing to support case [in]sensitivity directly in keystone | 16:35 |
| lbragstad | that sounds like a long term direction thing | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | and ... based upon emitting data (API) behavior, we might want to do case sensitive (wince) because we can't just lower() all names on output without potentially breaking a lot of things. | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | that we should apply in our api consistently for all resource names | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | and that is a migration to apply that, basically swap varchar -> varbinary or add collation to the queries | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | initially we can just document. | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | but i think we're going to need to be consistent in string matching not just let the DB be "smart enough" [and change behaviors] | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | #action gagehugo to propose a patch that clarifies the behavior with resource names and SQL-based deployments | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | (gagehugo volunteered in -keystone) | 16:38 |
| gagehugo | lol | 16:39 |
| gagehugo | yeah we should document regardless | 16:39 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | #action spin up bug/task[trello] to work on long-term alignment on case-[in]sensitivity within our API (names/other filters specifically) | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | any other action items we need to deal with at the moment? | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: ++ | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | tosky: is there anything you'd like to see in addition to those? | 16:40 |
| tosky | it looks fine, thanks | 16:40 |
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| tosky | (and of course please the support for people trying to understand what to fix and how to fix it) | 16:41 |
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| lbragstad | i'll send a post with [all] today | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | to the -dev mailing list | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | let's circle back to the first topic quick if no one has anything else on this specific topci | 16:42 |
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| lbragstad | #topic Unified Limits Update | 16:43 |
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| lbragstad | kmalloc: raised some concerns about unified limits last week, and thought it would be good to go through them as a group | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | that way we're all on the same page as far as the plan forward goes | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | ok | 16:44 |
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| kmalloc | if you look at the agenda there are some recommended and required changes for the limits backend | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | based upon my understanding after talking it through with lbragstad | 16:44 |
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| kmalloc | 1) we need to index columns we are matching/searching on (e.g. "name") otherwise it gets really ugly | 16:45 |
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| lbragstad | to level set, we have two different tables, one for registered limits and the other for project-specific limits | 16:45 |
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| kmalloc | 2) a FK on a column that is not unique (very mysql-specific, in fact innodb-extension specific, doesn't work on other backends) means that any value in the column that matches is sufficient for the FK. | 16:46 |
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| kmalloc | right now, we have name being non-unique and have a very complex FK between three columns to avoid conflicts. | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | my recommendation is go for data normalization: and eliminate duplicated data in the limit table, and FK to a specific registered_limit | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | instead of FK across to name, service, region[optional] | 16:47 |
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| kmalloc | and duplicate the storage | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | the big change to the backend code is that the registered_limit would need to be looked up (based upon name, service, region) to find the right PK to use as the FK target in the limit table | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | in the etherpad i gave an example of a potential "new" limit model | 16:48 |
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| kmalloc | and when we do the limit lookup, we do the SQLAlchemy joined load, and just build the ref from the registered limit (service_id, region, etc). | 16:49 |
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| kmalloc | and override to_dict and make the model super smart on finding the right registered limit | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | for from_dict. | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | i know... this is super dense. | 16:50 |
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| kmalloc | this is getting into something it took lbragstad and I 30-40 mins via video to hammer out the behaviors and potential issues. | 16:50 |
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| * cmurphy trusts kmalloc is right | 16:50 | |
| wxy|_ | ++ | 16:51 |
| lbragstad | i think this will be good for performance in the long run, too | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | but tl;dr - we need indexes. we can also eliminate duplicated data and simplify the models with some in-code changes/model smarts. | 16:51 |
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| kmalloc | i've tagged each item as recommended/required. the only absolutly required thing is adding indexes | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | the really hard part: data migration. | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | wxy|_: already has a patch up that starts this (thanks!) | 16:52 |
| wxy|_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576025 here is a WIP patch for the Recommendation. the Index, sql model and manage logic are still missing. | 16:52 |
| cmurphy | not duplicating sounds like a win | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | the simplest solution if we break apart and re-make the tables, drop all current data | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | and just create a new set of tables | 16:52 |
| hrybacki | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576025 | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | this is expirmental | 16:52 |
| wxy|_ | the schema change is most done. | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | it is pretty much ok to do that. | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | but i'm also ok with preserving data if we cna migrate cleanly | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | wxy|_: you're doing an awesome job on this :) | 16:53 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 16:53 |
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| cmurphy | it's experimental but dropping all data sounds like an overextension of the definition of experimental | 16:53 |
| wxy|_ | kmalloc: lbragstad: really thanks for the recommendation. | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | i am also going to spin up a change to prevent new tables from having uuid PK columns. | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | unless there is a specific override set. | 16:53 |
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| kmalloc | this change would have been a lot less painful if we also didn't need to change the PK. | 16:54 |
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| kmalloc | (we don't, but uuid pks are bad(tm)) | 16:54 |
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| kmalloc | anyway. in short, please review wxy's change. come bug me if you need insight into what we're doing and why | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | and can't divine it from the code changes. | 16:55 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: maybe you could write up a little guidance on why no more uuid pks in https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/latest/contributor/ ? | 16:56 |
| cmurphy | so we don't keep making the mistake | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | sure. i'll also cover it in the error that is generated when a table is added with a uuid pk | 16:56 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | we should walk through options for the migration though | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | and vet any options we have other that 'truncate limit; truncate registered_limit;' | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | s/that/than/ | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | sure. | 16:57 |
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| lbragstad | whatever comes out of that discussion will be good context to include for justificiation | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | data migration is going to be ugly regardless. | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | (i've never done this before) | 16:58 |
| cmurphy | create new tables; copy data ; drop old tables; rename tables? | 16:58 |
| kmalloc | pretty much | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | ^ that's the approach we usually take | 16:58 |
| kmalloc | or: create new table, reference new table | 16:58 |
| kmalloc | eventually drop old table | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | (two minutes remaining) | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | we can continue this in -keystone, too | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: sorry we didn't get back around to your last topic | 16:59 |
| hrybacki | no worries lbragstad | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | is that something we can cover next week? | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | or is it time sensitive? | 17:00 |
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| hrybacki | yeah, it can wait | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | ok | 17:00 |
| hrybacki | or I'll bring it up in channel as needed | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | i appreciate the time everyone | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 19 17:00:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-06-19-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-06-19-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-06-19-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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