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| cdent | sigh, that was painful | 14:02 |
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| cdent | couldn't seem to join a new channel | 14:02 |
| cdent | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 25 14:02:52 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:02 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:02 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | #chair efried edleafe tssurya takashin | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe efried takashin tssurya | 14:03 |
| efried | ō/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler | 14:03 |
| cdent | #link last meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-18-14.00.html | 14:04 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:04 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:04 |
| cdent | #topic last meeting | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| cdent | anything anyone want to address from the last meeting? | 14:04 |
| cdent | #topic specs and review | 14:05 |
| cdent | #link latest pupdate: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131752.html | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and review (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:05 | |
| cdent | any pending work that people need to discuss in person? | 14:05 |
| cdent | "in person" | 14:05 |
| cdent | I guess that's a "no"? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | o/ (late) | 14:06 |
| cdent | you got something mriedem ? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | no | 14:07 |
| mriedem | just here | 14:07 |
| cdent | cool | 14:07 |
| cdent | #topic bugs | 14:07 |
| cdent | #link placement bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement&orderby=-id | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1777591 is interesting | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1777591 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "‘limit’ in allocation_candidates where sometimes make fore_hosts invalid" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to xulei (605423512-j) | 14:09 |
| mriedem | and is a similar problem i think to the rebuild + image-defined traits issue | 14:09 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/569498/ | 14:10 |
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| * bauzas raises fist at force_hosts | 14:13 | |
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| efried | Before you put it in that context, my best stab at fixing this (actually I think it was cdent's idea) was to add a queryparam to GET /allocation_candidates letting you restrict to particular provider UUID(s). | 14:14 |
| efried | mriedem: Do you have a different idea? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | efried: i saw cdent's comment on the bug, and just said the same on the patch | 14:15 |
| mriedem | and yes that's what we should do imo | 14:15 |
| mriedem | we already have that on GET /resource_providers | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i.e. we likely need the same in_tree param in GET /allocation_candidates | 14:15 |
| efried | okey dokey. Stein, I'm assuming. | 14:16 |
| mriedem | maybe, it is a bug fix | 14:16 |
| mriedem | for what i think is a pretty common scenario (for admins) | 14:16 |
| efried | I was thinking less from a procedural-bp-approval point of view and more of a we've-already-got-a-shit-ton-on-our-plate perspective. | 14:16 |
| mriedem | there might be a backportable workaround... | 14:16 |
| mriedem | yeah i understand, but we can't backport microversions | 14:17 |
| efried | The workaround is "set your limit higher". | 14:17 |
| mriedem | so unless we have a workaround we can hack into the scheduler, it's kind of a big deal - alternatively your workaround is just set the limit to -1 | 14:17 |
| bauzas | MHO is maybe we should just not ask for a limit if operators use force_hosts | 14:17 |
| bauzas | that's their responsibility | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | so for rocky, | 14:19 |
| efried | Are we suggesting in Rocky (and backportable) to override limit to -1 if force_hosts is set? | 14:20 |
| efried | Or to document as a workaround that the operator should set a higher limit overall? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | we could (1) update the max_placement_results option help for the known issue (2) add a known issues release note and (3) update the docs for force hosts to mention this as well https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/admin/availability-zones.html | 14:20 |
| bauzas | force_hosts is only used by admins | 14:20 |
| bauzas | so they know about the number of compute nodes they have | 14:20 |
| mriedem | efried: i think it's a docs bug in rocky | 14:20 |
| efried | bah, I will *never* get the operator/admin terminology right. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | and we could fix in stein with a pre-request placement filter | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | i left comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576693/ | 14:20 |
| efried | fwiw, I don't think it's a terrible workaround to disable limit when force_hosts is used. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | the two options seem exclusive | 14:21 |
| efried | yes | 14:22 |
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| efried | One is automatic | 14:22 |
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| efried | And the manual one - isn't the limit done by a conf option? | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | it's still shitty for performance | 14:23 |
| efried | So you would have to set it globally for the sake of a single spawn? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | you could pull back 10K candidates just to find the one you want | 14:23 |
| edleafe | you could add a host_id argument to limit the amount of returned a/cs to either 1 (if it has the resources) or 0 (if it doesn't) | 14:23 |
| mriedem | yeah max_placement_results is config | 14:23 |
| efried | Yes, you could, but that's better to do for that single call than to have to set it globally so it happens for *every* request. | 14:23 |
| mriedem | efried: true | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Just got a message from cdent: his network is down, and is trying to get back online | 14:24 |
| efried | figured something like that, thx edleafe | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | efried: also left that alternative on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576693/ | 14:25 |
| mriedem | best thing probably is to start with a functional recreate | 14:25 |
| mriedem | and then we can tease out that idea | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | 2 hosts, limit=1 and force to one of them | 14:26 |
| efried | functional recreate is going to be tough, considering we can't predict the order in which results come back from the db. | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | default order is based on id isn't it? | 14:26 |
| efried | I don't think it's that predictable. | 14:26 |
| efried | Especially the way the code is set up now, where we shuffle alloc cands around in dicts all over the place while we're filtering/merging them. | 14:27 |
| efried | It's definitely not *documented* as being based on ID if that's what you're asknig. | 14:27 |
| efried | asking | 14:27 |
| mriedem | so i guess randomize_allocation_candidates isn't really useful? | 14:27 |
| efried | it is | 14:27 |
| mriedem | "If False, allocation candidates | 14:27 |
| mriedem | are returned in a deterministic but undefined order." | 14:27 |
| efried | Right, meaning for the same env you would get back the same order every time. | 14:28 |
| efried | but you can't rely on what that order would be. | 14:28 |
| efried | And if one teensy thing about the env changes, the whole thing could be different. | 14:28 |
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| efried | also keep in mind that 2 hosts doesn't necessarily == 2 candidates IRL - because sharing & nested. | 14:29 |
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| efried | not that we have to do that in test | 14:30 |
| mriedem | i wouldn't use sharing or nested in the functional test | 14:30 |
| mriedem | but if it's a worry then i guess we just unit test it, but that kind of sucks | 14:30 |
| mriedem | i don't know what else to do though | 14:31 |
| efried | Not sure if we need a specific recreate for "NoValidHosts when using force_host". | 14:31 |
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| efried | We can have a functional test where the conf is set up for a lower limit and just prove we get all results (higher than that limit) when force_hosts is set. | 14:31 |
| efried | I think I get what you're saying, though, that that test would then not be reusable for the "real" fix. | 14:32 |
| mriedem | meh, that's probably fine for a unit test - if force_hosts, assert get allocation candidates was called w/o a limit | 14:32 |
| efried | But I don't see an alternative offhand. | 14:32 |
| mriedem | anyway, i think we can move on | 14:32 |
| mriedem | since dansmith added max_placement_results he might have opinions too | 14:32 |
| mriedem | but can take that to -nova after the meeting | 14:33 |
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| dansmith | makes sense | 14:33 |
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| efried | Any other bugs to bring up? | 14:34 |
| efried | #topic open discussion | 14:34 |
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| efried | Bueller? Bueller? | 14:35 |
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| efried | Okay then. Keep calm and carry on. | 14:35 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 25 14:35:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-25-14.02.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-25-14.02.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-06-25-14.02.log.html | 14:36 |
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