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| masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 26 09:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| masahito | hi blazar folks, time to blazar meeting. | 09:00 |
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| masahito | #topic RollCall | 09:00 |
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| masahito | today's agenda is | 09:01 |
| masahito | 1. review meeting | 09:01 |
| masahito | 2. releasenote for API changes | 09:01 |
| masahito | 3. AOB | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | hi | 09:01 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: hello | 09:02 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:02 |
| priteau | Hello! | 09:02 |
| masahito | priteau: hello. | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Hello masahito and priteau | 09:03 |
| masahito | Let's get started! | 09:03 |
| masahito | #topic review meeting | 09:03 |
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| bertys | hi | 09:03 |
| masahito | bertys: hi | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | hi bertys | 09:03 |
| masahito | I can see lots of patch series in gerrit board now. | 09:04 |
| masahito | And tetsuro seems to start placement supports. | 09:04 |
| masahito | So I'd like to have one or two review meetings if you all sound it's nice. | 09:05 |
| masahito | before R-3 milestone. | 09:05 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Sounds good! | 09:05 |
| tetsuro | sorry to be late | 09:06 |
| masahito | As usual, we have the meeting right after this weekly meeting. | 09:06 |
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| priteau | This is a good idea. I am just back from a short vacation and haven't looked at reviews for almost a week. | 09:06 |
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| masahito | The candidates are 10th July or 17th July. Does the day work for you? | 09:07 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Both of them will work for me. | 09:07 |
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| priteau | Either of them works for me. | 09:08 |
| masahito | got it. | 09:08 |
| tetsuro | Both sounds good to me, too. | 09:08 |
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| masahito | tetsuro isn't here now. I'll send the candidates to the ML and then decide. | 09:09 |
| priteau | tetsuro was just here :-) | 09:09 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I see tetsuro is here now | 09:10 |
| tetsuro | can you here me? :) | 09:10 |
| masahito | ah, | 09:10 |
| masahito | I can see you. | 09:10 |
| tetsuro | sorry to be late! | 09:10 |
| masahito | np. | 09:10 |
| tetsuro | Both date work for me! | 09:10 |
| masahito | tetsuro: thank! | 09:10 |
| masahito | okay | 09:11 |
| masahito | 10th July is better to me because we have chance to update and fix the comment before r-3 | 09:12 |
| masahito | the r-3 milestone is 27th July. | 09:12 |
| masahito | let's have the review meeting on 10th July after the weekly meeting. | 09:12 |
| hiro-kobayashi | OK! | 09:13 |
| bertys | okay for me as well | 09:13 |
| masahito | I'm expecting the meeting is two hours as maximum. | 09:13 |
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| masahito | When we don't finish to through patches, let's continue it on 17th | 09:14 |
| priteau | If we have a short weekly meeting on July 10, I assume we can start the review meeting early? | 09:14 |
| masahito | yes, of course. | 09:14 |
| masahito | any comment? | 09:15 |
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| priteau | I may not be able to stay for the full two hours | 09:16 |
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| priteau | But I should be available for the beginning of the meeting | 09:16 |
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| masahito | got it. We're small team and have flexibility for the time :-) | 09:16 |
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| masahito | let's move on to next. | 09:17 |
| masahito | #topic Releasenote for API change | 09:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releasenote for API change (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:17 | |
| priteau | I am AFK for a few minutes, sorry | 09:18 |
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| masahito | As we agreed in the last meeting, we're fixing response code to align the meeting. | 09:18 |
| masahito | priteau: got it. | 09:18 |
| masahito | IMO, the releasenote could become so big if each fixes have individual releasenotes. | 09:19 |
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| masahito | So I push a patch to make the summary of the change. | 09:20 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577747/ | 09:20 |
| masahito | tetsuro and priteau: Does it make sense? | 09:20 |
| tetsuro | masahito: yup, this works for me! | 09:21 |
| masahito | Because tetsuro wrote the releasenote but it makes a big note even though this is just one fix. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/575271 | 09:21 |
| tetsuro | Okay, I'll remove that. | 09:22 |
| masahito | tetsuro: thank you. | 09:22 |
| masahito | And let's wait priteau a few minutes :-) He and his team members are a real operator who read the note. | 09:23 |
| priteau | I am back | 09:23 |
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| masahito | welcome back! | 09:23 |
| priteau | Overall it looks OK, I will have some comments on phrasing / grammar that I will post on Gerrit | 09:24 |
| priteau | I like tetsuro's release note though, because it explains *why* we did the change | 09:25 |
| masahito | Nice! Thank you. The note is published as one of official docs. | 09:25 |
| priteau | Maybe we can add a bit more information to your release note, masahito | 09:25 |
| priteau | We can discuss on Gerrit | 09:26 |
| masahito | My first patch is for discussing what info we need to have. Welcome to any comments. | 09:26 |
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| masahito | Right. we can discuss on the gerrit board. | 09:27 |
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| tetsuro | I have learned in nova community that we can be verbose in docs, so we don't have to be too worried about long docs... anyway | 09:27 |
| tetsuro | we can continue discussion on gerrit board | 09:27 |
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| masahito | thanks your feedback. | 09:28 |
| tetsuro | Anyway, I'm +1 for the idea to remove reno from my patch. | 09:28 |
| masahito | #topic AOB | 09:28 |
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| priteau | I agree with tetsuro. Release notes are also formatted as bullet lists, so the reader can easily scan them | 09:28 |
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| masahito | oops, sorry to interrupt. | 09:29 |
| priteau | No problem, I was too slow to write ;-) | 09:29 |
| masahito | Anything else for the releasenote? | 09:29 |
| tetsuro | Nope | 09:30 |
| masahito | If nothing, let's start AOB :-) | 09:30 |
| masahito | Does someone have something to share or discuss? | 09:30 |
| masahito | I just want to mention one patch that fixing gate failure, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577746/. | 09:31 |
| priteau | Thanks masahito. May I fix typos in the commit message? :-) | 09:33 |
| masahito | Flask changed its default internal data structure from 1.0.2 and it breaks the blazar-api. | 09:33 |
| masahito | priteau: sure. | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: Thank you for solving the failure! | 09:33 |
| qwebirc77170 | Hi, This is Parthiban. | 09:33 |
| tetsuro | Ah, I saw this error just now... Cool. Thank you, masa. | 09:33 |
| qwebirc77170 | Recently I went through OpenStack Security guidelines and I'm trying to implement few of them. - #auth_timing_attack - I have verified the response time of OpenStack with successful & failed attempts, but I cannot figure out difference in response time to a valid vs a failed authentication attempt. | 09:34 |
| masahito | priteau: I'm happy if you can merge it after fix the message. | 09:34 |
| priteau | Will do! | 09:34 |
| qwebirc77170 | Has this feature already implemented in Openstack? I'm using OpenStack Queens. Can some one help on this? | 09:34 |
| qwebirc77170 | If this is not the right forum to seek help, please guide me with this regard. | 09:34 |
| priteau | qwebirc77170: This is a meeting channel. You should be asking on #openstack-dev | 09:34 |
| priteau | Or #openstack | 09:35 |
| qwebirc77170 | Thanks priteau, for the help | 09:35 |
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| masahito | anything else? if nothing, we can finish today's meeting early. | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi | No update from me | 09:37 |
| tetsuro | nothing | 09:37 |
| masahito | let's finish todays meeting. | 09:38 |
| masahito | thanks all! | 09:38 |
| hiro-kobayashi | thank you and good bye all! | 09:39 |
| masahito | bye. | 09:39 |
| masahito | #endmeeting | 09:39 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:39 | |
| tetsuro | thanks! | 09:39 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 26 09:39:09 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-26-09.00.html | 09:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-26-09.00.txt | 09:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-06-26-09.00.log.html | 09:39 |
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| priteau | Bye everyone | 09:39 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 26 16:00:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy, sonuk | 16:00 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 16:00 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: you should ping in -keystone too :P | 16:01 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:01 |
| hrybacki | anyone else using irccloud sometimes realize their web client hasn't been connected for at least a couple of hours? | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | hrybacki: all the time | 16:01 |
| * hrybacki shakes fist at paid for service | 16:01 | |
| kmalloc | irccloud is not that great | 16:01 |
| knikolla | i switched back to firrre last week, free znc for freenode | 16:01 |
| hrybacki | I wish there was /anything/ better | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | weechat is awesome | 16:02 |
| hrybacki | yeah, I've got weechat on my new dev machine | 16:02 |
| kmalloc | but i don't want to pay for a VM in AWS or <insert cloud here> | 16:02 |
| * hrybacki nods | 16:02 | |
| kmalloc | and my home lab is not... setup fully atm | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | ok - we have a lot on the agenda today | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | real quick announcement though | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | if you haven't noticed, our docs job is failing | 16:03 |
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| lbragstad | this is due to breaking warning that we treat as errors in Sphinx 1.7.5 | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | we have a patch in the gate to fix the issue | 16:03 |
| kmalloc | the fix is +2/+A and pending check then will gate | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | but it's really just a work around | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578121/ | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | the commit message gives the details if you're interested in them | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | TL;DR we can remove those docstrings once oauthlib is compatible with Sphinx 1.7.5 | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | so - if you have something tripping over docs, ^ that should fix it | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic Default roles next steps | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Default roles next steps (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:05 | |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: o/ | 16:05 |
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| hrybacki | o/ | 16:05 |
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| hrybacki | yes, so we are now ready to start doing audits of our APIs | 16:05 |
| hrybacki | I've gone ahead and done an initial mapping (kmalloc) | 16:06 |
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| hrybacki | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14c2pAPeX14RR2EZU89fuSx5yW3Q9pjdyaKkD0cyFzaU/edit?usp=sharing | 16:06 |
| hrybacki | that should be public, but please let me know if it's not | 16:06 |
| knikolla | it's not | 16:06 |
| hrybacki | We've also begun doing a similar audit in barbican | 16:06 |
| hrybacki | knikolla: sec, will fix | 16:06 |
| hrybacki | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Policy | 16:06 |
| hrybacki | okay, permissions are whack because I pulled from my Red Hat google drive | 16:07 |
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| hrybacki | I'll fix and submit a new link | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | welcome to google docs unfun =/ | 16:07 |
| hrybacki | aye | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | i've been battling that for weeks, keeps defaulting to the wrong account | 16:07 |
| hrybacki | anyways, there is a complete mapping of each route->policy | 16:08 |
| hrybacki | along with other details. Pretty verbose. | 16:08 |
| hrybacki | Next step is to sit down and walk through these laying down where we /want/ these to fall in line WRT the new default roles and scopes | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | I highly recommend performing the audit after a given API path is moved to flask, it will make it much easier to see everything under (e.g. /users) | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | rather than having to find what routers append where | 16:09 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: there are also quite a few notes for work that needs to be done in order to enable scope | 16:09 |
| hrybacki | kmalloc: I'm concerned about the feature freeze in < weeks (correct?) | 16:09 |
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| lbragstad | July 27th | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | it is a concern. but the bulk of the API moves should be proposed by then. | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | we have 4 weeks | 16:10 |
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| lbragstad | i'm wondering if we can do the audit in review? | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | audit should be fine post FF. | 16:10 |
| hrybacki | here | 16:11 |
| hrybacki | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd3OJCLMsIkPgULN31WFw9PA9-3-X99yaDnjWDGOvm0/edit?usp=sharing | 16:11 |
| hrybacki | that should be viewable | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | versus auditing in google docs then porting everything to gerrit | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | also - however we do things, we should be sure to update the specification with the table once the audit is done | 16:11 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: well, the doc has full context where a single file within gerrit may not | 16:11 |
| hrybacki | I'm trying to lay down a pattern for helping the other services | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | unless we're building a full context file in gerrit. | 16:12 |
| hrybacki | barbican was a nightmare | 16:12 |
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| lbragstad | hmm | 16:12 |
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| kmalloc | hrybacki: my only concern with the audit pre-flask is just that the structure (and controllers) are all being re-worked and routes are handled very different | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | i just don't want to have to re-audit if an api is moved. | 16:13 |
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| kmalloc | just because the code shuffled a ton. | 16:13 |
| hrybacki | I think it may be good practice tbh (jsut from a community goal perspective) | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | otherwise ++ we should do it. | 16:13 |
| hrybacki | but don't want to burn others out | 16:13 |
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| hrybacki | okay, so (not wanting to eat the whole meeting). We are opting to wait until Flask stuff is implemented | 16:14 |
| hrybacki | who will want to do the audit at that point with me? kmalloc ? | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | hrybacki: i can help some. | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | i can't do it all ;) | 16:15 |
| hrybacki | I'll do the implementation -- I just need core help doing the initial audit :) | 16:15 |
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| lbragstad | i can help with the audit stuff | 16:15 |
| hrybacki | ack | 16:15 |
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| lbragstad | let's start with a couple easy APIs if we can | 16:16 |
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| hrybacki | so action: harry to set up audit appt kmalloc and lbragstad after Flask stuff has merged? | 16:16 |
| hrybacki | I don't care where we start | 16:16 |
| hrybacki | is it realistic for this stuff to begin landing in rocky? | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | likely | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | depends on the reviews of the flask work | 16:16 |
| * hrybacki nods | 16:16 | |
| kmalloc | the flask stuff will be focused on easy APIs first e.g. limits | 16:16 |
| hrybacki | ack | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | stuff that is isolated, where things like /users is likely to be towards the end. | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | just because ... a lot of things touch /users | 16:17 |
| hrybacki | ack. I can work 'behind' your flask progress with the audit | 16:17 |
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| hrybacki | that's all on that from me lbragstad | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | expect APIs to start moving as soon as the RBAC enforcer stuff has eyes | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | sounds good | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | #topic keystone federation testing | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystone federation testing (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:18 | |
| lbragstad | knikolla: o/ | 16:18 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:18 |
| knikolla | so first, there's a lot of interest lately from the edge computing group in keystone and keystone federation | 16:19 |
| knikolla | me and lbragstad attended the edge computing meeting today and answered a few questions | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: lets punt the oslo_policy bit to another meeting. [so skip it today, netx week or the following[] | 16:19 |
| knikolla | tomorrow there's a meeting with the OPNFV group, who is interested in helping out with keystone federation testing | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | yay more testing! | 16:19 |
| knikolla | there's an etherpad to track the effort https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ECG_Keystone_Testing | 16:19 |
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| knikolla | with that announcement out of the way, i had a technical question | 16:19 |
| knikolla | does it make sense to test with Shibboleth as a SAML ECP idp, if keystone in keystone to keystone can act as a SAML ECP Idp? | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | does Shib buy us anything k2k doesn't? | 16:20 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: the fact that it's shibboleth | 16:21 |
| knikolla | so it sort of does integration testing, but they're using the same protocol | 16:21 |
| lbragstad | with k2k we have the ability to exercise the idp paths more exhaustively, yeah? | 16:22 |
| knikolla | yeah, keystone currently acts as an SP only | 16:22 |
| knikolla | the original plan was to deploy a local shibboleth | 16:22 |
| knikolla | shibboleth-idp* | 16:22 |
| knikolla | and also use k2k | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | oh - got it | 16:23 |
| knikolla | i'm questioning whether a local shibboleth-idp makes sense at all | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | seems like it would be a good sanity check | 16:23 |
| knikolla | and whether we should just do k2k, since keystone as an idp uses the same protocol that shibboleth as an idp uses | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | but i'm also not familiar with the maintenance cost of doing each | 16:23 |
| knikolla | switching over from testshib.org (which we're currently using) to keystone-as-an-idp should be easier than setting up an idp in the gate. | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:25 |
| knikolla | do people have strong opinions? kmalloc? | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | i am a fan of dropping testshib | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | as a dep for our testing | 16:25 |
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| lbragstad | IMO; anything is better than what we have today, but aiming for a lower bar is fine, too | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | i would still like to see a shib setup to test federation. | 16:26 |
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| kmalloc | but that said, any testing is good as long as it is representative of real use | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | with how much k2k has been talked about recently, specifically for edge related things, test coverage would be useful there | 16:27 |
| knikolla | ok, so i will update the testing plan to have k2k instead of testshib, for now. And then later have shib as a local idp. | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | makes sense | 16:27 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla: anything else on that front? | 16:27 |
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| knikolla | awesome, that's all i had. | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: did you say you wanted to do the next topic? | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | oslo-policy check types? | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | skip that one | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | until the end or a future meeting | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | #topic pluggable policy | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pluggable policy (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:28 | |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: o/ | 16:28 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | you're up again | 16:28 |
| hrybacki | i wish ozz was here to speak to this | 16:28 |
| hrybacki | okay, so there are operators rolling their own centralized policy solutions | 16:29 |
| hrybacki | I am hearing asks from some of our customers as well. | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | this is related to the pluggable enforcer bit in oslo_policy? | 16:29 |
| gagehugo | centralized rbac is a topic that keeps coming up at summits/ptgs | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | being built? | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | to that end, after returning from KubeCon, ozz was pretty amped about Open Policy Agent | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | kmalloc: yes | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | #link http://jaormx.github.io/2018/rewriting-openstack-policy-files-in-open-policy-agent-rego-language/ | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | he wrote about his idea of using OPA for policy checks within openstack | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | ^^ | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | thanks lbragstad | 16:30 |
| hrybacki | a first step is making Enforce plugable | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | so, i 100% support pluggable enforce | 16:31 |
| hrybacki | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577807/ | 16:31 |
| hrybacki | and my mouse just died | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | and i 100% support centralizing policy in a smart way (by default, say... etcd) | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | but not dumping the policy DSL for the "out-of-the-box" experience [yet] | 16:31 |
| hrybacki | that is ozz's WIP | 16:31 |
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| kmalloc | i think that code is headed the right way. | 16:32 |
| * hrybacki nods | 16:32 | |
| lbragstad | so - this isn't using http_check | 16:33 |
| hrybacki | One question ozz raised was, should operators be able to override scope in the same way they can rules for policy? e.g. in policy files | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | hrybacki: scope, iirc is not overridable | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | and shouldn't be | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | i'm inclined to say no, but that could be a knee jerk reaction | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | scope is intended to be communication from the service that this works with project vs system scope | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | so, start with no, not overridable | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | we can expand if needed | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | it's also intended to be set by the people writing the API | 16:34 |
| hrybacki | both sound reasons | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | easier to add funcitonality than take it away | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | so if i write an api that does things on a system level, i probably don't want to expose things that allow people to bypass that | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | we can always re-evaluate and allow overrides | 16:35 |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: what was ozz's use case for overriding them? | 16:35 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: so OPA has its own lingo for policy (and other stuff) 'rego' | 16:35 |
| hrybacki | he wrote a parser that ports default policy files to rego for use with OPA | 16:36 |
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| hrybacki | using the defaults we have built out so far | 16:36 |
| hrybacki | but scope type isn't indicated in them | 16:36 |
| hrybacki | so he's trying to get around parsing the policy-in-code files | 16:36 |
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| lbragstad | hmmm | 16:36 |
| hrybacki | we are thinking about customers that already custom policy files | 16:36 |
| hrybacki | s/operators/customers/ | 16:36 |
| hrybacki | damnit, reverse that | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | can he load the custom policy files, fill in the gaps with the missing policys, covert them to RuleDefault instances, and then inspect the .scope_types attributes? | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | and we expose the list_rules stuff, right? | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | so it is possible to just python-introspect the objects | 16:37 |
| hrybacki | we can do that, I just wanted to verify the simple solution wasn't the correct answer | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | that's how we munge custom policy files today | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | usualyl something like | 16:38 |
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| hrybacki | ack. thanks for the input :) | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | 1.) give me the default set of rules 2.) override the ones i need to for my deployment | 16:38 |
| hrybacki | but yes kmalloc I like the Enforcer patch he's posted. I'll look at your work (that I saw in the agenda) too | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | but keep everything as a set of RuleDefault objects | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | everything in that set should maintain the .scope_types attributes we set from step #1, but include the overrides the customer needs from step #2 | 16:39 |
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| hrybacki | okay | 16:40 |
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| lbragstad | i feel like i just waved my hands everywhere | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | but hopefully that helps | 16:40 |
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| hrybacki | lbragstad: I have more than enough info for now :) | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | and if it doesn't we should find a way to expose that information so that scope_types is consumable but not overrideable | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | open/closed principle ya know?! | 16:41 |
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| kmalloc | call out for policy check, but still check scope internally | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | easy | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | outside of the pluggable backend | 16:41 |
| hrybacki | interesting approach | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | if ozz is going to be around this week, maybe we can sit down and see what he thinks | 16:43 |
| * hrybacki is being quiet so we cover more :) | 16:43 | |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: he's here through Thursday, just a +7hr timeline so couldn't make this meeting | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | ah | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | maybe early in the day for us then and we can catch him | 16:43 |
| hrybacki | he lives in Finland for context | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: anything else on this? | 16:43 |
| hrybacki | sure, that would be good. I'll send him an email | 16:43 |
| hrybacki | nope! | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | cool - thanks! | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | #topic shiny new RBAC enforcement with Flask | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "shiny new RBAC enforcement with Flask (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:44 | |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: o/ | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | so. it turns out i can't move an API to flask without providing RBAC enforcement | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | @protected sucks... and has next to no documentation and testing is limited to "do we enforce what we think we enforce" | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1776504+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | that is the stack of changes. at the current end there is a NEW RBACEnforcer object | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | it only works with flask, but it eliminates @protected as a decorator with the idea enforcement should happen within the method at the right time [e.g. after loading the object to be enforced on] | 16:46 |
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| kmalloc | so, enforcer.enforce_call(<args>) is used instead of just letting the decorator do magic | 16:46 |
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| lbragstad | this should make our API enforcement logic more like business logic instead of stuffing it all into a decorator, right? | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | yes | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | awesome | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | in the simplest form, you can decorate the method (e.g. .get()) with @enforcer.policy_enforcer_action(<action, e.g. identity:get_user>) | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | and then call enforcer.enforce_call() | 16:47 |
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| kmalloc | with no args, assuming everything is setup | 16:48 |
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| kmalloc | you can also call .enforce_call() with a number of variations to get the same functionality @protected, @filterprotected, and the callback versions without needing to duplicate the check_protection code into a callback | 16:48 |
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| lbragstad | cool | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | i'll review that chain today | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | we also ahve full unit tests that build Creds, Target, data directly | 16:49 |
| lbragstad | that's going to have a big impact on the default roles work for sure | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | instead of assuming it is right if the .enforce() call is working | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | last of all, i am sorry it's a 1000+ line change | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | but 50% of the change is tests. | 16:49 |
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| kmalloc | in flask, we also have an explicit check to see if .enforce_call was made | 16:50 |
| lbragstad | it's also going to help us fix stuff like this | 16:50 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1750660 | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1750660 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The v3 project API should account for different scopes" [High,Triaged] | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | if it wasn't called, keystone will error unless the method is explicitly exempted | 16:50 |
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| kmalloc | and there is a decorator to exempt the methods | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | that will be easier to show in a followup. | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | as i move APIs. | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | all the assertions that .enforce_call is made is done via "assert" it is not meant to block use in production if python -O is used | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | it is meant to be caught in dev. | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | so no one implements an unenforced (unintentionally) API | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | good deal | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | last note. | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | there is a weird bug in how we extract subject-token data now | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577655/ | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | if you are doing .get_user, the subject-token data will be in target_dict['target']['user']<token data> | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | if project it will be in ['project'] not user | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | because it uses the "controller" to populate | 16:53 |
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| kmalloc | so we have weird data that isn't target.token it is target.<whatever member name controller supplies> | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | that patch fixes it for @protected | 16:53 |
| kmalloc | i have rolled the same fix into the RBACEnforcer | 16:54 |
| kmalloc | since they use different code paths | 16:54 |
| kmalloc | ... | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | hmm | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | good to know | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | anything else on that kmalloc? | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | just need eyes? | 16:54 |
| kmalloc | The RBACEnforcer also still just leans on oslo_policy, so all pluggable enforcers will work | 16:54 |
| kmalloc | it needs eyes. | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | awesome | 16:54 |
| kmalloc | this chain has taken weeks to unroll what @protected does | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | hopefully enforcer.enforce_call is easier to understand | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i hope so | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | sounds like it will be | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | this also implementes the first example of the new REST testing | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | which is *way* cooler than the use of WEBTEST | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | :) | 16:55 |
| kmalloc | with self.test_client() as c: | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | ^_^ | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | only a couple topics left | 16:56 |
| * kmalloc is done. | 16:56 | |
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| lbragstad | thanks kmalloc! | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | #topic unified limits | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "unified limits (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:56 | |
| lbragstad | wxy|: o/ | 16:56 |
| wxy| | hi | 16:56 |
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| lbragstad | wxy|: looks like you have some things that needs reviews, too | 16:57 |
| wxy| | it's just a reminder. | 16:57 |
| wxy| | yeah | 16:57 |
| wxy| | nothing else, just need some eyes | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557696/ | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | that's the implementation of the strict two level spec ^ ? | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576025/ | 16:58 |
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| wxy| | part of | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/577751/ | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | those should address the things the kmalloc brought up last week (nice job on the turn around time) | 16:59 |
| wxy| | yes. | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | i'll review those too | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | if anyone else wants to test out the unified limit stuff manually | 16:59 |
| * hrybacki slides into next meeting | 16:59 | |
| lbragstad | ksc now supports unified limits | 17:00 |
| wxy| | thanks. | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | i'm working on some patches to get support into python-openstackclient | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | i should have some patches up for oslo.limit this week, too | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | so - no shortage of stuff for review | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | wxy|: anything else you need on unified limits except reviews? | 17:00 |
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| wxy| | no, that's all | 17:01 |
| lbragstad | thanks for all the hard work everyone | 17:01 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 26 17:01:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-06-26-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-06-26-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-06-26-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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