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| masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 17 09:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| masahito | Hi Blazar folks! | 09:00 |
| masahito | #topic RollCall | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| priteau | o/ | 09:00 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 09:00 |
| bertys | o/ | 09:01 |
| masahito | priteau, tetsuro, bertys: hello | 09:01 |
| masahito | Today's agenda is | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hi everyone | 09:01 |
| masahito | 1. Non-client libraries release | 09:01 |
| masahito | 2. Project Update in the Berlin summit | 09:01 |
| masahito | 3. the gate failure | 09:01 |
| masahito | 4. AOB | 09:01 |
| masahito | and following review meeting. | 09:01 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | hi | 09:02 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: hi | 09:02 |
| masahito | #topic Non-client release | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Non-client release (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:04 | |
| masahito | As we talked in the last meeting, I pushed the release patch for the blazar-nova 2.0.0 | 09:04 |
| masahito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583159/ | 09:04 |
| priteau | Great, thanks masahito | 09:05 |
| masahito | The version number is aligned to the Blazar server's version. | 09:06 |
| masahito | any comment? | 09:06 |
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| masahito | #topic Project Update in the Berlin summit | 09:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Update in the Berlin summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:08 | |
| masahito | This item is also fyi. | 09:08 |
| masahito | I mailed TC members wether we can have the session or not. But I've not received any response yet. | 09:09 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thank you for checking it! | 09:11 |
| masahito | I hope they'll arrange the session series in the summit and we'll be included. | 09:11 |
| priteau | CFP is closing on July 18th at 6:59 am UTC | 09:12 |
| priteau | If we don't get any answer from TC by that time, should we submit a talk? | 09:12 |
| priteau | I am sure that if there is actually a project update session, they will make sure we don't have a duplicate talk | 09:13 |
| masahito | Yes, if possible I want to submit a talk. | 09:14 |
| priteau | masahito: with the timezone difference you can still submit tomorrow :-) | 09:15 |
| masahito | One issue I'm hitting is I'm involved in 3 talks already. | 09:15 |
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| priteau | Is that the maximum number of talks one can submit? | 09:17 |
| masahito | Two of them are Blazar related talks. So I could do some update in those. | 09:18 |
| masahito | priteau: yes. One person only can submit 3 talks regardless of main speaker or co-speaker. | 09:18 |
| priteau | Who is attending Berlin by the way? | 09:20 |
| priteau | I am not sure if I will be there yet | 09:20 |
| masahito | I'll be there. | 09:20 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I will not be there | 09:21 |
| tetsuro | I'll be there | 09:21 |
| masahito | If some of us can be there, it's okay to submit the update session by your name. | 09:22 |
| bertys | Same as priteau, not sure if I will be there | 09:22 |
| masahito | And if needed, I'm also okay to join the session later. | 09:22 |
| priteau | So who could submit a project update talk if needed? tetsuro? | 09:23 |
| masahito | Anyway. I try to ping them again, and if needed I'll submit a update session. | 09:24 |
| tetsuro | but you can't masa, can you? | 09:24 |
| masahito | One of my proposal is a talk with tetsuro. So I hope I can exit from tetsuro's talk :-) | 09:25 |
| priteau | Heh | 09:25 |
| tetsuro | I think that's more reasonable way to go. | 09:25 |
| tetsuro | than I submit update session | 09:26 |
| priteau | Sounds good | 09:26 |
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| masahito | okay, the problem is solved :-) | 09:26 |
| masahito | #topic the gate failure | 09:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the gate failure (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:27 | |
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| masahito | I see the gate failure because of pylint update and the fix of the issue. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583080/ | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Yes, please review it and merge it asap | 09:28 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: Thanks for digging it. | 09:28 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I saw major projects like Cinder take the same approach: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/tox.ini#L87 | 09:29 |
| masahito | My one question is the required version of pytlint doesn't appear in requirements.txt, do it? | 09:30 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: Is pylint moved out of requirements.txt because it is in the openstack/requirements blacklist? | 09:30 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Yes, it is not listed in the global-requirements. | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi | The latest version 2.0.0 which was released yesterday does not support python2. That's why it broke some tests. | 09:32 |
| priteau | Some projects have it in their test-requirements.txt though. We could ask what's the recommended approach. | 09:33 |
| masahito | I noticed pylint is removed from test-requirements.txt. tox.ini specifies requirements.txt not test-requirements.txt | 09:33 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Doesn't those project hit gate failure? | 09:33 |
| priteau | They use pylint==1.4.5 | 09:34 |
| priteau | or pylint==1.7.1 | 09:34 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: If we remove pylint from test-requirements.txt, shouldn't we also remove it from lower-constraints.txt? | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I thinks lower-constraints contains more packages than listed in the requirements file. | 09:35 |
| hiro-kobayashi | So, I think we can keep it. | 09:36 |
| priteau | It's because it lists all dependencies, and their dependencies. | 09:36 |
| masahito | IIRC, lower-constraints.txt is maintained by requirements repo. | 09:36 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | um, I don't know the maintenance policy of lower-constraints :-( | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi | ``Each project team may also optionally maintain a list of “lower bounds” constraints for the dependencies used to test the project in a lower-constraints.txt file`` by https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/dependency-management.html#solution | 09:39 |
| masahito | My thoughts for the upcomming milestone release, 1. remove pylint from test-requirements.txt (It could fix gate failure except openstack-tox-pylint), 2. find a right versioning of pylint. | 09:39 |
| masahito | How do you think? | 09:39 |
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| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: yes, I think we have to maintain the file | 09:40 |
| priteau | There is a little script in openstack/requirements to automatically generate it too | 09:40 |
| priteau | masahito: isn't that what hiro-kobayashi's patch does? | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: I think we should merge my patch asap. Then, upload a new patch if it does not meet with the OpenStack standard. | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I think we should move other patches forward. | 09:42 |
| masahito | My concern is specifying package version in tox.ini. | 09:42 |
| masahito | From my experience, this type of "special case" usually causes annoying issue later. | 09:43 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: I agree we should move forward. | 09:44 |
| priteau | I added more details to the commit message | 09:45 |
| hiro-kobayashi | thanks! | 09:45 |
| masahito | okay, let's merge this patch and check openstack's standard. | 09:46 |
| priteau | Gave a +2. We can fix lower-constraints and other issues later. | 09:46 |
| hiro-kobayashi | OK | 09:47 |
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| masahito | Another idea is putting non-voting tag to py27 gate job :-) | 09:47 |
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| masahito | Anyway, let's move on to next. | 09:48 |
| masahito | #topic AOB | 09:48 |
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| masahito | Does someone have something to share or discuss? | 09:48 |
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| priteau | Not from me | 09:48 |
| masahito | fyi: Blazar is listed on project-navigator now. https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator#orchestration | 09:49 |
| hiro-kobayashi | great! | 09:49 |
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| tetsuro | nice. | 09:50 |
| priteau | I saw that recently, great news! | 09:50 |
| hiro-kobayashi | The mouse looks bigger than other mascots... :-) | 09:50 |
| bertys | fyi, Wiki page for upcoming PTG @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Stein/Etherpads, we may want to add Blazar too... | 09:50 |
| masahito | Done | 09:52 |
| bertys | thanks | 09:52 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:53 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I have | 09:53 |
| hiro-kobayashi | As you all know, I will change my job next month. | 09:53 |
| hiro-kobayashi | The next weekly meeting is the last time for me to join as current position. | 09:54 |
| priteau | We will miss you hiro-kobayashi! | 09:55 |
| hiro-kobayashi | So, I’m sorry but I expect my contribution will considerably decrease. | 09:55 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I will try to join as an individual contributor ;-) | 09:56 |
| masahito | I'll miss you, too. I'm really appreciate your productive contributions and happy working with you. | 09:57 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | It was great to promote this project with you all! Thank you so much! | 09:58 |
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| masahito | I hope your next job is well and am looking forward to seeing you as an individual :-) | 09:59 |
| hiro-kobayashi | thanks! | 10:00 |
| bertys | thanks again hiro! Time to move to blazar irc? | 10:00 |
| masahito | ah, yes. running out of time. | 10:01 |
| masahito | moving to #openstack-blazar then let's start review meeting. | 10:01 |
| masahito | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 17 10:01:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-07-17-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-07-17-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-07-17-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 17 16:00:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgrassler | Hello | 16:00 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy, sonuk | 16:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:00 |
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| kmalloc | o/ | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | we have a relatively light schedule today - so we'll give folks another minute or two to show up | 16:01 |
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| sonuk | \o | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | #topic release status | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| lbragstad | just a couple quick announcements | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | we have non-client library freeze by the end of the weke | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | week* | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-final-lib | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | so if there is anything we need from an oslo/ksa perspective, we'll need to get those things squared away | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | i don't think i have anything on my radar | 16:04 |
| cmurphy | also ksm | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | ++ yeah | 16:04 |
| cmurphy | there's at least one ksm change that needs attention | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | these are the open reviews | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/keystonemiddleware+status:open | 16:06 |
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| lbragstad | cmurphy: which review were you referring to? | 16:07 |
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| cmurphy | lbragstad: well i guess there's more than one :) | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | lol | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | one i'm having trouble with is https://review.openstack.org/578008 would be good to have other eyes on it | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | just the purpose of it? | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | or something else? | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | i'll be honest, i haven't looked at this one yet | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | well we don't need to use the meeting to look at it, just wanted to highlight it | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | i'll make a note to review it today | 16:10 |
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| lbragstad | any other patches we need to get into ksa, ksm, or oslo libraries before Friday? | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | note that oslo.limit will be exempt from the freeze since it's not revved past 1.0 yet | 16:12 |
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| lbragstad | if someone does stumble across something we need to include, just say something | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | along the same vein - requirements freeze is next week | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | so we'll need to be mindful of versions we need, if any | 16:14 |
| wxy| | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583215/ this one in ksa, since it's a bug from s10 for a long time. | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | wxy|: nice - i can review that today, too | 16:14 |
| wxy| | lbragstad: thanks. | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | thanks for the patch | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | that's about all i had for release stuff | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | #topic keystoneauth url discovery bug | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystoneauth url discovery bug (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:16 | |
| kmalloc | that bug sucks. | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystoneauth/+bug/1733052 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733052 in keystoneauth "Usage of internal URL in clouds.yaml causes a 404" [High,In progress] - Assigned to wangxiyuan (wangxiyuan) | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | ^ that one you mean :) | 16:16 |
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| kmalloc | look closely at the code, we need to be sure we're not going to break anything | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | i'm not entirely sure who put this on the schedule for today | 16:16 |
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| kmalloc | but we need to get that landed if possible | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | i don't know who added it, but mordred, wxy|, me, and a few others have a vested interest in that bugfix landing | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | it will unbreak some folks. | 16:17 |
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| lbragstad | sounds good | 16:18 |
| mordred | yeah. it's important | 16:18 |
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| mordred | it's definitely a thing we should fix in the client library and not in the services themselves ;) | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | we'll looks like we just need some reviews | 16:18 |
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| kmalloc | yep | 16:19 |
| mordred | we should land it - because there are old clouds out there that are broken - but it's also fundamentally broken from the pov of the services | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | is there anything we want to discuss about the fix? | 16:19 |
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| mordred | and at some point someone should actually fix all of the services | 16:19 |
| ayoung | looking | 16:19 |
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| kmalloc | nothing besides what has already been said. | 16:20 |
| mordred | kmalloc: I could rage a bit more if it's helpful | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | mordred: lol | 16:20 |
| ayoung | why does it not have a test? | 16:20 |
| wxy| | ayoung: oh, i'll add one later. | 16:21 |
| ayoung | wxy|, I won't touch it without a test | 16:22 |
| ayoung | tests first. Tests always | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | ok - anything more on this topic? | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | otherwise i'll open it up for discussion | 16:24 |
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| ayoung | has anyone looked at our test coverage numbers lately? | 16:24 |
| lbragstad | yes | 16:25 |
| lbragstad | we're around 92% in keystone server | 16:25 |
| ayoung | how we looking? | 16:25 |
| lbragstad | i would like to gate on coverage, but i'm not sure if we've tried that in the past | 16:26 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:26 | |
| ayoung | yeah...it would be great if a patch was immediately rejected if the lines of codes changed were not covered by a test | 16:26 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone know if other projects gate on test coverage? | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | i'm not aware of that done by any of the other services | 16:27 |
| gagehugo | I don't think so | 16:27 |
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| ayoung | could we build it out of existing tools? | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | what do you mean? | 16:29 |
| ayoung | something like: upon checking, run test coverage. THen, from the git patch, get the new lines of code | 16:29 |
| clarkb | one specific concern around using coverage in that way is it can legitimetely drop (say you delete a bunch of unused code that was only covered by test suite) | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | we have a coverage job defined in our tox.ini | 16:29 |
| clarkb | and no one has built a thing to address those concerns | 16:29 |
| ayoung | and then query the test covereage output to make sure those lines were covered? | 16:29 |
| ayoung | clarkb, I'm looking for "all new lines are covered by some code" | 16:30 |
| ayoung | which is a way to move forward | 16:30 |
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| ayoung | deleting code would only fail if you ended up with a partial line change, and that line was uncovered | 16:30 |
| ayoung | sounds like a great intern projec | 16:31 |
| ayoung | t | 16:31 |
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| ayoung | Oh, BTWE, I have some good news for people trying to develop on RHEL75 etc | 16:32 |
| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2018/07/running-openstack-components-on-rhel-with-software-collections/ | 16:32 |
| ayoung | which can be used to run upstream code in a supported way. ish | 16:33 |
| ayoung | so for running the covereage code, I can use that | 16:33 |
| ayoung | scl enable rh-python35 bash | 16:33 |
| ayoung | tox -e cover | 16:33 |
| * ayoung running now | 16:33 | |
| kmalloc | i am -2 on a "if coverage goes down error" because of what clarkb said. | 16:33 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, agreed | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that's a good point | 16:34 |
| ayoung | I don't want to do it on percentage | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | what about at least publishing it formally somewhere? | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | (i don't think we do that either) | 16:34 |
| ayoung | I want to do it on "if you are adding or modding a line of code in a patch, it needs a test." | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | and there are legitimate cases (e.g. flask) that testing could not have been fully written without it being a massive 3000+ line patch | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | and then tests on top of it | 16:35 |
| ayoung | you can mock out a lot | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | ok, let me just say this is a people problem not a tech problem. | 16:35 |
| ayoung | disagree | 16:35 |
| ayoung | this is something we can automate | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | it is on us, reviewers to say "this needs tests" and look at the coverage report | 16:35 |
| ayoung | and that makes it something not part of a code review | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | it is not automatable | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | there are too many variables | 16:36 |
| knikolla | I tend to agree with kmalloc | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | at some point you have to review the code and make sure it's doing what it's suppose to | 16:36 |
| ayoung | lets give it a try | 16:36 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, agreed, but automated checks for "you must have a test" are like automated pep8 | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | mocking it all out is a terrible policy just to get past a hurdle of "well you're going to just undo these once the next patch lands" | 16:37 |
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| ayoung | ok, I have an idea | 16:37 |
| mordred | this was first proposed at the cactus summit fwiw, and so far nobody has managed to build a thing that works enough to be usable | 16:37 |
| mordred | HOWEVER | 16:37 |
| ayoung | instead of making it a gerrit check | 16:37 |
| mordred | it was first proposed at the cactus summit and people have wanted it ever since | 16:37 |
| mordred | so I thik it would be welcome if someone can figure it out | 16:37 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: if you can produce something legitimately reliable and handle the edge cases, i'll be the first to +2 it | 16:37 |
| mordred | ++ | 16:37 |
| ayoung | lets get a tool that at least we can run, that does a cover check + "these lines are covered or not" check | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | and i'm fine trialing it in keystone | 16:38 |
| * lbragstad would settle for publishing (not gating on) coverage reports as a way to encourage people to use it as a learning tool while filling the gaps | 16:38 | |
| kmalloc | but i want a well designed tool. | 16:38 |
| ayoung | step one is showing it can be done | 16:38 |
| mordred | ayoung: yes. agree. a tool we can run is a GREAT step 1 | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: it is published in the coverage run. | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | we just need to look at it | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | just like docs | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | right... | 16:38 |
| ayoung | step 4 is automating it. Not sure about 2 and 3, but I am sure there are steps there | 16:38 |
| gagehugo | http://logs.openstack.org/58/580258/10/check/openstack-tox-cover/9140707/cover/ | 16:38 |
| gagehugo | ^ example | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | in addition to that i gues it would be nice to have a badge displaying the coverage of master | 16:39 |
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| ayoung | CLI is our worst offender, followed by LDAP (my quick scan) | 16:39 |
| * kmalloc also very strongly believes the it is a fallacy that 100% code coverage means anything. it results in the terrible thing you see in a lot of java projects with bazillion mocks | 16:40 | |
| mordred | ayoung: easy win - delete CLI :) | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | mordred: ++ | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | mordred: didn't we already do that in keystone? ;) | 16:40 |
| ayoung | Didn't we try that already? | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | keystoneclient has no cli | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | osc is our cli | 16:41 |
| ayoung | this is keystone-manage | 16:41 |
| mordred | ah. | 16:41 |
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| mordred | deleting that is probably not a great idea | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | keystone/cmd/cli.py | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | we should be writing tests to test behavior | 16:41 |
| clarkb | one approach some projects have taken is to run non voting coverage jobs in check to produce coverage reports for projects separately from the main unittes run | 16:41 |
| ayoung | want me to open some bugs for that? | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | if we are specifying behavior rather than "did you write a test that exercises the code" | 16:42 |
| clarkb | this is done because python coverage impacts timing in ways that can break things and be difficult to fix | 16:42 |
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| kmalloc | it is better. | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | clarkb: our coverage report is voting, at least in check. | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | iirc | 16:42 |
| ayoung | "Mapping engine tester is untested" | 16:42 |
| knikolla | is the current coverage job enough? if not, what is it missing? | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | writing purely synthetic tests that shows the code behaves as it was written is a lot less useful than "here is the expected behavior, does it do that" | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | and we tend to do a lot more of the former | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: i don't know what is missing from the coverage report being at least initially useful. | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | i think it's initially useful - i guess i just want it to be more accessible? | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | publish it alongside docs? make the coverage report a part of the dev docs? | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | *coverage*->>docs.o.o/developer/keystone/coverage [not real url, but example] | 16:46 |
| knikolla | sure | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | i'm fine with that | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that might be a good idea | 16:46 |
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| kmalloc | it will make our docs job a LOT slower | 16:47 |
| ayoung | so, when submitting a patch, run covereage, and make sure your new code is covered. When reviewing a patch, do the same. | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | or we would need a docs-coverage publisher | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | it only have to run unit tests? | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | yeah it has to run all the unit tests | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | docs does not have to do that today | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: but ftr we already do that on every patch: example of one I am working on http://logs.openstack.org/24/582724/1/check/openstack-tox-cover/7263f00/cover/ | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | the report is already run in check [and if the job fails, the patch gets a -1] | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | from zuul | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: right now, we just need to, as reviewers, look at that result :) | 16:49 |
| ayoung | does not check every line is covered, or these would never get through | 16:49 |
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| kmalloc | that is the job of reviewers | 16:49 |
| ayoung | right | 16:49 |
| knikolla | kmalloc: ++ | 16:49 |
| kmalloc | 100% test coverage does not mean anything useful | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | never has | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | because you then have 1000000000 mocks. look at the bad pattern in a lot of bigger java (historically) projects | 16:50 |
| kmalloc | does this test the bits of code you'd expect: yes/no, that is a human question | 16:50 |
| ayoung | that gets into design issues. All I am saying is that changed lines of code need tests. | 16:51 |
| ayoung | I'll see if I can automate that | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | i have to step out of this convo, i am so opposed to this line of thinking as an automatable task... | 16:51 |
| kmalloc | the only proposal I recommend at this point is: Reviewers, look at the coverage report please. and add it to the factors you use to review code | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | anything else we want to cover with this topic? | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: ++ | 16:52 |
| knikolla | it's my failure as a reviewer if i let something in which isn't tested, and that tests don't cover edge cases or behaviors | 16:53 |
| knikolla | i wouldn't trust the automation anyway because edge cases | 16:53 |
| ayoung | "Never send a man to do a machines job." | 16:54 |
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| ayoung | "Never send a Human to do a machine's job." is the proper quote | 16:55 |
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| ayoung | so to see the lines that change from a patch looks like it is scriptable... | 16:55 |
| ayoung | and then pull thyose line numbers out of cover: | 16:55 |
| ayoung | for example, in cover/keystone_server_flask_common_py.html | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: i can point to concrete examples of why automation is very hard on this: any abstract base class that does NotImplementedError() is NOT tested | 16:57 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, as I said, first step is tooling | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: the wsgi framework loaders don't get captured in unit tests and can't be | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | because of how they load | 16:57 |
| knikolla | a machine's job here would be aiding the reviewer to make a decision. the binary tested or not doesn't help me too much. what would help me would be a "here's where this changed line is tested from". | 16:57 |
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| kmalloc | this is why functional tests, a real keystone, is useful | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | and behavior | 16:57 |
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| lbragstad | three minute check | 16:57 |
| kmalloc | i'll go on record and say i'm a hard -2 on adding jobs that do coverage level checks until we have clear examples on it working and not forcing needing to mock things for the sake of "did we test this" | 16:58 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: ++ better "we tested with testcase X and Y and Z" would be good | 16:59 |
| kmalloc | but that is also *hard* | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | alright - wrapping this up since we're out of time | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming all! | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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