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| dkrol_ | zhaochao: Will you chair our meeting today ? | 13:55 |
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| zhaochao | dkrol_: yes, sorry, I'm a little late | 14:02 |
| zhaochao | #startmeeting trove | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 22 14:02:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhaochao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 14:02 |
| mpiwowarczy | hi | 14:02 |
| dkrol_ | zhaochao: no problem - it is great you are here | 14:02 |
| zhaochao | mpiwowarczy: dkrol_ hi | 14:02 |
| bzurkowski | Hello | 14:02 |
| zhaochao | bzurkowski: hello | 14:02 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: :) | 14:02 |
| zhaochao | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:03 | |
| zhaochao | it seems we could just skip this topic | 14:03 |
| zhaochao | however let's still wait for another minute | 14:03 |
| dkrol_ | what is this topic about ? | 14:03 |
| dkrol_ | I'm trying to make notes for future meetings :) | 14:04 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: just wait for people to show up | 14:04 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: when would you like to begin charing our weekly meetings? :) | 14:05 |
| dkrol_ | zhaochao: it is not important for me but I would like to be prepared just in case | 14:06 |
| dkrol_ | zhaochao: so my question would be when do you want to stop chairing the meetings ? :) | 14:07 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: then you could decide, maybe the next one or the one after the next | 14:07 |
| zhaochao | OK, it seems only us here today | 14:07 |
| zhaochao | let's start | 14:07 |
| zhaochao | #topic Rocky goal updates | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky goal updates (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:07 | |
| zhaochao | so we only have more than one week for the Rocky cycle | 14:08 |
| zhaochao | I think most of the Rocky goals have to delayed to Stein, :( | 14:08 |
| zhaochao | for the last week, I didn't have time work on the project | 14:08 |
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| dkrol_ | is there any list of these goals and their state ? | 14:09 |
| zhaochao | I noticed some new patches and some updated patches, but didn't have time to review on them | 14:09 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: yes, I talked about the pads before | 14:10 |
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| zhaochao | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-priorities-and-specs-tracking | 14:10 |
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| mpiwowarczy | I have to unearthed two changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558096/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/585875/ | 14:10 |
| zhaochao | and a google sheet | 14:10 |
| dkrol_ | there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/589760/ | 14:11 |
| zhaochao | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jz6TnmRHnhbg6J_tSBXv-SvYIrG4NLh4nWejupxqdeg/edit#gid=0 | 14:11 |
| dkrol_ | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/594241/ | 14:11 |
| mpiwowarczy | are ready for review | 14:11 |
| dkrol_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/591959/ - this one was abandoned | 14:11 |
| dkrol_ | zhaochao: ok, I remember now. I should create a new similar etherpad with priorities and goals for Stein release | 14:13 |
| zhaochao | mpiwowarczy: yes, I got the noficiation mails, thanks for working on that | 14:13 |
| mpiwowarczy | zhaochao: your welcome | 14:14 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: yes, that could be useful | 14:14 |
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| zhaochao | I only managed to update the trovestack redesign page today | 14:15 |
| zhaochao | add some basic ideas about the plan | 14:15 |
| mpiwowarczy | sooon I want to finish change from python3-first topic | 14:16 |
| dkrol_ | no problem, we did some reviews. I will work on plan for Stein release this week | 14:16 |
| bzurkowski | I made a review for zhanggang related to cluster OSC: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/591958/ - it is very close to the submission. | 14:16 |
| bzurkowski | By the way we have found that some conventions from the global guideline are not respected in the python-troveclient, e.g. the naming of long options. zhanggang declared to work on unifying this in the near future. | 14:16 |
| bzurkowski | https://docs.openstack.org/python-openstackclient/latest/cli/commands.html | 14:17 |
| zhaochao | mpiwowarczy: that would be great, I did some investigation of the problems for the current python3 first patches, I will help on review | 14:17 |
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| mpiwowarczy | zhaochao: got it | 14:17 |
| bzurkowski | At the very last moment I also added a few comments from my side to trovestack-redesign. I will add more after the meeting. | 14:18 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: that's great, most of the rocky goals may have to be moved the Stein page and reevaluated | 14:18 |
| zhaochao | bzurkowski: Oh, migrating to OSC client have been slowly progressing from Queens, hoping we could finally finish it, and yes, we should follow the OSC convention | 14:21 |
| * zhaochao reading comments for the trovetask redesign | 14:21 | |
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| zhaochao | bzurkowski: I read about your comments, let's make trovestack redesign a seperate topic later | 14:23 |
| bzurkowski | ok | 14:24 |
| zhaochao | for the last week updates, I see the rocky branch creating patches are merged today | 14:24 |
| zhaochao | and we don't have some critical patches recently, so we may won't have any patches to be merged into the rocky branch in the next weeks | 14:25 |
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| dkrol_ | it is ok for me | 14:26 |
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| zhaochao | OK, that's all from my side for the last week, do you have any other topics on that? | 14:27 |
| mpiwowarczy | nothing | 14:27 |
| bzurkowski | No more comments from my side | 14:27 |
| dkrol_ | just to summarize: Rocky release is going ok, we should prepare a new plan for Stein taking into account progress during Rocky; we have some merged commits and ongoind development | 14:28 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: good summary, thanks, :) | 14:29 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: you could use a \#info command to make a note for that | 14:30 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: for the meetbot irc commands, you could refer to https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot | 14:31 |
| zhaochao | I think only a few commands may be frequently used | 14:31 |
| zhaochao | OK, I temporarily add another topic for trovestack redesign | 14:32 |
| zhaochao | let's move on to that | 14:32 |
| dkrol_ | ok | 14:32 |
| zhaochao | #topic trovestack redesign | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "trovestack redesign (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:32 | |
| zhaochao | bzurkowski: for the DIB elements, I may not make it clear | 14:33 |
| zhaochao | yes, we should have them in the trove repo | 14:33 |
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| zhaochao | the elements will be refined (based on current trovestack elements and for CentOS, the projects you mentioned in the comments)) | 14:34 |
| zhaochao | and for building guestagent images in the devstack plugin | 14:35 |
| zhaochao | the logic is, when we run the trove devstack plugin, we're expecting an usable trove dev environment | 14:36 |
| zhaochao | and the guestagent image are one necessary part, so we cannot move it out of the devstack plugin | 14:36 |
| dkrol_ | this is good point | 14:38 |
| zhaochao | usually we only need to one guestagent image during the dev env setup, so I think the time for preparing dev env should be OK | 14:38 |
| bzurkowski | I agree that the plugin should provide Trove environment ready for use | 14:39 |
| bzurkowski | The problem with building guest images using devstack plugin is, however, that the process may take a significant amount of time and it is error-prone | 14:39 |
| zhaochao | and if the DIB elements are well structured, we may also need to provide another simple script to create guestagent for any datastore (and datastore version) | 14:39 |
| bzurkowski | One timeout or inactive package repo may crush the installation | 14:39 |
| zhaochao | bzurkowski: this could also be solved by allowing devstack plugin to use pre-built guestagent images | 14:40 |
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| bzurkowski | zhaochao: Do you mean, to expose pre-built images to the public? That could be an option. | 14:41 |
| dkrol_ | we could also try to prepare a more lightweight image for testing purpose | 14:41 |
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| bzurkowski | It seems to me that I have already heard about similar idea during one of the summits. | 14:42 |
| dkrol_ | pre-built image is a valid option but it creates additional effort to host them | 14:42 |
| zhaochao | bzurkowski: no, just provide different choices for the users of the devstack plugin, the CI job may also need to build the guestagent images every time | 14:42 |
| zhaochao | for the end users/developers, they could use their own pre-built images to avoid slowing the devstack | 14:43 |
| bzurkowski | zhaochao: I see | 14:44 |
| zhaochao | the problem for CI jobs is we may don't have a easy way to tell the job whether it's necessary to build a new guestagent image(i.e the testing patch is changing the guestagent related source files) | 14:44 |
| dkrol_ | the time we need to wait doesn't worry me, but if it often fails due to some transient issue and the whole installation stops, this seems to be more important issue | 14:45 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: I remember there was the official pre-built images, however I think it's difficult to make the images 'official', the users may always have to build their own images | 14:47 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: do you mean the CI jobs or the real deployment? | 14:47 |
| mpiwowarczy | zhaochao: what about periodic build? zuul has obs triggered on a timer | 14:48 |
| mpiwowarczy | *jobs | 14:48 |
| bzurkowski | zhaochao: Pre-built images may be a good option for Trove new-comers. At this stage they are not interested in building own images, but rather in evaluating Trove featureset. | 14:49 |
| dkrol_ | zhaochao: both - IMHO building images should be as reliable as possible | 14:49 |
| zhaochao | mpiwowarczy: previously the trove dev images are built on that way | 14:49 |
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| zhaochao | bzurkowski: dkrol_ yes, then we could reimplement the post CI jobs for building dev images just like mpiwowarczy mentioned | 14:51 |
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| zhaochao | Having tested usable guestagent images could be much more friendly for the new users | 14:52 |
| zhaochao | so we could make this to our todo list of trovestack redesign topic too | 14:53 |
| mpiwowarczy | sounds great | 14:54 |
| dkrol_ | I'm a little bit concerned about pre-built images. I'm not sure why creating images couldn't be a part of trovestack installation ? | 14:54 |
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| dkrol_ | what are issues ? | 14:54 |
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| zhaochao | OK, I add a 'TODO list' section in the trove redesign pad | 14:56 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: what do you mean by creating images be a part of trovestack installation? | 14:56 |
| zhaochao | Oh, we're near the deadline for this meeting now, :( | 14:57 |
| dkrol_ | "usually we only need to one guestagent image during the dev env setup, so I think the time for preparing dev env should be OK" - I'm not sure why we want to change this logic to get pre-built images instead | 14:57 |
| dkrol_ | ok, we can continue our discussion on etherpad or on #openstack-trove | 14:58 |
| dkrol_ | do we have any other important topics ? | 14:58 |
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| zhaochao | dkrol_: yes, please add your concerns in the etherpad | 14:58 |
| zhaochao | no more topics from me | 14:58 |
| dkrol_ | I'm also ok | 14:59 |
| dkrol_ | and it is great we have this discussion :) | 14:59 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: for the pre-built images, I think we're not changing the logic, the pre-built images is for the new users | 14:59 |
| zhaochao | dkrol_: the CI job will always build guestagent images everytime | 14:59 |
| zhaochao | OK, let's end here today | 15:00 |
| zhaochao | thanks, everyone | 15:00 |
| dkrol_ | thanks | 15:00 |
| mpiwowarczy | thanks, bye | 15:00 |
| zhaochao | Good Day! | 15:00 |
| dkrol_ | you too | 15:00 |
| bzurkowski | Thank you and goodbye! | 15:00 |
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| zhaochao | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 15:00:30 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2018/trove.2018-08-22-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2018/trove.2018-08-22-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2018/trove.2018-08-22-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
| e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 22 15:00:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:00 |
| e0ne | hi everybody | 15:00 |
| e0ne | is anybody here for horizon meeting? | 15:02 |
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| amotoki | hi | 15:04 |
| amotoki | was pinged :) | 15:04 |
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| e0ne | amotoki: looks like nobody else is here:( | 15:05 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/594270/ | 15:05 |
| e0ne | we've got RC2 today | 15:05 |
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| amotoki | e0ne: yeah I saw that. | 15:06 |
| e0ne | amotoki: do you have anything to add? | 15:06 |
| e0ne | it'll be a short meeting tonight | 15:06 |
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| amotoki | there are several comments from mgmt perspective around me, but it might be beyond the scope of the change. | 15:07 |
| e0ne | amotoki: what comments? | 15:07 |
| amotoki | honestly it would be nice if we can use the cycle-highlights to our customers. | 15:08 |
| e0ne | good point | 15:08 |
| amotoki | from customers' perspective (as cloud architect's context), we need to appeal more/ | 15:09 |
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| e0ne | we can add everything needed | 15:09 |
| amotoki | that's the point that 'cycle-highlights are for journalists'. | 15:09 |
| dklyle | o/ | 15:09 |
| e0ne | so I'm open for any suggestions | 15:09 |
| amotoki | e0ne: let's improve ours. how about an etherpad page? | 15:10 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-rocky-highlights | 15:10 |
| amotoki | nice | 15:11 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 15:11 |
| rdopiera | (sorry for being late) | 15:11 |
| amotoki | dklyle: rdopiera: good timing. we are discussing our cycle-highlights | 15:12 |
| amotoki | let's add the ideas to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-rocky-highlights | 15:12 |
| amotoki | the deadline is Thu at PCT | 15:12 |
| amotoki | e0ne: right? | 15:13 |
| e0ne | afaik, August 30th is the deadline for rocky | 15:13 |
| -amotoki- already have got home after having beers | 15:13 | |
| e0ne | @link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-release | 15:13 |
| e0ne | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-release | 15:13 |
| amotoki | note that this week is the last week for RC | 15:14 |
| amotoki | the next week is just for the release team. | 15:14 |
| amotoki | (without exceptions) | 15:14 |
| e0ne | oh.. so do we need to release horizon tomorrow? | 15:15 |
| e0ne | I'll check it with the release team | 15:15 |
| amotoki | at least RC2 should be cut | 15:15 |
| e0ne | we're done with rc2 a bit earlier today | 15:16 |
| e0ne | #topic horizon release | 15:16 |
| e0ne | :) | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "horizon release (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:16 | |
| amotoki | https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:16 |
| amotoki | it is the one we should be aware of. | 15:16 |
| amotoki | I might be in too much sync with the release team | 15:17 |
| amotoki | in the context of the neutron team. | 15:18 |
| amotoki | e0ne: translation import would be reasonable from my experiece. | 15:19 |
| e0ne | amotoki: do you expect some translation patches? I merged one this week | 15:20 |
| amotoki | e0ne: I am not sure. | 15:20 |
| amotoki | I can follow it up in that context as my i18n hat. | 15:20 |
| amotoki | if you/we need to sync with the i18n team more, i will follow it up. | 15:20 |
| amotoki | at least from JP/KR context, most translations have been completed. | 15:21 |
| e0ne | we've got one day more for rc3 with translations if any | 15:21 |
| amotoki | e0ne: okay, I will ping Frank after this | 15:21 |
| e0ne | amotoki: thanks | 15:22 |
| amotoki | e0ne: thanks. will sync with you tomorrow | 15:23 |
| e0ne | ok | 15:23 |
| e0ne | do we have anything else release-related to discuss? | 15:24 |
| amotoki | I also will send a mail to encourage translation import for horizon plugins | 15:24 |
| e0ne | great | 15:27 |
| e0ne | looks like we finished with this topic | 15:29 |
| e0ne | #topic OpenStack PTG | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack PTG (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:29 | |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:29 |
| e0ne | ^^ here is a list of proposed topics to discuss | 15:29 |
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| e0ne | feel free to add anything important for you | 15:29 |
| e0ne | #topic open discussion | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:32 | |
| amotoki | e0ne: do we have any expectations on attendees? | 15:33 |
| amotoki | I am afraid that the sessions depends on attendees too much | 15:34 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I'll send a note about PTG to the mailing list again. I hope we'll have some more people there | 15:34 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:34 |
| amotoki | I am not sure how many folks can join the session at PTG | 15:35 |
| e0ne | :( | 15:36 |
| amotoki | so I think it is important to discuss the topics more on the site and | 15:36 |
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| amotoki | how we can share the context and trigger further discussions. | 15:36 |
| amotoki | F2F is nice of course | 15:37 |
| amotoki | but we should not exclue offline attendees like this meeting | 15:37 |
| e0ne | we can try to do online streeaing | 15:37 |
| e0ne | and add good meeting notes too | 15:38 |
| amotoki | my point is just that. nothing more. | 15:38 |
| amotoki | in addition, we would have chances to discuss with other teams. | 15:38 |
| amotoki | perhaps we need to discuss more on plugin testings. | 15:39 |
| e0ne | let's try to do detailed meeting notes and share the summary right after the PTG | 15:39 |
| amotoki | +1 | 15:40 |
| amotoki | and share the schedule to be involved in more plugin folks | 15:40 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:41 |
| e0ne | I'll try to create a schedule to discuss it on the next meeting | 15:41 |
| amotoki | dklyle: do you have any keystone topic(s) you are aware of? | 15:42 |
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| dklyle | amotoki, no | 15:43 |
| dklyle | the only potential item I had was placement API support | 15:43 |
| amotoki | dklyle: it is just a qustions. among us, you are most familiar with so far. | 15:43 |
| amotoki | dklyle: thanks a lot | 15:44 |
| amotoki | yeah, "placement" is the area we all need to take care in Stein | 15:44 |
| amotoki | it is related to keystone, nova, neutron at least. cinder might be involved. | 15:45 |
| amotoki | super anbiguous are..... | 15:45 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:45 |
| amotoki | perhaps nova and neutron should be .. though | 15:46 |
| amotoki | I would like the horizon team to be a collection of folks familiar with individual project teams. | 15:47 |
| persia | +1 | 15:47 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:47 |
| e0ne | at least, I would like to have some defined process to get info from projects what features are most important to implement | 15:48 |
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| amotoki | yeah, regardless of we can disucss enough or not, let's try to gather volunteers! | 15:50 |
| e0ne | maybe we can have official liaisons for horizon | 15:51 |
| amotoki | hehe... how liaisons works fine is a separate problem....though | 15:53 |
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| e0ne | :) | 15:53 |
| e0ne | it's a good topic for PTG | 15:54 |
| amotoki | I am involved in too many liaisons.... API-SIG, horizon, i18n with neutron | 15:54 |
| amotoki | (I was very careful at the order of the projects :) :) ) | 15:54 |
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| e0ne | amotoki: :) | 15:55 |
| amotoki | e0ne can replace my neutron with cinder, but it's not surprising. | 15:55 |
| e0ne | I think, I can reach other PTLs face-to-face at PTG to discuss how can we handle it | 15:55 |
| amotoki | yeah, it is a good chance to discuss a lot | 15:56 |
| e0ne | it's really important topic I would like to take care on | 15:56 |
| amotoki | yeah, let's join the TC sessions | 15:56 |
| amotoki | perhaps we can raise some common topics | 15:57 |
| e0ne | +++ | 15:57 |
| e0ne | also, we need to check our contributors docs if they are up to date | 15:57 |
| e0ne | #action e0ne to check horizon docs | 15:57 |
| e0ne | if we've got clear documentation, it'll be easier to involve some contributors from other projects | 15:58 |
| amotoki | (the most problem to me is that I haven't got the travel approval today.. would try to travel to Denver) | 15:58 |
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| e0ne | :( | 15:58 |
| e0ne | IMO, a lot of people think that they must know javascript to contribute | 15:59 |
| e0ne | 1 minute left | 15:59 |
| amotoki | anyway I woudl like to help the community | 15:59 |
| e0ne | +++ | 15:59 |
| e0ne | we can continue in #openstack-horizon | 15:59 |
| e0ne | thanks everybody and see you next week | 15:59 |
| e0ne | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 15:59:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-08-22-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-08-22-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-08-22-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| amotoki | o/ | 16:00 |
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