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tbarron#startmeeting manila15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 23 15:01:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:01
bswartz.o/15:02
dustins\o15:02
tbarron#chair bswartz15:02
openstackCurrent chairs: bswartz tbarron15:02
gansohello15:02
tbarronin case I get bounced15:02
tbarronping amito15:02
tbarronping erlon15:02
bswartzSorry I was on vacation last week15:02
tbarronping gouthamr15:02
erlonhey15:02
bswartzAnd I forgot to mention it15:02
amitoHi15:03
tbarronping vkmc15:03
vkmco/15:03
vkmchi15:03
xyanghi15:03
tbarronping xyang15:03
tbarronjinx15:03
gouthamro/15:03
xyangtbarron: can you see my msg?15:03
tbarronxyang: if it's "can you see my msg?" then yes15:04
tbarronxyang: I was just working through the ping list and did your name about the same time you said hi15:04
xyangtbarron: ok.  looks like I can still send msg to a channel but not private msgs.  I need to find out why15:04
tbarronxyang: hmm, some IDENT thing maybe15:05
tbarronHi all!15:05
bswartztbarron is avoiding getting kicked for flooding15:05
tbarronbswartz: hope you had a nice vacation!15:05
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bswartztbarron: I did! thank you15:05
zhongjun2_Hi15:05
tbarronzhongjun2_: Hi there!  I didn't see your nick in this channel so didn't ping you.15:06
tbarronThought you might have chosen to sleep for a change.15:06
zhongjun2_Oh, I just join in this channel15:06
tbarronWe don't have a big agenda today.15:06
tbarron#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting15:06
tbarron#topic Announcements15:07
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zhongjun2_Okay15:07
tbarronWe released manila-tempest-plugin last Friday, more15:07
tbarronor less synchronized with the tempest release itself, which is15:07
tbarronother things equal good for distros that need to package up this stuff.15:08
tbarronAs you probably all know we haven't had any critical bug reports with our rc candidate.15:08
tbarronSo we don't have an rc-n.15:08
bswartzHuzzah15:09
tbarronThe final rocky release is planned to be cut 29 August, next Wednesday.15:09
tbarronSome of you were asking me when stable/rocky will open up again.15:09
tbarronAfter the release, we're in a hold-down on that branch till then.15:10
tbarronMeanwhile, please start working on Stein!15:10
tbarronPTG planning etherpad is here:15:10
tbarron#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-201815:11
tbarronI have put up a review to open up Stein specs that should merge later today I think.15:11
tbarronzhongjun2_: it moves the access-rule-priority spec over.15:12
tbarronall please note that there is driver work to do to complete that spec.15:12
zhongjun2_I saw that patch. Thank you15:12
tbarronSo please plan to inspect your back end :) and see if you need to do anything.15:12
tbarronAnd look at the etherpad, add to it as you wish, and try to come to PTG prepared on issues that interest you.15:13
tbarronWe want PTG to be productive as well as fun :)15:13
gansozhongjun2_: will you not participate in the PTG remotely?15:14
tbarronFinal announcement, speaking of fun, is that we'll have a combined dinner with the cinder team.15:14
tbarronThere's a doodle poll to select the day.15:14
bswartzWhat's doodle?15:15
zhongjun2_I will participate part of meeting if the zone time is suitable15:15
tbarron#link https://doodle.com/poll/8rm3ahdyhmrtx5gp15:15
tbarronbswartz: it's that ^^15:15
tbarronThe proposed time is 7:30 Denver time.15:15
tbarronBut the web page keeps getting set back to Eastern time for some reason.15:15
zhongjun2_ganso: Do we have remote PTG meeting?15:16
bswartzOuch, 3 large banner ads, and I don't have an ad blocked on this VM15:16
tbarronLooks to me that it will be Tuesday night.15:16
gansozhongjun2_: yes, it is listed in the etherpad15:16
tbarronThanks to jungleboyj for setting up the doodle.15:16
jungleboyjNo problem.  :-)15:17
tbarronzhongjun2_: put your name next to topics and  we'll try to discuss those earlier ...15:17
tbarronThe planning etherpad has a place for remote attendees to indicate their timezones.15:17
zhongjun2_tbarron: Okay:)15:17
tbarronWhile we can't *promise* anything we'll do our best to run the agenda so that topics remote attendees are interested in match their availability.15:18
tbarronThat's all I have for announcements.15:19
tbarronAnyone else?15:19
tbarron#topic Bugs15:20
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tbarrondustins: you are up15:20
dustinsI'm actually good today!15:20
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dustinsNothing to report this time around15:20
tbarrondustins: you are always good15:20
dustinstbarron: I work hard at it15:20
vgreendustins++15:20
dustinsAnd aren't we all just works in progress :)15:21
tbarronok15:21
dustinsI'm going through the backlog of "new" bugs to see if they're actually new15:21
dustinsAnd as I do that I'll add some to the list to go over later15:21
dustinsI'll be out for the next couple of meetings, but I'll have some cool stuff to look at when I return15:21
tbarronok15:22
tbarron#topic Open Discussion15:22
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tbarronganso: I did a test run on stable/queens for that generic driver bug report which you were generous enough to comment on.15:23
tbarronganso: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592700/15:23
tbarronganso: maybe when you get a chance you can point to the successful share creations there and to15:24
gansotbarron: as we suspected, there doesn't seem to be a problem there15:24
tbarronganso: the package list from the devstack log15:24
gansotbarron: sure, I'll add a comment to the launchpad entry15:24
tbarronganso: suggesting that the bug reporter may want to compare and update his setup accordingly15:24
tbarronganso: ty!!15:24
gansotbarron: thanks for submitting the debug patch15:25
tbarronAnyone here up-to-date on placement service?15:25
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tbarronI will be studying it to understand better15:25
tbarronhow it solves scheduler races without suffering from them itself when it is run active-active15:26
gouthamr+115:26
tbarronInterestingly it is supposed to be quite lightweight, and15:26
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tbarronalso supposed to be capable of being used as a library instead of as an independent service.15:26
tbarronThis is relevant to positioning manila as open infrastructure that15:27
tbarroncan run with the rest of OpenStack or not, and with or without keystone.15:27
tbarronSomewhat related, you may notice that the PTG etherpad has manila as CSI driver on it.15:28
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tbarronIf you are working on this or know people who are, let's collaborate.15:28
bswartzWho added that?15:29
tbarronI did.15:29
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bswartzWhat do you know about it? Are you working on it tbarron?15:29
tbarronlearning, not working yet15:30
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tbarronthere's lots of interest where I work and I notice at CERN15:31
tbarronand with my upstream PTL hat on I think the continued vitality of manila15:31
tbarrondepends on positioning it as open infrastructure15:31
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tbarron(as you notice is happening to OpenStack anyways)15:32
tbarronthat doesn't live solely for the purpose of providing storage to nova VMs.15:32
tbarronmanila is well positioned for such a role since it serves up storage over networks rather than15:33
tbarronthrough a hypervisor15:33
bswartzNevertheless there's a bunch of work to integrate cinder w/ containers15:33
tbarronbswartz: yes, and a crying need for RWX storage as well :)15:34
bswartzThe hypervisor vs over-the-network issues doesn't seem to be stopping anybody15:34
tbarronbswartz: right, cinder has "local attach" now15:34
tbarronall I'm saying is that manila doesn't have to worry about that.15:35
bswartzIndeed15:35
bswartzI'm involved with the Kubernetes NFS connectivity code15:35
tbarronor doing multi-attach and adding a write arbitrator15:35
tbarronbswartz: awesome!15:36
zhongjun2_bswartz: cool, do you have a code link?15:37
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bswartzWell the code is part of kubernetes today15:37
bswartzAll kubernetes has to do is perform the mount15:38
bswartzThe only interesting part of it is how mount options get communicated15:38
bswartzCSI currently does not support mount options, but I'm fixing that15:38
bswartzThe legacy NFS stuff in Kubernetes does support mount options15:39
tbarronbswartz: have you thought about multi-protocol?15:39
tbarrona *manila* csi driver (vs just nfs) would really need that15:40
bswartzWhat do you mean multiprotocol?15:40
bswartzThere's not a ton if interest in CIFS if that's what you mean15:40
tbarronnfs, cifs, ceph native, etc.15:40
bswartzI'm sure ceph support exists, for blocks at least15:40
tbarronthere is interest in ceph native and I am interested in manila as abstraction layer over that and nfs15:40
bswartzCephfs may exist, but I wouldn't know anything about it15:41
tbarronyeah, people are doign nfs, glusterfs, cephfs separately15:41
tbarronmanila csi would abstract15:41
bswartzA challenge for a generic manila driver would be supporting all those protocol in 1 driver15:41
bswartzIt would be far simpler to write a manila driver that only supported the NFS subset of backends15:42
bswartzOr a manila driver that support cephfs only, for exampe15:42
* bswartz can't type15:42
tbarroneasier, I agree15:42
tbarronbut the abstraction layer could be quite useful for cloud admins who don't want to lock in15:43
bswartzYou'd have to look at the use cases15:43
bswartzWith kubernetes, at least, you have a million storage options, so lock in doesn't seem like a problem15:44
bswartzWith other CO's the problem could be worse, but CSI is making it better15:44
tbarronWell I've got lots to learn and it's good to know our original PTL knows a lot about this stuff!15:46
tbarronAnything else for today?15:46
tbarronOK, see y'all in #openstack-manila ...15:47
tbarron#endmeeting15:47
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