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tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 23 15:01:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
bswartz | .o/ | 15:02 |
dustins | \o | 15:02 |
tbarron | #chair bswartz | 15:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: bswartz tbarron | 15:02 |
ganso | hello | 15:02 |
tbarron | in case I get bounced | 15:02 |
tbarron | ping amito | 15:02 |
tbarron | ping erlon | 15:02 |
bswartz | Sorry I was on vacation last week | 15:02 |
tbarron | ping gouthamr | 15:02 |
erlon | hey | 15:02 |
bswartz | And I forgot to mention it | 15:02 |
amito | Hi | 15:03 |
tbarron | ping vkmc | 15:03 |
vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
vkmc | hi | 15:03 |
xyang | hi | 15:03 |
tbarron | ping xyang | 15:03 |
tbarron | jinx | 15:03 |
gouthamr | o/ | 15:03 |
xyang | tbarron: can you see my msg? | 15:03 |
tbarron | xyang: if it's "can you see my msg?" then yes | 15:04 |
tbarron | xyang: I was just working through the ping list and did your name about the same time you said hi | 15:04 |
xyang | tbarron: ok. looks like I can still send msg to a channel but not private msgs. I need to find out why | 15:04 |
tbarron | xyang: hmm, some IDENT thing maybe | 15:05 |
tbarron | Hi all! | 15:05 |
bswartz | tbarron is avoiding getting kicked for flooding | 15:05 |
tbarron | bswartz: hope you had a nice vacation! | 15:05 |
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bswartz | tbarron: I did! thank you | 15:05 |
zhongjun2_ | Hi | 15:05 |
tbarron | zhongjun2_: Hi there! I didn't see your nick in this channel so didn't ping you. | 15:06 |
tbarron | Thought you might have chosen to sleep for a change. | 15:06 |
zhongjun2_ | Oh, I just join in this channel | 15:06 |
tbarron | We don't have a big agenda today. | 15:06 |
tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:06 |
tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:07 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
zhongjun2_ | Okay | 15:07 |
tbarron | We released manila-tempest-plugin last Friday, more | 15:07 |
tbarron | or less synchronized with the tempest release itself, which is | 15:07 |
tbarron | other things equal good for distros that need to package up this stuff. | 15:08 |
tbarron | As you probably all know we haven't had any critical bug reports with our rc candidate. | 15:08 |
tbarron | So we don't have an rc-n. | 15:08 |
bswartz | Huzzah | 15:09 |
tbarron | The final rocky release is planned to be cut 29 August, next Wednesday. | 15:09 |
tbarron | Some of you were asking me when stable/rocky will open up again. | 15:09 |
tbarron | After the release, we're in a hold-down on that branch till then. | 15:10 |
tbarron | Meanwhile, please start working on Stein! | 15:10 |
tbarron | PTG planning etherpad is here: | 15:10 |
tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:11 |
tbarron | I have put up a review to open up Stein specs that should merge later today I think. | 15:11 |
tbarron | zhongjun2_: it moves the access-rule-priority spec over. | 15:12 |
tbarron | all please note that there is driver work to do to complete that spec. | 15:12 |
zhongjun2_ | I saw that patch. Thank you | 15:12 |
tbarron | So please plan to inspect your back end :) and see if you need to do anything. | 15:12 |
tbarron | And look at the etherpad, add to it as you wish, and try to come to PTG prepared on issues that interest you. | 15:13 |
tbarron | We want PTG to be productive as well as fun :) | 15:13 |
ganso | zhongjun2_: will you not participate in the PTG remotely? | 15:14 |
tbarron | Final announcement, speaking of fun, is that we'll have a combined dinner with the cinder team. | 15:14 |
tbarron | There's a doodle poll to select the day. | 15:14 |
bswartz | What's doodle? | 15:15 |
zhongjun2_ | I will participate part of meeting if the zone time is suitable | 15:15 |
tbarron | #link https://doodle.com/poll/8rm3ahdyhmrtx5gp | 15:15 |
tbarron | bswartz: it's that ^^ | 15:15 |
tbarron | The proposed time is 7:30 Denver time. | 15:15 |
tbarron | But the web page keeps getting set back to Eastern time for some reason. | 15:15 |
zhongjun2_ | ganso: Do we have remote PTG meeting? | 15:16 |
bswartz | Ouch, 3 large banner ads, and I don't have an ad blocked on this VM | 15:16 |
tbarron | Looks to me that it will be Tuesday night. | 15:16 |
ganso | zhongjun2_: yes, it is listed in the etherpad | 15:16 |
tbarron | Thanks to jungleboyj for setting up the doodle. | 15:16 |
jungleboyj | No problem. :-) | 15:17 |
tbarron | zhongjun2_: put your name next to topics and we'll try to discuss those earlier ... | 15:17 |
tbarron | The planning etherpad has a place for remote attendees to indicate their timezones. | 15:17 |
zhongjun2_ | tbarron: Okay:) | 15:17 |
tbarron | While we can't *promise* anything we'll do our best to run the agenda so that topics remote attendees are interested in match their availability. | 15:18 |
tbarron | That's all I have for announcements. | 15:19 |
tbarron | Anyone else? | 15:19 |
tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:20 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
tbarron | dustins: you are up | 15:20 |
dustins | I'm actually good today! | 15:20 |
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dustins | Nothing to report this time around | 15:20 |
tbarron | dustins: you are always good | 15:20 |
dustins | tbarron: I work hard at it | 15:20 |
vgreen | dustins++ | 15:20 |
dustins | And aren't we all just works in progress :) | 15:21 |
tbarron | ok | 15:21 |
dustins | I'm going through the backlog of "new" bugs to see if they're actually new | 15:21 |
dustins | And as I do that I'll add some to the list to go over later | 15:21 |
dustins | I'll be out for the next couple of meetings, but I'll have some cool stuff to look at when I return | 15:21 |
tbarron | ok | 15:22 |
tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:22 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:22 | |
tbarron | ganso: I did a test run on stable/queens for that generic driver bug report which you were generous enough to comment on. | 15:23 |
tbarron | ganso: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592700/ | 15:23 |
tbarron | ganso: maybe when you get a chance you can point to the successful share creations there and to | 15:24 |
ganso | tbarron: as we suspected, there doesn't seem to be a problem there | 15:24 |
tbarron | ganso: the package list from the devstack log | 15:24 |
ganso | tbarron: sure, I'll add a comment to the launchpad entry | 15:24 |
tbarron | ganso: suggesting that the bug reporter may want to compare and update his setup accordingly | 15:24 |
tbarron | ganso: ty!! | 15:24 |
ganso | tbarron: thanks for submitting the debug patch | 15:25 |
tbarron | Anyone here up-to-date on placement service? | 15:25 |
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tbarron | I will be studying it to understand better | 15:25 |
tbarron | how it solves scheduler races without suffering from them itself when it is run active-active | 15:26 |
gouthamr | +1 | 15:26 |
tbarron | Interestingly it is supposed to be quite lightweight, and | 15:26 |
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tbarron | also supposed to be capable of being used as a library instead of as an independent service. | 15:26 |
tbarron | This is relevant to positioning manila as open infrastructure that | 15:27 |
tbarron | can run with the rest of OpenStack or not, and with or without keystone. | 15:27 |
tbarron | Somewhat related, you may notice that the PTG etherpad has manila as CSI driver on it. | 15:28 |
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tbarron | If you are working on this or know people who are, let's collaborate. | 15:28 |
bswartz | Who added that? | 15:29 |
tbarron | I did. | 15:29 |
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bswartz | What do you know about it? Are you working on it tbarron? | 15:29 |
tbarron | learning, not working yet | 15:30 |
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tbarron | there's lots of interest where I work and I notice at CERN | 15:31 |
tbarron | and with my upstream PTL hat on I think the continued vitality of manila | 15:31 |
tbarron | depends on positioning it as open infrastructure | 15:31 |
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tbarron | (as you notice is happening to OpenStack anyways) | 15:32 |
tbarron | that doesn't live solely for the purpose of providing storage to nova VMs. | 15:32 |
tbarron | manila is well positioned for such a role since it serves up storage over networks rather than | 15:33 |
tbarron | through a hypervisor | 15:33 |
bswartz | Nevertheless there's a bunch of work to integrate cinder w/ containers | 15:33 |
tbarron | bswartz: yes, and a crying need for RWX storage as well :) | 15:34 |
bswartz | The hypervisor vs over-the-network issues doesn't seem to be stopping anybody | 15:34 |
tbarron | bswartz: right, cinder has "local attach" now | 15:34 |
tbarron | all I'm saying is that manila doesn't have to worry about that. | 15:35 |
bswartz | Indeed | 15:35 |
bswartz | I'm involved with the Kubernetes NFS connectivity code | 15:35 |
tbarron | or doing multi-attach and adding a write arbitrator | 15:35 |
tbarron | bswartz: awesome! | 15:36 |
zhongjun2_ | bswartz: cool, do you have a code link? | 15:37 |
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bswartz | Well the code is part of kubernetes today | 15:37 |
bswartz | All kubernetes has to do is perform the mount | 15:38 |
bswartz | The only interesting part of it is how mount options get communicated | 15:38 |
bswartz | CSI currently does not support mount options, but I'm fixing that | 15:38 |
bswartz | The legacy NFS stuff in Kubernetes does support mount options | 15:39 |
tbarron | bswartz: have you thought about multi-protocol? | 15:39 |
tbarron | a *manila* csi driver (vs just nfs) would really need that | 15:40 |
bswartz | What do you mean multiprotocol? | 15:40 |
bswartz | There's not a ton if interest in CIFS if that's what you mean | 15:40 |
tbarron | nfs, cifs, ceph native, etc. | 15:40 |
bswartz | I'm sure ceph support exists, for blocks at least | 15:40 |
tbarron | there is interest in ceph native and I am interested in manila as abstraction layer over that and nfs | 15:40 |
bswartz | Cephfs may exist, but I wouldn't know anything about it | 15:41 |
tbarron | yeah, people are doign nfs, glusterfs, cephfs separately | 15:41 |
tbarron | manila csi would abstract | 15:41 |
bswartz | A challenge for a generic manila driver would be supporting all those protocol in 1 driver | 15:41 |
bswartz | It would be far simpler to write a manila driver that only supported the NFS subset of backends | 15:42 |
bswartz | Or a manila driver that support cephfs only, for exampe | 15:42 |
* bswartz can't type | 15:42 | |
tbarron | easier, I agree | 15:42 |
tbarron | but the abstraction layer could be quite useful for cloud admins who don't want to lock in | 15:43 |
bswartz | You'd have to look at the use cases | 15:43 |
bswartz | With kubernetes, at least, you have a million storage options, so lock in doesn't seem like a problem | 15:44 |
bswartz | With other CO's the problem could be worse, but CSI is making it better | 15:44 |
tbarron | Well I've got lots to learn and it's good to know our original PTL knows a lot about this stuff! | 15:46 |
tbarron | Anything else for today? | 15:46 |
tbarron | OK, see y'all in #openstack-manila ... | 15:47 |
tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:47 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 23 15:47:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-08-23-15.01.html | 15:47 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-08-23-15.01.txt | 15:47 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-08-23-15.01.log.html | 15:47 |
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