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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 6 15:00:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
| zhongjun2_ | Hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
| tbarron | ping xyang | 15:00 |
| tbarron | ping ganso | 15:01 |
| tbarron | ping erlon | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| tbarron | ping tpsilva | 15:01 |
| tbarron | ping vkmc | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Hi all | 15:01 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Probably a short meeting today ... | 15:01 |
| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| tbarron | Next week is PTG! | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Amit just pinged me, he's in SFO on his way to the rockies ... | 15:02 |
| tbarron | We won't have *this* meeting next week. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | But we'll meet for PTG on Monday and Tuesday. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Tune in to #openstack-ptg for real-time updates. | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | ganso: are you still planning on bringing the webcam? | 15:04 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes! | 15:04 |
| tbarron | ganso: excellent. We'll do remote connectivity the way we did in Dublin then. | 15:04 |
| bswartz | What meeting platform will you use? | 15:04 |
| tbarron | In dublin we ended up with bluejeans iirc. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | vkmc got it going. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | I will check with her. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | +1 for the AV club | 15:05 |
| ganso | afaik bluejeans is easier to convert to a video format than webex. I remember gouthamr saying it was a lot of effort to convert the videos to upload to youtube | 15:06 |
| tbarron | she mad some nice youtube recordings for us. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | people can set up webex for an additional voice channel if useful. | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | yeah, cisco had a proprietary converter that stopped working for the latest webex | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | don't know if they released/fixed the converter | 15:07 |
| tbarron | but bluejeans has a perfectly good dialin for phone | 15:07 |
| bswartz | No complaints about bluejeans | 15:07 |
| tbarron | and you can run it on android, etc. if you don't want to pollute your notebook. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | kk | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Reminder that the planning etherpad is: | 15:08 |
| tbarron | in the channel topic | 15:08 |
| tbarron | and | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Although bluejeans has the distinction of being the only app to ever cause a kernel panic on my laptop | 15:08 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:08 |
| tbarron | bswartz: it eats ram | 15:08 |
| tbarron | I'll spend some time cleaning up that page but go on and dump ideas into it. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | Also indicate there or ping me with any time restriction/topic interestes. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | Remember we're on mountain time, UTC-6 I think. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Do you plan to go 9AM-5PM local time? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | zhongjun2_: we'll be sure to talk about access-list-prio early | 15:10 |
| zhongjun2_ | Thanks | 15:10 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yes, at least start at 9. Maybe we don't have to go till 5. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | There will be lots of remotees to the east of us. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | We might do some working sessions towards the end of the day Monday and Tuesday. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'll miss being able to hang out with you guys | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: we are going to miss you! It will feel really different. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | But I'll stay as late as I can on the remote connection | 15:12 |
| tbarron | We'll have a team dinner with the Cinder folks Tuesday night at 7:30. | 15:12 |
| ganso | bswartz: :'( | 15:12 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj and amito are planning where. | 15:12 |
| bswartz | At that place with the pork wings? | 15:12 |
| tbarron | so stay tuned ... | 15:12 |
| ganso | bswartz: not sure if the dinner will be there, but I'll surely head there grab some pork wings | 15:13 |
| tbarron | We'll start Monday with a retrospective on rocky. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | I set up an etherpad which you can start filling out *now*! | 15:13 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-retrospective | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Please take a little time to think about what went well and what we can do better in Stein. | 15:14 |
| tbarron | Also, we have through Tuesday to brainstorm on topics for the Berlin Forum. | 15:14 |
| tbarron | Pls. think of stuff that we should discuss with Operators. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | And note ideas here: | 15:15 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manilap-berlin-forum-brainstorm | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | tbarron, typo in the title :) | 15:16 |
| tbarron | In Vancouver we had several high performance / scientific sig type folks in the room for this | 15:16 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I'll make a new etherpad in a moment w/o the typo | 15:17 |
| tbarron | gouthamr++ | 15:17 |
| tbarron | and I'll add a bit of context to the pad | 15:17 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-berlin-forum-brainstorm | 15:17 |
| tbarron | anyways, the Vancouver session was worth it for meeting the people who showed up, Minn Supercomputing Center, the big array telescope whose acronym is escaping me, and CERN of course | 15:19 |
| tbarron | SKA | 15:19 |
| tbarron | square kilometer | 15:19 |
| tbarron | I'll email the dev and ops lists with these etherpad links. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | And solicit input. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | Any other announcements? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | #topi Open Discussion | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:21 | |
| ganso | I have a topic | 15:21 |
| tbarron | ganso: go for it | 15:21 |
| ganso | my team is working for a functional test for a specific bug we are fixing | 15:21 |
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| ganso | the test involves creating an additional neutron subnet and then creating 1 share on each subnet (2 total) | 15:22 |
| ganso | there is a cleanup problem to delete the neutron subnet | 15:22 |
| ganso | it says it has a port in use | 15:22 |
| bswartz | Any nova VMs involved? | 15:22 |
| ganso | it needs a sleep of 20 seconds to pass the test without complaining about ports in use | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: no VMs | 15:23 |
| bswartz | What happens during those 20s? | 15:23 |
| tbarron | ganso gets quick coffed | 15:23 |
| tbarron | coffee | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: I believe that it gives time to delete the share server and clear out all allocated neutron ports | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | ganso: are you explicitly cleaning up the share server? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | 20s isn't much time to get coffee | 15:24 |
| ganso | gouthamr: at the moment, we aren't. We are doing experiments on another class with admin client to do that | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | s/coffed/covfefe | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: if the coffee machine is right beside you, it is | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I think gouthamr is onto the right idea | 15:24 |
| bswartz | In a testing context, you need to use an admin credential to force deletion for cleanup purposes | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Otherwise the required wait time is hard to guess | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Even if you had a proper wait loop that queried on readiness for deletion, you can't bound how long that loop will run | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes, but I believe our mechanism is a bit flawed, in the sense that it is a bit incompatible with our current cleanup strategy | 15:25 |
| ganso | when we delete shares, share servers are not deleted instantly | 15:25 |
| bswartz | But they should be | 15:26 |
| ganso | I tried to set that flag "delete_share_server_with_last_share" and it still did not work | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | ganso: all test classes that create a share should have an admin client now, thanks to vkmc's latest work.. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ganso that last thing might be a bug | 15:26 |
| ganso | gouthamr: hmmm I didn't know that in detail. Will test to see if I have access to admin client now | 15:26 |
| bswartz | Or if the deletion is asynchronous, it might have started but not finished | 15:26 |
| bswartz | You need a way to synchronously delete for testing purposes | 15:27 |
| ganso | so, one thing I know, is that when deleting a share server, after the teardown, the driver returns, and then the manager does some stuff, and lastly, it sends an asynchronous (AFAIK) request to neutron to deallocate the ports | 15:27 |
| ganso | but I was still surprised that it took 20 seconds for the ports to be cleared up. That's too much | 15:28 |
| ganso | the sleep proves that there is nothing wrong other than things that should be cleared immediately instead of relying on a timer to do so (or at least be configurable (and working, as "delete_share_server_with_last_share" seems to not be working properly)) | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | i'm surprised the share server was always cleaned up with a 20s delay | 15:29 |
| ganso | bswartz: the delete is not asynchronous as we have a waiter right after the delete | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | because the default automatic cleanup interval is 10 mins | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | oh wait, you mentioned you turned off automatic cleanup, and set "delete_share_server_with_last_share" instead | 15:29 |
| ganso | gouthamr: yea I found in the config options saying that the "minimum is 10 min", clearly it is being deleted in less than 10 minutes | 15:29 |
| ganso | I am actually confused as to what is causing the share server to be deleted. With "delete_share_server_with_last_share" set to False, it still gets cleared within 20 seconds | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | ganso: 10 mins absolute with best effort, that begins with manila/share process.. so some lag might occur | 15:30 |
| bswartz | Ah | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I bet that delete_share_server_with_last_share is what's ensuring that it happens relatively quickly (20 seconds instead of 10 minutes) | 15:32 |
| ganso | right now, I am investigating this https://github.com/openstack/manila-tempest-plugin/blob/master/manila_tempest_tests/tests/api/admin/test_share_servers.py#L245 | 15:32 |
| ganso | as it could lead me to the answer | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: but that flag is disabled | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | ganso: you're using pre-provisioned test credentials and not dynamically creating them? | 15:32 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I tried with both, result is the same | 15:32 |
| bswartz | Maybe the wait loop is waiting on the wrong thing | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: could be | 15:33 |
| ganso | but I get the feeling that this cleanup of share servers will need some refactoring | 15:33 |
| ganso | as it is not working as it is intended to be | 15:34 |
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| ganso | anyway this is what I had to say | 15:35 |
| tbarron | ganso: thanks for bringing the issue to our attention | 15:35 |
| tbarron | ganso: and thanks in advance for fixing it | 15:35 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:35 |
| ganso | =) | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:35 |
| ganso | gotta squash those bugs | 15:35 |
| tbarron | Anything else today? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | 3 | 15:36 |
| tbarron | 2 | 15:36 |
| tbarron | 1 | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ty! | 15:36 |
| tbarron | OK, thanks all!! | 15:36 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 6 15:36:36 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-09-06-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-09-06-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-09-06-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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