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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
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| * gouthamr beep beep | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 11 15:01:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| dustins | bswartz: The RH contingent is stuck in a meeting :) | 15:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:01 |
| amito | hello \o | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hi all | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Agenda: | 15:03 |
| dustins | \o | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| jgrosso | hi | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Let's congratulate amito for his role as a manila core! | 15:04 |
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| amito | Thanks! :) | 15:04 |
| dustins | \o/ | 15:04 |
| tbarron | And pile reviews on him :) | 15:04 |
| dustins | amito: Congratulations! | 15:04 |
| amito | Happy to join you. | 15:04 |
| ganso | amito: congrats! welcome to the core team! | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | congratulations amito, welcome | 15:04 |
| * bswartz fires confetti cannon | 15:04 | |
| jgrosso | Congrats amito welcome ! | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Seriously amito I'm very happy to have you join this distinguished group :) | 15:04 |
| amito | tbarron dustins ganso gouthamr jgrosso thank you all :) | 15:04 |
| amito | bswartz: lol | 15:04 |
| tbarron | The other announcment is that I sent email to the dev list with our proposed mid-cycle and Americas-time-zone bug smash days | 15:05 |
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| tbarron | So far no objections or counter-proposals. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | We'll give it till next week and then pick the proposed days if we don't hear anything to the contrary. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | Any other announcements? | 15:06 |
| tbarron | moving along then ... | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #topic planning our work | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "planning our work (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
| tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/SteinCycle | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #topic python3 | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python3 (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:08 | |
| tbarron | Next task here is switching xenial jobs to bionic beaver | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | I saw gouthamr working on this | 15:08 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: any remarks? | 15:08 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: yes, i'm stuck on a couple of things wrt this | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Anything you need help with? | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | i don't see any evidence of the ipv6 mounting issue resolved in bionic beaver | 15:09 |
| ganso | gouthamr: meaning, it is still broken? | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | ganso: on the contrary, something in the doc makes me think it'll not be fixed | 15:10 |
| * gouthamr looks for link | 15:10 | |
| ganso | :O | 15:10 |
| bswartz | on xenial, nfs-utils was 1.2.8, on bionic, nfs-utils is 1.3.4 | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608761/ | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | #LINK http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man5/exports.5.html | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | unless i'm looking in the wrong place, "IPv6 addresses must not be inside square brackets in /etc/exports lest they be confused with character-class wildcard matches." | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | http://git.linux-nfs.org/?p=steved/nfs-utils.git;a=commit;h=4663c6481c294838260840d234fec7dfd3186451 | 15:11 |
| tbarron | bswartz: is that included in 1.3.4 and the man page is just out of date? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | http://git.linux-nfs.org/?p=steved/nfs-utils.git;a=commit;h=188354e57dd8476e66ce30d647180a106da29b88 | 15:12 |
| bswartz | The 1.3.4 tag was Aug 2016 | 15:12 |
| bswartz | And the commit adding ipv6 support was March 2014 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | 1.2.8 dates back to May 2013 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | So I think they moved a little more than 3 years forward on the master branch between xenial and bionic | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Unless they're compiling with --disable-ipv6 or some such insanity | 15:14 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: if you continue to have problems, I can test this for you | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: awesome.. yes, i'll focus on fixing the zuul issue with bionic, and tehn i'll ping you | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that might be helpful | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I'm using Archlinux for most of my development work lately because I got too irritated with Ubuntu and Fedora and their limitations | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | ++ | 15:15 |
| bswartz | But I can spin up a bionic VM with little effort | 15:15 |
| * tbarron sees gouthamr doing many many things at once | 15:15 | |
| gouthamr | :D build-it-myself-linux | 15:15 |
| * tbarron arches his eyebrows at bswartz | 15:16 | |
| tbarron | sounds like a plan | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | vkmc: anything else on python3 atm? | 15:17 |
| * tbarron asks the lead on that story | 15:17 | |
| vkmc | tbarron, not for now | 15:17 |
| tbarron | vkmc: ack | 15:17 |
| vkmc | tbarron++ | 15:17 |
| tbarron | #topic upgrade health checker | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upgrade health checker (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:17 | |
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| tbarron | I'm waiting for some work in oslo that everyone will leverage. | 15:17 |
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| tbarron | Will update the wiki with a link to it. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Then I'll make a stub job | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Then we can add content. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Any questions? | 15:18 |
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| gouthamr | nope.. but just-a-minute on the py3 stuff if you don't mind tbarron? | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | #topic python3 again | 15:18 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "python3 again (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:19 | |
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| gouthamr | i want to replace py35 jobs with py37 - i.e, unit-test with py36 and py37 | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | any objections? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | # LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609558/ | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/609557/ | 15:19 |
| tbarron | not from me | 15:19 |
| tbarron | my local machine doesn't have py35 any more | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | someday we'll have functional tests running with py36 or py37, but not py35 | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: please add that to the tasks in the python3 topic | 15:21 |
| vkmc | I think it's good | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ack, will do.. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | let's take silence as consent in *this* case | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | deep | 15:21 |
| tbarron | anything else on py3? | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | nope | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #topic priority for access rules | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority for access rules (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:21 | |
| tbarron | ganso: thanks for your recent review of the implementation | 15:22 |
| ganso | =) | 15:22 |
| tbarron | zhongjun isn't here and she recently told me that someone else will be picking up this work, though | 15:22 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I ran the test, mounting IPv6 NFS share works fine on Bionic | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | w00t | 15:22 |
| tbarron | she will be helping with the transition for as long as needed | 15:23 |
| tbarron | So let's all try to help get this work completed since it was started in the last cycle. | 15:23 |
| ganso | tbarron: we could discuss one of the comments I made | 15:23 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: awesome, i'll just have to figure out the devstack issue on the gate right now then | 15:23 |
| tbarron | ganso: kk | 15:23 |
| ganso | tbarron: I suggested to take the discussion here | 15:23 |
| ganso | so there are 2 main items I questioned | 15:24 |
| ganso | 1) the update method only updates the priority field | 15:24 |
| ganso | my only concern is that the naming of all functions and CLI is "update_share_access", but only the priority field is updated | 15:24 |
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| ganso | we have the mechanisms in place to update any field we want now | 15:25 |
| ganso | I believe we should discuss this one more time and decide if we want to stick with updating only the priority field | 15:25 |
| ganso | and in that case I'd suggest renaming all the methods and functions | 15:25 |
| ganso | or allow updating other fields as well, in that case we could discuss which fields | 15:25 |
| tbarron | ganso: are we doing feature creep relative to the approved spec? | 15:26 |
| ganso | tbarron: I'm not really backtracking to the spec, what inspired me to discuss this are the method names, which I just noticed now | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Is the CLI "update" or "modify"? | 15:27 |
| ganso | tbarron: we've always agreed that the implementation could drift away from the spec | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: the CLI is update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574633/7/manilaclient/v2/shell.py | 15:27 |
| tbarron | ganso: well I'm not going to touch that general remark :) | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | ganso -1 for implementation not matching spec | 15:28 |
| ganso | I did not look at the spec at all. I am just looking at the implementation | 15:29 |
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| ganso | do we intend to someday (or right now) allow access updates to change the access values, or access type as well? or just priority? I think this is the main question we need to answer here | 15:30 |
| ganso | if we in the past did not consider this because it would be a lot of work, then we don't need to worry about that anymore as all that amount of work is included with the patch just to change the priority | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | it needn't be to access-type or access-level, but for stuff that comes later | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | i don't see a problem with "update", but restricting what can be updated | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | much like share-update or snapshot-update | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | or share-network-update | 15:32 |
| ganso | gouthamr: so you think it makes sense for us to allow updating other fields? | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | ganso: nope, right now, we should only allow updating priority, as the spec suggests | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ganso: some fields are mutable and others are not with respect to any resource, right? | 15:32 |
| ganso | tbarron: at this moment I don't see a problem with changing access_type, access_level and access_value. They can be validated upon each call just like when they are added | 15:33 |
| tbarron | ganso: but that is not work we planned to do in this iteration, right? | 15:34 |
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| ganso | tbarron: it is not | 15:34 |
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| tbarron | so I think we can leave the verb as 'update' rather than narrowing it to 'update-priority' | 15:35 |
| tbarron | but we don't have to implement updating of anything other than priority currently | 15:35 |
| tbarron | s/don't have to/should not/ without further discussion | 15:35 |
| ganso | ok, and later someday we could add the other parameters to the API and bump the microversion ? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | ganso: agree? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | ganso: if there's a use case and we agree to do so | 15:36 |
| tbarron | ganso: good to think about generalization though! | 15:36 |
| ganso | tbarron: ok I'm fine by that if we have agreement to | 15:36 |
| ganso | nett up is item 2) the filtering | 15:36 |
| ganso | s/nett/next | 15:37 |
| ganso | so filtering is currently being done by share_id or priority | 15:37 |
| ganso | I don't see much value in only allowing filtering by those 2 | 15:37 |
| ganso | I may want to filter all rules by priority #130 | 15:37 |
| ganso | but I may also want to filter rules by ip, access type, or even the value | 15:38 |
| ganso | so again, we have all the mechanisms in place | 15:38 |
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| ganso | we could just also say "let's just filter by priority now and add the other later", that's fine, I just want to know if that's what we really want | 15:39 |
| tbarron | ganso: are all these DB side filters? | 15:39 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes | 15:39 |
| tbarron | ganso: I guess I'm inclined to incrementalism even if you want to do the generalization right away in this cycle. | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1 on adding generic filters upfront, we should address that | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | this one is easier than your earlier suggestion, and more useful right away to end users given we introduced a new API in the last cycle | 15:41 |
| tbarron | ganso: if it's no significan extra work (including testing and doc) to do this then that's fine | 15:41 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ^^ | 15:41 |
| ganso | tbarron gouthamr: yup | 15:41 |
| ganso | alright cool | 15:42 |
| tbarron | but we can't hold up planned work for generalizations in general | 15:42 |
| * tbarron said 'general' too many times, generally speaking | 15:42 | |
| ganso | lol | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | ok, anything else on this one? | 15:43 |
| ganso | tbarron: nope | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | I'm going to skip a bit | 15:43 |
| tbarron | ganso your spec's are up for review | 15:43 |
| tbarron | two of them | 15:44 |
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| ganso | tbarron: correct | 15:44 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607342/ | 15:44 |
| tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391805 | 15:44 |
| ganso | tbarron: thanks | 15:44 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391805 | 15:44 |
| tbarron | let's all take AIs to read them and circle back next week. | 15:45 |
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| tbarron | Unless someone has an issue w.r.t. them to bring up now | 15:45 |
| tbarron | moving along | 15:45 |
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| tbarron | #topic Manila CSI | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manila CSI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:45 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr: do you want to report on our meeting with CERN? | 15:45 |
| * tbarron will update this section in the wiki after the meeting | 15:46 | |
| * gouthamr yep, looking for the etherpad link | 15:46 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr: sec | 15:46 |
| * tbarron fumbles | 15:47 | |
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| gouthamr | gah | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fetherpad.openstack.org%2Fp%2Fopenstack-manila-csi-syncup&sa=D&ust=1539026786836000&usg=AFQjCNEfw9hPrf7s10hZxLwdzTsSp622SA | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | grr | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | #undo | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-manila-csi-syncup | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | ty bswartz! | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ty | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://bluejeans.com/s/mkAb7 (this may be deleted without notice) | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | so we had a pretty productive sync up with the folks working on the manila dynamic provisioner in cloud-provider-openstack | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | and ceph-csi | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | flaper87 (Flavio Percoco) has WIP code for manila-csi | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | we took AIs to propose this PR to cloud-provider-openstack and work on it together with the contributors from CERN | 15:50 |
| bswartz | Are they still pursuing the NFS-over-vsock thing? | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | an interesting thing for us k8s/CSI-noobs in the room was being educated about the architecture that we'll use - a controller plugin and a node plugin - please see notes in the etherpad and the bluejeans for info | 15:51 |
| bswartz | That continues to intrigue me but I haven't investigated | 15:51 |
| tbarron | bswartz: not really, can come back to that in #openstack-manila post-meeting | 15:52 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: are you going to speak to the protocol-specific-plugin aspect? | 15:52 |
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| gouthamr | i also had an AI to grab a room with bswartz (and the rest of us) to discuss an NFS node-plugin | 15:53 |
| bswartz | o_O | 15:53 |
| bswartz | Why would someone want a single-protocol Manila? | 15:53 |
| tbarron | cause CERN has a cephfs-native node-plugin | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | much like how CERN is using ceph-csi at the moment to mount/unmount CEPHFS shares | 15:53 |
| tbarron | bswartz: and it wouldn't be | 15:53 |
| bswartz | Because that protocol could be NFS and a bunch of backends still work with NFS? | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: the discussion arose from https://github.com/container-storage-interface/spec/issues/263#issuecomment-411471611 | 15:54 |
| tbarron | controller-plugin would be protocol agnostic | 15:54 |
| tbarron | s/plugin/driver/ | 15:54 |
| tbarron | node-plugins would be protocol specific iiuc | 15:54 |
| bswartz | Hmm interesting | 15:55 |
| bswartz | It's a significant departure for the CSI design | 15:55 |
| bswartz | Who is pushing that work? | 15:55 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: have I represented/misrepresented the thinking? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: no | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I've proposed some changes to the CSI interface and been shot down | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | we might have to grab that room bswartz tbarron | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | time check | 15:56 |
| tbarron | bswartz: well cern is sorta doing it that way now, but with dynamic external provider atm in the manila csi role | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: yup | 15:57 |
| tbarron | anyone interested in this topic ping gouthamr or me and we'll | 15:57 |
| tbarron | coordinate a followup with bswartz | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I have meetings for the next 3 hours -- if you want to meet grab me tomorrow | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ack, i'll coordinate a meeting | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | time | 15:58 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: we still have a minute | 15:58 |
| tbarron | Anything else ? | 15:58 |
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| gouthamr | nope, nothing else on the topic | 15:58 |
| tbarron | We'll rotate along the wiki rather than starting at the top | 15:59 |
| tbarron | evey time. | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | +1100 | 15:59 |
| tbarron | and hopefully get to bugs, etc. | 15:59 |
| tbarron | next time | 15:59 |
| tbarron | Thanks everyone!! | 15:59 |
| dustins | And I've got some good ones for that when we do :D | 15:59 |
| * gouthamr reminds dustin i did my AIs | 15:59 | |
| tbarron | dustins: :) | 15:59 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 11 15:59:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-10-11-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-10-11-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-10-11-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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