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| dkrol | #startmeeting trove | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 9 14:00:14 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkrol. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 14:00 |
| dkrol | Hello All | 14:00 |
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| bzurkowski | Hello | 14:01 |
| dkrol | Hello | 14:02 |
| dkrol | Is there anyone else from Samsung? | 14:02 |
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| qwebirc35204 | hi | 14:02 |
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| dkrol | Hello | 14:03 |
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| bzurkowski | Let's wait for Marcin | 14:03 |
| dkrol | Wow | 14:03 |
| dkrol | Too many people :) | 14:03 |
| dkrol | Are we waiting for someone? | 14:04 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | there are no available slots for Marcin | 14:06 |
| dkrol | We have python 3 update on our agenda | 14:08 |
| dkrol | Is there anything you can do? | 14:10 |
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| dkrol | Can we start? | 14:14 |
| bzurkowski | 1 more minute pls | 14:14 |
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| bzurkowski | Ready, let's go! | 14:15 |
| mpwiwoarczy | hi there | 14:15 |
| dkrol | Ok, great let's go | 14:15 |
| mpwiwoarczy | what is the topic? | 14:15 |
| dkrol | #topic python 3 status | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python 3 status (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:15 | |
| dkrol | There was an email from Doug about it | 14:16 |
| mpwiwoarczy | ok, I can update status of this task | 14:16 |
| dkrol | And there is a wiki page | 14:16 |
| mpwiwoarczy | yeah | 14:16 |
| mpwiwoarczy | I have update wiki tracking page | 14:16 |
| dkrol | Where is mentioned that we have functional tests running in python 3 | 14:17 |
| dkrol | With trove devstack base | 14:17 |
| mpwiwoarczy | actualy, status is up to date in etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-python-3 | 14:17 |
| dkrol | But as far as I now it runs on python 2 | 14:17 |
| mpwiwoarczy | let me see | 14:17 |
| dkrol | We should check it | 14:18 |
| dkrol | So what is an update? | 14:19 |
| mpwiwoarczy | wait, we have tests executed under python3 | 14:19 |
| mpwiwoarczy | integration tests are closed in tox env which uses python3 version | 14:20 |
| dkrol | How about functional tests? | 14:20 |
| dkrol | Gate tests are mysql functional | 14:21 |
| mpwiwoarczy | where in your repo functional tests are placed? | 14:21 |
| dkrol | And this is our trovestack | 14:21 |
| mpwiwoarczy | are torvestack tests functional? | 14:21 |
| dkrol | Yes | 14:21 |
| dkrol | The main gate test is mysql functional | 14:21 |
| mpwiwoarczy | yeah, and it is done under this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604816/ | 14:22 |
| dkrol | So you mean it is run with python 3? | 14:23 |
| mpwiwoarczy | yes, it is | 14:23 |
| mpwiwoarczy | this implementation does the thing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604816/55/tox.ini | 14:23 |
| dkrol | Ok, so please double check the wiki I linked in the agenda for today's meeting and it will be all | 14:23 |
| dkrol | Is there anything left about python 3 support? | 14:24 |
| mpwiwoarczy | all type of tests are now executed via tox and all of them have basepython set to verson 3 | 14:24 |
| dkrol | This is great | 14:24 |
| dkrol | So this goal is completed? | 14:25 |
| mpwiwoarczy | yes, please have a look on etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-python-3 | 14:25 |
| mpwiwoarczy | it is up to date | 14:26 |
| dkrol | Ok, I cannot do it right now but I will check it later | 14:26 |
| mpwiwoarczy | now we can focus on remaining projects | 14:26 |
| dkrol | We can move on | 14:26 |
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| dkrol | #topic pre upgrade check | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pre upgrade check (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:26 | |
| mpwiwoarczy | ok | 14:26 |
| dkrol | Pre upgrade is another topic | 14:26 |
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| dkrol | I've commited a change about it | 14:26 |
| dkrol | You should get a notification | 14:27 |
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| dkrol | My idea was to check if there are instances running with assigned task e. G build, resize etc | 14:27 |
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| mpwiwoarczy | yes, I got review request | 14:27 |
| dkrol | And mark it as a warning | 14:28 |
| mpwiwoarczy | I did not study implementation yet but sounds good | 14:28 |
| dkrol | Please check it and we can discuss it next week | 14:29 |
| dkrol | We should also thinks about breaking changes in the guest agents | 14:29 |
| dkrol | But in Stein we didn't intruduce such changes | 14:29 |
| dkrol | AFAIK | 14:30 |
| dkrol | Anyway this was may initial idea to start this work | 14:30 |
| mpwiwoarczy | as first we would need to create blueprints | 14:30 |
| mpwiwoarczy | or there are any? | 14:31 |
| dkrol | Please check it and if you don't have any comments right now we can talk about it next week | 14:31 |
| dkrol | The whole framework for this check was already delivered | 14:32 |
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| dkrol | My change was to add a function which does something instead of a place holder | 14:32 |
| dkrol | I think we don't need blueprint for it | 14:32 |
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| mpwiwoarczy | ok I will check this change soon | 14:33 |
| mpwiwoarczy | you can also add cezary_zukowski to reviewers list | 14:34 |
| dkrol | If no other comments let's move on | 14:34 |
| dkrol | Sure | 14:34 |
| dkrol | #topic documentation | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "documentation (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:34 | |
| dkrol | Any update on this topic? | 14:34 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | not for now | 14:35 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | I think I should talk with guys first about current work done, how to utilize it | 14:36 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | move to RST and so on... | 14:36 |
| dkrol | Ok, I've take a look at it and I see I can add something to the existing docs | 14:36 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | great | 14:37 |
| dkrol | What do you mean by current work done? | 14:37 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | what is in google docs | 14:37 |
| dkrol | Yes, true | 14:38 |
| dkrol | Ok, let's read it again and mark what should be moved first to rsts | 14:38 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | some people found it useful in #openstack-trove, so I think we can somehow incorporate it in official docs | 14:39 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | dkrol: ok, sure | 14:39 |
| dkrol | Ok let's move on | 14:39 |
| dkrol | #topic recent changes and current work | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recent changes and current work (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:40 | |
| dkrol | From my side there was trovestack redesignand pre upgrade check | 14:40 |
| dkrol | I've also see some small changes from other people | 14:40 |
| dkrol | Typos and small changes | 14:41 |
| dkrol | If both my topics will be reviewed and completed I can help with docs | 14:41 |
| dkrol | Also I started to think about guest agent upgrade | 14:41 |
| dkrol | That's all from my side | 14:42 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | grand | 14:42 |
| dkrol | But I'm curious what you were doing recently? :) | 14:42 |
| dkrol | And what plans do you have for the near future? | 14:42 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | to be honest, it's busy time with internal release | 14:43 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | although, some changes might be then pushed to open source | 14:44 |
| dkrol | You were mentioning something in December about coming changes | 14:45 |
| dkrol | In the new year | 14:45 |
| dkrol | And now we have it | 14:45 |
| dkrol | Will there be any good news for trove community? | 14:46 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | a yeah, it's about pushing internal changes to upstream due to more people hired, but it haven't started yet | 14:46 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | should start soon, bzurkowski should know more details | 14:46 |
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| dkrol | bzurkowski: any comments? | 14:47 |
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| bzurkowski | dkrol: This is still work in progress | 14:48 |
| dkrol | Ok, but can you share what is the goal and deadlines? | 14:49 |
| bzurkowski | The goal is to have more head counts working full-time on upstreaming Trove | 14:51 |
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| dkrol | That would be great | 14:52 |
| bzurkowski | We were very optimistic about January, but unfortunately severaly issues emerged | 14:52 |
| bzurkowski | I cannot objectively estimate when new head counts will join us | 14:53 |
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| dkrol | And what about time for contribution of current people? | 14:53 |
| bzurkowski | This month is very tough | 14:54 |
| bzurkowski | Lots of work for business | 14:54 |
| dkrol | You mean January or December? | 14:54 |
| bzurkowski | January | 14:54 |
| dkrol | Ah I see | 14:54 |
| dkrol | So unfortunate | 14:54 |
| bzurkowski | From my side I will try to do some reviews this week | 14:54 |
| bzurkowski | I know that I already promised that several times | 14:55 |
| bzurkowski | But this time I will do my best :) | 14:55 |
| dkrol | So January for all of you will be difficult? | 14:56 |
| bzurkowski | Yeah, probably | 14:56 |
| dkrol | There are some changes which require another core contributor review | 14:56 |
| dkrol | I understand | 14:56 |
| dkrol | I hope there will be more time next month | 14:57 |
| dkrol | I suppose we are running out of time | 14:57 |
| dkrol | If you'd don't have anything else we can finish now | 14:57 |
| dkrol | And I wish you all happy new year :) | 14:58 |
| dkrol | And I hope see you next week | 14:58 |
| mpwiwoarczy | many thanks, you too | 14:58 |
| mpwiwoarczy | bye | 14:58 |
| dkrol | #stopmeeting | 14:59 |
| cezary_zukowski_ | see you :) | 14:59 |
| dkrol | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 9 14:59:15 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2019/trove.2019-01-09-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2019/trove.2019-01-09-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2019/trove.2019-01-09-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 9 15:02:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:02 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 15:02 |
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| e0ne | rdopiera: hi | 15:02 |
| jakub | #info | 15:02 |
| vishalmanchanda | 0/ | 15:02 |
| e0ne | amotoki: hi. are you around? | 15:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 15:02 |
| e0ne | great. looks like we're OK to start today | 15:03 |
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| e0ne | I hope, you enjoyed Christmas and New Year holidays | 15:03 |
| jakub | hello all | 15:03 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:04 |
| e0ne | #topic Notices | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:04 | |
| e0ne | OpenStack Summit CFP is open until Wednesday, January 23 at 11:59pm PT. | 15:05 |
| e0ne | don't forget to submit a talk proposal if you're going to do it | 15:05 |
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| e0ne | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations/ | 15:06 |
| e0ne | OpenStack PTG will be in the same location right after the summit | 15:07 |
| e0ne | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 15:07 |
| e0ne | amotoki, rdopiera: are we OK to have one day for the PTG? | 15:07 |
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| rdopiera | e0ne: I can't come anywyas, so it's fine by me | 15:08 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: :( | 15:08 |
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| e0ne | I have to answer until January 20th if we want to get some room for PTG discussions | 15:09 |
| e0ne | I hope, we'll have some good discussions there | 15:10 |
| e0ne | amotoki: are you going to attend the Summit and PTG? | 15:11 |
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| amotoki | I haven't decided and got approved yet, but i hope so | 15:13 |
| e0ne | I didn't get an approval too, but I have some time for it | 15:13 |
| e0ne | I'll sent a note to organizers that we're going to attend it. I think we can cancel if if nobody goes | 15:14 |
| amotoki | sounds good | 15:15 |
| e0ne | #topic New ceilometer-dashboard repository | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New ceilometer-dashboard repository (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:15 | |
| e0ne | jakub: could you please share with us what are you proposing? | 15:15 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/619235/ | 15:17 |
| e0ne | #link https://bitbucket.org/ultimumtechnologies/ceilometer-dashboard/src | 15:17 |
| e0ne | so Telemetry team are going to create own plugin for Horizon | 15:18 |
| e0ne | it's great | 15:19 |
| amotoki | It seems we need a discussion on naming per Doug's comment | 15:19 |
| jakub | We would like to add a plugin to horizon for ceilometer. Ceilometer stores data in gnocchi and these data can be displayed in Grafana. But if you want to see it you have to login to Grafana and create some basic structure. And this is the point, our hoziron plugin creates this structure via a button and also can redirect you to the grafana dashboar without need of additional authentication. | 15:19 |
| jakub | We would like to get the code under Openstack. | 15:20 |
| jakub | Regarding naming - as I just described above, it is not a grafana plugin, therefore there is no need to rename the repository | 15:21 |
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| amotoki | A dashboard for telemetry is a missing point for a long time :) | 15:21 |
| amotoki | jakub: I see. AFAIU, it is a horizon plugin which leverages/redirects to grafana UI | 15:21 |
| amotoki | is it right? | 15:22 |
| jakub | basically yes | 15:22 |
| jakub | but not only | 15:22 |
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| amotoki | ack | 15:23 |
| amotoki | from the governance perspective, we need an ack from the telemetry PTL | 15:23 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:23 |
| amotoki | we use plugin model now. this means dashboard supports for non-core features are hosted by corresponding projects. | 15:24 |
| amotoki | do we see any blocking issue from horizon perspective? | 15:24 |
| e0ne | nothing I'm familiar with | 15:25 |
| amotoki | I haven't followed comments/discussions in the proposed review yet. I will look thru it tomorrow. | 15:25 |
| e0ne | jakub asked me if horizon team wants to share responsibility to maintain this plugin | 15:25 |
| e0ne | in general, we don't have capacity to maintain plugins too | 15:26 |
| e0ne | but I think it's reasonable if horizon team will have +2 on plugins for some emergency cases .e.g. if gate is blocked by some horizon or dependency changes | 15:27 |
| e0ne | IMO, that's all we can do | 15:27 |
| amotoki | does "share" mean that both the telemetry and horizon teams co-maintain it? | 15:27 |
| jakub | e0ne: yes I have asked you because PTL of Telemetry did not want to share the responsibility | 15:28 |
| e0ne | jakub: it's up to your team | 15:28 |
| amotoki | jakub: does it mean that the telemetry team cannot host it? | 15:28 |
| jakub | just a note, I am not member of Telemetry team | 15:29 |
| amotoki | jakub: or would the telemetry team like to maintain it by themselves? | 15:29 |
| amotoki | "share" means some team shares some reponsibility with another team | 15:30 |
| amotoki | so I am a bit confused with the statement. | 15:30 |
| jakub | amotoki: yes, AFAIK they do not want to host it | 15:30 |
| e0ne | hm... | 15:30 |
| e0ne | jakub: so who will maintain it? | 15:30 |
| jakub | our company, if is that what you are asking | 15:31 |
| e0ne | I'm confused now | 15:32 |
| amotoki | this sounds a governance discussion. we need to consider both maintenance bandwidth and which project can host it. | 15:32 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:32 |
| amotoki | re: the maintenance bandwidth, jakub's company can provide it (at least for now) | 15:33 |
| jakub | the question is also whether it needs to be official or unofficial | 15:33 |
| jakub | if there is any difference | 15:33 |
| amotoki | re: the project governance there are several choces: horizon official , telemetry official and unofficial | 15:34 |
| amotoki | re: the diffrence between offical vs unofficial, at least contributors to official projects get ATC status | 15:35 |
| amotoki | in addition, "official" would be a good reason to contribute such project more compared to "unofficial" ones. | 15:35 |
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| e0ne | it would be good it telemetry project can host it | 15:36 |
| amotoki | I think it is better to raise this to TC with what we discussed so far. | 15:37 |
| e0ne | I'm not sure that we should host it under Horizon umbrella | 15:37 |
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| amotoki | including the fact that the telemetry PTL would like not to host it (in personal conversation?) | 15:37 |
| jakub | re: yes, via email | 15:38 |
| amotoki | AFAIK, this is the first case that any project would like not to host its dashboard. | 15:38 |
| e0ne | amotoki: :( | 15:38 |
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| jakub | we do not insist on the official.. originaly I went unofficial but as you can see in the change request Andreas Jaeger wanted me to create it under governance so that is why I am here now | 15:38 |
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| jakub | we simply wanted to be somehow under openstack not necessarily official | 15:39 |
| amotoki | jakub: yeah, generally speaking it is a good suggestion, but the situation seems a bit complicated..... we didn't expect it :( | 15:39 |
| jakub | amotoki: me neither :) | 15:39 |
| amotoki | so what is the next step? | 15:39 |
| jakub | that is what I would like to know as well | 15:40 |
| amotoki | I see two ways: (1) raise this situation to TC, or (2) create a repo as unofficial project. | 15:40 |
| jakub | how can I do the (2) ? | 15:41 |
| amotoki | jakub: it is simple. what we need to do is to send a mail explaining the current situation to openstack-discuss ML with [tc] tag. | 15:42 |
| e0ne | jakub: here is some manual https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/unofficial_project_hosting.html | 15:42 |
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| amotoki | you can also join TC meetings to discuss it but I believe sending a mail to the ML is a good first step | 15:43 |
| jakub | amotoki: what is ML? | 15:43 |
| jakub | I see now | 15:43 |
| amotoki | jakub: openstack-discuss ML | 15:43 |
| e0ne | jakub: mailing list | 15:43 |
| jakub | ok then, I will do that | 15:43 |
| amotoki | aha, ML was a common abbrev of mailing list, but it now means machine learning :) | 15:43 |
| amotoki | jakub: when you send a mail, could you iinclude "[tc][telemetry][horizon]" in the subject? | 15:45 |
| amotoki | this is what I mean by "tag". | 15:45 |
| jakub | sure, I can | 15:45 |
| amotoki | we can support the discussion then. | 15:45 |
| jakub | ok, thank you | 15:46 |
| e0ne | jakub: thanks for raising this topic | 15:46 |
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| e0ne | can we move forward? I've got one more topic to discuss | 15:47 |
| jakub | thanks | 15:47 |
| e0ne | #topic unused XStatic-* packages | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "unused XStatic-* packages (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:48 | |
| e0ne | we've got few xstatic-* libraries which we don't use in Horizon and they were not released at all | 15:48 |
| e0ne | e.g. https://github.com/openstack/xstatic-angular-ui-router | 15:48 |
| e0ne | do we want to drop them from horizon deliverables? | 15:49 |
| e0ne | such repos were created about two years ago and we still don't use them | 15:50 |
| amotoki | I am okay to drop them unless any horizon plugins depend on it | 15:50 |
| amotoki | s/it/them/ | 15:50 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I don't think somebody uses them because we don't have any releases | 15:51 |
| e0ne | but I'll double check before removing them | 15:51 |
| amotoki | yeah, agree | 15:51 |
| e0ne | that's all from me today | 15:51 |
| e0ne | #topic Open Discussion | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:51 | |
| amotoki | I have one topic to discuss. | 15:51 |
| amotoki | it is about error reporting | 15:51 |
| amotoki | can I go? | 15:52 |
| e0ne | sure | 15:53 |
| e0ne | we've got 7 minutes more | 15:53 |
| amotoki | horizon now catches an exception from back-end services and creates error messages in our code. | 15:53 |
| amotoki | it hides the detail and we receive many bug reports on insufficient messages. | 15:53 |
| amotoki | AFAIK, it is done from two reasons. | 15:54 |
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| amotoki | the one is to hide too *more detail* from back-end services like UUID | 15:54 |
| amotoki | the other is for translation. we cannot translate messages from back-end services. | 15:55 |
| e0ne | I'm OK to show exception messages from the APIs but not full tracebacks | 15:55 |
| amotoki | however, I think detail information is more important than the above two reasons. | 15:55 |
| amotoki | my proposal is to include exception strings to error messages. | 15:55 |
| amotoki | e0ne: yeah, it is same as mine | 15:56 |
| e0ne | I'm glad to be on the same page with the rest of the team | 15:56 |
| amotoki | what in my mind is like this https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/networks/workflows.py#L499-L502 | 15:57 |
| amotoki | at least some leading messages can be translated :) | 15:58 |
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| e0ne | :) | 15:58 |
| amotoki | i think we can do this gradually | 15:59 |
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| amotoki | that's all from me. | 16:00 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:00 |
| e0ne | thanks for the participation! see you next week | 16:00 |
| e0ne | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 9 16:00:52 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2019/horizon.2019-01-09-15.02.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2019/horizon.2019-01-09-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2019/horizon.2019-01-09-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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