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tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 10 15:01:01 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
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ganso | hello | 15:02 |
carlos_silva | hi | 15:02 |
jgrosso | hello | 15:02 |
tbarron | ping xyang | 15:02 |
xyang | hi | 15:02 |
tbarron | ping bswartz | 15:02 |
tbarron | ping erlon | 15:03 |
bswartz | .o/ | 15:03 |
tbarron | ping tpsilva | 15:03 |
tbarron | ping amito | 15:03 |
bswartz | Sorry I drifted to other channel while waiting for the meeting to start | 15:03 |
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bswartz | IRC is nearly as large and as dark as reddit | 15:03 |
tbarron | bswartz: i was dealing with a mutual cust and started a bit late | 15:04 |
tbarron | hi all | 15:04 |
tbarron | !! | 15:04 |
openstack | tbarron: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 15:04 |
tbarron | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:04 |
tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
tbarron | It's milestone 2 already :) | 15:05 |
tbarron | We'll have some releases coming out for the libraries, just trying to fit in a couple more changes. | 15:05 |
tbarron | first. | 15:05 |
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tbarron | It was new driver deadline but we didn't have any new driver submissions this cycle | 15:06 |
toabctl | hi | 15:06 |
* tbarron thinks it's time for some quality improvements on the old drivers but won't digress now any further ... | 15:06 | |
* tbarron notices toabctl being a busy guy with his other projects :) | 15:07 | |
tbarron | oh, looks like I didn't save my latest agenda changes, sec | 15:07 |
amito | (Hey) | 15:07 |
tbarron | good to see you amito | 15:08 |
amito | you too | 15:09 |
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tbarron | Anyone else have any announcements? | 15:10 |
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tbarron | #topic python3 jobs | 15:11 |
*** openstack changes topic to "python3 jobs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
tbarron | it turns out that when you turn on python3 in functional jobs the canonical way | 15:12 |
tbarron | that's insufficient for manila's "legacy" jobs | 15:12 |
tbarron | so we were testing less functional stuff under py3 than I thought. | 15:12 |
tbarron | But we now have the dummy driver job running under python3 | 15:12 |
tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629143/ | 15:13 |
tbarron | hopefully we'll soon add the lvm driver job | 15:13 |
tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623061/ | 15:13 |
tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623061/ | 15:13 |
gouthamr | that's great to get done by M2 :) | 15:14 |
tbarron | actually running under py3 turned up some bugs | 15:14 |
tbarron | that weren't hard to fix | 15:14 |
tbarron | so we'll want to get other functional jobs converted so that we get more coverage | 15:14 |
tbarron | manila UI patch to run the dsvm job under py3 is ready | 15:15 |
tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629538/ | 15:15 |
tbarron | ^^ Please review that one | 15:15 |
tbarron | I'd like to include it in M2 deliverable | 15:16 |
tbarron | all manila ui functional will run py3 | 15:16 |
tbarron | python-manilaclient patch | 15:16 |
tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629536/ | 15:16 |
tbarron | is turning up some py3 errors that we need to fix | 15:17 |
tbarron | doesn't look hard, so maybe we'll have it ready today and can include it with M2 deliverable for that lib | 15:17 |
ganso | tbarron: IIRC manila-ui uses manilaclient | 15:17 |
gouthamr | hey i had a question when looking at that patch | 15:17 |
tbarron | ganso: but the tests must not exercise the code that fails in the client | 15:18 |
gouthamr | is the goal of the "functional" test job just to set up devstack/manila-ui? | 15:18 |
* tbarron doesn't actually know what these tests do :) | 15:18 | |
tbarron | gouthamr: that's what it seems | 15:18 |
ganso | tbarron: I see that the errors are in the python-manilaclient functional tests, not the client code itself | 15:18 |
tbarron | gouthamr: it doesn't run the dummy job even though it loads it up | 15:19 |
tbarron | if valeriy were here we could ask the goal of these tests | 15:19 |
ganso | gouthamr: that functional job's current definition is to set up devstack and invoke manila CLI against it | 15:19 |
tbarron | but some of that will remain a mystery at this juncture | 15:19 |
tbarron | ganso: where is that defined? I see that that is what it does :) | 15:19 |
* tbarron will resist further sniping | 15:20 | |
ganso | tbarron: well that's what it is supposed to do AFAIK | 15:20 |
tbarron | ganso: kk | 15:20 |
tbarron | ganso: i've just been a bit puzzled by what some of the tests aim to do | 15:20 |
gouthamr | o.O at the python-manilaclient failures | 15:21 |
tbarron | ganso: but atm just am trying to see if they can do the same thing when running under py3 | 15:21 |
gouthamr | attribution to the lack of unit tests | 15:21 |
tbarron | So as we get these ready today or tomorrow expect to be pinged for reviews. | 15:21 |
gouthamr | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+bug/1364800 | 15:21 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1364800 in python-manilaclient "lack of unittests" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Pugachev (a-pugachev-wd) | 15:22 |
tbarron | Thanks for the help thus far. | 15:22 |
tbarron | Anything else on py3 goals? | 15:22 |
tbarron | Anyone working on running their third-party CI under py3? | 15:22 |
tbarron | crickets | 15:23 |
tbarron | So driver folks, vendors, etc. | 15:23 |
bswartz | We run our kubernetes 3rd party CI under py3.... | 15:23 |
bswartz | Actually wait, we don't yet | 15:23 |
tbarron | This isn't just a game, distros are going to be running with manila with your code with py3 very soon now. | 15:24 |
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bswartz | >_< | 15:24 |
bswartz | I'm pushing people inside netapp to move to py3 | 15:24 |
tbarron | If it breaks in my distro I will route the BZs to you!! | 15:24 |
bswartz | py2 is literally deprecated and has been for years | 15:24 |
tbarron | bswartz: +++ | 15:24 |
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* tbarron gets back off his stump for the moment | 15:25 | |
tbarron | #topic gate issues | 15:25 |
*** openstack changes topic to "gate issues (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:25 | |
tbarron | we talked last week about ssh issues and stuff we've done to mitigate them | 15:25 |
tbarron | and mentioned that migration tests seem to run a long time and fail al lot even with those fixes | 15:26 |
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tbarron | well as it turns out tempest runs its own ssh connections, e.g. in host assisted migration | 15:26 |
tbarron | so fixes for paramiko in manila-share have on effect on the tempest ssh stuff | 15:27 |
tbarron | ganso: does that fit with your understanding? ^^ | 15:27 |
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ganso | tbarron: AFAIK tempest runs its own SSH in all scenario tests, not only migration | 15:27 |
tbarron | ganso: kk, that's probably right | 15:27 |
tbarron | anyways I see lots of failures and retries and dumping of console logs from this | 15:28 |
tbarron | so that's maybe the next area of inquiry | 15:28 |
ganso | tbarron: but we see a lot of API migration test failures, which don't do SSHs | 15:28 |
tbarron | ganso: this migration onion's layers make me cry | 15:28 |
ganso | tbarron: lol | 15:29 |
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bswartz | where does ssh come in with migration tests? | 15:29 |
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tbarron | ganso: ^^? | 15:29 |
ganso | bswartz: any scenario test SSHs to instances to create files. It is part of the test | 15:30 |
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bswartz | Ah, the test client VMs | 15:30 |
ganso | bswartz: we have migration API and scenario tests. The API tests don't ssh | 15:30 |
bswartz | Right, we need some actual data to migrate | 15:30 |
bswartz | And tempest manages all that for us | 15:30 |
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tbarron | ganso: tempest appears to use the admin net, right? | 15:31 |
ganso | tbarron: but, on my testing, only the share servers have SSH problems, instances don't | 15:31 |
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tbarron | ganso: do the instances use the manila service image? | 15:32 |
ganso | tbarron: so still, scenario tests shouldn't show any problem aside from the known ones that we see when manila-shr tries to ssh into generic share servers | 15:32 |
ganso | tbarron: they do | 15:32 |
ganso | tbarron: yes, tempest uses the admin net configured with the generic driver job | 15:32 |
tbarron | well we need to fix the manila-image-elements job for a start, it no longer publishes to tarballs.o.o. when a fix merges | 15:32 |
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tbarron | we merged a fix to ssh by key w/o password | 15:33 |
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tbarron | and inspection suggests that some of the tempest client usages want that | 15:33 |
tbarron | so maybe the elements publish fix is the first thing here | 15:33 |
tbarron | probably it was broken when we moved jobs in-tree | 15:33 |
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tbarron | Anyone else have comments on gate issues? | 15:35 |
ganso | tbarron: during my testing, regular instances created using manila-service-image didn't have the ssh problem | 15:35 |
ganso | tbarron: I use manila-service-images everywhere here, because it can mount NFS, while cirros cannot | 15:35 |
ganso | tbarron: it is only when the generic driver's share server uses it that it has problems | 15:35 |
tbarron | ganso: interesting. tempest connects to both svms and regular instances over the admin net? | 15:36 |
ganso | tbarron: and it is only through the service port. When using "connect_to_tenant_network"=True, I can connect to the share server just fine | 15:36 |
bswartz | What image are the test VMs running? | 15:36 |
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bswartz | Is it a tempest image or something we provide? | 15:36 |
ganso | tbarron: no, "in my testing" I meant manually. Tempest connects to regular instances through floating IP | 15:36 |
tbarron | ganso: and to vms over admin net .... | 15:37 |
tbarron | to svms | 15:37 |
ganso | tbarron: so, I don't believe the manila-service-image has any problem. I believe it is a neutron or network problem related to the neutron port | 15:37 |
tbarron | so that's a clue | 15:37 |
tbarron | ganso: I thought I was seeing issues where it couldn't do key auth and there was no p/w | 15:38 |
tbarron | ganso: do you supply manila/manila when you manually connect? | 15:38 |
ganso | tbarron: there is likely to be random issues there as well, as we've seen the generic driver jobs failing because of that in the past, but not very often | 15:38 |
ganso | tbarron: I always use user+pass | 15:39 |
tbarron | ganso: and I think tempest client ssh is not | 15:39 |
ganso | tbarron: that I am not sure | 15:39 |
tbarron | ganso: but we can pursue this out of meeting after I check that assertion more | 15:39 |
tbarron | #topic bugs | 15:40 |
*** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:40 | |
tbarron | We have this etherpad that dustin maintained: | 15:40 |
tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:40 |
bswartz | If nobody else is having these kind of tempest issues I would be suspicious of the image we're using | 15:40 |
tbarron | that still has lots of low hanging fruit bugs for people to pick up :) | 15:40 |
ganso | bswartz: the issue in question is unrelated to tempest | 15:40 |
bswartz | Ok | 15:41 |
tbarron | and jgrosso has been working with gouthamr to get up to speed on bug czar role | 15:41 |
tbarron | ganso: i'm not sure I believe that, but later ... | 15:41 |
gouthamr | ack, jgrosso has begun looking at our bug backlog | 15:42 |
jgrosso | day 1 :) | 15:42 |
gouthamr | told him we need it to be in single digits by next week though :P | 15:42 |
jgrosso | :) | 15:42 |
tbarron | gouthamr: as you know we set the expectation with jgross that he'll be a true czar | 15:42 |
tbarron | that is, he will bring us peasants work to do | 15:42 |
tbarron | jgrosso has years of experience sorting bugs and coralling develpers to fix so | 15:43 |
tbarron | I am very optimistic that he'll help us get a more systematic approach to | 15:43 |
tbarron | working down our bug backlog. | 15:43 |
jgrosso | I will make it so | 15:44 |
jgrosso | :) | 15:44 |
tbarron | he's a scrum master too so watch out | 15:44 |
tbarron | Any particular bugs that you guys want to talk about today? Or should we table these for a future meeting? | 15:45 |
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gouthamr | i got one | 15:46 |
gouthamr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1801763 - "public" flag should be controllable via policy | 15:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1801763 in Manila "public flag should be controllable via policy" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:46 |
gouthamr | i don't have all the context of public shares, but its given deployers some trouble | 15:47 |
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gouthamr | the bug calls out two reasons why they would like to turn off the ability to use "public" shares | 15:47 |
gouthamr | so if i can get a history lesson, probably i can own this bug and fix it per our/end-users' expectations | 15:48 |
tbarron | gouthamr: so if a share is public everyone has to see it when they list shares, whether they want to or not, right? | 15:49 |
gouthamr | tbarron: yes | 15:49 |
tbarron | gouthamr: that seems quite undesirable | 15:49 |
ganso | gouthamr: so this is not a policy issue | 15:49 |
gouthamr | mind you they can't mount it, unless the user that owns it gives them access | 15:50 |
ganso | gouthamr: in my understanding, a policy would control whether you have access to an API that can create or display public shares | 15:50 |
tbarron | gouthamr: right, you can make it accessible to everyone (given the right networking) quite apart from it's advertisement | 15:50 |
gouthamr | in a DHSS=True world, other tenants won't be able to connect to it because tenant networks are isolated | 15:50 |
tbarron | its | 15:50 |
ganso | gouthamr: but our API is manila index, how could you control its behavior through policy? | 15:51 |
tbarron | gouthamr: well one can put tenants on provider networks, etc. if one really wants to do that kind of thing | 15:51 |
tbarron | gouthamr: maybe double nics on tenant vms, etc | 15:51 |
bswartz | gouthamr: you can tie together tenant networks with routers | 15:52 |
tbarron | bswartz: ++ | 15:52 |
gouthamr | ganso: not my opinion, but Maurice Schrieber (OP) thinks disallowing 'creating a public share' through policy will solve the issue of listing them as well | 15:52 |
tbarron | but this shouldn't be a capability that just anyone can have | 15:52 |
gouthamr | bswartz: would the administator have to do that? | 15:52 |
tbarron | I shouldn't be able to spam you with my share listings ... | 15:52 |
bswartz | The admin would need to create the shared router | 15:52 |
bswartz | But tenants could in theory plug into that router themselves | 15:53 |
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tbarron | bswartz: so i think i agree with the premise of this bug, default policy should not allow regular users to set shares visibility to public | 15:53 |
ganso | I think the major concern here is the spam situation? | 15:53 |
tbarron | ganso: imagine on horizon seeing tons of another project's shares while trying to manage one's own | 15:54 |
ganso | like, Maurice doesn't want users to see shares that they don't care about and can't access anyway | 15:54 |
ganso | tbarron: exactly | 15:54 |
tbarron | gouthamr: so you're going to "fix" this one :) | 15:55 |
ganso | I see 2 possible solutions: 1) create a toggle to whether public shares can be created by admin only. 2) create a toggle to not see public shares by default when you list shares (something similar to "manila list --all-tenants", we could do "manila list --public") | 15:56 |
gouthamr | i have a similar downstream bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1326279 | 15:56 |
openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1326279 in openstack-manila-ui "[RFE] Add Ability to Disable Manila Public Share Types" [Medium,Closed: errata] - Assigned to vimartin | 15:56 |
gouthamr | ignore topic, says "Share Types", but means Shares | 15:56 |
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gouthamr | tbarron: yes, i can attempt to, but i don't have a solution myself | 15:57 |
gouthamr | ganso: i like both solutions | 15:58 |
tbarron | gouthamr: they aren't incompatible with one another | 15:58 |
gouthamr | they are though... we can turn off listing public shares by default on the clients (manilaclient, manila-ui) | 15:59 |
gouthamr | and we can create a policy that can be toggled to admin-only | 15:59 |
gouthamr | and actually switch it to admin-only in Train or something :) | 16:00 |
tbarron | one has to do with creating public (set by admin), the other with filtering out public. | 16:00 |
tbarron | don't see why both couldn't be done. | 16:00 |
gouthamr | ohhh | 16:00 |
gouthamr | you said "aren't incompatible" | 16:00 |
gouthamr | and i need coffee | 16:00 |
* bswartz agrees | 16:00 | |
tbarron | k, we're out of time .... | 16:00 |
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tbarron | Thanks everyone!!! | 16:00 |
* bswartz hands gouthamr some coffee and a large trout | 16:00 | |
gouthamr | :D | 16:01 |
jgrosso | :) | 16:01 |
tbarron | very seattle | 16:01 |
tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 10 16:01:13 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
* gouthamr thanks bswartz for the trout coffee | 16:01 | |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-01-10-15.01.html | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-01-10-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-01-10-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
ganso | lol | 16:01 |
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Haunted330 | This channel is closed. You are going to have to leave. | 23:59 |
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