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| chenke | hi~ | 08:01 |
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| Dantalion | hi | 08:01 |
| josecastroleon | hi | 08:01 |
| chenke | nice to be here | 08:01 |
| licanwei | #startmeeting watcher | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 10 08:01:57 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is licanwei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 08:02 |
| licanwei | hi | 08:02 |
| licanwei | Agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#04.2F10.2F2019 | 08:02 |
| sum12 | hello | 08:02 |
| licanwei | sum12: hi | 08:04 |
| licanwei | #topic Announcements | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 08:04 | |
| licanwei | Stein cycle release | 08:04 |
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| licanwei | Watcher release notes: https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/watcher/stein.html | 08:05 |
| chenke | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/train-watcher-plan | 08:05 |
| licanwei | and all Watcher implemented specs: | 08:06 |
| licanwei | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/watcher-specs/specs/stein/index.html | 08:06 |
| Dantalion | under stein approved but not implemented aren't we missing the nova schedule filters proposed by alexander? | 08:08 |
| Dantalion | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/561640/ | 08:09 |
| licanwei | Dantalion: yes | 08:09 |
| licanwei | but this bp is hard to continue | 08:10 |
| Dantalion | I agree I think we should not consider implementing at this time | 08:11 |
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| Dantalion | But I am uncertain if we should completely omit it from the approved but not implemented list. | 08:12 |
| licanwei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/650861/ | 08:13 |
| chenke | Dantalion about this topic "Some strategies pass hostname as resource_id other pass the node uuid", i read related code | 08:14 |
| licanwei | We want to implement these bps in Train cycle | 08:14 |
| Dantalion | licanwei: Yes in addition I want to implement grafana proxy datasource during train cycle but do not have the spec yet. | 08:15 |
| licanwei | Dantalion: don't worry, you can add spec at any time~ | 08:15 |
| licanwei | That just is a initial | 08:16 |
| sum12 | I am currently writing a spec for adding additional datasources | 08:16 |
| licanwei | #topic specs | 08:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 08:17 | |
| sum12 | Dantalion: we could easily alter it to include grafana as a datasource | 08:18 |
| licanwei | sum12: where is your spec link? | 08:18 |
| sum12 | licanwei: I am waiting for the file base metric implementation to finish | 08:19 |
| Dantalion | sum12: grafana is complicated because when file based datasource passes it needs additional changes to accomidate for that new spec. | 08:19 |
| licanwei | sum12: OK, no problem~ | 08:19 |
| licanwei | [https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649235/ | 08:20 |
| sum12 | Dantalion: yes I can understand why that is the case | 08:20 |
| licanwei | This bp needs review | 08:21 |
| chenke | Dantalion: the uuid and hostname have the same value | 08:21 |
| licanwei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/643312 | 08:21 |
| licanwei | I think this can be merged~ | 08:22 |
| Dantalion | I agree lgtm | 08:22 |
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| licanwei | #topic Review Action | 08:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 08:23 | |
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| licanwei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/645294/ needs review | 08:23 |
| licanwei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/647672 needs reviews | 08:24 |
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| licanwei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611275/ | 08:25 |
| licanwei | This is for python3.7 support | 08:25 |
| licanwei | I think it's alse can be merged :) | 08:26 |
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| Dantalion | Yes very happy to see problems around python 3.7 resolved :) | 08:27 |
| licanwei | #topic Open discussions | 08:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussions (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 08:28 | |
| licanwei | Now I think we need more active core reviewers | 08:28 |
| licanwei | I want to nominate Dantalion and chenker to new core reviewers | 08:29 |
| josecastroleon | :) | 08:29 |
| sum12 | \o/ | 08:29 |
| licanwei | They all contribute more recently | 08:29 |
| Dantalion | I would like to be core reviewer and can stay core reviewer until the end of july :) | 08:30 |
| josecastroleon | i can take over after that ;) | 08:30 |
| chenke | I am happy to continue contributing to the watcher project, thanks. | 08:32 |
| licanwei | josecastroleon: I wish :) | 08:32 |
| josecastroleon | if anyone would like to know, we are both from CERN ;) | 08:32 |
| licanwei | josecastroleon: haha, i know you | 08:33 |
| sum12 | home.cern ? | 08:33 |
| josecastroleon | yep | 08:34 |
| sum12 | cool | 08:35 |
| josecastroleon | quick question, is anyone going to the ptg? | 08:35 |
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| licanwei | josecastroleon: no me ~ | 08:35 |
| josecastroleon | :( | 08:36 |
| josecastroleon | I am going, it was just to see if we can meet in person | 08:37 |
| sum12 | I will be there | 08:37 |
| josecastroleon | nice | 08:37 |
| licanwei | josecastroleon: We can meet at Shanghai China next summit :) | 08:38 |
| josecastroleon | I'll try to go, not sure at the moment | 08:38 |
| licanwei | Welcome to China ! | 08:39 |
| licanwei | I wish Watcher can help CERN | 08:40 |
| licanwei | we still have many jobs need to to at Train cycle | 08:41 |
| josecastroleon | That's the plan | 08:41 |
| josecastroleon | like? | 08:41 |
| licanwei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/650861/ | 08:42 |
| josecastroleon | I see | 08:43 |
| licanwei | and we need to improve unit and functional tests | 08:43 |
| josecastroleon | I've got the same feedback from Dantalion | 08:43 |
| Dantalion | Yes functional tests but I also think we should work on formal interfaces for the datasources for instance | 08:45 |
| Dantalion | The values used by different strategies passed to the arguments of datasources seems to differ per strategy | 08:46 |
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| chenke | yes, now they are different | 08:47 |
| licanwei | Yes , these all need to be improved | 08:47 |
| Dantalion | I would like to propose creating a spec with a formal definition for the datasource parameters and expected values | 08:47 |
| licanwei | Dantalion: you can create the spec | 08:49 |
| Dantalion | Okaj, I will start writting the spec | 08:49 |
| chenke | nice | 08:50 |
| sum12 | awesome | 08:50 |
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| licanwei | any questions? | 08:53 |
| josecastroleon | no | 08:54 |
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| licanwei | I'll end the meeting if no question | 08:54 |
| licanwei | ok | 08:54 |
| Dantalion | no more questions from me | 08:54 |
| licanwei | Thanks for attending | 08:54 |
| sum12 | it was nice talking to watcher team | 08:54 |
| licanwei | I wish Watcher has a new start :) | 08:54 |
| josecastroleon | thanks to have this meeting back | 08:55 |
| Dantalion | Yes I agree I am glad to have talked to everyone lets keep it going | 08:55 |
| licanwei | bye! everyone | 08:55 |
| Dantalion | bye | 08:55 |
| licanwei | see you all next meeting time | 08:56 |
| chenke | bye | 08:56 |
| licanwei | #endmeeting | 08:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 10 08:56:21 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2019/watcher.2019-04-10-08.01.html | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2019/watcher.2019-04-10-08.01.txt | 08:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2019/watcher.2019-04-10-08.01.log.html | 08:56 |
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| e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 10 15:00:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:00 |
| dklyle | o/ | 15:01 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 15:01 |
| vishalmanchanda | hi all | 15:01 |
| e0ne | lets's start with some notices. maybe Akihiro will join us | 15:02 |
| e0ne | amotoki: ^^ | 15:02 |
| e0ne | #topic Notices | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:02 | |
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| e0ne | OpenStack Stein is released today! | 15:02 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/650362/ | 15:02 |
| dklyle | \o/ | 15:03 |
| e0ne | congratulations to everyone and thanks for your contributions! | 15:03 |
| amotoki | hi | 15:03 |
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| e0ne | also I've just added vishalmanchanda to the horizon-core team in gerrit! | 15:04 |
| dklyle | welcome vishalmanchanda | 15:04 |
| e0ne | vishalmanchanda: I hope to see more your reviews now :) | 15:04 |
| vishalmanchanda | dklyle: e0ne : Thanks... | 15:05 |
| vishalmanchanda | e0ne: yeah sure. | 15:05 |
| e0ne | :) | 15:05 |
| amotoki | vishalmanchanda: welcome | 15:05 |
| vishalmanchanda | amotoki: thanks :) | 15:05 |
| e0ne | I'm going to check if we need to release stable/* branches too and propose new stable releases if needed later this week | 15:06 |
| e0ne | I hope we'll updates our priorities etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-release-priorities after the PTG discussions | 15:07 |
| e0ne | that's all updates from me this week | 15:07 |
| amotoki | it is worth releasing pike before entering EM. | 15:08 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:08 |
| amotoki | there seems a lot of confusion around extended maintenance phase (EM), especially it is a decision of individiaul project or global one. I have no clear answer now. | 15:09 |
| amotoki | perhaps entering EM is global and marking EOL is a project team decision. | 15:10 |
| e0ne | amotoki: we'll have this topic at PTG. | 15:10 |
| e0ne | amotoki: I'll ask this question to our release team | 15:10 |
| e0ne | #topic PTG planning | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG planning (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:12 | |
| e0ne | here is our therpad: | 15:12 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-train-ptg | 15:12 |
| e0ne | we'll have a half of day on Thursday | 15:13 |
| e0ne | Team Photo: 11:30-11:40 | 15:13 |
| e0ne | place for team photo will be announced later | 15:13 |
| e0ne | #topic Open Discussion | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:14 | |
| amotoki | I would like to hear your opinions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649379/ | 15:14 |
| amotoki | I have no strong opinion on this and will remove my -1 from now. | 15:15 |
| * e0ne hates DST | 15:16 | |
| e0ne | I prefer to have a current local timezone everywhere | 15:17 |
| e0ne | another option is UTC, but it's not a user-friendly way | 15:18 |
| amotoki | hopefully folks with experiences on DST can comment it. | 15:18 |
| rdopiera | I think that technically DST is a separate timezone | 15:20 |
| e0ne | amotoki: see my comment above :) | 15:20 |
| rdopiera | for example, you have CET and CEST | 15:20 |
| rdopiera | and each of them has its own offset, which doesn't change | 15:21 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: good point. can we show timezones name in a such way? | 15:22 |
| amotoki | a timezone is determined based on a region like US/Pacific and then converted into a timezone like PST and PDT. | 15:22 |
| amotoki | I think what users image is a region like US/Pacific rather than PST/PDT. | 15:23 |
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| amotoki | e0ne: rdopiera: do you say it is better to show both timezones (standard and daylight saving timezones)? | 15:24 |
| amotoki | I haven't got your point. | 15:25 |
| rdopiera | amotoki: if we let users pick a region, and not a timezone, then it would be probably good to show them all timezones in that region | 15:25 |
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| rdopiera | otoh, I think that showing only one timezone is a kind of standard | 15:26 |
| rdopiera | wait, there is an ISO standard for this | 15:26 |
| amotoki | do you mean ISO 3166 and pytz https://pypi.org/project/pytz/ ? | 15:27 |
| amotoki | ISO 3166 is about country code, so it might be different. | 15:27 |
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| e0ne | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 - it proposes to use UTC offsets | 15:28 |
| amotoki | yeah, it is what we use now | 15:31 |
| amotoki | the question now is which is better standard time or daylight saving time. | 15:31 |
| rdopiera | looks like iso wants to use offsets so it's unambiguous | 15:32 |
| e0ne | IMO, I prefer DST because it makes a correct time selection easier | 15:32 |
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| rdopiera | can we check what is the de facto usage on popular websites? | 15:33 |
| rdopiera | or, in, say, timezone selection box in Gnome? | 15:33 |
| amotoki | rdopiera: good idea | 15:33 |
| e0ne | google calendar: (GMT+03:00) Eastern European Time - Kiev | 15:34 |
| e0ne | but it doesn't count for DST :( | 15:35 |
| amotoki | I am intending to have a conclusion here. Let's add comments on the review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649379/ | 15:38 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:39 |
| e0ne | I would like to briefly discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1793488 | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793488 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Horizon logs a user out when created keypair is over quota" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to CosteijnK (costeijn-kuhlmann) | 15:41 |
| e0ne | the same bug could be valid for other resources | 15:42 |
| e0ne | we redirect to the login page on 403 | 15:42 |
| e0ne | but API guidelines recommends to use 404 code if quota exceeded | 15:42 |
| rdopiera | so not our bug? | 15:43 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: actually, it's horizon bug | 15:43 |
| amotoki | as the current situation, different projects return different error code for over quota. | 15:43 |
| e0ne | "403 Quota exceeded" is a recommended response | 15:43 |
| rdopiera | that makes things tricky | 15:43 |
| amotoki | keystone returns 403, nova returns 413? and neutron returns ??? | 15:44 |
| amotoki | 404 is not the right value (as it means NotFound) | 15:44 |
| e0ne | we need to re-think our logic to process 403 errors | 15:44 |
| rdopiera | I think we discussed that once already | 15:45 |
| amotoki | 403 is Forbidden. it sounds too much to kick a user out. | 15:45 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: do you remember our conclusion? | 15:45 |
| rdopiera | I think we decided to display a page with an error, and a link to the login page, instead of redirecting to the login page | 15:45 |
| rdopiera | because that will still display the menu, and users can just go back | 15:46 |
| rdopiera | no menu on the login screen | 15:46 |
| rdopiera | so users feel lost | 15:46 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: I remember it | 15:46 |
| amotoki | sounds reasonable | 15:46 |
| rdopiera | but I may remember wrong | 15:47 |
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| rdopiera | (that was the option I advocated for) | 15:47 |
| e0ne | but it was a different | 15:48 |
| e0ne | but it was a different case | 15:48 |
| rdopiera | but I think it would work in this case, as long as we display the error message | 15:48 |
| e0ne | that solution was implemented if user has no permissions for some panel | 15:48 |
| amotoki | IMO it sounds more reasonable to show an error message which suggests to switch users when 403 is returned rather than kicking out the user. | 15:48 |
| e0ne | https://github.com/openstack/api-sig/blob/ff8fbbf3a9c2b8f6f96b6df0ddeb3865b8177274/guidelines/http/response-codes.rst#failure-code-clarifications | 15:48 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/openstack/api-sig/blob/ff8fbbf3a9c2b8f6f96b6df0ddeb3865b8177274/guidelines/http/response-codes.rst#failure-code-clarifications | 15:48 |
| e0ne | If the request results in the OpenStack user exceeding his or her quota, the return code should be 403 Forbidden. | 15:49 |
| e0ne | I prefer to not show login screen or link to login if quota exceeded | 15:49 |
| e0ne | it's really bad UX | 15:49 |
| amotoki | +1 | 15:50 |
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| e0ne | that's why I propose to review our logic for 403 errors | 15:51 |
| e0ne | it's something we need to thinks, because the fix is not trivial | 15:51 |
| rdopiera | is there a way we can know it's quota and not something else? | 15:54 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: AFAIR, the only way to do it is to check error message:( | 15:55 |
| e0ne | at least, python-novaclient doesn't raise any specific exception for keypair quotas | 15:56 |
| amotoki | in case of neutronclient, OverQuota exception is returned | 15:59 |
| e0ne | amotoki: it's good:) | 15:59 |
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| amotoki | as the response message contains the root cause like {"NeutronError": {"message": "Quota exceeded for resources: ['router'].", "type": "OverQuota", "detail": ""}} | 15:59 |
| e0ne | we're reaching time limit | 15:59 |
| amotoki | but 409 is returned.... | 15:59 |
| e0ne | we can continue our discussion in #openstack-horrizon channel | 15:59 |
| amotoki | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | thanks everybody for the participation | 16:00 |
| amotoki | good night | 16:00 |
| e0ne | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 10 16:00:10 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2019/horizon.2019-04-10-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2019/horizon.2019-04-10-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2019/horizon.2019-04-10-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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