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| cdent | #startmeeting placement | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 15 14:00:22 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'placement' | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Placement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
| cdent | #topic last meeting | 14:00 |
| cdent | #link last minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-04-08-14.00.html | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:00 | |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| cdent | there were no actions from the last meeting, most attention has been on spec reviews and pre-ptg emails | 14:01 |
| cdent | anyone have anything from the last meeting they need to revisit? | 14:01 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:02 |
| cdent | #topic specs and review | 14:02 |
| cdent | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/005070.html | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and review (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:02 | |
| cdent | there was a lot of stuff in the latest pupdate | 14:02 |
| cdent | so much that I created a little tool to go back and look at it all easily: | 14:02 |
| efried | ol | 14:02 |
| cdent | #link placement-reviewme https://github.com/cdent/placement-reviewme | 14:02 |
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| cdent | which may be totally contrary to other people's workstyles, but I figured it might be useful to someone else so there ya go | 14:03 |
| sean-k-mooney | it might be useful to have it jsut generate a gerrity query for all the reviews | 14:04 |
| cdent | Of the various specs, the two of gibi's that I've re-proposed needs some attention: | 14:04 |
| cdent | #link any trait https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649992/ | 14:04 |
| cdent | #link mixing required traits https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649368/ | 14:04 |
| gibi | cdent: I will try to look at it but cannot promise | 14:04 |
| cdent | sean-k-mooney: this is what I mean by different work styles. The pupdate services as a human inetermediary/filter | 14:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: :) | 14:04 |
| cdent | curation and all that | 14:04 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep i just click the links :) anyway thats off topic | 14:05 |
| sean-k-mooney | is there a reason those too specs are seperate | 14:06 |
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| cdent | any other specs that people want to draw attention to (in placement or anywhere else) | 14:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | i assume we woudl want to impleement both? | 14:06 |
| cdent | sean-k-mooney: because nobody has reviewed them yet | 14:06 |
| sean-k-mooney | ah ok | 14:07 |
| cdent | #topic bugs | 14:07 |
| cdent | #link Placement bugs (launchpad) https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:07 |
| cdent | #link Placement storyboard https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/placement | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:08 | |
| cdent | last I looked (this morning) there were no stand out bugs. anyone have any concerns? | 14:08 |
| cdent | #topic PTG/Forum | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/Forum (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:09 | |
| cdent | #link etherpad for ptg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-ptg-train | 14:09 |
| efried | how are we doing on that, overall, would you say? | 14:09 |
| cdent | The pre-ptg emails are going pretty well. some of them have not yet had any responses, but we've made some headway | 14:09 |
| efried | Like, how much stuff do we still have that we would wind up discussing at the PTG if we could find time where we weren't all in other rooms? | 14:09 |
| cdent | I think it might be useful to sort of digest a few of them | 14:09 |
| efried | I feel like you've been doing that to some extent. If not digesting, at least closing. | 14:10 |
| cdent | because it feels like there's still quite a bit to discuss, but people aren't actively discussing | 14:10 |
| cdent | yeah, the ones that are clearly nearing an end, I've tried to close | 14:10 |
| cdent | but there are others which need a bit of a push | 14:10 |
| cdent | and some (which I'll link in a moment) that haven't really started | 14:10 |
| cdent | #link envisioning other tech http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004789.html | 14:11 |
| cdent | #link Use in_tree getting allocation candidates http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004873.html | 14:11 |
| cdent | #link Testing PlacementFixture effectively http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004880.html | 14:11 |
| cdent | #link Shared resource providers for shared disk on compute hosts http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004881.html | 14:11 |
| cdent | #link NUMA Topology with placement http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004884.html | 14:11 |
| cdent | What I'll probably do, tomorrow, is go through the whole stack of threads and try to join() them in some sort of fashion to keep them going. | 14:12 |
| efried | The not-started ones perhaps aren't cared enough about to warrant pursuing at this time. | 14:12 |
| cdent | that's perhaps true | 14:12 |
| cdent | the shared disk one I think it's a matter of "the action is elsewhere" | 14:13 |
| cdent | probably also true for numa topology | 14:13 |
| cdent | although, if reviewing pacing on specs means anything... | 14:13 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: i think we all want to see both numa and shared disk get resolved. my persecpit of shared disk was no one had time to do it and numa is hard | 14:14 |
| cdent | sean-k-mooney: there's a spec under active review: | 14:14 |
| sean-k-mooney | numa is hard is also because it need feature not in placment yet if not is done in placemnt rather then with palcement | 14:14 |
| cdent | #link shared disk spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/650188/ | 14:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh ok | 14:15 |
| sean-k-mooney | thanks i was not aware | 14:15 |
| cdent | this is why there's a human curated pupdate, so that there can be list of such things ;) | 14:16 |
| cdent | gibi: you've expressed some concerns about processing the volume of email. Is there anything we could be doing different to make things a bit cleaner or clearer? | 14:17 |
| gibi | cdent: the issue is on my side, I cannot process this amount of information with my limited brain and focus time | 14:18 |
| gibi | cdent: I guess it is similar to the ptg shock | 14:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: i have felt similar with the virutal f2f | 14:18 |
| gibi | cdent: it is just during the ptg I only focus on the ptg | 14:18 |
| gibi | cdent: while now I have many thing in progress | 14:18 |
| sean-k-mooney | i lost the lates pupdate in the set of placement emails to the list | 14:18 |
| gibi | cdent: still I think the mails are good | 14:18 |
| gibi | cdent: and I try to adapt | 14:19 |
| cdent | one thing to remember is that you can comment at any point in the process. today, next week, doesn't matter. | 14:19 |
| cdent | don't let it rush you | 14:19 |
| cdent | it'll keep | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: i did wonder however if gerrit would have been simpler to keep track of for soem of the discussions | 14:20 |
| gibi | cdent: ack | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | part of that is my email workflow however weher i do not use threading. | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | i think the emails have definetly helped | 14:20 |
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| cdent | the main reason I wanted to stay out of gerrit for most of this stuff is because I wanted to make sure we were able to permeate the boundaries between different things to be a better sense of the big picture, rather than honining on details | 14:21 |
| cdent | that's not been a complete success, but I think somewhat useful | 14:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | ya it has | 14:22 |
| edleafe | Gerrit would be fine for discussing a finished proposal, not for a discussion with many possibilities | 14:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | i dissagree with that | 14:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | gerrit can be used for both | 14:23 |
| sean-k-mooney | but you are right it can be eaier to brainstome without it | 14:23 |
| cdent | The thing I think we have to be aware of and conscious of is that we're not legitmately going ot have any significant time in Denver. We have two days for placement. One of them is the last day when we will either be totally drained or people will be gone (jaypipes is leaving friday afternoon if I remember right?) | 14:23 |
| cdent | so even if this warmup we are doing now is solely warmup, it is better than nothing | 14:24 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes i assume there will be some placement fourme seesions too? | 14:24 |
| cdent | just one: about extraction | 14:24 |
| edleafe | placement history, not future :) | 14:24 |
| cdent | no project update or onboarding sessions were scheduled because of governance | 14:25 |
| sean-k-mooney | oh ok i was thinking so large future acrhiterure topics could be covered at fourm and tacticl Train items could be coverd in PTG | 14:25 |
| cdent | sean-k-mooney: for nova-related things, yes | 14:25 |
| cdent | but outside of that, not really | 14:25 |
| cdent | we have some time scheduled with ironic and blazar saturday morning | 14:26 |
| cdent | However, this is all okay: given the distribution of members of the team, we're all going to have more obligations outside placement than within it. We just need to make sure that we keep placement up with whatever those outside demands are (bug fixes, etc). | 14:27 |
| cdent | If we get to _no_ features this cycle, that's perfectly okay | 14:27 |
| cdent | as long as we enable other people to use placement well | 14:27 |
| cdent | if we do manage some features, groovy | 14:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes the hoe to getstart with placment topic on teh mailing list could have made a good fishbool session at the fourm | 14:28 |
| cdent | If somebody wants more than that, they can send some people | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | kindof like a project unboardign but for potential consumers of placement | 14:28 |
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| sean-k-mooney | i guess that is what teh ironic/balzar session will be | 14:29 |
| cdent | possibly, yes | 14:29 |
| cdent | anybody have other things to say about ptg, forum, pre-ptg? | 14:30 |
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| cdent | oh, I guess i do: I scheduled us for a picture but we can bail on it if people are sick and tired of such things | 14:30 |
| cdent | and do we want to try to do a team dinner or anything like that? It feels hard to fit in (given other obligations) | 14:31 |
| cdent | I'd be more inclined to have pizza or something like that delivered during the day on saturday | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Dinner sounds like a stretch. Photo is fine | 14:32 |
| cdent | k | 14:32 |
| cdent | #topic opens | 14:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:32 | |
| cdent | I'm gone next week. No pupdate this friday or next, won't be here for meeting Monday. | 14:33 |
| cdent | I'll try to summarize the pre-ptg emails this thursday and then again the saturday/sunday before the summit. But otherwise I hope to be properly gone. | 14:33 |
| gibi | cdent: have a nice time off | 14:35 |
| cdent | and a review request: this is cleanups to osc-functional tests to use placement fixture. efried has already expressed that he likes it but feels a bit under-qualified. If you either feel qualified or don't care about being qualified please look at it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/651939/ | 14:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | cdent: enjoy the easter break | 14:35 |
| cdent | thanks gibi | 14:35 |
| cdent | I'll be traversing various parts of my family in the midwestern us | 14:36 |
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| sean-k-mooney | cdent: i feel even less qualifed to review stuff related to the placement fixture and osc but ill try to take a look | 14:37 |
| cdent | thanks | 14:37 |
| efried | maybe between the two of us sean-k-mooney and I can squeeze out a +2 | 14:37 |
| cdent | anyone else for opens or anything else? | 14:37 |
| efried | (I'm not, however, going to collaborate with sean-k-mooney to squeeze out a #2) | 14:38 |
| * cdent looks at channel name | 14:38 | |
| efried | ogod, /me apologizes | 14:38 |
| efried | I was planning on taking the day off, clearly that's needed. | 14:38 |
| cdent | hehe | 14:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | :) | 14:38 |
| cdent | I think we better close things up | 14:39 |
| cdent | last words? | 14:39 |
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| cdent | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 15 14:39:57 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-04-15-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-04-15-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-04-15-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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