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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 09:00:02 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| suzhengwei | hi | 09:00 |
| priteau | Hi suzhengwei, nice to see you here! | 09:01 |
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| suzhengwei | sorry for absent last meeting. | 09:01 |
| priteau | Let's wait a few minutes for people to join | 09:01 |
| priteau | ping tetsuro | 09:02 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 09:02 |
| tetsuro | Hi priteau and suzhengwei, nice to see you | 09:02 |
| priteau | The main topic for today is to discuss integration between Blazar and Masakari / Watcher | 09:03 |
| priteau | This is why suzhengwei is here, thanks a lot | 09:03 |
| suzhengwei | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Masakari | 09:04 |
| priteau | I don't think anyone else will join so let's start | 09:04 |
| priteau | #topic Integration between Blazar and Masakari / Watcher | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration between Blazar and Masakari / Watcher (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:04 | |
| suzhengwei | I would like to give a simple introduce of Masakari. | 09:05 |
| suzhengwei | Masakari provides Instances High Availability Service for OpenStack clouds by automatically recovering failed Instances. | 09:05 |
| suzhengwei | When one host failed, Masakari will evacuate all instances from the failure host to other hosts. | 09:06 |
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| suzhengwei | Worsely, when large scale hosts failed, there is not enough resource to recovery all failed instances, so the reserved resource is very useful to the cloud patform. | 09:06 |
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| suzhengwei | Masakari tags some hosts as reserved hosts by itself, not through Blazer. | 09:07 |
| suzhengwei | I wonder if Masakari can use reserved resources managed by Blazar. | 09:08 |
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| priteau | How does your host tagging work? Does it integrate with Nova? | 09:08 |
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| suzhengwei | No, Masakari just tag some hosts in its database. | 09:09 |
| priteau | So it doesn't have any impact on scheduling decisions? Is it used as the target host for evacuation? | 09:11 |
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| suzhengwei | Yes, it used as the target host for evacuation. and it has problem on instance scheduling. | 09:12 |
| priteau | So, let me present how Blazar works | 09:13 |
| priteau | We have two modes of operation for compute resources: instance reservation and host reservation | 09:13 |
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| priteau | With instance reservation, you create a reservation for a number of instances (>= 1) with a given amount of vCPUs/RAM/disk, optionally with affinity or anti-affinity policies | 09:14 |
| priteau | Blazar tracks resource allocation on hypervisors to make sure reserved resources are always available. | 09:14 |
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| priteau | With host reservation, you reserve a full hypervisor (or several). Once the reservation has started, you can launch instances on this/these hypervisor(s) until you reach their capacity. | 09:15 |
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| priteau | I don't think we've ever tried live migration with Blazar. I suppose it would work if done between hosts of the same host reservation, assuming there are enough spare resources. | 09:17 |
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| priteau | It doesn't really fit well with the instance reservation model though. | 09:17 |
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| suzhengwei | I wonder if reserved hosts managed by Blazar can be used by HA in special condition, such as large scale hosts failure. | 09:18 |
| priteau | Host reservation would probably fit best with Masakari. You could have Masakari manage a reservation of spare hypervisors. When a hypervisor failure happens, remove a hypervisor from the reservation and use it as target? | 09:20 |
| priteau | That's assuming the HA instances are not launched within a reservation to start with | 09:20 |
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| suzhengwei | yes. | 09:21 |
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| suzhengwei | But before introducing to the Masakari, I must be clear about Blazer's capabilities about host reserve. | 09:22 |
| priteau | If HA instances are launched inside a host reservation, the spare hypervisor would probably have to be added to the reservation itself for the live migration to succeed | 09:22 |
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| priteau | suzhengwei: What kind of capabilities are you looking for? | 09:25 |
| suzhengwei | If we want to evacuate instances to reserved host, should we remove the host from reserved hosts pool? | 09:25 |
| suzhengwei | If nova-scheduler can select reserved hosts when instance migrate or evacuate? | 09:25 |
| suzhengwei | If not, is it easy to tranfer one normal host to a reserved host, or tranfer a reserved host to one normal host? | 09:27 |
| priteau | I am not completely sure about the behaviour of migration / evacuation with Blazar reservations, as I have never tried it, but I expect the Nova scheduler would prevent migration to a host in a different reservation | 09:27 |
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| priteau | Changing a reserved (or reservable host) to a normal host involves removing it from Blazar via the host-delete command (or DELETE API) | 09:28 |
| priteau | I believe there are issues adding it back later, so if it's a behaviour that is needed by Masakari we would have to fix it | 09:29 |
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| priteau | Unless Masakari can use reserved hosts directly. | 09:30 |
| priteau | How are HA instances created? | 09:31 |
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| priteau | Directly with Nova, or via a Masakari API? | 09:32 |
| suzhengwei | It rebuild/evacuate the instance on other node when host failure. | 09:32 |
| suzhengwei | via Nova. | 09:32 |
| priteau | I mean the original instance, the one that failed | 09:33 |
| priteau | Is it created directly by the user through Nova? | 09:34 |
| suzhengwei | Maskari just detect the failure and trigger instances evacuation. | 09:34 |
| suzhengwei | yes, created dtrectly via Nova. | 09:34 |
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| suzhengwei | Reserved hosts may be useful for Watcher project, too. | 09:36 |
| priteau | What would Watcher do with reserved hosts? | 09:37 |
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| suzhengwei | In Watcher DPM(power saving) strategy, it could power on or off some reserved hosts, by comparing the number of reserved hosts with configure value. | 09:39 |
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| suzhengwei | Only partly reserved hosts is power-on. If more reserved hosts id needed, power on the rest. | 09:42 |
| priteau | What I see would be really useful is powering off unreserved hosts until just before they are needed. | 09:43 |
| priteau | Yeah that would be really cool. | 09:43 |
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| priteau | Does watcher listen for notifications before taking some decisions? | 09:44 |
| suzhengwei | yes, it mainly listen for Nova/Neutron/Cinder notifications. | 09:45 |
| suzhengwei | Of course, it can extend. | 09:45 |
| priteau | Great, so the code to handle notifications is already in place | 09:46 |
| priteau | Currently Blazar only sends notifications on start / before_end / end of reservations, but we could add a before_start which would trigger watcher actions | 09:46 |
| priteau | We would need the hosts to power on a few minutes before a reservation starts, to make sure they are ready | 09:47 |
| suzhengwei | it only handle special notification. | 09:47 |
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| suzhengwei | I would like to introduce Blazar to Watcher. | 09:47 |
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| priteau | I would be happy to collaborate with the Masakari and Watcher projects. | 09:49 |
| priteau | I suggest the first step would be to gather design ideas into a common etherpad | 09:49 |
| suzhengwei | yep | 09:49 |
| priteau | Then turn it into a spec, | 09:49 |
| suzhengwei | I will learn more of Blazar before integration. | 09:51 |
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| priteau | Should Masakari and Watcher integration be two completely separate efforts? | 09:53 |
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| suzhengwei | I think so. They are two separate projects, and difrrent framework. | 09:55 |
| priteau | OK. And you are in both teams, but I guess not everyone is | 09:56 |
| priteau | #action Create Etherpads for Masakari and Watcher integration with Blazar | 09:56 |
| suzhengwei | diffirent framework | 09:56 |
| suzhengwei | Time is out:) | 09:58 |
| priteau | Thanks a lot for your time suzhengwei! We'll keep progress on Etherpads and will see when is the best time and place to chat next | 09:58 |
| priteau | #topic AOB | 09:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:58 | |
| priteau | Skipping Victoria OpenStack-wide priorities for today, let's discuss next week | 09:58 |
| priteau | Anything else to share today? | 09:58 |
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| priteau | Out of time. Thanks for joining! | 10:00 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 16 10:00:10 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2020/blazar.2020-06-16-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2020/blazar.2020-06-16-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2020/blazar.2020-06-16-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| tetsuro | Thanks! | 10:00 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting openstack-helm | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 15:00:36 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_helm' | 15:00 |
| megheisler | o/ | 15:00 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/openstack-helm-weekly-meeting agenda | 15:01 |
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| lamt | \o | 15:01 |
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| gagehugo | #topic Abandoning old patchsets | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Abandoning old patchsets (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:04 | |
| gagehugo | I've did a few already, but I'm going to be going through all the old patchsets and abandoning them | 15:05 |
| lamt | ++ | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | If there's one that you still want to work on, please feel free to restore it | 15:05 |
| lamt | what's the cut off again? | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | #topic Open Discussion | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: openstack-helm)" | 15:05 | |
| lamt | a year old? | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | yeah ~1 year | 15:05 |
| lamt | I don't think I have patches that old, so I am good | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | Does anyone have anything they want to discuss this week? Or any Reviews? | 15:06 |
| ivanvtimofeev | I have a review with Tungsten Fabric support: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663390/ | 15:07 |
| ivanvtimofeev | I've sent it already in pm | 15:07 |
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| megheisler | This may be a dumb question Gage but a year old from when they were first submitted? Are you checking if they are still active? | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | Nah not a dumb question | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | Anything that hasn't been updated in a year | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | Looking at when a ps was first submitted is too much work | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | It's based off the last update in gerrit | 15:08 |
| megheisler | sounds good, just wanted to double check. | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | It's really easy to just restore it anyway, if needd | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | needed* | 15:09 |
| megheisler | good to know | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | So if you have anything old that you want to keep, now's the time to rebase or make some update to bump it up | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | thanks everyone | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 16 15:15:28 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2020/openstack_helm.2020-06-16-15.00.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2020/openstack_helm.2020-06-16-15.00.txt | 15:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_helm/2020/openstack_helm.2020-06-16-15.00.log.html | 15:15 |
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| knikolla | #startmeeting keystone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 16 17:00:07 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 17:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 17:00 |
| vishakha | o/ | 17:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 17:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ on another call for a minute | 17:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 17:00 |
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| knikolla | how's everyone? no traveling or jetlag returning from ptg for once. | 17:02 |
| vishakha | Yeah | 17:04 |
| gagehugo | debating about working from outside this afternoon | 17:04 |
| knikolla | do it! if your screen is bright enough. | 17:05 |
| knikolla | i print out everything as pdf on my eink tablet and do some disconnected work and code reviews by the park. | 17:05 |
| knikolla | #topic Announcements | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:06 | |
| knikolla | We're already at M-1 this week. Time flies. | 17:07 |
| knikolla | I've set out some time this afternoon to organize bugs that we can target for M-2. | 17:07 |
| knikolla | I will also send out a doodle poll for a retrospective, since we didn't do one during the PTG. (We usually have beer with them) | 17:08 |
| knikolla | #topic Review Requests | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Requests (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:09 | |
| vishakha | I have some reviews for the team #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/731087/ | 17:10 |
| vishakha | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720789/ | 17:10 |
| vishakha | and https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734549/ | 17:10 |
| knikolla | thanks vishakha :) | 17:12 |
| knikolla | I will have a look later today | 17:12 |
| vishakha | Thanks knikolla | 17:12 |
| alistarle | About https://review.opendev.org/#/c/726929/ what is the status then ? | 17:13 |
| alistarle | Look like there is proposition to make to different section for oslo_limit, oslo.limit and oslo.limit-ksa, I don't know if any other oslo library are doing the same | 17:14 |
| bnemec | I don't know that we have any other libraries that talk to Keystone. | 17:15 |
| bnemec | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733881/ is the proposed solution based on our PTG discussions. | 17:15 |
| alistarle | Oh so there was PTG discussion about that ? I miss that | 17:16 |
| bnemec | Yeah, it was a brief part of the unified limits topic. | 17:17 |
| bnemec | There wasn't much dissension so it wrapped up quickly. :-) | 17:17 |
| alistarle | Ok, so if it is a consensus it is ok for me too, my only point is, as an operator, I find it a bit heavy to configure two separate section, and my question was does it was already done during openstack history | 17:18 |
| alistarle | and if not, does we agree to do it for oslo_limit | 17:19 |
| bnemec | I believe it is an existing pattern (feel free to correct me), and we have to have separate configs in any case because we can't rely on the ksa opts in oslo.limit for the reasons I outlined in the commit message. | 17:21 |
| alistarle | It's ok for me too then | 17:23 |
| alistarle | I will update the patch and the user guide accordingly, and try to check with openstacksdk when will the next release published | 17:24 |
| bnemec | Sounds good, thanks! | 17:24 |
| knikolla | cool :) | 17:25 |
| knikolla | anything else on the topic? or additional review requests? | 17:25 |
| gshippey | jeez i am on the wrong timezone! completely missed this | 17:29 |
| knikolla | #topic Open Floor | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Floor (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:29 | |
| knikolla | gshippey: you are perfectly in time | 17:29 |
| gshippey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1883247 | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1883247 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Able to assign users to projects/groups across different domains" [Undecided,New] | 17:29 |
| gshippey | is there a firm decision here? anyone currently deploying federation with OSA currently will be using assignations across domains | 17:30 |
| knikolla | i do have it set up like that. our projects are in default, our users are in the default domain and the domain of the idp. | 17:31 |
| knikolla | as i responded in the bug report, i am missing the historical context for why it is possible, or if it shouldn't have been possible. either way, it is what it is. | 17:32 |
| gshippey | so i am hoping I can just assume what we are doing is fine then :) | 17:32 |
| knikolla | yes, i guess the action item out of this is to document that this is possible. | 17:33 |
| gshippey | cool, perhaps that wiki i reference should be updated too | 17:34 |
| gshippey | if possible | 17:34 |
| vishakha | +1 | 17:34 |
| gshippey | great, thanks :) | 17:34 |
| knikolla | yeah, we haven't really used wikis in the past 4 years so everything keystone related in them is definitely stale. | 17:35 |
| vishakha | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1800161 | 17:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1800161 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Policy names need to be updated for consistency" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Vishakha Agarwal (vishakha.agarwal) | 17:36 |
| vishakha | I just wanted to know, is this still in focus for keystone. | 17:37 |
| vishakha | ? | 17:37 |
| vishakha | Should we update all the policies name as per the https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.policy/latest/user/usage.html#naming-policies | 17:37 |
| knikolla | good question. i assume it still is. | 17:38 |
| bnemec | You might run into problems with double deprecations if you rename a policy that's already deprecated. | 17:38 |
| knikolla | ++, this may need to hold off until we can consume the policy improvements. | 17:39 |
| vishakha | I am concerned it might break the operators | 17:39 |
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| vishakha | Yeah it might need to hold off | 17:40 |
| knikolla | i don't think that is a concern since the police in code will handle reading the deprecated policy if people don't update it. | 17:41 |
| knikolla | correct me if i'm wrong :) | 17:42 |
| vishakha | Hoping lbragstad can give some inputs on it | 17:42 |
| lbragstad | i don't think it's as high of a priority atm | 17:43 |
| knikolla | ++ | 17:43 |
| lbragstad | i think it's probably better to get things working wrt consistent RBAC and then reassess the naming | 17:43 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 17:44 |
| lbragstad | for context... | 17:44 |
| vishakha | sure. Thanks knikolla lbragstad | 17:44 |
| lbragstad | i opened that because using a convention across names made things easier for people using the http_check | 17:44 |
| * gagehugo put operator hat on | 17:44 | |
| gagehugo | I would want to make sure that any policy name changes make it into the release notes and have high visibility in the docs for upgrading to the release that it lands | 17:44 |
| gagehugo | a fallback to deprecated names would be good too | 17:45 |
| lbragstad | that said - i think consistent names are pretty much moot until we find a way to expose them (e.g., a capabilities API) | 17:45 |
| vishakha | okay | 17:47 |
| vishakha | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1804041. I wanted to gain some information about nginx | 17:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1804041 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Federation documentation should include examples for nginx" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:48 |
| vishakha | So that I can help in upating this documentaion. | 17:48 |
| vishakha | I am not sure from where to learn about it. | 17:49 |
| vishakha | Mostly nginx is used in keystone | 17:49 |
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| cmurphy | vishakha: not sure what suggestion to offer besides to look up the nginx documentation | 17:54 |
| vishakha | Thanka cmurphy I will dig more into it | 17:56 |
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| knikolla | I guess we can call the meeting to a close, thanks everyone :) | 17:58 |
| knikolla | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 16 17:58:22 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2020/keystone.2020-06-16-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2020/keystone.2020-06-16-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2020/keystone.2020-06-16-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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