Wednesday, 2020-06-17

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rosmaita#startmeeting cinder14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 17 14:00:34 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'14:00
enriquetasoo/14:00
rosmaita#topic roll call14:00
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whoami-rajatHi14:00
walshh_Hi14:00
eharneyhi14:00
enriquetasoo/14:00
rajinirhi14:00
jungleboyjo/14:01
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toskyo/14:01
geguileohi! o/14:01
rosmaitanice turnout!14:01
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-victoria-meetings14:01
lsekihi14:02
rosmaita#topic announcements14:02
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smcginniso/14:02
rosmaitathanks to everyone who filled out the poll to determine a good time for the virtual midcycle14:02
rosmaitawhich is next week!14:02
rosmaitathe winner is:\14:03
rosmaitaWednesday 24 June 1400-1600 UTC14:03
rosmaitaso the first hour overlaps with the time of the usual cinder meeting14:03
rosmaitaso everyone should be able to attend at least the first part14:03
rosmaitaand we will need topics:14:03
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/cinder-victoria-mid-cycles14:04
e0ne_hi14:04
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rosmaitasince it's the week before spec freeze, anyone working on a spec who has questions or needs some guidance, the virtual midcycle would be a good place to get answers14:04
rosmaitaanyone working on a spec should check out the virtual PTG etherpad14:05
rosmaitaeach spec was discussed, and there are comments on the etherpad14:05
rosmaita#link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/victoria-ptg-cinder14:05
rosmaitaand, of course, we can discuss other issues as well14:05
hemna_mep14:05
rosmaitai know it's coming up fast, but this is a short cycle, and spec freeze is in 2 weeks14:06
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whoami-rajatrosmaita, we will have only 1 meeting right ? (of 2 hours)14:06
jungleboyjCrazy.14:07
rosmaitawhoami-rajat: well, there will be part 2, but at week R-914:07
rosmaitaso yes, just one meeting before spec freeze14:07
whoami-rajatrosmaita, yep. ack.14:07
whoami-rajatthanks14:07
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rosmaita#action rosmaita announcement to ML about virtual midcycle14:07
rosmaitawe'll do bluejeans again as a videoconf technology14:08
rosmaitathe other topic is that last time i looked, all devstack-based zuul jobs are broken14:08
rosmaita#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-June/015432.html14:09
rosmaitaso recheck is futile until that's fixed14:09
whoami-rajatthey've proposed a patch which is merged in master but when i looked at grenade failure, it shows error on previous code, not sure why14:09
whoami-rajathttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/577955/27/lib/apache14:10
toskythe new uwsgi brought havoc14:10
rosmaitabut the stable branches don't seem to be doing so well, either14:11
toskywhoami-rajat: grenade install the previous branch14:11
rosmaita#link https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/builds?job_name=tempest-full#14:11
smcginnisI thought at least train was fixed as of yesterday.14:11
toskyso they sequence is: make grenade non-voting, make it non-voting also in the backport, fix the issue in the previous branch, reenable it14:11
toskybut yeah, until stein things should work, but not rocky14:12
toskyand queens14:12
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whoami-rajattosky, shouldn't it use the previous uwsgi version then? isn't it constrained for every release?14:12
rosmaitaok, so we think stein through master should work now?14:12
whoami-rajati still see failure in my master patch i updated yesterday https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735513/14:13
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toskyuhm, but that was yesterday14:14
toskywhoami-rajat: this patch has recent results https://review.opendev.org/#/c/712832/14:14
rosmaitahopefully ajaeger will send an update to the ML when everything is back to normal14:15
rosmaita#topic python2.7 compatibility issue14:15
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whoami-rajatoh, thanks tosky14:15
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rosmaitaok, so we've been talking about backports being more difficult now that master and ussuri are python3-only, and most of the stable branches are not14:16
rosmaitaso, here's a case in point so we can see what we're up against14:16
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rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733100/14:16
rosmaitaopen that link and take a look at the zuul results14:17
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rosmaitaalso, since this is a driver change, there was third party ci run on it manually for stable/train14:17
rosmaitabut, take alook at this:14:18
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733100/1/os_brick/privileged/scaleio.py14:18
rosmaitalook at line 99 and think for a minute before opening the next link14:18
rosmaita#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/188365414:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1883654 in os-brick train "os-brick fail to get password from config file" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to hamza (alqtaishat)14:18
rosmaitaso, you may remember hearing me say that we need to have good tests that will break on python3 only features14:19
hemna_:(14:19
rosmaitaand you may also notice that i +2'd the above patch14:19
rosmaitaanyway, here's a test:14:20
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735989/6/os_brick/tests/privileged/test_scaleio.py14:20
rosmaitawhich is a 68 line test file to test a function that contains 4 statements14:20
rosmaitaand i'm not even saying that's a great test14:20
rosmaitafor instance, there's a pretty good chance that it doesn't work on windows14:20
rosmaitabut, the point is that we need to up our test game14:21
rosmaitaor at least i do :D14:21
hemna_fwiw, there is no scaleio connector for windows14:21
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rosmaitacool14:22
rosmaitabut i guess this unit test would run anyway14:22
whoami-rajati think i left a comment on master version of this patch regarding testing that method14:22
rosmaitathe problem is using the tempfile14:22
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rosmaitai believe you did14:22
rosmaitaso bonus points for whoami-rajat14:23
whoami-rajat:D14:23
whoami-rajatwe were just testing if the method was called but not going inside it14:23
whoami-rajati'm not sure if it would've helped with this situation14:24
enriquetasowhoami-rajat++14:24
rosmaitayeah, so the code wasn't completely un-tested14:24
rosmaitajust not tested thoroughly enough14:24
rosmaitamy main point is that reviewers should feel empowered to demand more tests14:25
rosmaitaand reviewees need to be patient when more tests are demanded14:25
whoami-rajatrosmaita++14:26
rosmaitaany comments or observations before we move on?14:26
rosmaitai guess i have one more -- anyone guess why the third-party CI passed?14:26
enriquetasoI agree14:26
rosmaitabecause we made everyone move to Python 3!!!14:26
eharney:)14:27
whoami-rajatrosmaita, on stable branches also the CI running is py3?14:27
whoami-rajati guess it's the same CI14:27
rosmaitaso even if third-party CI is testing stable branches, we can't count on that to detect problems14:27
rosmaitaok, so in the next topic we can discuss why this is a particularly painful bug14:28
rosmaita#topic updating OSSN-0086 14:28
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rosmaitaok, so the patch that introduced that bug is one of the patches addressing a security issue14:28
rosmaitathe security issue had to be fixed in both cinder and os-brick14:29
rosmaitaluckily, the cinder side of the fix doesn't contain this problem14:29
rosmaita(and hopefully doesn't contain a different one)14:29
rosmaitaso, ussuri and master are python3 only, so we don't need to worry about those14:29
rosmaitabut we do have T, S, R, and Q (plus some joker has proposed a backport from Q -> P)14:30
rosmaitaat this point, ocata is dead to me, and pike is getting there14:30
rosmaitabut we can discuss pike later14:30
rosmaitain the ossn, we promised to fix back to queens14:31
rosmaitaso that's all i'm worried about now14:31
rosmaitahere's the train patch, which still needs some work:14:31
rosmaita#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735989/14:31
rosmaitain particular, smcginnis and jungleboyj please look at the release note on that patch14:32
rosmaitai tested locally, it will be a clean backport from T to S14:32
rosmaitaso once we get train fixed, that will be big progress14:32
jungleboyjOk.14:33
rosmaitaso, the OSSN lists the patches. i will have to update it to include the new patch14:33
rosmaitawe just released cinder and os-brick from train, i think we will have to do new releases?14:33
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rosmaitaso what we're looking at is: merge when gate is fixed, release new os-brick, wait for u-c change to merge, update cinder requirements, release new cinder14:34
smcginnis++14:34
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rosmaitaok, thanks, just wanted to make sure i wasn't being overly dramatic14:34
jungleboyj++14:34
rosmaitai'll include a similar release note on the new cinder release, just saying you only need to upgrade if you are using that particular backend and using python 2.714:35
rosmaitaok, so now when we get to Rocky and Queens, we don't release any more becuase they are in Extended Maintenance mode14:35
rosmaitathe commit message for the cinder patch refers to the os-brick patch (which is now broken)14:36
rosmaitabut it also mentions the OSSN, which i will update with the second brick patch14:37
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rosmaitaand i think if the commit message on the second patch says "Fix regression", anyone grabbing the first patch will notice the second in the git log?14:37
rosmaitaplus, i can send out an embarassing email to the ML giving operators a heads up14:38
rosmaitai guess that will take care of Rocky and Queens?14:38
rosmaitaanyway, if anyone has a better suggestion, let me know14:38
rosmaitai am just thinking out loud here14:38
rosmaitaso basically, what i really need is for stable cores to look for these patches14:39
rosmaitai will liberally ping people in IRC14:39
jungleboyj++14:39
rosmaita#topic expected behavior when the default volume type config option specifies a non-existent volume_type14:39
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rosmaitaok, the context is the work in Train to make sure that every volume has a volume_type14:40
rosmaitabecause we used to allow no type, and that caused problems14:41
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rosmaitaso now we have __DEFAULT__ if an operator doesn't set a default type in the cinder conf14:41
rosmaitaand we have a migration (i think in ussuri?) that makes any untyped volume __DEFAULT__14:42
rosmaita(is that correct whoami-rajat ?)14:42
whoami-rajatrosmaita, yes14:42
rosmaitacool14:42
whoami-rajatbasically it modifies the volumes,snapshots,encryption tables but yes14:42
jungleboyjSounds familiar.  :-)14:43
rosmaitaok, so there is a slight regression at the REST API layer (nothing to do with the database)14:43
rosmaitaand in fixing that, i am having an argument with whoami-rajat about expected behavior14:43
rosmaitaso the issue is that before train14:44
rosmaitaif the operator mis-configured the default volume type14:44
rosmaitawith a non-existent type14:44
rosmaitawe would log a message, and let the build succeed with no volume type14:45
hemna_the build ?14:45
rosmaitabuilding the volume14:45
rosmaitathe code in Train changes this so that instead of continuing the volume creation14:46
rosmaitaan exception is raised, and no volume14:46
enriquetasooh14:46
rosmaitai was thinking that the analog to the old behavior would be to allow the create to succeed, but with __DEFAULT__ as the volume type14:46
eharneyfailing the create is the right thing to do14:46
whoami-rajat#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/639180/41/cinder/volume/volume_types.py14:46
whoami-rajatL#18614:47
hemna_I think failing is the right thing to do14:47
rosmaitawell, except you get a 202 and only find out the volume create failed later14:47
hemna_it's a misconfigured cinder14:47
eharneywe want to fail the create because it also enables the case where an admin wants to make users select a volume type instead of defaulting to one14:47
rosmaitaok, what about this case14:48
hemna_so the intention is to set an invalid default on purpose ?14:48
rosmaitano, but it's logged for the operator14:48
rosmaitaall i'm saying is that we have __DEFAULT__, why not use it?14:48
hemna_in eharney's case an invalid default is specified with no intention of fixing it ?14:48
jungleboyjThe problem with failing is that it is an API change.  Right?14:48
eharneydo we check for an invalid volume type in the config at service start up?14:49
rosmaitanot sure14:49
rosmaitathe other place this will occur14:49
whoami-rajati honestly don't remember exactly but this made sense as if we configure a wrong default type (the right one points to a specific backend) then the volumes will end up in a totally unexpected backend (with the __DEFAULT__ type)14:49
hemna_failing should happen already for a volume type passed in that's invalid14:49
jungleboyjAt one point in history we were checking bad defaults at start-up.14:49
smcginniseharney: We probably should have a check on start up.14:49
hemna_smcginnis +114:50
rosmaitaok, we can follow up with that14:50
e0ne_smcginnis: +1. it's a good suggestion14:50
jungleboyj++14:50
rosmaitathe other case is if a user creates a volume from an image14:50
hemna_the only downside to that is that they have to start cinder w/o a default set, then create the volume type, then change the default in cinder.conf, then bounce cinder14:50
rosmaitayou can put metadata on the image saying what volume type you want14:50
hemna_vs w/o the start check, they can specify the missing type, then start cinder and create it.14:51
rosmaitaand since that's done by end-users, they are bound to make mistakes14:51
rosmaitado we want to fail the build, or give them the default?14:51
rosmaitathey used to get a successful build with no volume type14:52
hemna_create should fail with invalid volume type14:52
hemna_as it does today if you pass in an invalid type14:52
eharneyyeah, i don't think we want to quietly use the default in the image case either14:52
rosmaitaok14:52
hemna_we could do a check at startup and throw a warning14:53
smcginnisI agree. We either need to fail on startup, or we should fail the volume creation.14:53
rosmaitawell, for the image case, we can't check at startup14:53
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++14:53
jungleboyjOk, then it sounds like we need to fail at creation.14:54
rosmaitaok, so the conclusion is: if a volume-type is mis-specified, we do not give you a default, we fail the create14:54
eharneyyes14:54
rosmaitawhich actually makes sense14:54
jungleboyjYes.14:54
rosmaitait's just different from pre-Train14:54
whoami-rajatbut we already do it so we're fine :)14:55
rosmaitawell, apparently we don't do it too much, or someone would have caught the bug earlier :)14:55
eharneyfor more justification: defaulting to a different type would be quite bad for someone who thinks they're using encrypted volumes but accidentally isn't14:55
rosmaitayeah, silently doing something that sort of works is never a good strategy14:56
whoami-rajatrosmaita, yep, that too!14:56
rosmaitai'll revise my patch to preserve the train behavior, then14:56
rosmaitaok, thanks for the discussion14:56
rosmaita#topic open discussion14:57
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rosmaitaLiangFang is having connection problems14:57
rosmaitabut is asking people to please look at his patches for volume-local-cache14:57
rosmaitathe brick patch is using six, which i think we don't want any more14:57
rosmaitabut i forgot to actually leave that comment on the patch14:58
jungleboyj++14:58
hemna_ok I'll take a look14:58
rosmaitahemna_ had some questions or observations in the cinder channel just before the meeting started14:58
hemna_rosmaita thanks14:58
enriquetasoHi, same request here for the NFS encryption patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/597148/14:58
rosmaitai had really good intentions to review both, but this unending security bug ate my time14:59
hemna_so I was wondering why the volume's existing AZ isn't specified in the request spec during retype by default?14:59
rosmaitawe will have to continue this in the cinder channel, horizon meets in 20 seconds14:59
hemna_this ends up resulting in the scheduler picking a backend existing in a different AZ, which fails14:59
hemna_heh ok14:59
rosmaitasorry about that15:00
rosmaitathanks everyone15:00
rosmaita#endmeeting15:00
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enriquetasoThanks!15:00
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jun 17 15:00:15 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:00
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whoami-rajatthanks!15:00
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jungleboyjThanks!15:00
e0ne_#startmeeting horizon15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 17 15:00:37 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is e0ne_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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vishalmanchandahi.15:01
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e0ne_hi15:01
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e0ne_let's wait few minutes before start15:02
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e0ne_#topic Notices15:05
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vishalmanchandalet's start.15:05
e0ne_vishalmanchanda: +115:05
e0ne_courteous ping to amotoki15:06
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e0ne_this week we're reaching Victoria-1 milestone15:06
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e0ne_#link https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html15:06
e0ne_I know, it's fast15:07
e0ne_it's because this cycle is a bit shorter as usual15:07
rdopierasorry, I didn't realize I got kicked into openstack-unauthenticated15:07
e0ne_rdopiera: hi15:07
e0ne_I'll cut horizon release tomorrow just to bump requirements for plugin15:07
e0ne_*plugins15:08
e0ne_vishalmanchanda: or you can do it yourself as a release liaison :)15:08
vishalmanchandae0ne_: sure I will do that.15:08
e0ne_that's all updates I've got this week15:09
e0ne_I'll update our priorities list https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/horizon-release-priorities asap according to PTG discussions15:09
e0ne_#topic Open Discussion15:10
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e0ne_do we have anything  more to discuss?15:10
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vishalmanchandae0ne_: yup.15:10
vishalmanchandae0ne_: I have seen your comments on this patch https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708069/15:11
vishalmanchandae0ne_: thanks for reviewing it. It is the same what i have investigated so far.15:11
e0ne_vishalmanchanda: yea.. I've finally tested it :)15:12
vishalmanchandaNow there is one problem with that i am unable to figure out how can we send details variable in this template https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708069/11/horizon/templates/horizon/_messages.html15:12
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e0ne_vishalmanchanda: we can use this https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.0/ref/templates/builtins/#with15:13
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vishalmanchandae0ne_: I have tried to do the same what we have done here https://review.opendev.org/#/c/708069/11/horizon/static/horizon/js/horizon.messages.js@42.15:14
vishalmanchandae0ne_: Ok I will take a look.15:14
vishalmanchandae0ne_: But now you know the problem:).15:16
vishalmanchandathat's good.15:16
e0ne_vishalmanchanda: another option is to use own middleware based on django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware15:16
e0ne_vishalmanchanda: +115:16
vishalmanchandahmm.15:16
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vishalmanchandaAlso, I have pushed initial patch for cinder-user facing messages https://review.opendev.org/#/c/734161/15:17
e0ne_we can use custom middleware with a custom message class. I can try to do a PoC for it15:18
vishalmanchandaIt is working fine and now I have to add some tests.15:18
vishalmanchandae0ne_: thanks:)15:18
e0ne_vishalmanchanda: awesome! I'm downloading it for tests now15:18
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vishalmanchandathat's all I have.15:20
e0ne_thanks everybody for your contributions! see you next week!15:22
vishalmanchandathanks!15:23
e0ne_#endmeeting15:23
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