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| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 14:00:35 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 14:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:00 | |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 14:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 14:01 |
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| eharney | hi | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | ok, looks like we have some people | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | hello everyone | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-victoria-meetings | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | i'm at a coffee shop due to a power outage | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | so not using my usual keyboard, as you will notice | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's get started | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | #topic updates | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:03 | |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita, You can go to coffee shops? | 14:03 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | i am sitting outside, 15 feet from anyone else | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | inside is closed, you can only get coffee and leave | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | but the wifi is working! | 14:04 |
| tosky | what else is needed then | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | a better keyboard! | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | i the function and control keys are mashed together and i am having cutting & pasting problems | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | but enough about that | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | ok, the video meeting poll closes tomorrow | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | #link https://rosmaita.wufoo.com/forms/monthly-video-meeting-proposal/ | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | it even has an option for "don't care", so even if you don't care, you can still fill it out | 14:05 |
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| rosmaita | this week is R-minus-14 | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | milestone 2 is at R-11 | 14:06 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | hello sofia | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | that is, really soon | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | it is also the new driver merge deadline | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | i think we have 2 new drivers proposed? | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | hitachi is mostly together | 14:06 |
| rosmaita | thanks to lseki and smcginnis for reviewing that closely | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | and i think dell/emc is proposing a new driver? | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | i don't think i've seen any patches, just the launchpad blueprint so far | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | and a special note for geguileo | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | ussuri cinderlib must be released by R-9 | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: I don't think we will get that Dell one for Victoria. | 14:08 |
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| LiangFang | o/ | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: ok | 14:08 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: as soon as we review the patches that are in gerrit (with the exception of the one with the -W) we can release | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | "we" meaning "me", at least partially ... OK, will do | 14:08 |
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| rosmaita | ok, that's all the announcements | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i thought for a minute i deleted lseki's topic by mistake | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | but i see that he has moved it lower due to connection problems | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | #topic Moving stable/ocata and stable/pike to quick EOL | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Moving stable/ocata and stable/pike to quick EOL (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:10 | |
| sfernand | Lucio is having some issues to join the meeting, he is asking if we could post pone that | 14:10 |
| sfernand | ahh ok | 14:10 |
| TusharTgite | hi | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | ok, so you may have seen on the ML that nova is proposing to put pike and ocata into 'unmaintained' | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | hang on while i paste links | 14:10 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/015747.html | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-July/015798.html | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | you may remember that there was a proposal to do this for ocata before the PTG | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | and smcginnis pointed out in that thread that if one of the major projects EOLs a branch, we pretty much all have to do it | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | anyway | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i looked at our cinder ocata and pike branches | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | and they haven't been committed to in over 6 months | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | i mention that because lyarwood was proposing to back-date the nova 'unmaintained' phase to the last commit, which would mean a 3 month head start | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | i am not being clear | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | the issue is that a branch is supposed to be 'unmaintained' for 6 months, and then can go EOL | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | so, if it's ok for nova to back-date the 'unmaintained' period, i think we can too | 14:13 |
| rosmaita | just so happens that our back-dating can be 6 months | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | so my proposal is to put out a notice on the ML | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | that we are putting cinder pike and ocata into 'unmaintained' for 2 weeks, and if no one adopts them, we will EOL them | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | that's what i was waiting for! | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | thanks smcginnis | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | ok, so i will do that this afternoon ... 2 weeks from today is 22 July | 14:15 |
| rosmaita | (just to have that on the record) | 14:15 |
| LiangFang | ++ | 14:15 |
| tosky | removing them will simplify a lot the job handling; most "modern" jobs starts from pike, if not rocky | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | yeah, ocata has been dead to me for a month now | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | and pike is not much better | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | hooray for modernization | 14:16 |
| rosmaita | that's all, if anyone has second thoughts, we may have some open discussion later, and there is always the ML | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | #topic rethink the visibility of __DEFAULT__ type | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rethink the visibility of __DEFAULT__ type (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:17 | |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: that's you | 14:17 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, thanks! | 14:17 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1886632 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1886632 in Cinder "Cannot delete __DEFAULT__ volume type" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rajat Dhasmana (whoami-rajat) | 14:18 |
| whoami-rajat | So we've had a recent bug in which the author states that their users are being confused by the __DEFAULT__ name | 14:18 |
| * lseki sneaks in | 14:18 | |
| rosmaita | i was skeptical at first, but the last comment on the bug is very revealing | 14:18 |
| whoami-rajat | s/name/type | 14:18 |
| whoami-rajat | they say they don't want their users to see the __DEFAULT__ type since they've already configured CONF.default_volume_type | 14:19 |
| eharney | they don't want to see it when listing types, that is? | 14:19 |
| rosmaita | eharney: yes, but maybe even stronger than that | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | i think the way to go here is to not display __DEFAULT__ in the GET /types response if there is a default-type configured in cinder.conf | 14:20 |
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| jungleboyj | *Sigh* | 14:20 |
| whoami-rajat | eharney, yes, they say the users gets confused if they should use this one or the other their admin has configured as default | 14:20 |
| rosmaita | for type-show, you need to know the UUID of the type, is that right? | 14:20 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, id or name | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | we take the name in the path? | 14:21 |
| whoami-rajat | names are unique for volume types | 14:21 |
| jungleboyj | The concern does make sense. | 14:21 |
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| whoami-rajat | I'm not really sure if this is a problem for a large mass of just this particular case | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | i think we will see it more and more | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | the problem i see, is that __DEFAULT__ shows up in the api ref | 14:22 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: hiding the __DEFAULT__ vol type if we have a default in .conf could lead to a deployment having some volumes with __DEFAULT__ type but not getting it listed | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | and if you can do GET /types/__DEFAULT__ | 14:22 |
| geguileo | if they changed it after creating some volumes | 14:22 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, but we allow the __DEFAULT__ to be configurable, that's why it is visible | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | yes, but if it is not used at all. what does that matter? | 14:23 |
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| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, also if a volume gets created with the __DEFAULT__ type, it would confuse users more that their volume is using a type which isn't visible | 14:23 |
| geguileo | we could add a config option to hide it? | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | no | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | you just said they can do GET on the __DEFAULT__, so they can still see it | 14:23 |
| rosmaita | i mean, at the time you do a GET /types call, if the operator has one configured, that is what you will get | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | so we don't need to display the __DEFAULT__ in that case | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | and if the operator removes the config | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | then we will | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | which makes sense | 14:24 |
| geguileo | but if someone created a volume and it used __DEFAULT__ | 14:24 |
| geguileo | then the .conf was changed | 14:24 |
| geguileo | listing types would not return it | 14:25 |
| geguileo | and it would be weird not to have the type that some volume has | 14:25 |
| geguileo | when listing, I mean | 14:25 |
| geguileo | (the type would be there) | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i think it depends on what the types list is supposed to display | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | i think the types that are currently available to you | 14:26 |
| geguileo | and __DEFAULT__ is available | 14:26 |
| eharney | can't a user still manually create a volume w/ type __DEFAULT__ even if we don't list it? | 14:26 |
| geguileo | eharney: yup | 14:26 |
| eharney | so i'm not sure it's just about visibility in the list | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | that seems like a bug | 14:26 |
| rosmaita | i mean, __DEFAULT__ is supposed to be for lazy operators | 14:26 |
| geguileo | I don't see that as a bug... | 14:26 |
| eharney | i think it probably is a bug | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | sure, the operator has configured a default type, that's what the default should be | 14:27 |
| rosmaita | so, looks like a can of worms has been opened | 14:27 |
| eharney | presumably if the operator made a default volume type, they don't want __DEFAULT__ to be used | 14:27 |
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| rosmaita | yes, that's exactly this bug-filer's issue | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: i forget, what are the restrictions on modifying __DEFAULT__ type? | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | i mean the actual system default | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, their issue is they don't want their users to see it, they don't use it but it doesn't cause them any problem other than confusion | 14:29 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, we can update it, but can't delete it | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | so they could update __DEFAULT__ to have exactly the same properties as their preferred default? | 14:30 |
| whoami-rajat | what i suggested was, i will document this clearly | 14:30 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, yes they can | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | but they can't do it while there are any volumes of __DEFAULT__, right? | 14:30 |
| whoami-rajat | rosmaita, yep, it shouldn't be in use by any volume | 14:31 |
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| rosmaita | well, except as eharney pointed out, a user could explicitly ask for it | 14:31 |
| rosmaita | given that it's all over the api-ref responses | 14:31 |
| whoami-rajat | I've no issues in improving the documentation but what they're suggesting is to remove it which will again allow creating of untyped volumes which i don't prefer | 14:32 |
| whoami-rajat | and we also discussed the visibility scenario, that doesn't seem to work either | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | i think we have 2 bugs: | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | 1) if an operator has configured a default type, users should not be able to create a volume of __DEFAULT__ type | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | 2) if an operator has configured a default type, the __DEFAULT__ should not be displayed in the GET /types response (this one is controversial right now) | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | i think this is a real problem, because even though it's kind of silly, customer calls are a PITA | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | Since __DEFAULT__ was created because we can't handle things right in our code because too many places expected to have a type, I think it should be hidden from end users. | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: ++ | 14:35 |
| whoami-rajat | the configured one already has a priority over the __DEFAULT__ type | 14:35 |
| rosmaita | yes, but there' s no way for end users to know that | 14:35 |
| geguileo | and the problem is that horizon would present __DEFAULT__ | 14:36 |
| rosmaita | yeah, and DEFAULT looks more important that default | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | Yep. | 14:36 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. I do think that the complaint is relevant. | 14:37 |
| geguileo | yeah, it's a reasonable complaint | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's think about this some more and revisit next week | 14:37 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks everyone for their feedback | 14:38 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita, ++ | 14:38 |
| geguileo | I think we can hide the __DEFAULT__ type from the list if there are no volumes that use them and cinder.conf has a different default | 14:38 |
| geguileo | s/them/it | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | geguileo: problem is, any deployment since train will definitely have them | 14:38 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: not necessarily | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | yes | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | there was a regression | 14:39 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: they could have a default already defined | 14:39 |
| geguileo | in the conf | 14:39 |
| whoami-rajat | geguileo, but if they comment out the default part in cinder.conf, we should show it ? | 14:39 |
| geguileo | and the __DEFAULT__ would not be used | 14:39 |
| geguileo | whoami-rajat: that's what I would do | 14:39 |
| geguileo | that, or having a config option | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i don't like the config option | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | but we can discuss next week, let's move on | 14:40 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: but it's the cleanest way, since we pass the responsibility to the admin | 14:40 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: ok | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | #topic CI issues | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI issues (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:41 | |
| rosmaita | tosky: hopefully this is quick | 14:41 |
| tosky | I can just copy the content of the etherpad here | 14:41 |
| tosky | or do a summary: | 14:41 |
| tosky | - you can see many failures on cinder-tempest-plugin-lvm-lio-barbican fails, especially one test, I don't know why | 14:42 |
| tosky | - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/733161/ should temporarily unblock cinder-tempest-plugins gate broken by the ceph updates (but we need to fix them) | 14:42 |
| tosky | - please merge https://review.opendev.org/#/c/738978/ and its future train backport to make the ceph job pass again | 14:43 |
| tosky | - devstack-plugin-nfs-tempest-full is superbroken for unknown reasons (see https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735959/) | 14:43 |
| tosky | that's it - suggestions and help more than welcome | 14:43 |
| eharney | the lio-barbican job has been a little flaky for a while, and i occasionally look at it, but the failures are never very actionable/interesting to me | 14:43 |
| eharney | (that is, it probably needs a more thorough look) | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | superbroken is even worse than usualy | 14:44 |
| tosky | I suspect resource issues, the tests which fails most for lio-barbican is tempest.scenario.test_volume_boot_pattern.TestVolumeBootPattern.test_volume_boot_pattern | 14:44 |
| tosky | and it usually fails to connect to the spawned instance | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | tosky: i think you are onto something there | 14:44 |
| eharney | right | 14:45 |
| eharney | are we still chasing any of these things with elastic recheck? | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | i personally am not | 14:45 |
| tosky | I admit not being too much into that; I was told no need to add recheck <foo> because it should be caught by elasticsearch (maybe after adding some rules) | 14:46 |
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| smcginnis | I think since Riedeman left, we lost our last elastic recheck champion. :) | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | I think we should use it though. It does help. | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | ok, let's address that next week too | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | thanks, tosky | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | #topic Fix for Fail to extend attached volume using generic NFS driver | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fix for Fail to extend attached volume using generic NFS driver (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 14:47 | |
| rosmaita | lseki: that's you | 14:47 |
| lseki | hi | 14:48 |
| lseki | I think kaisers is ooo but he can read the logs later | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | hopefully your connection will hold for the next 10 min | 14:48 |
| lseki | hopefully | 14:48 |
| lseki | I talked to openstack-nova folks | 14:48 |
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| lseki | about https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1870367 | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1870367 in Cinder "Fail to extend attached volume using generic NFS driver" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lucio Seki (lseki) | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i like the idea of nova doing everything | 14:49 |
| lseki | in short, generic nfs driver is failing because it's trying to do an unnecessary `qemu-img resize` operation | 14:49 |
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| enriquetaso | :o | 14:50 |
| lseki | so the fix is to avoid generic nfs driver from doing that | 14:50 |
| lseki | and let nova do everything needed | 14:50 |
| lseki | I submitted 3 draft patches for nova, cinder, and devstack | 14:50 |
| lseki | nova patch to implement a trivial method called upon extend_volume | 14:51 |
| lseki | cinder patch to make nfs driver skip the qemu-img resize when volume is attached | 14:51 |
| lseki | devstack patch to enable the online extend test for generic nfs driver | 14:51 |
| lseki | reviews are welcome! | 14:52 |
| eharney | does the volume manager submit a nova event etc for extend after the driver's extend_volume call? | 14:52 |
| lseki | soon, I'll submit a similar patch for ONTAP NFS driver; it works on my machine | 14:53 |
| geguileo | eharney: we do | 14:53 |
| eharney | i suspect this means the extend method may need a lock against create_snapshot and other snapshot calls in the nfs driver | 14:53 |
| eharney | this also needs to be tested thoroughly with encrypted volumes | 14:53 |
| eharney | but many thanks for working on this | 14:54 |
| lseki | :-) | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | lseki: looks like your request for corner cases has been satisfied | 14:54 |
| rosmaita | lseki: thanks for the comprehensive report | 14:54 |
| eharney | to be more clear: performing resize and snapshot operations concurrently may break with your current patch, but i haven't looked too closely | 14:55 |
| lseki | kaisers may do something similar to quobyte nfs driver, putting a depends-on to nova patch | 14:55 |
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| lseki | eharney: hmm we should check that | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | four minutes left ... | 14:56 |
| lseki | I have another concern: what if nova fails to extend the volume for some reason? | 14:56 |
| lseki | cinder will update the DB with the new size, but the actual volume file will remain with the original size | 14:57 |
| eharney | hmm | 14:57 |
| geguileo | eharney: if the driver needs a lock to prevent snapshots while Nova does the resize we have a problem | 14:57 |
| eharney | geguileo: how so? | 14:57 |
| geguileo | because the call is async | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | We just send an event. | 14:57 |
| smcginnis | We don't ever even know if it happens. | 14:57 |
| geguileo | exactly :-( | 14:57 |
| geguileo | which brings us to lseki's concern | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | "Hey nova, if you're listening, you can extend this volume if you feel like it." | 14:58 |
| geguileo | what if it fails | 14:58 |
| geguileo | so we need to find a way to make it synchronous | 14:58 |
| eharney | i suspect there's an issue if you extend the root file while halfway through a create_snapshot operation which is shuffling files around | 14:58 |
| geguileo | or implement a similar external events mechanism like Nova so they can let us know the result | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | For other drivers it is not an issue since they extend the volume first, then send an event. | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | It could be to nova, or it could be to someone else using Cinder for volume services. | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | We definitely should not have a hard dependency on a nova API. | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | ok, looks like this needs some more thought | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | and we are out of time | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 15:00:08 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-07-08-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-07-08-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2020/cinder.2020-07-08-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| whoami-rajat | thanks! | 15:00 |
| lseki | thanks | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 15:00 |
| e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:00 |
| geguileo | rofl rosmaita just kicked us out | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 8 15:00:40 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 15:01 |
| e0ne | is anybody around for horizon meeting? | 15:01 |
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| e0ne | I'll wait for 5-7 minutes more if somebody joins me | 15:03 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 15:04 |
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| e0ne | rdopiera: hi | 15:05 |
| amotoki | hi | 15:07 |
| e0ne | I don't have neither updates nor something to discuss this week | 15:07 |
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| e0ne | rdopiera, amotoki: do you have anything ti discuss? | 15:08 |
| amotoki | e0ne: I have nothing to discuss today from my side. | 15:09 |
| e0ne | let's wrap up the meeting. enjoy the rest of evening! | 15:10 |
| e0ne | #endmeeting | 15:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 8 15:11:49 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2020/horizon.2020-07-08-15.00.html | 15:11 |
| rdopiera | bye | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2020/horizon.2020-07-08-15.00.txt | 15:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2020/horizon.2020-07-08-15.00.log.html | 15:11 |
| amotoki | good night | 15:12 |
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