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| eliaswimmer | tbarron: hi, I have one other issue for today's meeting. A bug I discovered, when resizing a generic driver share | 13:38 |
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| tbarron | eliaswimmer: would you mind joining #openstack-manila and repeating that? | 13:39 |
| eliaswimmer | tbarron: sure, I will create a bug report too! | 13:40 |
| tbarron | eliaswimmer: the meeting will be in this channel, but all the manila people are over there at this time | 13:40 |
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| gouthamr | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 15:00:54 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| carloss | o/ | 15:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: ganso dviroel lseki tbarron andrebeltrami felipe_rodrigues esantos | 15:01 |
| carthaca | Hi | 15:01 |
| andrebeltrami_ | hello | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | here's our agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | thank you for tuning in, let's begin | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| gouthamr | We've an upcoming bug target deadline next week: Milestone-r | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | Milestone-2* | 15:03 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | #link https://releases.openstack.org/wallaby/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | our new driver deadline is in 3 weeks | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | and the feature proposal freeze follows that | 15:04 |
| felipe_rodrigues | o/ | 15:04 |
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| mgoddard | o/ | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | so as we're slowly inching our way into the tail end of this release cycle, a lot of code could be submitted, and as ever, we'll need to keep the momentum on reviews :) | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | no other pressing announcements atm, anyone else got any? | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | cool, lets move on.. | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | #topic Manila deployment via Kolla-Ansible (mgoddard, eliaswimmer) | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manila deployment via Kolla-Ansible (mgoddard, eliaswimmer) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
| mgoddard | Hi Zorillas | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | hi mgoddard, eliaswimmer | 15:08 |
| tbarron | o/ | 15:08 |
| eliaswimmer | hi | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | This agenda item came about after discussing manila in yesterday's kolla meeting | 15:08 |
| mgoddard | We have a bug, it seems we are doing multinode manila incorrectly | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1905542 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1905542 in kolla-ansible "Manila ceph configuration won't work in HA mode" [Undecided,New] | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | We naively deploy manila-share active/active, and hope for the best | 15:09 |
| mgoddard | tbarron joined in the conversation and suggested we discuss the state of manila in Kolla here | 15:10 |
| tbarron | Are you doing this for cinder-volume as well? | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | so here we are | 15:10 |
| mgoddard | well, that's another story | 15:10 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: And thanks for joining us! | 15:11 |
| mgoddard | we were previously using cinder backend_host, then it somehow got dropped, and now we have a bug which we're working on | 15:11 |
| tbarron | I ask because manila developed as a fork of cinder and we inheritied some issues w.r.t. active-active service talking to storage back end | 15:11 |
| tbarron | They are making some progress. | 15:11 |
| mgoddard | right | 15:11 |
| tbarron | We keep talking about it but | 15:12 |
| mgoddard | it certainly would be nice to have | 15:12 |
| tbarron | as I mentioned to you many of us work with deployment arch (tripleo) that does a pretty good job running the service active-passive so | 15:12 |
| mgoddard | I will do everything in my power not to have to deploy pacemaker | 15:12 |
| tbarron | we've been able to get away with procrastination. | 15:12 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: I am actually quie sympathetic to that POV and am not recommendinng pacemaker for kolla-ansible. | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | yeah, testing/supporting active-active HA for manila-share has been on the backlog for a while | 15:13 |
| tbarron | We already have the machinery in place so using it for manila isn't a big deal in that context. | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | do we have any alternatives? | 15:13 |
| mgoddard | (for existing releases) | 15:14 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: I'm not draft *you* as I know you are doing many things already but we really need some folks working in manila whose | 15:14 |
| tbarron | day jobs don't depend on tripleo | 15:15 |
| tbarron | to balance things out | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | not that i'm aware of, we've only ever tested/documented using pacemaker: | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | #link https://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/storage-ha-file-systems.html#add-shared-file-systems-api-resource-to-pacemaker | 15:15 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: the particular bug you raise is one thing, I think the independent keys idea may work for that | 15:15 |
| tbarron | But the more general problem that active-active is not really safe for manila-share service yet is another matter. | 15:16 |
| * gouthamr scratch that link, it should be manila-share we're talking about | 15:16 | |
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| tbarron | mgoddard: manila-share core code needs some fixes, then back-end by back-end there need to be fixes. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: which back ends is the kolla community most interested in? | 15:18 |
| eliaswimmer | for me it is ceph and generic | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | we support generic, hnas, cephfsnative, cephfsnfs & glusterfsnfs | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | although it's fairly customisable | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | so other drivers too potentially | 15:19 |
| mgoddard | so from our perspective I think there are two issues | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | 1. what do we need to do today to safely use existing manila-share | 15:21 |
| mgoddard | 2. if and when active/active manila-share becomes available, how do we use it | 15:22 |
| mgoddard | I'd love to find you some contributors, although I expect many projects are in a similar position | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | ^ +1 thanks for that - that'd be the prime concern - we could talk in theory about the pitfalls there may be for attempting active-active HA | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | with the workaround you have | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | for the native cephfs backend | 15:24 |
| mgoddard | that would be helpful to understand the severity of the issue | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | from the top of my head: driver startup, and periodic driver interactions | 15:25 |
| tbarron | note that depending on the back end there is an issue of HA for the back end as well | 15:25 |
| tbarron | no issue for native cephfs | 15:25 |
| tbarron | for generic driver we have the issues covered in this incomplete review https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila-specs/+/504987 | 15:26 |
| mgoddard | queens :) | 15:26 |
| tbarron | for cephfsnfs, tripleo uses pacemaker :( | 15:26 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: yeah, we've been talking about this stuff for some time | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | during startup, there's a reconciliation of exports on the backend, so this might run twice, but, if the driver startup is staggered, this isn't a biggie; and there aren't many periodic driver interactions for the native cephfs driver | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | just the scheduler stats update | 15:27 |
| mgoddard | it's very difficult to retrofit if this stuff isn't designed in from the beginning | 15:27 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: +1 | 15:28 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yeah, fixing for native cephfs and adding some missing tooz locks in manila-share core would be a good start | 15:29 |
| tbarron | And then maybe documenting caveats for other back ends until someone can fix them. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | eliaswimmer: is your interest in the generic driver for production use? | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | yeah, that's a good point - one of the other pieces that relies on coordination is share access control - we currently protect critical sections there with file locks | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | if the file locks aren't coordinated, this could potentially break | 15:31 |
| eliaswimmer | tbarron: only until I have a good setup for using cephfs natively | 15:31 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: the code changes to swith them to tooz wouldn't be hard, but need to deploy tooz with dlm and test test test | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 | 15:32 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: mgoddard but consequences of races there are probably not too bad either. Access to share isn't granted or withdrawn properly and needs to be re-done? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | Not like data loss. The more general bogey with active-active cinder-volume or manila-share. | 15:33 |
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| mgoddard | that's all helpful stuff, thanks | 15:35 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: so k-a gate runs multinode jobs with a DLM in play? If manila does make changes for a-a, they could be tested there? | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | i think so - if you added a lot of access rules at once on a particular share, we could claim some of your access rules have been applied. but, in reality, cephfs could know nothing about them | 15:35 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: so undetected access failure, or rather in-use detection by end users. | 15:36 |
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| gouthamr | yeah, the annoying workaround would be to apply access rules one at a time | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | currently we do not deploy a DLM in CI jobs, although I expect we will soon | 15:36 |
| mgoddard | it should be a one-liner to enable | 15:37 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: So perhaps respecting yoour time we should leave the conversation where it is atm. We don't have a quick | 15:37 |
| tbarron | solution for you but the good thing is we in manila are more aware of the need and potential for testing | 15:37 |
| mgoddard | yes, we should let you continue with your other topics | 15:37 |
| tbarron | outside of just manila gate or tripleo. | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | +1, I think we're all a bit more synced up now | 15:38 |
| tbarron | mgoddard: Thanks much for your time, and you know where to find us! | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | yes, thank you for bringing this up mgoddard eliaswimmer | 15:38 |
| mgoddard | well, thank you for inviting us. Enjoy the rest of the meeting o/ | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | let's move on to regular programming | 15:39 |
| tbarron | eliaswimmer: hang around please :D | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | on wait | 15:39 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: he has bug, can be there | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: anything else about $topic | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ah i see | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | #topic Reviews needing feedback | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews needing feedback (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:40 | |
| tbarron | s/he I shouldn't be assuming :D | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | alright, time for our favorite review focus etherpad | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/manila-wallaby-review-focus (Wallaby cycle review focus etherpad) | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | if you have anything that needs reviewer attention, please feel free to add your change to this etherpad, and we'll track through the end of this release cycle | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | it's brand new, we could have patches that you need a nudge on already | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | anything that needs to be discussed right now? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | cool; we'll talk about this again next week | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | we can move on to: | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | #topic Bugs (vhari) | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (vhari) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:45 | |
| gouthamr | o/ vhari - the floor's yours | 15:45 |
| vhari | gouthamr, I am on another call can you pls drive the Bugs | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | ah sure thing | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1911695 | 15:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1911695 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "generic backend resize share failure when no access rule is set" [Undecided,New] | 15:46 |
| vhari | gouthamr, all new bugs are on etherpad | 15:46 |
| eliaswimmer | I think this is quite easy to fix | 15:47 |
| eliaswimmer | some quotes are missing | 15:47 |
| eliaswimmer | before exec via bash | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | ah i see | 15:48 |
| eliaswimmer | If you want I can patch it | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | that would be very welcome, eliaswimmer | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | thanks for filing this bug | 15:48 |
| tbarron | eliaswimmer++ | 15:48 |
| tbarron | should we target m2 or m3 for this one? | 15:49 |
| eliaswimmer | m is milestone? | 15:49 |
| tbarron | m2 is 3 weeks away | 15:49 |
| tbarron | yes, sorry | 15:49 |
| vkmc | eliaswimmer++ | 15:49 |
| eliaswimmer | I would like to have it in train :) | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | m2 is next week, tbarron | 15:50 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ah yes | 15:50 |
| tbarron | d'ph | 15:50 |
| tbarron | i know that too | 15:50 |
| tbarron | you just told us | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | eliaswimmer: yes, we'll need to fix it in the trunk branch, and we can backport it one branch at a time | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | we can set this one to m-3, and follow up on LP - do let us know if you have any questions | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | for reference, the wallaby release schedule is here: https://releases.openstack.org/wallaby/schedule.html | 15:52 |
| eliaswimmer | gouthamr: ok | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | and milestone-3 is Mar 08 - Mar 12 | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | lauchpad's very slow atm | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ty for picking this up eliaswimmer, lets move to the next bug | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1911071 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1911071 in OpenStack Shared File Systems Service (Manila) "lower constraints job broken on stable branches older than ussuri" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Goutham Pacha Ravi (gouthamr) | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | alright this one's been targeted | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | we're discussing lower-constraints jobs quite a bit over the mailing list | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | so far, the consensus seems to be to keep them since they've been fixed - in manila, we've now fixed them train+ | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | we still have a problem with stein, rocky and queens | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | and these branches are on extended maintenance | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | i attempted a patch for stein | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila/+/770207 ([stable/stein] Update requirements and constraints) | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | still failing - will need to check what's going on there | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | but, i'd not like to do this on rocky and queens - i don't see the value of bumping requirement files on these really old branches | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | specifically to call out lower requirements | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | so i'm proposing we drop the lower-constraints testing on these | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/manila/+/770704 ([stable/rocky] Adjust CI jobs) | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | took the opportunity to do some more CI cleanup ^ | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | let's discuss the merits/pitfalls of this directly on the change | 15:58 |
| carloss | thanks for working on this, gouthamr :) | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | let's wrap up bug triage here.. | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | you're welcome carloss | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | no time for open discussion today :) | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | if you have something, please come on over to #openstack-manila | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | thank you all for attending | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | stay safe! | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 16:00:38 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2021/manila.2021-01-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2021/manila.2021-01-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2021/manila.2021-01-14-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 14 16:06:39 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 16:06 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:06 | |
| priteau | Apologies for starting late | 16:06 |
| priteau | Probably quiet today as diurnalist is on holiday | 16:09 |
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| priteau | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 14 16:45:37 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2021/blazar.2021-01-14-16.06.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2021/blazar.2021-01-14-16.06.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2021/blazar.2021-01-14-16.06.log.html | 16:45 |
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