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primeministerp1 | greetings programs! | 20:49 |
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ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
vishy | o/ | 20:59 |
notmyname | howdy | 20:59 |
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soren | o/ | 21:00 |
johnpur | o/ | 21:00 |
ttx | waiting for jaypipes... | 21:00 |
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ttx | Vek: being different is important. | 21:01 |
* Vek tries to be as different as possible :) | 21:01 | |
ttx | ok, let's start, hopefull Jay will join us. | 21:02 |
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ttx | #startmeeting | 21:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 31 21:02:11 2011 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 21:02 |
ttx | Welcome to our weekly OpenStack team meeting... | 21:02 |
ttx | New URL for the agenda, due to proliferation of meetings: | 21:02 |
ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/TeamMeeting | 21:02 |
sandywalsh | o/ | 21:02 |
devcamcar | o/ | 21:02 |
ttx | #topic Actions from previous meeting | 21:02 |
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ttx | * ttx to create webnumbrs for all core projects: NOT DONE | 21:03 |
ttx | Been a bit busy setting up the milestone release process, so deferred | 21:03 |
ttx | #action ttx to create webnumbrs for Swift/Glance | 21:03 |
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ttx | * dabo to bridge the gap with jacobian and work towards a common client | 21:03 |
jaypipes | o/ | 21:03 |
ttx | jaypipes: welcome ! | 21:03 |
jaypipes | heya | 21:03 |
ttx | dabo: I saw the email for this, and Jacob just answered very positively. | 21:03 |
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ttx | dabo: I suspect you'll answer and progress towards merging the two projects ? | 21:04 |
ttx | * jaypipes to confirm the nobottle unblocking | 21:04 |
ttx | jaypipes: did you confirm that mysteriously-named action ? | 21:05 |
jaypipes | ttx: that is done. | 21:05 |
ttx | * jaypipes to create removal of local image service blueprint | 21:05 |
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ttx | jaypipes: still TODO ? | 21:06 |
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jaypipes | ttx: hmm, I *thought* I made a bug report about that... still looking for it. | 21:07 |
ttx | #action dabo to make progress towards merging the nova python client library projects | 21:07 |
dabo | ttx: I'll follow up with him | 21:07 |
ttx | dabo: cool | 21:07 |
ttx | let's move on | 21:07 |
ttx | #topic General release status | 21:07 |
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ttx | Soren and I worked on the milestone release process... | 21:08 |
dabo | ttx: wait - you got a response? I didn't see it | 21:08 |
ttx | in particular the Jenkins automation around release branches ("milestone-proposed") | 21:08 |
ttx | dabo: verry recent. | 21:08 |
dabo | ah | 21:08 |
jaypipes | ttx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/723947 dprince marked it Invalid. | 21:08 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 723947 in nova "Remove the local image service (nova/image/local.py)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 21:08 |
ttx | jaypipes: it was not valid by that time but becomes more valid now. | 21:09 |
ttx | jaypipes: feel free to reopen it rather than make your own | 21:09 |
jaypipes | ttx: k | 21:09 |
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ttx | This automation was applied to Swift and will be applied to Nova/Glance tomorrow. | 21:09 |
ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:10 |
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notmyname | 1.4.0 released today | 21:10 |
ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/diablo/1.4.0 | 21:10 |
ttx | There are also Ubuntu packages here: | 21:10 |
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ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/~swift-core/+archive/milestone-proposed | 21:10 |
ttx | We'll set up a specific "last milestone" PPA soon to hold pure "1.4.0" packages. | 21:10 |
ttx | notmyname: how is 1.4.1 looking so far ? Any feature planned, or proposed date ? | 21:10 |
notmyname | no date yet. I hope to have one soon (within a week or so) | 21:11 |
ttx | cool. | 21:11 |
ttx | notmyname: Other announcements or comments ? | 21:11 |
notmyname | as for new features, I'm currently working on the existing blueprints | 21:11 |
notmyname | swauth and stats/logging stuff will be removed | 21:11 |
notmyname | to their own respective projects | 21:11 |
ttx | notmyname: will there be doc pointers in core swift to find them ? | 21:12 |
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notmyname | I certainly hope so :-) | 21:12 |
ttx | ok :) | 21:12 |
ttx | Questions for the Swift team ? | 21:12 |
notmyname | I know there will be other things in 1.4.1, but I don't have anything else targeted yet | 21:12 |
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devcamcar | notmyname: what is timeframe for removing swauth/keystone support? | 21:13 |
notmyname | the goal is to not have an auth system in swift | 21:13 |
notmyname | swauth will be removed in 1.4.1 (likely in about 6 weeks) | 21:14 |
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* ttx likes negative goals | 21:14 | |
devcamcar | notmyname: excellent, thanks | 21:14 |
ttx | no other question ? moving on then | 21:14 |
notmyname | I don't know if keystone will be in 1.4.1 | 21:14 |
notmyname | that is, | 21:14 |
notmyname | it won't be part of the project | 21:14 |
notmyname | but I don't know if pointers, etc will be there | 21:14 |
notmyname | (or if keystone will be ready then) | 21:15 |
notmyname | it's a matter of docs, mostly | 21:15 |
ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:15 |
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ttx | jaypipes: hi! Looking at https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/diablo-1 | 21:15 |
ttx | All targeted features are in. You have one open targeted bug left... | 21:15 |
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jaypipes | ttx: yes, I've been waiting for dprince to do a final check on that. | 21:16 |
ttx | Note that if this one doesn't get in today (and doesn't get retargeted) we'll have to push it to the release branch *and* to trunk, tomorrow. | 21:16 |
jaypipes | ttx: yes, understood. | 21:16 |
ttx | jaypipes: Other announcements, comments ? | 21:16 |
jaypipes | ttx: nope. | 21:16 |
jaypipes | ttx: I'll do a release announcement on thursday. | 21:16 |
ttx | Any Glance question, raise your hand | 21:16 |
jaypipes | ttx: been working on fixing myriad Keystone unit test issues today. | 21:16 |
primeministerp1 | yes | 21:17 |
primeministerp1 | whoops | 21:17 |
ttx | primeministerp1: a Glance question ? | 21:17 |
primeministerp1 | nope, stuff to add to misc | 21:17 |
ttx | ok, wait for open discussion then | 21:18 |
primeministerp1 | sorry slip of the sausage hands | 21:18 |
ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:18 |
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ttx | vishy: yo! Looking at https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/diablo-1 | 21:18 |
ttx | A few planned features are still missing -- let's see what can still make it and what should be deferred: | 21:18 |
ttx | * integrate-nova-authn: no code linked | 21:18 |
ttx | Been trying to get updated status from westmaas, apparently this was between Titan and RCB | 21:19 |
vishy | there is code in keystone for integration | 21:19 |
vishy | that works - ec2 api | 21:19 |
vishy | minus the ec2 api that is | 21:19 |
devcamcar | vishy: no ec2 api with keystone? | 21:19 |
vishy | the spec included a middleware for ec2 that is not done | 21:19 |
ttx | so this should be retargeted to diablo-2 ? | 21:19 |
vishy | so yes | 21:20 |
ttx | ok will do | 21:20 |
ttx | * xs-ovs: branch proposed, no review yet | 21:20 |
ttx | Looks like time is running short for this one | 21:20 |
jaypipes | vishy: that's interesting, considering I can get virtually no tests to pass in keystone... | 21:20 |
ttx | oh, it got one approved recently | 21:20 |
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jaypipes | vishy: remove the stubs and it falls apart... | 21:20 |
vishy | rick reviewed it needs another +1. I've looked at it | 21:21 |
vishy | jaypipes: hmm, we are using it successfully | 21:21 |
ttx | * provider-firewall: branch proposed, one review missing | 21:21 |
jaypipes | vishy: simple little things like you can create a user with no password, then try it again and the server dies. | 21:21 |
vishy | it is very hard for anyone to test the ovs branch, but apparently it has gone through qa inside of rs | 21:22 |
vishy | i think provider will make it in | 21:22 |
ttx | ok, let's keep both targeted atm | 21:22 |
ttx | * administrative-vms: not proposed yet | 21:22 |
vladimir3p | still working on it | 21:23 |
vladimir3p | just changed its target to diablo-2 | 21:23 |
ttx | vladimir3p: makes sense, thanks | 21:23 |
vishy | the testing one titan said they need a couple more days | 21:23 |
vishy | it doesn't really affect any production code so we can merge it if it makes it | 21:24 |
vishy | it is essentially just docs | 21:24 |
ttx | sure. | 21:24 |
ttx | and reference-architectures doesn't land in code, so we can keep it in | 21:24 |
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ttx | On the bugs side, we have no bugs targeted to diablo-1 yet. Any candidate ? | 21:24 |
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ttx | any critical regression we missed ? | 21:25 |
ttx | vishy: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:25 |
ttx | Questions for the Nova PTL ? | 21:26 |
vishy | I would love help tomorrow with testing | 21:26 |
soren | I'll certainly help test. | 21:26 |
vishy | if everyone could just try to install and run the trunk code to pick up any last minute issues before we cut milestone 1 that would be great | 21:26 |
ttx | vishy: I'll try to throw some spare cycles at basic testing, been some time since I last refreshed my install. | 21:27 |
ttx | ok, moving on in 10 seconds if nobody raises their hand. | 21:27 |
primeministerp1 | question | 21:27 |
primeministerp1 | on the nova side | 21:27 |
ttx | primeministerp1: yes ? | 21:27 |
primeministerp1 | how's about hyperv bits | 21:28 |
ttx | primeministerp1: you mean, do they work ? As far as we know, yes, but that doesn't mean much. | 21:28 |
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primeministerp1 | i'm trying to understand how it fits in | 21:28 |
primeministerp1 | and how we can help | 21:28 |
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ttx | vishy: you take this one ? | 21:29 |
primeministerp1 | to bring everyone here up to speed | 21:29 |
primeministerp1 | if i may | 21:29 |
primeministerp1 | we have an 8 node hyperv compute cloud running on 4xnehialm(sp?) machines | 21:29 |
dabo | b | 21:29 |
primeministerp1 | we would like to make sure | 21:29 |
dabo | oops - wrong window | 21:29 |
primeministerp1 | we are testing all the latest stuff | 21:30 |
ttx | primeministerp1: did you get the contacts that were promised to you ? | 21:30 |
primeministerp1 | to help w/ the advancement of hyperv/openstack | 21:30 |
primeministerp1 | o yes | 21:30 |
primeministerp1 | i did | 21:30 |
mtaylor | primeministerp1: I was actually _just_ in the middle of writing some email about that :) | 21:30 |
primeministerp1 | however i would like to invite others to our cause | 21:30 |
ttx | primeministerp1: integrate the testing sounds like the best way to achieve that | 21:31 |
mtaylor | ++ | 21:31 |
primeministerp1 | exactly | 21:31 |
ttx | maybe we can come back on that at the end of the meeting, time permitting | 21:31 |
primeministerp1 | is there anyone out there currently who has done anything w/ hyperv/nova | 21:31 |
ttx | we have a few more topics to cover. | 21:31 |
primeministerp1 | fair enough | 21:31 |
ttx | and this is an open-ended question :) | 21:31 |
primeministerp1 | hehe | 21:31 |
ttx | #topic Nova review backlog | 21:31 |
primeministerp1 | i love thos | 21:31 |
primeministerp1 | e | 21:31 |
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ttx | I wanted to quickly discuss what we can do to reduce the Nova review backlog (again). | 21:32 |
ttx | I'm under the impression that since ReviewDays were set up, we have less opportunistic reviews than we used to... | 21:32 |
ttx | Does that mean we should move to two core reviewers per day ? | 21:32 |
ttx | There are 23 members. At this point that means one review day every month. | 21:32 |
ttx | Sounds like two review days per month wouldn't be too much. | 21:32 |
devcamcar | i prefer the idea of assigning areas to people | 21:32 |
bcwaldon | c:q | 21:33 |
devcamcar | making people responsible for specific reviews and not specific days | 21:33 |
jk0 | assigning areas++ | 21:33 |
ttx | devcamcar: that hasn't really been working well so far | 21:33 |
devcamcar | ttx: i wasn't aware we were even formally doing that | 21:33 |
devcamcar | maybe thats the problem? | 21:33 |
jk0 | there is just too much that particular core members may not be able to fully test | 21:33 |
ttx | vishy, soren: opinions ? | 21:34 |
soren | When we first started this, the reviewer of the day didn't have to actually do all the reviews. | 21:35 |
soren | They were supposed to do reviews, click the approve button, and/or poke more appropriate people to review. | 21:36 |
ttx | soren: I haven't seen that happening so far. | 21:36 |
ttx | (the poke more appropriate people to review part) | 21:36 |
soren | I think we still need review duty. Otherwise things will inevitable fall through the cracks between people's designated areas of expertise. | 21:36 |
Vek | I've had a merge prop languishing for a week since last review/update | 21:36 |
soren | ttx: Nor have I. I've not even done it myself. :) | 21:36 |
ttx | soren: the question is, should we double the number of reviews per day ? | 21:37 |
soren | ttx: follow-on question is: should this be permanent? | 21:37 |
ttx | i.e. review duty once or twice per month ? | 21:37 |
ttx | soren: I think it would. If the number of pending reviews goes sown, the duty becomes lighter | 21:38 |
ttx | down* | 21:38 |
soren | I'm fine with two review days a month. | 21:38 |
ttx | others ? | 21:38 |
ttx | vishy: ? | 21:38 |
bcwaldon | definitely agree, but we should also consider removing some from the rotation | 21:39 |
vishy | I'm ok with it although I think the problem is really scheduling | 21:39 |
bcwaldon | people that may not be as active in the project as they used to be | 21:39 |
soren | I can adjust the e-mail that gets sent out to be clearer that merely poking other, more appropriate people to do reviews is perfectly fine. | 21:39 |
ttx | bcwaldon: names ! names ! | 21:39 |
soren | vishy: How so? | 21:39 |
bcwaldon | I will not be that guy | 21:39 |
vishy | soren: most of the people working on the project have a lot of other responsibilities | 21:40 |
vishy | soren: our solution seems to be trade with someone else if there is a conflict... | 21:41 |
vishy | soren: although we don't necessarily have a good way of doing that... | 21:41 |
soren | vishy: No? | 21:41 |
vishy | soren: any way to get your automatic emailer to send out google calendar hits :) | 21:42 |
devcamcar | i never receive emails for review days | 21:42 |
soren | vishy: Per-person ical feed? | 21:42 |
vishy | I've had twice now where i've lost track of my day and suddenly gotten the email on a morning when i have 4 meetings :) | 21:42 |
* jaypipes already remove himself... | 21:43 | |
soren | devcamcar: devin.carlen@gmail.com is you, right? | 21:43 |
devcamcar | soren: yes | 21:43 |
devcamcar | it worked once | 21:43 |
devcamcar | but hasn't lately for some reason | 21:43 |
vishy | soren: in any case, this is a side issue | 21:43 |
vishy | soren: two times a month is fine | 21:43 |
ttx | devcamcar: then you worktime optimizer filter decided to spam it :) | 21:43 |
ttx | ok, time is running out, we need to go to the last topic | 21:44 |
ttx | soren: can you take the action of doubling the duty ? | 21:44 |
soren | ttx: Doing so right now. | 21:44 |
ttx | thx | 21:44 |
ttx | #topic Functional testing | 21:44 |
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ttx | so several people raised the issue of lack of progress on the functional testing side | 21:44 |
ttx | separate groups are involved in designing/implementing parallel efforts | 21:45 |
ttx | I was wondering how we could optimize that, reduce duplication of effort and get something usable asap :) | 21:45 |
westmaas | vek has a good branch out that a decision should be made on | 21:45 |
ttx | Looks like setting up a regular "functional testing" meeting to coordinate could help. | 21:45 |
Vek | um...get my merge prop in? :) | 21:45 |
ttx | mtaylor: ? | 21:45 |
mtaylor | ttx: I heard mention of perhaps setting up a team/group ... yes. what you just said | 21:45 |
Vek | https://code.launchpad.net/~klmitch/nova/os_int_tests/+merge/61474 | 21:45 |
ttx | mtaylor: may I action you on that ? | 21:46 |
mtaylor | ttx: yes. I will take care of that... and will send a mail to the list about it | 21:46 |
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ttx | #action mtaylor to set up a "functional testing" meeting to coordinate efforts | 21:46 |
bcwaldon | Vek: Have you seen the comments on that prop? | 21:46 |
Vek | bcwaldon: and replied, addressed, etc. | 21:46 |
mtaylor | ttx: also, I'm writing up some notes on what's going on so far to go out to the list - I'll tie that in with the group thing | 21:46 |
Vek | I'm not aware of any outstanding unaddressed comment. | 21:47 |
bcwaldon | Vek: check one more time for me. There are two comments at the bottom | 21:47 |
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ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:47 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion" | 21:47 | |
ttx | For those interested, two iCal feeds: | 21:47 |
primeministerp1 | yes | 21:47 |
ttx | iCal for OpenStack milestones and releases: | 21:47 |
ttx | #link http://tinyurl.com/openstack-releases | 21:47 |
ttx | iCal for OpenStack meetings: | 21:47 |
ttx | #link http://tinyurl.com/openstack-meetings | 21:48 |
ttx | ping me for any change | 21:48 |
Vek | bcwaldon: the one from dietz was in response to the one from blamar, and made at my request to look at it. | 21:48 |
bcwaldon | Vek: gotcha | 21:48 |
ttx | Vek: if you addressed the reviewers comments, they should finally approve it | 21:49 |
ttx | Vek: if they don't, hunt them down | 21:49 |
Vek | You'd think :) | 21:49 |
blamar | ttx: Or disapprove if it's not something that should go in? | 21:49 |
bcwaldon | seconded | 21:49 |
ttx | blamar: of course :) | 21:49 |
Vek | I haven't heard anything from termie since I addressed his concerns after the summit | 21:49 |
Vek | and I haven't heard anything from vishy since I addressed *his* concerns last week. | 21:50 |
Vek | *poke* *poke* | 21:50 |
vishy | ow | 21:50 |
bcwaldon | inappropriate behavior | 21:50 |
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ttx | primeministerp1: back on the Hyper-V question. What are you expecting exactly ? | 21:51 |
ttx | primeministerp1: I think the key is to get the setup integrated so that we can actually test trunk on Hyper-V. | 21:51 |
ttx | primeministerp1: not sure there is much more to it ? | 21:52 |
mtaylor | ttx: ++ ^^ | 21:52 |
ttx | <primeministerp1> however i would like to invite others to our cause | 21:52 |
mtaylor | so, the idea there is to make sure we have a story for deploying in general that we can apply to the machines we have now or to machines we get access to from primeministerp1 | 21:53 |
primeministerp1 | o yes | 21:53 |
ttx | I think you won't gather momentum until that first rthing is done | 21:53 |
mtaylor | or from anyone else | 21:53 |
primeministerp1 | i'm in | 21:53 |
primeministerp1 | i can prob offer up some linux(xen/kvm) nodes as well | 21:53 |
primeministerp1 | to assist in the total cause | 21:53 |
mtaylor | then the thing that's in parallel to that is ensuring we have dev resources also provided so that if a dev hits a snag on a branch going in due to hyperv - that there is somewhere they can go to look at it | 21:53 |
ttx | primeministerp1: so watch for mtaylor's announcement of that functional testing group | 21:54 |
primeministerp1 | so i have a full class c | 21:54 |
primeministerp1 | that's currently unused | 21:54 |
primeministerp1 | if we coordinate | 21:54 |
primeministerp1 | i can make this thing fully public | 21:54 |
ttx | primeministerp1: looks like you should be part of that group :) | 21:54 |
primeministerp1 | does that mean i get a new email addr? | 21:54 |
primeministerp1 | ;) | 21:54 |
mtaylor | ha. no email address for you! | 21:55 |
ttx | no, but you may get a bumper sticker | 21:55 |
primeministerp1 | :( | 21:55 |
primeministerp1 | fair enough | 21:55 |
primeministerp1 | I'll work on the email addr | 21:55 |
ttx | "if you can read this you should be doing QA instead" | 21:55 |
primeministerp1 | haha | 21:55 |
* Vek has too many email addresses as it is...hard to keep track of them all | 21:55 | |
primeministerp1 | i love shockwaves | 21:55 |
ttx | anything else before I close this meeting ? | 21:55 |
primeministerp1 | any new discussion of location for the upcoming summit | 21:56 |
ttx | primeministerp1: last I heard it would be east coast. | 21:56 |
jk0 | sounded like it was between Boston and NYC | 21:56 |
ttx | primeministerp1: potentially very close to you. | 21:57 |
primeministerp1 | i'm up for lobbying for boston | 21:57 |
jatsrt | ++ Boston | 21:57 |
* Vek would be too, actually... | 21:57 | |
jk0 | NYC | 21:57 |
westmaas | blacksburg, va | 21:57 |
primeministerp1 | haha | 21:57 |
bcwaldon | seconded | 21:57 |
ttx | ok, that's a sign this meeting came to an end. | 21:57 |
ttx | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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ttx | Thanks everyone ! | 21:58 |
ttx | I think we should do it east of east coast, in Europe. | 21:58 |
jk0 | Europe++, but not in Amsterdam anymore | 21:58 |
soren | Europe's East coast, perhaps? :) | 21:58 |
westmaas | jk0: haha, just get your citizenship | 21:59 |
jk0 | :) | 21:59 |
soren | Not sure if that would be around the Ural Mountains or Japan. | 21:59 |
dragondm | More like east spain, or perhaps somewhere on the baltic :> | 22:00 |
somik | I guess its netstack meeting time.. | 22:01 |
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soren | somik: Cancelled, wasn't it? | 22:01 |
soren | https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg02656.html | 22:01 |
somik | oh.. then i guess so.. | 22:02 |
jamesurquhart | rick and dan both travelling. Looks like no meeting today. | 22:02 |
SumitNaiksatam | same time tomorrow, then? | 22:02 |
somik | oh.. well.. | 22:02 |
somik | have we confirmed same time tomm.? | 22:03 |
bhall | rick proposed it on the mailing list | 22:03 |
bhall | salvatore said he can't make it, but it doesn't look like anyone confirmed | 22:03 |
somik | I may not be able to make it but if we have quorum thats cool | 22:03 |
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