Wednesday, 2011-06-01

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dendrobateshello everyone21:59
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ewanmellorI am Substitute Salvatore today.22:00
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dendrobatesewanmellor: have you moved yet?22:00
ewanmellorYep, two weeks ago.22:00
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dendrobatesis danwent here?22:01
dendrobatesLet's wait a couple of minutes for people to show up22:01
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openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  1 22:03:26 2011 UTC.  The chair is dendrobates. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.22:03
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dendrobatesno one updated the agenda, so we will just wing it this week22:03
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dendrobates#topic old business22:04
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dendrobatesdid the data extension discussion conclude last week?22:04
dendrobatesor do we still need to discuss it?22:04
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dendrobateshi dan22:05
dendrobates did the data extension discussion conclude last week?22:05
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dendrobatesying: you were part of that, did it conclude to your satisfaction?22:06
dendrobatesis anyone else here22:07
yingYes, I think our conclusion is that we will keep core simple and do PortProfile in extension now.22:07
dendrobatesying: is that acceptable for your needs22:07
dendrobateswas there anything else from that meeting that we need to come back to?22:08
yingI have a question, we will have a some code skeleton available for core api soon, right?22:08
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dendrobatesying: for quantum?22:08
danwenthi folks22:09
danwentam i online22:09
danwentI am wondering around the airport trying to get a decent signal22:09
danwentcan you see me?22:09
dendrobateswow dan22:09
yingdan: yes22:09
dendrobatesdanwent: all came through at once22:09
danwentyes, quantum poc code will be soon.22:09
dendrobatesying: I think the midokura/NTT work is the basis of that22:10
danwentsorry, probably my lossy connection :)22:10
ecarlinyou need infiniband wifi :-)22:10
danwentying: salvatore just got us API code, so we're going to be able to have an end-to-end system available by next week, i suspect22:10
ewanmellorSalvatore said that he's pushed code already.22:10
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danwentyes, salvatore's code looks good, so i think we're in good shape22:11
dendrobates#topic quantum updates22:11
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dendrobatesdanwent: any other updates22:11
yingdanwent: thanks22:11
danwentwe're going to throw together some more unit tests, the cli utility to drive the API22:11
danwentin a couple days things should be ready for an initial review.22:11
yingdanwent: is Salvatore's code available online?22:11
danwentying: yes, let me grab URL22:12
ewanmellordanwent: What's the plan for system testing (if any)?22:12
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danwentsomik, brad, are you there?  my connection is slow and pages are not loading.  can you send out salvatore's latest link?22:13
danwentying: otherwise, we can email it to you tonight.22:13
danwentI am propping my laptop up on a southwest ticket counter right now :)22:13
danwenttrying to get a decent signal22:13
yingdanwent: thanks22:13
dendrobatesany other quantum updates before we move on?22:13
dendrobates#topic  donabe updates22:14
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dendrobatesI am working on the Donabe draft API22:14
dendrobatesIf  I can get approval, I will send it out for review.22:15
dendrobatesIt is based on existing work at Cisco, so there is hurdle to jump22:15
dendrobatesspeaking of which...22:15
dendrobatesWe have made progress on opening the cisco floodgates22:15
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danwentsorry guys, dropped off signal again.  Anyone seeing this?22:16
danwentewan: let's chat later.  I can't keep a decent signal here.  short answer: we'll be doing some, but help is definitely appreciated.22:16
dendrobateswe should soon be clear for devs like ying to start pushing their work22:16
ewanmellor_danwent: OK22:16
ewanmellor_I just dropped off myself (coffee shop in SF)22:17
dendrobatesis anyone here to talk about melange?22:17
troytomani can provide some updates22:18
dendrobates#topic melange update22:18
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ewanmellor_ying: is the code you asked for.22:18
troytomanwe have some base functionality for setting up blocks/allocating IPs etc.22:18
yingewanmellor_: thanks22:18
troytomanit is currently in a branch on launchpad, i'll try to get an API draft and branch location out soon22:18
dendrobatestroytoman: awesome, thanks22:19
troytomanour next steps are to look at the network refactoring and muti-nic and how we start to integrate with Nova22:19
dendrobates#topic open discussion22:20
danwentdendrobates: looking forward to draft.22:20
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dendrobatesSo, I can setup any webex meetings that anyone wants.22:20
ryu_ishimotoI started a branch for refactoring:
dendrobatesI can will try to get a netstack account that I can share with thte group22:20
danwentIf others are ok with it, I would like to at least give webex a try.22:21
dendrobatesthat way anyone can call a webex meeting.22:21
jamesurquhartdendrobates: You should talk to Chris Hoff. He uses WebEx for CloudAudit calls.22:21
danwentryu: thanks.  how does this compare to the original branch?22:21
dendrobatesdanwent: I think it will be good for somethings, but it can be difficult for people for whom english is a 2nd or 3rd language22:21
danwent(original ntt/midokura branch)22:21
danwentdendrobates: true22:22
dendrobatesjamesurquhart: great, I'll ping beaker22:22
ryu_ishimotodanwent:  It's a lot less disruptive after discussing with Vish and Trey how we should approach the refactoring22:22
danwenton webex, I am in favor of at least giving it a try.22:22
ryu_ishimotostill need to discuss further with quantum/ipam/multi-nic to finalize the approach, however22:22
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danwentryu: ok, i will take a look.22:22
danwentewan :)22:23
ryu_ishimotodanwent: thanks22:23
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dendrobatesewanmellor: :)22:23
jamesurquhartewanmellor_: We can draft a custody agreement. Alternate weeks and two months each summer. ;)22:23
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danwentjames: :)22:24
dendrobatesbtw, I am in the valley this week if anyone wants to have a netstack meetup22:24
danwentdendrobates:  I am back tomorrow.  will send email.22:25
dendrobateswow we can have a meeting in record time, if no one can stay connected.22:25
SumitNaiksatamI would like to bring up the topic of semantics of "attach" in quantum for discussion22:25
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dendrobatesSumitNaiksatam: go ahead22:25
danwentsumit: yes, that is a great email thread.22:25
SumitNaiksatamwe had a discussion Dan and myself over emails22:25
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SumitNaiksatamDan: did you get a chance to read my last email wherein refered to the 802.1Qbh configuration?22:25
SumitNaiksatamhoping that others got a chance to think about this as well?22:26
danwentsumit: i have been meaning to respond via email, but have been in meetings the past two days with travel.22:26
danwentsumit: i have some follow-up questions for you.  but short answer is we definitely need a way for vntag/vepa to work.22:26
danwentsumit: I actually think it fits into the model in general, though I am not sure about some libvirt specifics.22:26
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danwentparticularly that "profile" attribute was not in the main libvirt docs.22:27
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danwentI can't load web pages right now, so I will have to provide more details later :)22:27
SumitNaiksatamthe point being that there is some information which needs to go into the libvirt "interface" configuration which, we think, should come from quantum22:27
danwentsumit: generally, i am curious how the profile attribute compares to the XML that I sent out (with the instanceid, etc.)22:28
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SumitNaiksatamin this case it happens to be the "port-profile"22:28
ewanmellorWhy is libvirt relevant, in a discussion about vntag?  The VMware nova backend uses the VIM API directly.22:28
SumitNaiksatamdan: profileid is a separate attribute22:28
SumitNaiksatamewan: we are not referring to ESX22:29
danwentsumit: sometimes libvirt can be a bit of a pain as it tries to perform both compute + network orchestration.  If we can't work around it, we'll have to figure out someway for nova to get that info from quantum, but I think that breaks the general model that quantum can change the network connectivity without nova's help.22:29
SumitNaiksatamdan: yes, thats precisely the reason I wanted to have this discussion22:29
ewanmellorSumitNaiksatam: Are you talking about using libvirt for network-plane operations?22:30
dendrobatesdanwent: SumitNaiksatam : maybe this is a good topic for a webex discussion22:30
danwentewan: I think sumit was talking about vntag/vepa on linux22:30
SumitNaiksatamewan: dan: yes22:30
danwentsumit: great.  I think we're on the same page about what needs to be possible.  We just need to work out the best way for it to happen so that we can have as clean of a separation of quantum + nova as possible.22:30
SumitNaiksatammean to clarify22:30
danwentdendrobates: :)22:30
SumitNaiksatamdendorobates: agree, this discussion is more involved22:31
SumitNaiksatamwe might want to carry it on over emails until the next meeting22:31
danwentsumit: sounds good, or over webex if that is faster.22:31
danwent(yet still open :) )22:31
danwentat the least though, we'll want to send the conclusion to the list to wrap up the thread.22:31
SumitNaiksatamas far as the libvirt "interface" configuration goes, there are pieces of information which nova would know, and there are others which quantum would22:32
SumitNaiksatamjust reiterating22:32
dendrobatesok, anything else?22:32
ewanmellorCan we make sure that Quantum operations aren't defined in terms of libvirt semantics?22:33
danwent+1 :)22:33
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danwentthanks for bearing with my crappy connectivity folks :)22:34
dendrobatesif anyone in the bay area wants to grab a beer, ping me.22:34
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