Monday, 2011-09-12

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annegentlehola!20:05
annegentleready to start the DocTeam meeting?20:05
deshantmI'm here20:05
annegentleok, checking on IM for others :)20:06
annegentleWell let's go ahead20:07
annegentle#startmeeting20:07
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 12 20:07:22 2011 UTC.  The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.20:07
annegentle#topic St4ck3rntl20:07
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annegentleer20:07
annegentle#topic Action items from the last meeting20:08
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deshantmwhat password is that i wonder... ;)20:08
annegentleLOL a temp one now!20:08
deshantm:)20:08
annegentlepervious action item, staging areas for wiki and openstack.org main site.20:08
annegentleI have a meeting set up for next week with a Rackspace UI team who would like to improve the wiki UI.20:08
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annegentleLOL20:09
annegentleSo, I hope that part of that work involves a staging area for the wiki. As well as CSS improvements.20:09
annegentleThe second action item is "wiki page to clarify version matrix that works with moving parts of OpenStack"20:09
annegentleI took that one but haven't done any action on it yet.20:09
* annegentle could use help on that one20:09
deshantmthat is a confusing one20:10
deshantmcould you start an etherpad to brainstorm in20:10
annegentleyes.20:10
annegentlethat's a good idea.20:10
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deshantmmaybe we could then get devs to contribute bits and pieces and then just make it work20:10
annegentlecould use some clarity - is the idea to say "Image service version, Identity service version, Dashboard version, etc?20:11
annegentleor is it about hypervisors and compute?20:11
annegentle#link http://etherpad.openstack.org/versionmatrix20:11
deshantmI forget for sure, but I think the thing you are referring to is about what versions of the compute API work with what version of the other openstack components20:12
deshantmI only have a weak recollection of the conversation20:12
annegentleI wonder if the integration testing is in a similar vein?20:12
deshantmit could be...20:13
annegentleI think that just recording the various version numbers that make up Diablo is a good start.20:13
deshantmIt is also hard for users to tell what versions of nova work with which version of XenAPI-based hypervisors well too20:14
annegentleOk, that's good too, feel free to add it to the Etherpad20:15
annegentleOk, we'll keep that action item going forward.20:15
annegentle#topic General documentation status - github move.20:16
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annegentle#info This past week I moved the API guides for Glance, Keystone, and Swift.20:16
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annegentleNew github projects are named identity-api, image-api, object-api, so https://github.com/openstack/identity-api, https://github.com/openstack/image-api, https://github.com/openstack/object-api20:17
annegentleI also have new Jenkins jobs for each book to be built from those repos. So far, so good.20:17
annegentleI hope to move Compute to compute-api this week.20:17
annegentleAs you may have seen on the mailing list, this move does bring up discussion on the governance of the API itself, not just the docs.20:18
annegentleFor now, the way we have Gerrit set up, I have the ability to vote +2 on a change in those repos.20:18
annegentleThat enables quick doc changes to go through, but for wider API changes, we can have core teams review those.20:18
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annegentleAny questions on the move or governance?20:19
deshantmok, that makes sense20:19
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annegentleGood, I think it's a good move and I like to be able to build each doc separately.20:20
annegentle#topic Doc status on RST docs20:20
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annegentleWe now have man pages for all of the swift services thanks to the Swift team.20:20
annegentleThat was a pile of work.20:20
annegentleThere's also the new keystone.openstack.org site.20:21
annegentleNot sure if I have any other news from RST-land.20:21
annegentle#topic Doc status on openstack-manuals20:21
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annegentleSo after the move of all the API docs to separate repos, I'll move openstack-manuals to git.20:22
annegentleThat should happen this week after the Compute API docs go to their new home.20:22
deshantmby the way, how is the openstack starter guide managed?20:23
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annegentleOh, good question. They created a Launchpad repo and the Starter Guide is build from there - it's  a separate Jenkins job pulled from http://launchpad.net/openstack-book.20:23
annegentleso any time they make updates, our Jenkins server rebuilds the book.20:23
deshantmthat's cool20:23
annegentleThe CSS OSS team is managing the comments that come through on that book as well.20:24
annegentleI was actually going to highlight them in open discussion - Looking at web stats - the Starter Guide has pages that have jumped into the top 10 in the past month, good going.20:24
toddmoreyIs that the same one linked from the community page, Anne?20:24
deshantmhttp://docs.openstack.org/20:24
annegentle#link http://docs.openstack.org/cactus/openstack-compute/starter/content/20:25
annegentleit's that one ^^20:25
deshantmthe welcome guide is a shorter doc20:25
toddmoreygotcha. thanks.20:25
annegentleLast week I sent out 10 tshirts to doc contributors, all of the CSS OSS team plus Razique, who re-wrote all the Volume Management section.20:25
toddmoreyI really like the content of openstack-starter-guide-cactus.pdf. It's been well received and I point people to it a lot.20:25
annegentleLove the contributions.20:25
annegentletoddmorey: good to know. The web stats show it too. Popular!20:26
annegentle#topic Doc Blitz Day20:26
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annegentleSo this is a new idea we're going to try. It's a Doc Blitz - intense review and test period for the documentation.20:26
annegentleIt'll be held online for one hour next Monday - collecting doc feedback and doc bugs through IRC in #openstack, through Twitter on #docblitz, and in doc comments on a special site I'll set up at docs.openstack.org/docblitz/20:27
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annegentle#info Doc Blitz next Monday, collecting doc feedback and doc bugs through IRC in irc://ryder.racklabs.com/#openstack, through Twitter on irc://ryder.racklabs.com/#docblitz, and in doc comments on the docs.openstack.org site20:28
annegentleI'm working on a blog post and note to the mailing list.20:28
deshantmsounds neat20:28
annegentleI think it'll be a fun experiment.20:28
toddmoreyso that's open to the wider community?20:28
annegentleI think I have thick enough skin to take all the doc bugs that'll come in20:28
annegentleYes, we'll run it from 12 noon - 1:00 CST (1:00-2:00 EST), then run a second one for the other half of the world from midnight EST for an hour.20:29
annegentleWe want all the reviewers we can get.20:29
annegentleI'll try to list priorities - based on web stats, I'd say people read the Compute Admin manual through and through.20:29
toddmoreyagreed!20:29
annegentleI was looking for pages with high exit rates, but what's funny is some of the pages with high exit rates are say, the RHEL install instructions where the page tells them to go download something.20:30
annegentleSo really I'll have to dig in deeper. I think focus areas should be install and networking for the Compute Admin guide.20:30
annegentleBut I'd love feedback from all over the docs sites - docs.openstack.org, nova.openstack.org, you name it.20:30
annegentle#info Doc Blitz times: 12 noon - 1:00 CST (1:00-2:00 EST), plus at midnight EST for an hour.20:31
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annegentle#topic Doc bugs20:31
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annegentleI full expect for the Doc Blitz to make this list longer than 12 -  https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.tag=documentation20:32
annegentlefull/fully20:32
annegentleRazique's work on the volume doc did close a bug last week, wahoo.20:32
annegentleit'd be great to knock out https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/794441 about XenAPI driver doc20:33
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 794441 in nova "Poor XenAPI driver documentation" [Wishlist,Confirmed]20:33
annegentle#topic Open Discussion20:33
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annegentleAnything else we can talk about?20:33
deshantmI've started some work on the xen documentation20:34
annegentleGreat!20:34
deshantm#link http://etherpad.openstack.org/openstack-xen20:34
deshantmIt is very much a work in progress20:35
annegentleNice. For XCP mostly, are you thinking?20:35
deshantmI have at least another source or two to incorporate20:35
deshantmI mention at the beginning about Xen in general20:36
deshantmbut then shift the focus to XenAPI-based hypervisors20:36
deshantmXCP/Project Kronos will be the focus20:36
annegentleOkay.20:36
deshantmI'll refer to public docs for Citrix XenServer20:36
deshantmbut a lot overlaps anyway20:36
annegentleyeah that's okay I think.20:37
deshantmany feedback is appreciated20:37
deshantmI'll solicit more when it is more ready20:37
annegentleok, cool.20:37
annegentleWell I think that's all we have for today, anything else?20:38
deshantmalso it would be worthwhile to mention that the docs team is planning to meet up at the summit20:38
annegentleoh good, yes. I need to finalize the Summit proposal.20:38
annegentle#action Anne to set up doc talk proposal for the Summit20:40
annegentleOk, if that's it we can adjourn.20:40
deshantmthat's all I have20:40
deshantmthanks20:40
annegentleThanks for joining in :)20:40
annegentle#endmeeting20:41
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