Tuesday, 2011-09-13

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carlpDid the CI meeting move to a different venue?19:03
jeblairno, i expect it to start shortly19:03
mtaylormorning everyone19:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 13 19:03:42 2011 UTC.  The chair is mtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.19:03
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mtaylor#topic actions from last meeting19:05
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mtaylora) I really need to add links to the wiki for the last couple of meetings ...19:05
bengrueThe bot doesn't auto-log?19:06
carlpIt should19:06
mtaylorIt does - it just doesn't auto-add links to the web page19:06
mtaylorin any case:19:06
mtaylor#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-09-06-19.01.html19:06
mtaylorthere's last time19:06
mtaylorI achieved none of my actions due to me being effectively useless all last week (I did get a bunch of stuff done on packaging this past weekend)19:07
mtaylorso they're still all important19:07
mtaylor#action  mtaylor Add how to contribute section to ci.openstack.org (mtaylor, 19:05:02)19:07
mtaylor#action mtaylor add packaging docs to ci.openstack.org19:07
mtaylor#action mtaylor infrastructure.openstack.org web config19:07
mtaylordprince: did anyone communicate your action from last week to you? (dontcha love it when we give them to you when you aren't here?)19:08
mtaylordprince: and/or - is openstack_vpc using openstack/openstack-chef now?19:08
jeblairno new commits to openstack/openstack-chef19:10
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mtaylorok. crickets19:14
mtaylor#topic open discussion19:14
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mtayloranything anybody wants to hit on?19:14
carlpmtaylor: I also need to get with you on setting up the hardware here at DreamHost for CI of NetStack19:15
mtaylorcarlp: YES19:15
mtaylor#action mtaylor will work with carlp on setting up netstack CI hardware19:15
carlpNot that I want to add more to your plate :)19:15
mtaylornope - it's important19:15
jeblairi added a bunch of docs about how we're doing bare-metal deployment on the rackspace test cluster: http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins.html#deployment-testing19:15
carlpIf you have time, tomorrow would be a good time for me.  Otherwise, I have time available all week and next week.19:16
carlpOoh, I'll go read that now19:16
jeblaira lot of what we're doing on that cluster is _very_ hackish, and we're going to take another pass at it and clean it up.  when we do that, everything about the config will be in a public repo.  that's not practical now, so those docs describe some scripts that aren't in a public repo yet.19:18
carlpNot a problem, I'm used to hackish :)19:19
jeblairbut it does describe a technique for splitting up base os installation, and launching openstack installs from pristine LVM snapshots of that installation that speeds things up considerably.19:19
bengrue<mtaylor> anything anybody wants to hit on?19:19
bengruePerfect setup for a mom joke.19:19
bengrueBut I was… too late.19:19
mtaylorwell. that was the most non-contentious meeting in the history of mankind. :)19:29
mtaylorthanks all!19:29
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Sep 13 19:29:29 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:29
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-09-13-19.03.txt19:29
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* vishy is here but will be silent for the first few minutes20:01
ttxwasn't the meeting cancelled ?20:02
jaypipesit was, AFAIK.20:03
mtaylorwas it?20:03
* jk0 didn't hear anything20:03
ttxwell, we are missing the chair20:03
ttxjk0: are you on the -poc ML ?20:03
jk0I thought so.. let me double check20:03
ttx(yet) ?20:03
jaypipesor maybe not... notmyname and I had some conversations on the etherpad about API stuff, but yeah, not sure if we decided the meeting was cancelled, sorry.20:03
ttxthere was a few emails from jbryce saying he would not make it20:04
jk0ah, I was added to the team but didn't subscribe to ML20:04
ttxjk0: you can read the archive for the last ones20:04
pvoI should check email more often...20:04
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ttxapparently the archives lag :/20:04
ttx"I won't be able to make the meeting tomorrow. We have a couple of outstanding questions around the API topic. One is if we feel there's a need for an official API coordinator and the second is setting up the first pass of basic guidelines. I propose we push until next week, maybe sending a request for feedback on these topics to the mailing list in the meantime. If anyone feels strongly that they want to meet this week, we can proceed with tomorro20:05
ttxw's meeting and someone else can lead it. Any preferences?"20:05
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ttxnobody opposed that, so it's probably cancelled.20:06
pvoworks for me20:06
pvoback to work!20:06
* ttx can definitely use one more hour today.20:06
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vishyah ok20:09
ttxvishy: be back in 50 min :P20:10
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notmynameyou just missed the cancelling20:21
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ttxnotmyname, jaypipes, vishy: around ?20:59
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jaypipesttx: ye21:00
ttxvishy is right around the corner, let's start21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 13 21:01:23 2011 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.21:01
ttxWelcome to our weekly team meeting... Today's agenda is at:21:01
ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/TeamMeeting21:01
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ttx#topic Actions from previous meeting21:02
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ttx* ttx to refurbish aws-api-validation and hyper-v-update as bugs and untarget them: DONE21:02
ttx* blamar to discuss openstack-common on the ML21:02
ttxThat was DONE, with a good reception as always -- now hopefully we'll get some resources working on that :)21:02
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ttx* annegentle to email the mailing list with new naming possibilities (for API doc)21:03
ttxThat was done as well AFAICT... Anne ?21:03
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ttxlet's parallelize that answer21:04
ttx#topic Essex is open, Diablo is in RC (release on Sep 22)21:04
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ttxJust a quick note to say that Essex development is open in trunk...21:04
ttx...and we continue to backport release-critical bugfixes to the milestone-proposed branches21:04
ttxNote that as we get closer to release date we need to be more careful about which bugfixes we accept to backport21:05
ttxFinal release on Sep 22.21:05
ttxQuestions on what we need to do those last week(s) ?21:05
jaypipesttx: nope. you want to discuss your thought from yesterday that in Essex, we should abandon the "RBP milestone" for tracking purposes?21:06
ttxjaypipes: not really -- we can discuss that when discussing the Essex cycle at the summit21:07
jaypipesttx: ok, no worries.21:07
ttx(basically, since -rbp is just a date, not a milestone, it's a bit awkward to target things against it)21:07
ttx#topic Swift status21:08
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ttxnotmyname: o/21:08
ttx1.4.3 was released on Monday...21:08
ttxnotmyname: How is design summit session planning going so far ?21:08
notmynameis packaging for 1.4.3 still in the works?21:08
ttxnotmyname: yes, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/84897121:09
notmynameI have entered several proposed sessions. yet to be reviewed21:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 848971 in openstack-ci "Swift fails to build on maverick/lucid in trunk / milestone-proposed / release PPAs" [High,New]21:09
ttxmtaylor is on it.21:09
ttxnotmyname: anything else ?21:10
notmynamenot unless anyone has questions21:10
ttxlooks like nobody has...21:11
ttx#topic Glance status21:11
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ttxjaypipes: hey21:11
jaypipesttx: yo.21:11
ttxLooking at: https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/2011.321:11
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ttxOn the feature side, I think we are done now -- should we consider changes-since-filter complete ?21:12
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jaypipesttx: yes, actually, there's quite a bit going on in Glance right now, but a lot of the attention has unfortunately been going into new Essex features and not bug fixing and stabilization/documentation that we really should be focused on. I take responsibility for not sending emails to focus people away from feature-writing.21:12
jaypipesttx: I will send such an email this afternoon.21:13
ttxso i can mark changes-filter-since implemented ?21:13
jaypipesttx: no, not yet.21:14
jaypipesttx: it is in review.21:14
ttxjaypipes: On the bugs side, you have 8 targeted bugs so far. Let's do a quick status round21:14
ttxto see if they are all fixable in time21:14
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/804429 (jaypipes)21:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 804429 in glance "Cannot stream http image" [Critical,Confirmed]21:14
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jaypipesttx: yes, that should still be fixed.21:15
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/809663 (mtaylor)21:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 809663 in glance "Glance milestone and integrated packages should automatically be uploaded to PyPI" [High,Confirmed]21:15
jaypipesttx: and can.21:15
jaypipesmtaylor: ?21:15
mtayloryeah. sorry - it keeps falling down on the todo list21:15
ttxsounds liek a CI bug more than a Glance bug ?21:15
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jaypipesttx: well yes :)21:16
ttx#action jaypipes to send a diablo-focus email for Glance devs today21:16
ttxjaypipes: shoudl I move it ?21:16
jaypipesttx: up to mtaylor. as long as it gets addresses, I don't care. it's now been pushed a couple milestone releases :(21:17
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/814981 (jaypipes)21:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 814981 in openstack-live "glance-api fails on image delivery: AttributeError: context" [Medium,Confirmed]21:17
jaypipesttx: meh, I've been going back and forth on whether that's really a bug.21:17
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ttxsounds like a good target for... un-RC-targeting21:18
jaypipesttx: it's really all about making sure that upgrades happen more smoothly when config/PasteDeply files change.21:18
Vekperhaps the description should be updated?21:18
jaypipesttx: so it might be able to be marked duplicate of bug 77931121:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 779311 in glance "Glance update for Ubuntu failing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77931121:18
jaypipesVek: ya, or marked a duplicate...21:18
ttxjaypipes: yes, mark it dupe21:19
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ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/817032 (jaypipes)21:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 817032 in glance "glance-control exits with 0 when glance-<server> script is not found" [Medium,Confirmed]21:19
jaypipesttx: moved.21:19
ttxThe remaining 4 are unassigned... If they all need to be fixed by release time, a good first step would be to get them all assigned...21:20
ttxIf they aren't release-critical, then they should be removed from the list...21:20
ttxremaining 4 are actually "remaining 2" now21:20
jaypipesttx: yes, the low priority ones I pushed to essex21:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 779311 in glance "Glance update for Ubuntu failing" [High,Confirmed]21:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 794582 in glance "glance sets image size to 0 for http images -> yields connection reset error on GET" [Medium,Confirmed]21:21
ttxany taker ?21:22
jaypipesthe update for Glance failing one is really kinda weird, and doesn't seem to be reproduceable.. :(21:22
* ttx will try to have a look at that one21:22
jaypipesthe image size to 0 thing is definitely an issue and should stay targeted to 2011.3.21:22
ttxjaypipes: can you find a victim^W assignee for it ?21:22
jaypipesttx: I will mention it in my email to the ML.21:23
ttxAny other Glance bug that /needs/ to be fixed before we can release Diablo ?21:23
ttxjaypipes: Other announcements/comments ?21:23
jaypipesttx: not that I know of, but you never know ;)21:23
jaypipesttx: no other comments/news21:23
ttxRaise your hand if you have a question on Glance.21:24
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ttx#topic Nova status21:24
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ttxvishy: o/21:24
ttxLooking at: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/2011.321:24
ttxAlso 8 bugs on the release-critical list:21:25
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/833552 (pvo)21:25
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 833552 in nova "No easy migration from old auth to keystone" [Critical,In progress]21:25
ttxAre we making progress here ?21:25
vishyhe's upgrading his branch from reviews21:25
vishyshould be back up soon21:25
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/847604 (rcb)21:25
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 847604 in nova "Instance rebooting is broken" [Critical,In progress]21:25
ttxjust approved, I see21:26
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/843704 (JordanRinke)21:26
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 843704 in nova "Hyper-V needs updates to catch up with Diablo" [High,In progress]21:26
ttxbranch is a bit behind apparently21:26
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/833331 (_0x44)21:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 833331 in nova "OSAPI v1.1 needs to document config-drive as an extension" [Medium,Confirmed]21:27
vishythe instance rebooting doesn't actually apply to diablo21:27
vishytaht can e retargetted21:28
ttxvishy: oh.21:28
* ttx drops target21:28
vishynot sure if jordan's will make it21:28
vishyno idea on _0x44 docs21:28
_0x44Sorry, I dropped the ball on that21:28
ttx_0x44: any chance you can submit something soon for that bug ?21:29
_0x44ttx: Can you define soon?21:29
ttxhmm... end of week ?21:30
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_0x44Yes, I should be able to do something by the end of the week.21:30
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/827807 (vishy)21:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 827807 in nova "in multi_host nova-network mode, nova-network doesn't reassociate reassociate the floating ips on reboot" [Medium,Triaged]21:31
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vishyso i haven't looked into that one yet21:31
vishybut i think it should be a simple fix21:31
ttxFeeling confident, I like that.21:31
ttxRemaining 3 are unassigned. We'll have to get them off the list if nobody commits to fixing them...21:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 834189 in nova "XenServer and KVM handle local storage differently" [High,Triaged]21:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 845866 in nova "exception tracebacks are lost when using raise" [Low,Triaged]21:32
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 838386 in nova "Test suite requires kombu and carrot to be installed" [Low,Triaged]21:32
ttxThat last on, soren and Daviey were supposed to discuss who takes it21:32
annegentle_0x44: I have an RST template for extensions doc that might help, I'll send it to you and glenc21:32
_0x44annegentle: That would be great, thanks. Do you have my email address?21:32
vishyso first one i don't see us getting to21:32
ttxvishy: yes, I guess we'll have to live with it21:33
ttxvishy: should I untarget ?21:33
vishyyes, we'll just have to add it to the release notes and discuss at the summit21:33
jk0yeah, that would be a very big change to go in at this point21:33
vishythe second is a pretty easy one21:33
annegentle_0x44: please dm it to me21:33
jk0lots of discussion needed still21:34
ttxanyone feels like taking bug 845866 ?21:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 845866 in nova "exception tracebacks are lost when using raise" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84586621:34
vishythe third i don't really think that is a huge deal anyway21:34
ttxAlso if you know a bug that we should really fix before releasing Diablo, ping me or vishy so that we add it to the list. Bugs with assignees preferred :)21:36
tr3bucheti've got a small small one, that i can handle, i'll talk to vishy about it21:36
vishyalso I have been trying to keep up with fixes that have been going in that need to be backported21:36
ttxvishy: Anything else ?21:36
VekI'm aware of a zones bug in the cost scheduler21:36
Vekit's not targeted, but it is fixed in base scheduler21:37
vishybut I may have missed some, so let me know21:37
Vekprobably not very important; just means not all the instances you ask for may get created21:37
vishytr3buchet: what ever happened to the bug about overriding the vland in the db21:38
tr3buchethappen to have the number? i'm drawing a blank21:38
ttxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/708278 ?21:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 708278 in nova "Prevent duplicated VLAN IDs " [Medium,Triaged]21:39
vishytr3buchet: I don't know if it had a bug or not.  It was using the flag to override the vlan device in the database21:40
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tr3buchetvishy: having vlan on a particular device which can change from host to host?21:41
vishytr3buchet: right.  We talked about changing the flag to override what was in the db21:42
ttxhmm, let's take that offline maybe -- so that we can get to the other topics21:42
tr3buchetsure sure21:42
vishyon non-homogenous hardware21:42
ttx#topic Incubated projects news21:42
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ttxdevcamcar, zsm, danwent: o/21:43
ttxNews ?21:43
ttxI've seen a few Keystone / Dashboard session proposals already, that's good !21:43
danwentgot the quantum manager integrated into nova21:43
danwentother than that, we're frozen for diablo, and are going to be focusing on docs + essex blueprints.21:44
ttxdanwent: someone suggested to have a "Netstack" track instead of the "Incubated" track -- since we'll only have Quantum in incubation that may make sense21:44
ttx(for the summit)21:44
ttxWould that work for you ?21:44
danwentI'm all for it.21:44
ttx#action ttx to rename "Incubation" track to "Netstack" in summit21:45
ttxI've seen a few Keystone / Dashboard session proposals already, that's good !21:45
ttxdevcamcar, danwent: anything else ?21:45
ttx#topic Documentation updates21:46
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ttxannegentle: floor is yours21:46
annegentleJust wanted to report a few things - the Starter Guide now has a handful of pages in the top ten most visits for the docs.openstack.org site.21:47
annegentleThis past week I moved the API guides for Glance, Keystone, and Swift. This week I plan to create compute-api as a github repo so that API guides live in github.21:47
annegentleThe Jenkins build jobs now point to github. After all the API guides are out of lp:openstack-manuals I'll move the remaining docs to github.21:48
annegentleI'm also listening in on the thread on the mailing list about the naming for that project, and trying to find a good way to ensure extensions get docs. Right now none of the extensions have docs that I can see.21:48
jaypipesannegentle: awesome work :)21:49
annegentleIf you've written an extension, please drop me a line via email so I can send you some templates for extension docs - RST if you like, or DocBook if you like. I'm open.21:49
annegentlejaypipes: whew, thanks! More to come!21:49
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ttxannegentle: wanna introduce the Monday event ?21:50
annegentleAlso, the Doc Blitz is Monday 9/19 - basically set aside an hour that day to poke the docs, log doc bugs, comment, offer feedback. We'll be listening intently. :) http://www.openstack.org/blog/2011/09/openstack-documentation-blitz/21:50
annegentlettx: :)21:50
jaypipesannegentle: excellent :)21:50
annegentlethere are two times you can join in the fun, to try to meet both sides of the globe (while I'm still awake)21:51
annegentleI'm still setting up the docs.openstack.org/docblitz site (it's an ugly landing page right now with broken links) but that's where I plan to collect comments on each page.21:51
annegentleAll of the blitzing will help improve the docs!21:51
ttxannegentle: sounds great! anything else ?21:52
annegentleThat'll do! Thanks.21:52
ttx#topic Open discussion21:52
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ttxThe waiting list for the Essex Design Summit is now closed21:52
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ttxIf you are a real dev, somehow lived under a rock for the last two weeks, and missed registration: you can contact me so that I try to get you whitelisted -- but do it today :)21:53
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ttxSession proposing is in full swing21:53
ttxLet me know if you have questions on that21:53
ttxor on anything else...21:53
ttxI'll take that as a no.21:55
ttxanything, anyone, before I close ?21:56
annegentlewow quiet at the close21:56
* Vek feels barely here anyway.21:56
carlpYou should have been at the CI meeting - it was dead there too21:56
ttxheh, let's cut it then21:56
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Sep 13 21:57:00 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:57
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ttxHave a nice $REST_OF_DAY everyone !21:57
medberryyou too ttx.21:57
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danwentjust in time ttx :)22:00
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danwenthello net stackers…. I am trying to disable my IRC auto-correct as we speak :)22:01
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dendrobateshey all22:02
danwentok, troy said he couldn't make it, so hopefully we have quorum22:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Sep 13 22:02:30 2011 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.22:02
danwentagenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings22:02
danwent#topic melange update22:03
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danwenttroy is out but send me an update.  I will copy-paste :)22:03
danwentThe Melange merge prop is now open for review for Essex. Most comments from the initial reviews have been fully addressed including moving a fair amount of code to openstack commons. We'll be pushing to get reviews done and move this forward.22:04
danwentWe also have a related pull request out for the Openstack Common changes.22:04
danwentFull integration will be dependent on some Nova refactoring to isolate IP address access to the network manager. We have a developer starting on that work and hope to have it done within the next two weeks.22:04
danwentTrey, did you  have anything to add on this front?22:04
danwentor anyone else have questions on melange?22:04
tr3buchetnope, we're trucking through it. hoping to get it done in the next coupel of weeks22:04
danwent#topic donabe update22:05
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dendrobatesI planned on having a donabe meeting this week, but it is talking longer to document the model, so we are going to push it to next week.22:05
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danwentapparently I have to restart my session to make the auto-correct fully disable… it translated donabe to donate again.22:05
dendrobatesalso, debo, has started some of the sample integration work22:05
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edgarmaganaHi everybody22:06
danwentgreat…. anything else?22:06
dendrobatesdebo_os: have you pushed yet?22:06
debo_osnot yet22:06
debo_ospush in a short while22:06
debo_ossorry will push in a short while22:07
dendrobatesthat's all22:07
danwentgreat, thanks22:07
danwent#topic quantum update22:07
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danwentthanks to everyone for the reviews prior to the diablo branch point22:08
danwentI think I have performed the correct launchpad gymnastics to switch from diablo to essex22:08
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danwentlp:quantum should now be pointing to essex branch22:08
danwentwe'll talk in a bit about the switch to github, as that complicates things a bit.22:08
danwentbut again, if you have anything that you think needs to target diablo, please speak up…. earlier is much better than later.22:09
danwentthe diablo release milestone is: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/2011.322:09
danwentright now we just have documentation issues targeted.  I for one am behind on getting my documentation outline out.22:09
danwentwill try to block out some time tomorrow for that.22:10
danwentsalv, any update on getting API docs in repo?22:10
salvwork in progress, estimated to finish this thursday22:10
salvdocument will look like any other openstack manual,22:11
danwentyou're living in docbook hell? :)22:11
salvI hate docbook22:11
* annegentle sobs22:11
danwentall doc systems are terrible though...22:11
salvBut I have to say the rackspace template makes life much easier22:11
annegentlepick your poison22:11
danwentOk, next up:  github / gerrit transition.22:12
danwentthis will be tricky… we essentially need to pick a point when we can get all work into trunk, then have them convert trunk over to github.22:12
jaypipesdanwent: can't we just use CVS?22:12
salvLast time we spoke about this I remember we proposed to start Essex lifecycle in github22:12
* jaypipes runs and hides22:12
danwentjaypipes :)22:12
bhall_jaypipes: you take that back22:12
jaypipesbhall_: :)22:13
danwentsalv: yes, diablo will stay completely in launchpad / bzr22:13
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sorenjaypipes: Or stick the source code in a Word document that we send back and forth over e-mail.22:13
danwentbut for work like your pylint fixes, we'll need to get that somewhere where it can be converted over.22:13
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jaypipesin all seriousness, switching from bzr/LP to git/Gerrit doesn't take all that long or require all that much effort besides reading http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritWorkflow.22:13
jaypipesit shouldn't be a huge deal :)22:13
salvjaypipes: agreed.22:14
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danwentjaypipes: is it only trunk that gets coverted over?22:14
jaypipessoren: yes, that's a much better method. I'll add that as a wishlist to the openstack-ci project ;)22:14
salvAnybody volunteering to read that document?22:14
jaypipesdanwent: yep! so definitely need to have a merge freeze22:14
danwentsoren: I would prefer a non-proprietary document format.22:14
jaypipesdanwent: yes, sorry, LibreOffice322:14
danwentsalv: already have22:14
bhall_salv: I've read it already :)22:14
danwentbrad, I think you had some proposals for converting over?22:15
bhall_I was thinking we could target friday morning for moving over22:15
salvThanks guys! It was in my todo list, but got buried under other hundreds of todos22:15
bhall_so everyone can get their environment setup on friday22:15
salvfriday 23rd?22:15
bhall_9/16 .. is that too close?22:16
danwentmaybe its best to get an inventory of what we need to get merged into trunk.22:16
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danwentsalv: start-up time frames…. everything gets compressed :)22:16
danwentan inventory let's us figure out what we need to review and merge.22:16
danwentthe packaging work is one big concern for me.22:16
bhall_danwent: yup, me too22:16
salvbhall: that depends i and how many bugs are we putting in diablo22:16
danwentas it seems like we're not super close to having that ready.22:16
jaypipesdanwent: please do proactively work with mtaylor on the packaging concerns.22:17
salvmeant to say "if and how many"22:17
bhall_ok.. 23rd works for me.  less about what the date is and more about picking one22:17
danwentjaypipes:  sorry, to be clear: we have a branch that rearranges the quantum code a bit to be more amenable to packaging.  that branch is not yet in trunk and I am wondering whether we should try and merge it before making the switch.22:17
bhall_that should give us enough time to inventory, etc22:17
salvbhall: if there isn't any bugs targeting 2011.3 fri 9/16 would be better, as this would give us more time to update our development environments22:18
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danwentI am fine with targeting 9/16… I don't see a flood of bugs coming in for diablo.22:19
bhall_is tyler around? maybe he can comment on packaging status22:19
danwentand we have until 9/22 to wrap up diablo bugs.22:19
danwenttyler has a conflict during this time.22:19
bhall_but shooting for 9/16 sounds good to me22:19
bhall_oh ok22:19
SumitNaiksatamwe are testing :-)22:20
danwentsumit: are you referring to the packaging, or quantum in general?22:20
SumitNaiksatamnot packaging22:20
SumitNaiksatamquantum and the cisco plugin related stuff22:20
danwent#action bhall  check with tyler about packaging and switch to github22:20
danwentsumit: gotcha22:21
somikSumitNaikasatam: hope you guys dont create a flurry of bugs then :)22:21
SumitNaiksatamhope not22:21
danwentI'm pretty sure quantum is bug free by this point :P22:21
SumitNaiksatamdefinitely not a flurry :-)22:21
danwentok, so we're good with a planned 9/16 switch date?22:21
salvdanwent, bhall: please do not forget that the API doc is going in trunk :)22:21
salvdon't you want to review it before merging?22:21
danwentwe will need that in both the diablo release and the essex....22:22
salvIt might be more convenient if we wait for that to be in trunk, and then switch.22:22
danwenteasiest thing would probably be for it to go into essex while code is still in lp, then just pull that commit into the diablo branch on lp22:23
salvThen we can probably say we will switch 1 nanosecond after merging the API doc branch22:23
danwentsalv: yeah, I agree.22:23
bhall_that sounds like a good plan22:23
danwentbut with reviewing that doc, is 9/16 feasible?22:23
danwentsalv, you said that doc would be available on thurs?22:24
bhall_depends on what salv means by thursday I guess22:24
salvMerge proposal expect on thursday, possibly PDT morning22:24
danwentthursday his time is early for us22:24
salvI need to complete the operation list22:24
danwentOk, let's still target 9/16 then.22:24
danwent#action #bhall, contact openstack infrastructure team about targeted 9/16 transition to github/gerrit.22:24
danwent#action #salv get API spec merge prop by thurs, if possible.22:25
danwentok, anything else about github/gerrit?22:25
bhall_don't think so .. once we switch I can send an email with instructions/etc22:26
danwentOk, wanted to bring up topic of design summit blueprints.22:26
danwentI know that a lot of blueprints are not finalized to the last minute, but I want to encourage folks that if they know they plan on submitting a blueprint in a netstack area to send a quick heads up to the list (even if the blueprint itself isn't ready).22:27
salvAgreed. I'm preparing an email on Quantum API v1.122:28
danwentthis will just help us avoid having 8 different blueprints for the same thing being created in complete isolation...22:28
carlpon that subject: I hope to have our CI machines ready with Monty by the summit.  Do we want to have a discussion about that with all the key parties in one room with a whiteboard?22:28
carlpshould I file a blueprint for that?22:28
danwentcarlp: that would be great.22:28
danwentI think you no longer technically have to file a blueprint22:28
danwentyou can just ask for a session, though if you want to write up anything ahead of time, a blueprint is the ideal place.22:29
carlpok, I can do that22:29
salvtalking about sessions, any news about the agenda for the summit? (I missed the previous meeting)22:29
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danwentas I heads up, I'll also be creating a blueprint that is around a framework for inserting higher-level services into quantum (not on any specific higher-level service, more just general guidelines for anyone doing that)22:30
danwentdesign summit agenda won't be set until very late… after all blueprints are in, which is end of sept (28th?) I think.22:30
danwent(someone correct me if i'm wrong)22:30
SumitNaiksatambtw, did anyone get a confirmation number for registering for the design summit?22:31
edgarmaganadanwent:  we (cisco) are also working on a BP for services22:31
danwentI think they plan on finalizing the agenda for the openstack conference (i.e. not developer focused) earlier.22:31
salvThat's understandable. Do we know at least if incubation projects can apply for their own sessions?22:31
edgarmaganadanwent: we can work together on the draft version22:31
danwentegdar: cool.  I suspect others are as well.  would be good to start sharing ideas on the ML.22:32
danwentedgar: definitely.22:32
danwentsalv: there will be a netstack tracker, which is what we should all use when submitting our session.22:32
edgarmaganadanwent: by Friday we expect to be ready to send the first bunch of ideas22:32
salvlet's not end up with 3 independet blueprints as we did for Cactus :)22:32
danwentedgar: you're ahead of me then :)22:32
danwentsalv: diablo?22:32
danwentsalv: that's exactly the goal.22:32
salvDiablo, right.22:33
danwentsalv: ah, seems so long ago now, huh :)22:33
danwentOk, any other thoughts on blueprints or the summit?22:33
salvI think higher-layer services and API improvements are the most important items22:33
edgarmaganaSumit: I think Ram got the list of the confirmed folks (we are in)  :-)22:33
danwent#agreed  send pointer to ML if you plan on working on a netstack bp that is generally applicable.22:34
salvthen I'm pretty sure a lot of other interesting ideas will came along!22:34
danwentsalv: agree, I think that will be the focus.22:34
danwentbut you never know what else might come up.22:34
danwentok, one last topic: pep822:34
danwentit seems like our hudson server is now running with a newer version of pep8 (0.6.1 i'm guessing) which is causing build errors (there are some violations in the cisco plugin that don't seem to show up with pep8 0.5.0)22:35
danwentor at least that is my best guess of what is going on.22:35
salvdanwent: confirmed.22:35
danwentSo I'm going to file an issue that enforces a single version of pep822:35
danwentwe'll start doing that for essex though22:36
danwentsound good?22:36
salvthey are very trivial, pep8 0.6.1 complains if there's a space or newline between the end of a seq/dict and the marker22:36
SumitNaiksatamkeep it at 0.5 for now :-)22:36
danwentsumit:  does your team have an issue with going to 0.6.1 in the future?22:36
salvI'm fine with any version, just let's make sure there is only one version22:36
danwentok, great.22:36
danwentyup :)22:37
SumitNaiksatamhaven't checked the 0.6 violations though22:37
danwentok, anything else quantum specific?22:37
danwent#topic open discussion22:37
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salvwill there be a space for demos at the summit?22:37
danwentsalv: definitely22:38
SumitNaiksatamgood question salv, we were also wondering22:38
dendrobatessalv: there hasn't been in the past22:38
dendrobatesbut you could include it in a session22:38
danwentsalv: we have a session for quantum where we plan to do an overview and a quick demo22:38
danwentI think there is one for donabe as well?22:38
salvdanwent: great. Let me know if I can help in any way with setting up the demo.22:38
SumitNaiksatamdanwent/dedrobates: but no booths?22:38
danwenthaha… definitely no booths22:39
danwentlet's hope openstack summits never become a trade show22:39
danwentwith people scanning your badge :)22:39
salvdanwent: I hate that thing22:39
danwentok, anything else?22:40
salvespecially when attractive girls approach you at the bar, just for scanning your badge :(22:40
salvnothing else from me.22:40
danwentk, great work finishing up the reviews.  If you find an issue that you think needs to be fixed for diablo, please file a bug against diablo and email the netstack list so it can get quick attention.22:40
danwentsalv :)22:40
danwentok, thanks folks.22:41
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dendrobatesdanwent: yes there sis a donabe session22:41
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somikhave a good one everybody!22:41
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danwentdendrobate: damn… just missed the log :)22:41
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