Tuesday, 2011-11-22

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zulalright so who is here for the nova-ec2-api team meeting?15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 22 15:00:08 2011 UTC.  The chair is zul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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zulooh canonicalers and ex-canonicalers15:00
zulso lets get this started.15:00
smoserzul is ex-canonical now ?15:00
zulthe agenda today is the following:15:00
zulsmoser: maybe15:00
zul1. Bug list15:00
zul2. Testing15:00
zul3. Progress15:01
Davieysmoser: not yet.15:01
zul#topic Bug list15:01
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zulso last week i tagged some more bugs that are ec2 specific15:01
zulwhich can be found at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ec215:01
zulright now there is only 26, which is not bad but im sure there is more bugs that havent been reported or i have missed a couple15:02
Davieymore than i hoped.15:02
Davieygood they are discovered.15:02
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zulthis doesnt include any bugs that we are going to be reporting soon due to the testing we are going to start doing for the ec2 api15:03
zulan interesting bug for me is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/88901315:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 889013 in nova "nova-api not starting the EC2 API in 2012.1-dev" [Undecided,New]15:03
zulwhoops not that one15:03
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 827569 in nova "ec2metadata service does not include 2011-01-01" [Wishlist,Confirmed]15:04
zulbasically it doesnt exist in the ec2 metadata list15:04
smoserso... on that one..15:05
zulhowever if we just add it to the list we would be kind of lying that it is supported we should see what has been added at that date and see if we can add it to nvoa15:05
smoserthe metadata service in openstack probably poorly mimics what is in ec215:05
smoserso just adding another entry at the top level is only going to break it more15:05
DavieyDoes it make sense just to add it, then report bugs for each feature it is missing?15:06
smoserit would make more sense to actually find what was in each api version and actually do it right.15:06
zulsmoser: i agree15:06
Davieywell yes, but slowly, slowly, catchy monkey15:06
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smoserwell, there are only like 8 entries there over the course of 5 years or something.15:06
Davieyone huge merge of each part is likely going to be less fun, than incremental ones of each part, right?15:06
zuland people have said that in the gerrit entry for that bug as well i just havent gotten a chance to do it yet15:06
smoserthat monkey in particular ismore of a sloth15:06
zulDaviey: if we do one huge merge im afaid it would be more difficult to review15:07
smoserDaviey, one merge of "add a string" just doesn't help anything, and doen'st make the "fix it right" merge any smaller15:07
smoserbut if you want to fix it, go for it.15:07
zulbut we are always going to be behind what amazon does15:07
Davieysoren: Do you have thoughts?15:07
sorenAs I think I argued on gerrit: Yes, it'd be lying if we said we supported 2011-01-01, but so is every other version listed there.15:07
sorenWe very likely don't support any of them correctly.15:08
zulright and thats where the testing and reporting bugs will come in15:08
soren...which is something we obviously should fix at some point, but nevertheless..15:08
DavieyYes, but claiming to - then resolving issues where we do not, sounds more viable IMO.15:08
sorenOne thing I do wonder, though:15:08
sorenWhy add it? Does anything depend on that particular version being listed?15:08
sorenPut differently:15:09
smoserwhy add another thing that is broken.15:09
sorenHow did we notice it was missing? I have a hard time believing zul was so bored one afternoon that he decided to look at that list and went "oh, dear me, 2011-01-01 is missing".15:09
Davieyit seems closer to providing an ec2 full experience IMO.15:09
smoseri noticed it was broken.15:09
sorenI'm fine adding it.15:09
sorenI just wonder why.15:10
Davieysmoser: how did you notice?15:10
smosernot because i went looking for it, but because some tool (ec2metadata or cloud-init, i dont remember which) was using it.15:10
smoserand it wasnt there.15:10
sorensmoser: That's good enough for me. LEt's add it.15:10
zulme thinks smoser was bored one day ;)15:10
Davieysmoser: did it go bang, or fall back?15:10
smoserits pointless.15:10
sorenI don't think there's that much boredom in the universe.15:10
smoseradding another thing that is wrong isn't fixing anything15:10
smoserbut who cares.15:10
smoseri give up.15:10
sorensmoser: If you want to help actually fix it, I'd he happy to support that as well.15:11
Davieysmoser: by adding it, we can validate what is missing, right?15:11
sorenSo far, the EC2 API implemetnation doesn't really strive to be correct (which is evident to anyone who takes a look).15:11
sorenIt strives to make stuff work.15:11
DavieyWell yes, in at least one area we match the spec better than aws does :)15:11
smoseri dont think it requires adding it to validate what is missing. clearly, adding a "symlink" is going to result in the same stuff under 2011-01-01 that is elsewhere. so you're not any closer to making it better.15:12
smoserbut i give up. do what you want.15:12
sorenIf something gets upset because 2011-01-01 is missing, adding it is completely in line with how the EC2 API implementation has been done so far.15:12
sorenThat is not so say that a more correct approach woulnd't be preferable, but this is how it is.15:12
smoseri just think its better to have a missing API than a broken one.15:12
smoserand you're adding another broken one.15:12
sorenThen disable the EC2 API altogether.15:12
sorenIt's not so spec.15:13
sorenSo, following the same logic, we're better off without it.15:13
sorens/so spec/to spec/15:13
smoserbut i give up. do what you want.15:13
sorenYou suck at giving up, you know that, right? :)15:13
zulok can we move i want to raise another issue  which is a bug15:14
sorenIt's your meeting.15:14
soren*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*15:14
zulwhen we were testing the ec2 api we noticed that when connecting the ec2 api metadata server the perfomance was slow15:14
zulim slow typer :P15:15
sorenHow slow?15:15
zulit seem to just hitting the api server sequentally and somehow batch the info15:15
sorenAnd using which DB backend?15:15
zuli dont have any metrics but if you look at the log file it was just constant hitting the api server15:15
sorenYEah, those requests will be sequential, iirc.15:16
zulcould we batch it or something15:16
DavieyThis is known issue, no?15:16
sorenAnd cloud-init issues a lot of requests, IIRC.15:16
Davieyeven with mysql.15:16
sorenDaviey: I don't think this will be as sequential with MySQL.15:16
Davieyvish suggested installing nova-api onto all compute nodes to help speed it up.15:17
sorenIn the short term, that's probably a good idea.15:17
smosercloud-init crawls the metadata service.15:17
zulstill when running on one server it seems slow but anyways15:17
smoserand "how slow"?15:17
smoserreally freaking slow15:17
smoserlike a new openstack, its 5 seconds to crawl it. each request takes > .3 seconds or something15:18
Davieyit is really pretty bad, but this is known.15:18
sorenA second per request?15:18
smoseron an openstack with ~ 2000 instances15:18
smosertotal, ever15:18
Davieyspawning 10 concurrent instances can wedge it.15:18
smoserthen its like 45 seconds to crawl it.15:18
DavieyBut this is fixed in Essex, already - right?15:18
sorenNo idea.15:18
smoserit is surely improved.15:18
sorenYou're the EC2 API team. :)15:18
smoserbut each one stillr esults in a round trip to the database i think.15:19
Davieyzul: didn't you cherry pick a patch as an SRU candidate for diablo?15:19
sorenYou should know. I only joined half an hour ago. I'm the newbie.15:19
zulDaviey: dont remember :)15:19
Davieysoren: yeah, you are only a nova core dev, what do you know? :)15:19
sorensmoser: Yes, each one will do a round trip to the db.15:19
sorenDaviey: My point exactly.15:19
zulheh ok...anyone wants to raising anything else on bug before we move to the next topic15:20
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zulif not we will move on the next topic15:21
zulok then15:21
zul#topic Testing15:21
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zulso last week i had a look at the aws testing scripts done by cloudscaling, i need to start using them so we can start reporting more bugs on launchpad about the ec2 api15:22
zulhold on15:22
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zulso my thought process would be:15:23
zul1. Run the tests15:23
zul2. Report the tests as bugs in launchpad15:23
zul3. Tag them as ec215:23
zul4. Send an overview to the openstack mailing list15:24
sorenIs this something that can be run automatically?15:24
zulsoren: yeah we are probably going to run it in the canonical test lab and mtaylor mentioned that he was interested in bringing it in the openstack-ci15:25
sorenThen we should get it integrated into the openstack-integration-tests suite.15:25
zulwe should15:25
Davieysoren: We'll add that to our integration jenkins testing15:25
sorenCool beans.15:26
zuldoes anyone know of any other tests we could use as well so we can get a "second opinon"?15:27
zulsoren: do you know of any15:27
zullike something you might have seen on your travels perhaps15:27
sorenOnly the nova smoketests.15:27
sorenThey just do a couple of simple things like start an instance, attach a volume, kill the instance..15:28
zulDaviey: comment/15:28
zulso im going to move on to the last topic15:28
zul#topic Progress/Openfloor15:28
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DavieyOur Automated/CI testing has made a great start!15:29
Davieyusing juju + orchestra15:29
zulso imho we are a being a bit slow out of the gate but i think we are finding our feet15:29
zuland with that the floor is open for comments questions discussions etc etc etc15:30
zulDaviey/smoser/soren/ttx anything to say or discuss or mention?15:30
smoseri think soren should fix the metadata service suckyness immediately15:31
* smoser ducks15:31
sorensmoser: It's my top priority. It's only surpassed by all the other stuff I'm working on.15:31
zuland get paid to work on15:31
DavieyI think we need to produce more stats on issues we suck at.15:31
zullike a suck-o-meter15:32
smosersoren, if you just want to test, how sucky the MD is,15:32
smosertime python -c 'import boto; boto.utils.get_instance_metadata()'15:32
zuland with that15:34
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zulthanks for coming btw15:35
Davieythanks zul15:36
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mtaylorzul, soren: yes16:55
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zns1Anyone here for the Keystone meeting?18:31
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znsHi heckj - sorry, I got the time wrong. We still had in our schedules for 13:00 CST, but the time should be 1800 UTC.18:37
znsWe'll get it right next week.18:37
znsMeanwhile, are there any questions I can answer for you while we're here?18:37
heckjnothing immediate - have been distracted this past week18:38
znsOK. I've put up new documentation and a review to novaclient as well to start supporting Keystone.18:38
heckjlink to review?18:39
znsnovaclient: https://review.openstack.org/#change,182518:40
znsdocs: https://review.openstack.org/#change,181218:40
znsSome of the docs are already up: http://keystone.openstack.org/middleware_architecture.html18:40
chmouelnice docs zns18:46
znsWe also added middleware tests to verify the middleware behaviour. Need to add that for the nova, glance, and swift middleware.18:47
znsThanks chmouel. Let us know if there are any other features you need documented (or better documented)18:47
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anotherjesseci meeting?19:02
carlpanotherjesse: it was a few hours ago19:04
anotherjessewow - I can't get this right ;(19:05
anotherjessehow was it?19:06
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carlpI missed it as well, but saw the close of meeting at the end of my chat logs19:06
anotherjesseyeah - reading logs now19:08
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mtayloranotherjesse: yeah. I'm screwed up in my brain19:21
mtayloranotherjesse: stupid time zones19:22
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znsAre we meeting?20:01
jbrycewhile people are filtering in does anyone have anything they want to put on the agenda today? currently, it's empty20:02
* mtaylor has nothing20:02
* mtaylor thinks it might me a light week this week, what with thanksgiving in the US and all20:03
znsnothing PPB-relevant20:03
* jk0 is a fan of light weeks20:04
jbryceyes. light weeks seem to be when you can get a lot of work done20:04
jbrycewe'll give it a couple of minutes and then call it off if no one has anything pressing20:05
notmynamemtaylor: I'm a fan of the idea of your vcsversion script20:06
notmynameand if ewanmellor shows up, I need to talk to him20:06
notmynamebut I got nothing for the PPB20:06
ttxvcsversion script ?20:07
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mtaylorttx: some code I was hacking on on the plane to better encode what we do externally in the tarball jobs into projects directly ... not quite ready for prime time yet - but I was showing it to notmyname in brazil20:08
notmynamettx: ya, it's something he and I were talking about last week that fixes most of my issues with versioning. it moves the versioning to the vcs rather than inthe code20:08
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notmynamewhich I like because I think a version is metadata about the code and not code itselft20:09
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ttxmtaylor, notmyname: fwiw I'd like to get rid of the Final = True thing, if possible20:09
jbryceif no one has anything then i propose we call off ppb for the week20:09
mtaylorttx: similar here - I'll send you a link and a write up of a little bit of where it's going20:10
ttxmtaylor, notmyname: i.e. not requiring a special tarball regeneration at release time (you should do nothing special at release time)20:10
mtaylorttx: ++20:10
mtaylorttx: I believe we have the same goal here20:10
ttxThat Final thing is mostly not used anymore20:11
ttxespecially since we lost meaningful intermediary version strings when we switched to git20:11
znsjbryce: I second.20:11
johnpurjbryce: ok20:11
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jbryceok. thanks guys. talk to you later20:12
notmynamettx: ya, I think mtaylor's stuff is getting there to solve all that20:12
notmynamemtaylor: so reply to my email review about it :-)20:12
ttxmtaylor: that said, I've more urgent things for your plate, if you feel unused. Like reviving translations.20:12
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mtaylorttx: that's on there :)20:13
mtaylornotmyname: and I will...20:14
DavieyIs the meeting currently running, or is this a chat?20:14
Davieyok, cool. Worried i missed something :)20:15
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Davieyhey oubiwann o/20:18
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oubiwannDaviey: I laughed pretty hard with your last comment to that devstack thread on G+ ;-)20:18
sorenoubiwann: link?20:19
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Davieyoubiwann: "oops" :)20:20
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oubiwannsoren: I suck at G+, so I'll just add another comment and mention you on it, and you should get the link...20:21
oubiwannfeature abuse: it's the norm20:22
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sorenoubiwann: ta :)20:27
oubiwannsoren:  ;-)20:27
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mtayloroubiwann, soren: I can read?20:34
sorenI don't know, can you?20:35
oubiwannmtaylor: what's your g+ id?20:35
koolhead17has meeting allready started?20:35
oubiwannmtaylor: nm,I found it20:35
ttxkoolhead17: no20:36
koolhead17thanks ttx20:37
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ttxstarting in 23 min20:37
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ttxzns, jaypipes, vishy, devcamcar: around ?21:00
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ttxjsavak: oh, you replace zns, right21:01
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jsavakttx: nope - just here to help21:01
jsavakttx: i think dolph + me would replace him for this one21:01
jsavak(big shoes)21:01
ttxjaypipes, devcamcar: ?21:02
ttxok, let's start and hopefully they will join us21:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 22 21:03:15 2011 UTC.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:03
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ttxWelcome everyone to our weekly meeting...21:03
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ttxToday's agenda is at: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/TeamMeeting21:03
ttx#topic Keystone status21:03
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ttxdolphm, jsavak: o/21:03
ttxLooking at:21:04
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/essex-221:04
ttxdolphm, jsavak: Still on track ?21:04
dolphmi believe so21:04
ttxrbac-keystone was pushed back to essex-3 ?21:04
dolphmdoing some testing with devstack to wrap it up21:05
jsavakttx: yes - rbac was pushed in favor of more stability work21:05
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ttxHow disruptive is rbac ?21:05
jsavakttx: rbac must be delivered in e-3 as keystone freezes then for essex (all but bug fixes)21:05
ttxWas a bit concerned as it sounded very disruptive and landing it early was probably a good plan :)21:05
jsavakttx: yup. That's why we need it delivered soon. There is middleware rbac implemented we are waiting on feedback for21:06
ttxok, early in essex-3 is probably good too.21:06
ttxDo you know who in "HP Cloud Engineering" is working on those Keystone essex-2 blueprints ?21:07
jsavakJason Raoult & Liem21:07
jsavaknot sure their handles21:07
ttxnot sure they are on irc21:07
ttxWould be good to get them to refresh status on their blueprint, if needed21:08
dolphmthey've mentioned their corporate firewall in the past, regarding IRC :)21:08
jsavaki'll send them a note21:08
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ttxLooking at the essex roadmap at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/essex21:08
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ttxDo you expect other features in the essex cycle or is it almost a complete plan ?21:08
Ravikumar_hpttx: I will also send a note to Jason21:08
ttxRavikumar_hp: thanks!21:09
jsavakravi, i'll leave it to you. ;)21:09
koolhead17corporate firewall  :(21:09
jsavakttx: more bug fixes- but no feature adds are expected.21:09
ttxSecond topic is the tagging of stable/diablo to 2011.3.121:10
ttxThat was delayed due to missing files in the resulting tarball, which are fixed now21:10
ttxAny last-minute objection before the tag and tarball are done ?21:10
jsavaktag + tar ~= tar + feather?21:10
DavieyIf it is confirmed to work with dashboard, then +1 here.21:10
Daviey(and nova ofc.)21:10
ttxdevcamcar: I guess you're still ok with it ^21:11
Vekjsavak: that would make it a featherball, though, rather than a tarball...21:11
ttxOK, will do that tomorrow then.21:11
jsavakvek: ah21:11
devcamcarttx: we have a bug to fix on the horizon side21:11
dolphmttx: thanks21:11
devcamcarlet me find it21:11
Vekthough I suppose it'd be less sticky...21:12
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Davieydevcamcar: Would you mind sending me the bug number please?21:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 891442 in horizon "renaming of api_key causes several unhandled exceptions" [Critical,Confirmed]21:12
devcamcarthat's the only issue i'm aware of21:12
ttxdevcamcar: but that's a fix on your side, right21:12
ttxjsavak, dolphm: Anything else ?21:12
devcamcari do wish you guys would stop renaming things though :)21:13
jsavakttx: nothing from me21:13
ttxdevcamcar: amen21:13
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ttxQuestions for Keystone ?21:13
jsavakdevcamcar: yup. Me too.21:13
VekI have a note...21:13
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ttxVek: shoot21:13
dolphmdevcamcar: is that bug due to changes in keystone or novaclient?21:14
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Vekit looks like quantum copied auth_token.py entirely when they created their keystone plugin, which means that it didn't get my fix to reduce the number of calls to keystone.21:14
devcamcardolphm: i'm actually not sure21:14
devcamcargabriel's notes: "There is a conflation of password and api_key in novaclient which is inappropriate. If you take a look at python-keystoneclient, I actually separated the two because there are cases (at least in keystone) where they need to be handled differently."21:14
dolphmVek: ah, yeah... that's an issue i'd like to address21:15
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devcamcarso long story short, i'm not sure where the problem is exactly. there seems to be a lot of confusion around password vs api key21:15
Vekindeed :)21:15
devcamcarif you guys have comments you can add to that bug report, it would be appreciated21:16
ttx#action Keystone devs to help with bug/89144221:16
dolphmdevcamcar: can i ping you after this?21:16
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ttxok, let's move to Swift now21:17
devcamcardolphm: for sure21:17
ttx#topic Swift status21:17
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ttxnotmyname: o/21:17
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.4.421:17
notmynameI have news21:17
ttxeverybody likes news.21:17
notmynameswift 1.4.4 is delayed. it will be released next tuesday instead of today21:17
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ttxin order to include final fix for bug 887288, right21:18
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 887288 in swift "proxy memory usage grows" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88728821:18
notmynamewe are (literally right now) reviewing a patch that finally fixes the memory leak issue we saw21:18
notmynamerather than doing 1.4.4 today and 1.4.5 next week, we figured it would be better to include it in 1.4.4 and delay by one week21:18
sorenWhere do you currently think the leak is?21:18
sorenIn Swift itself?21:18
sorenIs it our own fault? Or Python's? Or something else's?21:19
notmynamesoren: there were a few issue that were found, both in swift and eventlet21:19
notmynamesoren: but the biggest offender is https://review.openstack.org/#change,180121:19
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notmynamein swift21:19
notmynameit has to do with python garbage collection21:19
notmynameyay! it was just merged21:20
notmynamejust got the email from jenkins21:20
notmynamethis issue is one involving sockets keeping memory when a client disconnects21:20
notmyname(disconnects early)21:20
ttxnotmyname: if it's successful, please backport to milestone-proposed21:20
notmynamettx: ya, I need to aks you how to do that. later this afternoon or tomorrow good for you?21:21
jaypipesnotmyname: http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritJenkinsGithub#Submit_Changes_in_master_to_milestone-proposed21:21
ttxnotmyname: see21:22
ttxjay was fatser21:22
ttxor faster21:22
jaypipesI'm fatter as well21:22
ttxI blame the late hour.21:22
notmynameI'll try to get that soon21:22
ttxnotmyname: Anything else ?21:22
ttxQuestions on Swift ?21:22
ttx#topic Glance status21:23
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ttxjaypipes: yo21:23
jaypipesttx: oy21:23
* ttx looks at https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/essex-2 with anxiety21:23
ttx.. you made it !21:23
jaypipesttx: nothing really to report... I retargeted blueprints to E321:23
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jaypipesttx: working on fixing bugs... if anyone in glance-core has some free time, there's a bunch of reviews needed21:24
ttxjaypipes: looks good and on track to me21:24
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jaypipesalso, I'm 50% done with the next draft of the 2.0 API proposal... incorporating a bunch of feedback from HP and Jorge.21:24
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ttxjaypipes: now looking at the general essex plan at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/essex21:24
ttxTwo blueprints are in plan but without a milestone set:21:24
ttxShould we unset the series goal for them, until someone commits to do them ?21:25
jaypipesttx: I'll handle that. thanks for the heads up.21:25
ttxjaypipes: Anything else ?21:25
jaypipesttx: I'm thinking I need to create a blueprint for this dang 2.0 API proposal :) and make the other crap dependent on it!21:25
ttxyes that could help in showing the relationship.21:26
Vekjaypipes: isn't there already one on that page ttx pasted?21:26
ttxhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/api-2 ?21:26
jaypipesVek: that's the implementation of the proposal.21:26
ttxQuestions on Glance ?21:26
ttx#topic Nova status21:27
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ttxvishy: yo21:27
ttx#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/essex-221:27
jaypipesif anyone that works on devstack is here, would appreciate a look into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/89369221:27
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 893692 in devstack "stack.sh fails with ImportError in glance add" [Undecided,New]21:27
vishyso I'm collecing status updates for all of the blueprints21:28
ttxvishy: looks globally on track to me21:28
vishylooks like we're pretty good for the higher priority ones21:28
ttxvishy: do you agree to have quantum-nat-parity in the essex plan ?21:28
ttxIf yes, what priority ?21:28
vishytr3buchet: are you here?21:29
danwentttx: this is actually a very small feature21:29
vishythat is fine for low21:29
ttxI tried to ping bhall for updated status21:29
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danwentjust letting QuantumManager talk to existing linux_net.py L3 + NAT code21:29
tr3buchetvishy: yes21:29
ttxis it "not started" ?21:29
vishyi just approved it21:29
bhallttx: sorry, just saw your message21:29
vishyw/ low21:29
ttxbhall: started ? not started ?21:30
bhallstarting soon21:30
* ttx sets "Not started" :)21:30
vishyso i sent an email encouraging subteam leads to start targeting e-321:30
vishyhopefully we will see that one a little bit clearer21:30
vishyI'm trying to focus on major features changes in by e-321:30
vishyso we can stabilize e-421:31
tr3buchetttx: isn't that the one we discussed, and me not being able to set status?21:31
ttxtr3buchet: yes21:31
vishywe stil have 2 essential blueprints not targetted21:31
vishythose have to get in by e-321:31
ttxright, I wanted to askj you about them21:31
vishyI would love a volunteer to do this one: separate-nova-volumeapi21:32
vishyactually i need a voulunteer for both21:32
ttx#help volunteer needed for separate-nova-volumeapi and disk-configuration-parity21:32
vishypvo: is there anyone on your team that can take disk-configuration-parity?21:32
westmaaswhat time frame, vish?21:33
ttxe3. January 26.21:33
vishywestmaas: need it by e321:33
vishy(and the sooner the better of course)21:33
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westmaassorry, I don't know that we can commit today, but pvo and I will talk next week and see if we think we can work on it, will report back next week if no one else has taken it21:34
westmaasI know he expressed some interest21:34
vishywestmaas: do you know if there are any more proposals coming for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/internal-uuids ?21:34
westmaasyes, lots21:34
tr3buchetvishy: i can follow up with the guys here about the disk-configuration-parity blueprint, a lot of us are out this week21:34
vishywestmaas: will they all make it by e-2?21:35
* ttx watches the titan teal explode the column width at http://wiki.openstack.org/releasestatus/21:35
vishytr3buchet, westmaas: thanks.  It isn't a lot of changes21:35
westmaasvishy: yes should be in by e221:35
westmaashoping next week21:35
ttxvishy: Anything else ?21:36
westmaasttx: haha sorry :)21:36
vishyi think that is it for now21:36
ttxNova subteam leads: anything you want to mention ?21:36
vishylooks like most people are out this week21:36
vishyoh one more thing21:36
vishyI still have no one taking on the operational support team21:36
vishyi think admin functionality is going to suffer if no one takes it21:37
ttxvishy: did you follow up on adding the most active subteam leads to "nova-drivers" ?21:37
vishyttx: I haven't added them to drivers yet no21:37
vishyI will add them21:37
vishyat least tr3buchet sleepsonthefloor and bcwaldon21:38
vishysince they are doing a lot of blueprint management21:38
ttxvishy: I would raise a ML thread about "is operational support important in Nova", wait for a few people to take the bait and then close the net.21:38
ttxQuestions on Nova ?21:39
tr3buchetnot unless maybe sorens testing thread21:39
tr3buchetshould be discussed a bit21:39
devcamcargood idea21:39
sorenAh. /me defers his trip to the bath room21:39
devcamcarthere was some discussion around fake db vs sqlalchemy/mox21:39
devcamcari think fake db makes a lot of sense21:40
devcamcarif you're talking about unit tests21:40
devcamcaryou want to test the actual db implementations separately (integration tests)21:40
devcamcarotherwise you run tests against one db driver (sqlalchemy is all we have today, but tomorrow?) and get a false sense of security21:40
vishysoren's plan is +1 from me21:40
tr3bucheti guess my only worry is keeping the fakes true to the originals21:40
sorenOk, once more:21:40
* ttx gives you 5 minutes and then you'll continue on #openstack-dev :)21:40
devcamcarunit tests with fake db, integration tests for each db implementation seems reasonable21:40
tr3buchetbut otherwise i'm for it21:40
sorenI'll provide a test suite that you can run against the real and fake db drivers.21:41
sorenWhy is that not enough reassurance that the fake will be true to the real drivers?21:41
tr3buchetoops, i guess i missed that21:41
sorenOk, good :)21:41
tr3buchetyeah that solves that then21:42
devcamcarwith 3 minutes to spare!!21:42
ttxeveryone seems to agree. Where is conflict ?21:42
tr3buchethigh fives all around21:42
* ttx is disappointed.21:42
sorenI'd be scared shitless without a test suite for it. :)21:42
devcamcari just saw a f'ing unicorn dude21:42
tr3buchetyeah good, cause that's how i felt21:42
sorendevcamcar: shoot it!21:42
ttxthat's because Sandy is not around.21:42
devcamcargood eats tonight21:42
tr3buchetyeah true21:42
ttxok then.21:42
ttx#topic Horizon status21:42
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ttx#link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/essex-221:42
ttxdevcamcar: Not so many things completed yet, still feeling confident ?21:42
devcamcarall bugs / blueprints assigned21:43
devcamcarttx: yes21:43
devcamcarmost of the bugs are quick fixes21:43
devcamcarwe are actually making some great progress21:43
devcamcarwe rebased the css/javascript ui bits around bootstrap, which was a big piece of plumbing21:43
devcamcarlots to be done still on visual design, but structurally we are looking good21:44
devcamcarwork in progress screenshot21:44
devcamcarcolor schemes are not final, and table refactors not done, but this is a working version that uses the bootstrap framework21:44
devcamcarso actually things are going quite well21:44
ttxLooking at the general essex plan at: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/essex21:45
ttxLooks good to me -- is it a near-complete list ?21:45
devcamcarttx: yes21:45
ttxdevcamcar: also, do you confirm that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/dashboard-plugin-support is superseded and should be removed from the list ?21:45
devcamcarttx: yes, superseded by a  superior implementation21:46
* ttx removes21:46
devcamcarthere's still a few blueprints trickling in21:46
ttxdevcamcar: Anything else ?21:46
devcamcarsuch as migrating to django 1.4 in essex-421:46
devcamcarnow that we have some confidence around the release date21:46
devcamcarbut nothing major21:46
devcamcarthat's it!21:47
ttxdevcamcar: adding more as they come up is ok, but having a 80% complete plan by now is also good21:47
devcamcarttx: definitely at 80% at least21:47
ttxQuestions for Horizon ?21:47
koolhead17hi devcamcar21:47
devcamcarkoolhead17: howdy!21:47
ttxkoolhead17: got a question ?21:47
koolhead17devcamcar: am awesome21:47
koolhead17ttx: yes21:47
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koolhead17i wanted to know if the dependency of dash with quantum and glance going to continue?21:48
koolhead17as in the dash package21:48
devcamcarkoolhead17: hopefully not, we are still evaluating the best way to tackle that21:48
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devcamcarso i'd say we are in discussion phase of how best to accomplish that21:49
devcamcarit's certainly our goal21:49
devcamcarsorry, bit of a non-aswer :)21:49
koolhead17devcamcar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/88838521:49
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 888385 in horizon "Failure when installing Dashboard - python tools/install_venv.py" [High,Confirmed]21:49
koolhead17all because quantum here :(21:49
koolhead17devcamcar: thanks :D21:50
Davieydevcamcar: I think the real question is, will quantum be a hard depends of horizon?21:50
devcamcarkoolhead17: your idea is probably the only practical solution though21:50
mtaylorkoolhead17, devcamcar: I was going to look at that bug above and for ways to deal with it some21:50
mtaylorbut I haven't gotten to it yet21:50
ttxtalking about quantum...21:50
devcamcarDaviey: no, we'll figure out a way.  i'm not positive we'll solve this problem in essex-2 though21:51
ttx#topic Incubated projects and other Team reports21:51
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koolhead17devcamcar: i want to run dash on my small 512 RAM box, i dont want to install quantum/glance on it :D21:51
Davieydevcamcar: can it just be removed until it's redady to..21:51
Davieyokay, nevermind :)21:51
ttxdanwent, troytoman: o/21:51
devcamcarDaviey, koolheady17: i will discuss with you outside meeting soon21:51
danwentquantum dev is back up and humming at full speed for essex-2: https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/essex-221:52
koolhead17devcamcar: awesome!! :D21:52
mtaylordevcamcar, koolhead17: one of the other issues that will help there is getting python-glanceclient and python-quantumclient split out so that you can just install client api libraries21:52
danwentrelease is probably too full given the time left, so we'll be working to make sure dev work is feasible and moving to e-3 if not21:52
ttxdanwent: yep, that's a large plate already21:52
koolhead17mtaylor: +121:53
danwentmtaylor: we've already done some of the work to make it possible to install quantum client separately21:53
danwenthappy to chat more about it offline21:53
ttxAny other team lead with a status report ?21:53
danwentttx: other than that, we'll be sycing with the horizon folks about some new features we'd like to integrate21:53
mtaylordanwent: ++21:53
danwentthat's alls21:53
ttxdanwent: sounds good21:54
ttx#topic Open discussion21:55
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ttxIn other news, the "OpenStack" devroom at FOSDEM had been merged with other projects in a large, 2-day "Open source virtualization and cloud" devroom21:55
ttxThe CFP should be sent... tomorrow.21:55
ttxmtaylor: as far as CI goes, I'd like us to fix translations and set up the client splits for E2, does that match your schedule ?21:56
mtaylorttx: I will make it match my schedule21:56
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ttxAnything else, anyone ?21:56
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ttxlooks like we are 3 minutes short21:57
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Nov 22 21:57:59 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:58
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danwentearly ttx :)21:58
ttxprobably the fault of that aborted conflict.21:58
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danwenthello netstack22:00
danwenthappy almost turkey day22:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov 22 22:01:07 2011 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.22:01
danwent#link Agenda: http://wiki.openstack.org/Network/Meetings22:01
danwentis anybody here?22:01
danwentsalv is out today22:01
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danwentwell, its going to be a short meeting anyway22:02
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danwentis troy around to talk about melange?22:02
tr3buchettroy is out22:02
tr3buchetunless he's on just for this22:02
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danwenttr3buchet: you able to provide a melange update?22:03
danwentor would that be someone else?22:03
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tr3bucheti'm not supre current on it22:04
danwentok, we'll just move to quantum22:04
tr3buchetgood plan22:04
danwent#topic quantum status22:04
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danwentthis shoudl be quick:22:04
danwent#info essex-2 plan22:04
danwentsalv is out, but he wanted me to provide an update on his API work22:04
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danwent#info from salv: I am confident to be able to propose Operational Status by Nov 30th and Filters by Dec 7th.22:05
danwentI suspec that both changes will require some enhancements to the plugins to work correctly22:05
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danwentso we're trying to figure out if we will have time to make the corresponding plugin changes in essex-2 as well, or whether we should wait until essex-3, when we can submit both the API and the plugin implementations together (would be silly to release new API code without plugin implementations)22:06
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danwentI also talked with some folks from the cisco team, and they are planning on doing some horizon work in the essex-2, essex-3 timeframe, which is great.22:07
danwent#todo  #danwent update launchpad to reflect horizon plans22:07
danwentCarlp: status update on jenkins environment?22:08
danwentI'm hoping to put together some very simple integration tests just so we can get things up and running.22:08
danwentwould be great to have a jenkins environment that was constantly pulling the latest nova + quantum22:08
carlpWe can do that22:09
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danwentI can provide a simple initial set of tests.22:09
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danwentOk, just so people know, essex-2 is Dec. 15th, which isn't all that far away considering thanksgiving22:09
carlpBasically, jenkins just runs a series of scripts  So if we can script downloading and running anything, jenkins can do it.22:10
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danwentwe probably have a bit more targeted for essex-2 than we can manage.  I'll probably be pinging a few people to make sure we nail down some blueprints or bump them to e-322:10
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danwentcarlp: ok, could you perhaps create a starter script that fetches nova, glance, novaclient, and quantum?  then I will just insert some simple tests?  I will send an email to the list with more ideas22:11
danwentis there any other work folks were planning on targeting for e-2 that is not currently targetted for the milestone?22:12
carlpdanwent: devstack work for you?22:12
edgarmaganadan: can we still add a bluprint for e-2?22:13
danwentcarlp: sounds like a good place to start22:13
carlpI've been playing with it here at the office, and devstack already does all that22:13
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danwentcarlp: so have we.  would you be doing a clean install on "bare-metal"?  that's the only mode I've used so far, but it works well for me.22:13
carlpdanwent: Yep, that's how I would be using it.  Clean install on bare metal.22:14
danwentedgarmagana: you can stil target items for e-2, anytime in the next week should be fine, but after that we'll want to start locking things down22:14
danwentcarlp: sounds good.22:14
edgarmagana#dan: I am working on a network services insertion (wrapper) and I was wondering if we can added on e-2 or e-3?22:15
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danwentedgarmagana: i'd send out a BP so we can gauge the complexity + review work required.22:15
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edgarmaganada: sounds good.. will do that22:16
danwentand potential interactions with other e-2 changes.  if there aren't any problems on that front and you can get it done well in advance of the date, it should be fine for e-222:16
danwentLast comment on quantum.22:16
danwent#info some reviews are piling up: https://review.openstack.org/#q,status:open+project:openstack/quantum,n,z22:16
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danwentwhile you're eating turkey (or whatever) over the weekend, please take a look at a few, so we don't have a big backlog when the larger e-2 features hit22:17
danwentother than that, any other questions/comments on quantum?22:17
danwent#topic open discussion22:17
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bhalldanwent: another good opportunity for reviews would be during commercials if you're watching football22:17
danwentenroute to our fastest netstack meeting ever, any open discussion22:18
danwentbhall: yes, as long as they are short reviews… otherwise keeping the contex in your head between commercials may be hard :)22:18
bhallcommercials seem to be pretty long these days though22:18
danwentgood thing salv wasn't here, otherwise we'd have to clarify that we meant "american football"22:18
danwentok, thanks folks!22:19
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cdubhmm, looks like netsplit at just the wrong time22:23
danwentcdub: need something?22:25
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cdubdanwent: was wondering if there's a description of the new scr tree layout changes (more than "for packaging")22:26
cdubsrc tree even22:26
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danwentcdub:  I think we're going to try and improve on the src tree layout in essex-2.  the original changes for packaging made the layout pretty cumbersome.22:27
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cdubyes it did22:27
danwentbhall is going to work on improving it.22:27
cdubthank you!22:27
danwentis there a particular concern that you'd like to address.  or some work that you'd like to do?22:27
cdubwell, between actual packaging (for Fedora we won't use bdist) as well as just plain daily coding...it seems it could be flattened22:28
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cdubw/out reintroducing namespace/import issues (like we had w/ extensions being toplevel)22:29
cdubso, nothing concrete, just wondering if there's some more python-centric reasoning for the layout22:29
danwentno good one, as far as I can tell :)22:29
danwentwant to email bhall? he can provide more details and work with you to make sure things are happy with fedora22:30
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cdubsure, will do that22:31
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